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FB Update: WATCH: Swofford discusses future ACC tournament relocation


Posted: Mar 7, 2017, 8:25 AM
 

WATCH: Swofford discusses future ACC tournament relocation

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It is wrong for an athletic conference to pick a side

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Posted: Mar 7, 2017, 8:38 AM
 

On a political issue, and assume it occupies the moral high ground, and punish an entire state over it.

I wish more people organized an attempt to leverage the ACC to stop unilaterally enforcing its own version of political morality on everyone. What gives them the right? Are we really powerless to stop them?

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Sports has been used as a pulpit forever.


Posted: Mar 7, 2017, 9:06 AM
 

Also, if there are two sides, by definition - both are using it as a chance to 'fight' something.

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Definitely not correct. You would never have seen this

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Posted: Mar 7, 2017, 6:11 PM
 

nonsense PC in the 50's, 60's, 70,s etc. People had more common sense which is not common anymore.

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If it is north carolina

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Posted: Mar 7, 2017, 9:07 AM
 

yes

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Re: It is wrong for an athletic conference to pick a side


Posted: Mar 7, 2017, 2:43 PM
 

Figure out who the sponsors are and determine if they agree that boys should be allowed to sit down and pee with the chicks of they want and you will see why they are doing what they are doing.

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ACC has every right to take a stand.

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Posted: Mar 7, 2017, 9:24 PM
 

As I've stated before, I'm not sure that boycotts such as this one are really effective (quite possibly they are counter-productive), but the ACC was certainly within its rights to use the allocation of tournaments & championship events as leverage against a law that most people in the academic community consider to be odious. Remember, HB2 didn't just regulate transgender bathroom use (which was a completely non-existent issue to begin with), it swept away all legal protections for gay & lesbian people & sanctioned discrimination against them statewide, thus undoing in one swoop what took decades of organizing, lobbying & activism to achieve.

In fact, this was the real purpose of HB2 all along; the bathroom provisions were just a pretext & a means of selling it to the public. The passage of HB2 was part of an organized push-back against the victories in gay civil rights achieved over the last few years. State legislators couldn't strike back against same-sex marriage, established as it was by the courts, so they struck at local anti-discrimination ordinances instead. Arkansas & Tennessee were the first 2 states to take this tack, followed by N.C. with HB2 & Mississippi shortly thereafter. If it hadn't been for the backlash against the N.C. law, copy-cat laws would've spread like a wildfire through the state legislatures by now. Texas legislators are currently debating a law much like HB2, & the votes are there to pass it, but the threats by the NFL, NBA & NCAA to keep championship events out of the state have caused many of them to reconsider. Maybe one doesn't believe gay people need or deserve any legal protections, or dismisses such protections as "political correctness", but that's not where college presidents & league offices are these days.

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Re: ACC has every right to take a stand.


Posted: Mar 8, 2017, 8:40 AM
 

Yours is a very good, reasoned post. At its core is the idea that unelected, non-judicially reviewable athletic conference officers have the right...the duty...to oppose the decisions of duly elected, and judicially reviewable state officers. I hope that is not where we are and if that is where we are, I hope we will move. Otherwise it is easy for the oppressed to become the oppressors...and at the least become sore winners. I don't believe our country is better off, if we choose to go with the unelected and unreviewable, no matter the subject. That may be too much to ask of public opinion, vice public elections.

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Re: ACC has every right to take a stand.


Posted: Mar 9, 2017, 12:53 AM
 

Well, it was a "duly elected" president who in 1837 defied the Supreme Court & ordered the military to dispossess the Cherokee & send them on a thousand-mile forced march in which many thousands died. (In fact, the land on which our beloved school was constructed was taken from the Cherokee during the French & Indian War, to become the plantations of Andrew Pickens & John Calhoun.) As it turned out, some Cherokee chose to resist in 1837 & fled deeper into the mountains; their descendants form the Eastern Band of the Cherokee Nation. A few decades later it was "duly elected" officials, backed by mob violence & KKK terror, who imposed Jim Crow segregation on black people & stripped them of their civil rights, which was "judicially reviewed" & judged to be constitutional. Should that have been the end of things? Should black people have just meekly accepted their fate? Back then, they didn't have any political allies, & the voters had tired of protecting them from violence & ensuring their civil rights. Black people were considered to be biologically inferior (this was the scientific consensus of the times!) who thus were not deserving of equal treatment & equal rights. Indigenous people were nothing but "savages" who had no rights of citizenship or sovereignty whatsoever. This was a time when "social darwinism" had much currency among the smart set.

For sure times have changed a lot since then; that goes especially in academia. But as Mark Twain is reputed to have said, "History doesn't repeat itself but it does rhyme". The election of 2016 sounds a lot like the election of 1876, right down to the loser of the popular vote being declared the winner by the electoral college. What's especially salient is that the outcomes of both - in spite of closely divided electorates - were a total victory for white supremacy & reactionary authoritarianism.

Throughout history it has often been the case that "duly elected" leaders have made terrible decisions & enacted malign policies that harmed, even killed, millions of people or outright stripped them of their rights - in our country as well as others. History is replete with "duly elected" leaders who once in office consolidated their power & imposed autocratic, authoritarian rule on their countries. The question for those of us who stand to be stripped of our rights now is whether we meekly accept our fate, or rather organize, enlist our allies & fight back. There's nothing illegitimate or inappropriate about choosing the latter option. Politics isn't just about elections. Some people may call it blackmail, but to me it's simply leverage. I'm really sorry that it's come to this. But when it comes to leverage one must either use it or lose it.

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Re: ACC has every right to take a stand.


Posted: Mar 10, 2017, 12:54 PM
 

"Have we reached the ultimate stage of absurdity where some people are held responsible for things that happened before they were born, while other people are not held responsible for what they themselves are doing today?"
— Thomas Sowell

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I believe athletic conferences should not put themselves

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Posted: Mar 8, 2017, 9:12 AM
 

in the position of moral police. It's like an oligarchy.

They are in a position to dictate morality that effects millions of people, without having to consider the wishes of more than about two dozen of them.

Elitism is fine if it's someone's world view... but it should never be a practical, rule-setting mechanism.

The ACC is hijacking something important to a diverse group of people; and they are doing so without proper consent. They are shielded from natural consequences of their actions.

Athletic conferences are supposed to be merely a mechanism of organization that looks out for the well-being of its member institutions. Punishing entire states for laws that its leaders disagree with is wrong.

Actions like this make meaningful debate even more difficult. One side has dismissed the other as "factually wrong" for decades, and now the other side has abandoned facts altogether.

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Re: FB Update: WATCH: Swofford discusses future ACC tournament relocation

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Posted: Mar 7, 2017, 8:50 AM
 

Baseball: Myrtle Beach SC. ACC Tournament was scheduled there several years ago and you moved it to Greensboro if I'm not mistaken. Football can be rotated at any non participating School not in Championship Game except NC Schools and NOT IN ORLANDO. Men and Womens Basketball could be played at North Charleston Coliseum or at Atlanta or BiLo Center. But none of this can be done waiting til the last minute.

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Re: FB Update: WATCH: Swofford discusses future ACC tournament relocation

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Posted: Mar 7, 2017, 10:03 AM
 

Two comments:
1. In the video description: "...current discriminatory legislation"? Shouldn't discriminatory be in quotes? Or changed to something like "which the NCAA and the ACC leadership have determined is discriminatory?"?
2. Rationale: Unlike Swofford and others in the academic ruling class, I do not advocate for one side or the other here. I object to their circumventing of our process. We have legislation, court cases, elections and just yesterday a Supreme Court ruling on the subject. That is how we decide public policy. By acting before the democratic processes of our Republic have run their prescribed course, Swofford and his selfish, "we are smarter than anybody else and know what's best for you" ruling elites appear to be outside the mainstream of our process, yet again.
3. Washington, DC may not be the only swamp which needs a good drain!

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Enough with the self-righteous posing.


Posted: Mar 7, 2017, 9:42 PM
 

You are indeed advocating for one side. Your language practically drips with contempt for the other side. Now, you certainly have the right to speak your opinion, but the NCAA & ACC likewise have the right to use what leverage they have to take a stand against discriminatory, mean-spirited & reactionary laws. Like it or not, gay people nowadays do have some allies in their fight for equal rights & dignity.

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Re: Enough with the self-righteous posing.


Posted: Mar 8, 2017, 7:08 AM
 

I do have a side. But I did not take it in this post. As I wish Swofford would do, I am eagerly awaiting the outcome of the PROCESS of deciding what is best for public policy, especially at a state, government school? S historically has a long list of outrageous and uneven decisions. Any thought that my post goes to that or that I too wish he would not force his world view on the rest of us and just stay out of it? Otherwise, you might in the future want to read a post for comprehension, vice posting a knee-jerk, divisive, intolerant, judgmental screed.

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Re: FB Update: WATCH: Swofford discusses future ACC tournament relocation

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Posted: Mar 7, 2017, 10:33 AM
 

This is just ludicrous.... Stay out of politics and let's play ball!

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Posted: Mar 7, 2017, 10:37 AM
 

Agree^^^

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Translation: It won't be an issue until 2019 because


Posted: Mar 7, 2017, 3:01 PM
 

Basketball Tourney is playing another year in Brooklyn

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My takeaway is that Greenville is on the table


Posted: Mar 7, 2017, 3:46 PM
 

Because the Well is available and houses neither an NBA nor an NHL franchise.

IF it comes to that. Use the SECW Tourney and regionals this year as a measuring stick for the future. Great opportunities for Greenville to step up and become a huge host city for more than just the SECW Tourney.

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What I'm having a hard time comprehending

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Posted: Mar 7, 2017, 5:43 PM
 

Is if the ACC Conf has such an issue with the state of NC, why do they allow one of their teams to participate in a bowl game in Charlotte (Belk Bowl)

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Simple...It is a lot easier to #### over the fans as


Posted: Mar 7, 2017, 5:55 PM
 

opposed to their corporate partners

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When is ACC going to move headquarters out of NC?

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Posted: Mar 7, 2017, 5:45 PM
 

And ask Tar Holes, Dook, State, and Wake to relocate? I hate PC. This bathroom issue is one of the dumbest issues ever created. Use the equipment God gave you.

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Interesting that the ACC Championship for wrestling was just

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Posted: Mar 7, 2017, 11:36 PM
 

Interesting that the ACC Championship for wrestling was just held in Raleigh last week.

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