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You see there's that 1 little clause that makes this moot:
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Posted: Jan 22, 2021, 11:31 AM
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"shall be removed from office"
He's not in office.
Suck it Nancy.
Article II, Section 4:
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.
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The senate can vote to do whatever they want to do
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Posted: Jan 22, 2021, 1:08 PM
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no matter how obvious it is against the law. The supreme court has no say in the matter either.
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Orange Blooded [3937]
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Comments in the news today state that McConnell wants
Posted: Jan 22, 2021, 1:38 PM
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Trump out of the picture. Dozens of Republican House and Senate members want him gone as well. Conviction which would prevent him from ever running again for President, or any other federal position.
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You sure about that? I would think the Chief Justice....
Posted: Jan 22, 2021, 2:50 PM
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has a say and could say that the trial was un-Constitutional and not convene it.
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Re: You sure about that? I would think the Chief Justice....
Posted: Jan 22, 2021, 2:55 PM
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It will be interesting to see since he presides if that objection is raised immediately. I’m not sure Neal isn’t right though. It’s a political process. If Trump was convicted and decided to later run for office again, he might be able to then take it to federal courts.
That might be risky though to pose a question like that and lose. To me in regular courts, when people motion for dismissals and summary judgments and lose, it’s like getting a black eye from the judge and somewhat validates the case. I realize this is different, but Bowers may want to just let that be part of his total argument with the Republican votes he needs to keep in his corner. Not to mention...any Trump attorney would be foolish to put their fate in John Roberts’ hands.
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Sure. Would be disappointed in them if they didn't.***
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Posted: Jan 22, 2021, 11:31 AM
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not really
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Posted: Jan 22, 2021, 11:43 AM
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it is just political theater
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Unity!***
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Posted: Jan 22, 2021, 11:45 AM
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Re: Unity!***
Posted: Jan 23, 2021, 4:43 AM
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What does unity have to do with it, Einstein?
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Orange Blooded [3946]
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Re: Everyone excited for Trump's trial next week?
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Posted: Jan 22, 2021, 11:45 AM
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"We've got to impeach it to find out what's in it."
God that woman is detestable.
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Serenity Now!***
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Posted: Jan 22, 2021, 11:46 AM
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Bitter partisan revenge politics; first step toward unity.***
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Posted: Jan 22, 2021, 12:17 PM
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Re: Bitter partisan revenge politics; first step toward unity.***
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Posted: Jan 22, 2021, 12:23 PM
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Yep the man is out of office. This is giving the middle finger to conservatives. Then they will call for their unity. I swear it’s obvious they are trying to divide us.
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McConnell wants Trump out of the picture. As others have
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Posted: Jan 22, 2021, 1:48 PM
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said, Trump has hurt the Republican Party in many ways. Anybody who thinks Trump did not lead the riot on the Capital on January 6th is just whistling past the graveyard.
As for division, Trump is the most divisive President I have seen in my 62 years on this earth.
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It’s giving the middle finger to Trump supporters, not true
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Posted: Jan 22, 2021, 2:24 PM
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conservatives. I’m against it, but still, let’s be clear that there are two very different groups of the Republican Party.
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Re: Bitter partisan revenge politics; first step toward unity.***
Posted: Jan 23, 2021, 12:36 AM
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They've already made the man a legend for some people. What are they going for here?
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Revenge for what? Inciting the Capitol coup attempt?
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Posted: Jan 22, 2021, 3:42 PM
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A better term for that would be "Justice."
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So far it looks like mostly nos.***
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Posted: Jan 22, 2021, 12:20 PM
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Re: The Federalist Society and over 150 Legal Scholars say do it
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Posted: Jan 22, 2021, 12:24 PM
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Next tell us what the Lincoln Project and Bill Kristol think.
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Legend [16912]
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150 Constitutional Legal Scholars vs. Many Republicans who
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Posted: Jan 22, 2021, 12:54 PM
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realize what a giant shitstain Trump is on the Republican Party?
You can't see the difference?
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Re: Everyone excited for Trump's trial next week?
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Posted: Jan 22, 2021, 12:48 PM
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Since they're going through with it - is there any chance
Posted: Jan 22, 2021, 12:53 PM
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they get 17 Republicans to vote to convict?
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If they can find 17 with 6 years before they run again...
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Posted: Jan 22, 2021, 12:57 PM
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and from center right constituencies, maybe...
I think the Republicans all want to make sure he doesn't run in 2024 but find a way to do it without driving his base away from the party.
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Impeaching him will definitely lose that base. Trump would
Posted: Jan 22, 2021, 1:02 PM
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lose in a primary if the Republicans narrow the field down to 2 (Trump and whoever) early in the process.
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Maybe...
Posted: Jan 22, 2021, 1:07 PM
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but if Cruz and Hawley and some others get to grandstand about it and vote no, but it still happens, then maybe they succeed in getting his base back to one of them.
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Re: Since they're going through with it - is there any chance
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Posted: Jan 22, 2021, 1:00 PM
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Highly unlikely unless new evidence comes out. I think there might have been right after it happened and emotions were high. However, since then it’s been reported that the FBI knew this might happen and there’s video showing people starting the incursion at least 20 mins before Trump even finished his speech. It’s a pretty high bar to actually pin the criminal activity itself on Trump.
Those things combined with the doubts about the constitutionality of it and the fact that some Dem leaders have done the same or worse makes me think no chance.
You may get Murkowski, Collins, and Mittens. People like Lindsey Graham who was initially pretty mad about it has since spoken out strongly against impeachment. I think most will be like him.
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Who knows if true, but...
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Posted: Jan 22, 2021, 1:06 PM
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there are rumblings in stories about groups of R's quietly trying to figure out who would be safe to vote for it. Some who won't vote for it will actually gain the most from it if it happens, like Cruz and Hawley. If they can grandstand against it and make a show of it, but still have it happen, then they both look like potential 2024 candidates.
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You would think that they might listen to the evidence
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Posted: Jan 22, 2021, 1:11 PM
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presented in the trial before making a decision, but I guess that is no longer how our legal system works.
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I don't think that's how this is going to work...
Posted: Jan 22, 2021, 1:14 PM
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but I also think the evidence is pretty well known.
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The evidence is on twitter and video with more coming every
Posted: Jan 22, 2021, 1:19 PM
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day that only reinforces the fact that the president was the instigator. All of the terrorists' lawyers are spelling it out in no uncertain terms that their clients were acting at the behest of the president.
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you can opine all you want, but
Posted: Jan 22, 2021, 1:39 PM
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Re: The evidence is on twitter and video with more coming every
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Posted: Jan 22, 2021, 1:45 PM
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I you can call Trump the instigator of the riot, guess you'd have to call Obama the instigator of all those murders of police.
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Your disagreement is with the terrorists who said Trump
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Posted: Jan 22, 2021, 1:55 PM
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made them do it.
FYI. It was Trump supporters who killed a policeman on January 6th.
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Australia!***
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Posted: Jan 22, 2021, 2:21 PM
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A good lawyer will say Q may have told them - but Trump
Posted: Jan 22, 2021, 5:58 PM
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himself didn't. They can't say Trump caused the riot with his speech because these guys showed up already planning to do it...
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They will be looking at Trump's words prior to January 6th
Posted: Jan 22, 2021, 6:26 PM
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as well. It's all on video and twitter.
Then you have the intelligence briefings the White House received leading up to January 6th that informed the president, in no uncertain terms, of the effects his words were having on the people planning to attend and terrorize the Capitol. He was getting daily, and even hourly feedback on social media, of how his words were being perceived.
They're also following the money.
The evidence will only get worse for Trump.
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He isn't on a criminal trial.***
Posted: Jan 22, 2021, 2:06 PM
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So no trail needed at all. Just vote based on twitter
Posted: Jan 23, 2021, 8:01 AM
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and other media reports.
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Yes. Smart Republicans will use this opportunity to remove
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Posted: Jan 22, 2021, 1:07 PM
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the giant shitstain and his hold over their party with the help of Democrats.
If they don't Trump will continue to hold sway and divide the party into two easily defeated camps.
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If Mitch says to convict, they'll convict.
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Posted: Jan 22, 2021, 1:08 PM
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He'll make a calculated decision on it based on future elections. Whichever direction he goes, that's the way he thinks will be the smart move to get GOP control back to the Senate.
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Agreed, it's basically up to him.***
Posted: Jan 22, 2021, 1:17 PM
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"Mitch said to me he wants Trump gone," one Republican
Posted: Jan 22, 2021, 1:33 PM
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member of Congress told CNN. "It is in his political interest to have him gone. It is in the GOP interest to have him gone. The question is, do we get there?"
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/22/politics/mcconnell-trump-impeachment-conviction-republicans/index.html McConnell privately says he wants Trump gone as Republicans quietly lobby him to convict As the House prepares to send articles of impeachment to the Senate on Monday, CNN has learned that dozens of influential Republicans around Washington -- including former top Trump administration officials -- have been quietly lobbying GOP members of Congress to impeach and convict Donald Trump. The effort is not coordinated but reflects a wider battle inside the GOP between those loyal to Trump and those who want to sever ties and ensure he can never run for President again. McConnell privately says he wants Trump gone as Republicans quietly lobby him to convict As the House prepares to send articles of impeachment to the Senate on Monday, CNN has learned that dozens of influential Republicans around Washington -- including former top Trump administration officials -- have been quietly lobbying GOP members of Congress to impeach and convict Donald Trump. The effort is not coordinated but reflects a wider battle inside the GOP between those loyal to Trump and those who want to sever ties and ensure he can never run for President again.
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Re: If Mitch says to convict, they'll convict.
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Posted: Jan 22, 2021, 2:09 PM
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I think the smartest play would be to loudly condemn Trump's actions, but for GOP Senators to vote Not Guilty or abstain.Impeachment is a political process for removal of an individual. The voters have already performed this task. Trump will not be elected again. Of the 34 Senators up for reelection in 2022, 20 are GOP and only 14 Dems.
Each GOP Senator has to assess what a guilty vote would mean. For many if not all, it would mean facing a primary challenger and even if the Senator were to prevail in the primary, the Senator would be weakened and many GOP Trump backers would stay home in the general election.
It's easy for McConnell to suddenly grow a set since he won't have to face the voters for 6 more years when he will be 84 yrs old. Other Senators are not in his position.
If Trump were still in the situation of holding office for a month or more, then impeachment and removal would make more sense for the good of the country in my opinion as one who voted for him. However, since he is out of office, I don't see the upside for the GOP playing along with this.
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Re: Everyone excited for Trump's trial next week?
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Posted: Jan 22, 2021, 11:42 PM
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Yep. Absolutely. What could be better than watching a bunch of unhinged, vulgar, hateful unpatriotic a$$es make fools of themselves and embarrass the congress. I would kill for a front row seat!
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Re: Everyone excited for Trump's trial next week?
Posted: Jan 23, 2021, 12:28 AM
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Thank you for not using the term Liberal
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For everyone saying it will prevent him
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Posted: Jan 23, 2021, 4:29 AM
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From being able to hold the office again, he won’t even sniff it
Remember the Tea Party?
I would hope that in 4 years his supporters will have chilled out and won’t be his “supporters” anymore
Assuming Biden and Co don’t take their guns and money, they will be back to normal
The GOP should realize he will be forgotten very soon
Maybe I’ll be wrong, but I don’t see him coming close to running and not even as a republican.
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