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Orange Blooded [4020]
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What's this boards opinion on a self pardon
Jan 11, 2021, 3:37 PM
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by a sitting POTUS? Would you be OK with someone being above the law, at least as it pertains to federal cases?
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I am okay with somebody being above the law, as long
Jan 11, 2021, 3:39 PM
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as that person is me.
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Birmingham riding through Birmingham
Jan 11, 2021, 3:42 PM
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Orange Blooded [4020]
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Re: Birmingham riding through Birmingham
Jan 11, 2021, 5:33 PM
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Do you have an answer to the question in the OP or are you simply triggered by an uncomfortable question?
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All-In [34112]
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My opinion is 1000% Trump does it.***
Jan 11, 2021, 3:44 PM
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All-In [42195]
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Not a good idea at all.
Jan 11, 2021, 3:45 PM
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If a president can pardon himself for any crime, you can imagine the door that opens.
I think we're learning the dangers of that with this presidency. I'm not sure where we got the idea over time that the president is above the law, but it's time to pull that back.
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Oculus Spirit [97730]
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I almost always pardon my self, most of the time
Jan 11, 2021, 3:46 PM
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When I fart or burp
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Re: I almost always pardon my self, most of the time
Jan 11, 2021, 4:06 PM
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The only thing you’ve ever posted worth a ###
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All-In [34486]
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Your turn now?***
Jan 11, 2021, 4:07 PM
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Oculus Spirit [93673]
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I don't see that happening.
Jan 11, 2021, 3:51 PM
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If anything he would step down just before Joe took the oath and Mikie would pardon him. IMO, the 'selfpardon,' subject is leftist hyperbole showing a serious lack of understanding the actual.
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Oculus Spirit [81073]
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If he was half the man some seem to think, he would resign
Jan 11, 2021, 3:56 PM
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immediately.
He is poisoning the GOP.
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Oculus Spirit [93673]
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I think you are dead wrong on this.
Jan 11, 2021, 4:05 PM
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Everyone in GOP leadership who continues to support Trump is doing so because he remains the object of affection to the GOP base. The GOP base is behind this. The sooner you recognize that Trump is the fruit of the GOP movement and not the root you will be able to define and focus on your problem.
Or as granny said, 'Mowing the lawn is no way to get rid of the dandelions.'
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Oculus Spirit [81073]
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He won't be elected a 2nd time.
Jan 11, 2021, 4:11 PM
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All he may do is draw votes away from another, possibly really a conservative candidate.
It will be hard enough for Nikki Haley and Tom Cotton to wash the Trump stink off of them if he is gone. If he stays around, you can promise yourself a Kamala Harris/worse than her ticket in 2024.
But hey..it's all about Trump, amiright?
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Legend [16259]
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You certainly nailed that about GOP pols.
Jan 11, 2021, 4:51 PM
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They have been living in fear of Trump and the passions he can arouse in his base since he won the nomination. This fear has led to an abandonment of conservative principles, of spines, of the respect for law and order, the constitution, and reasoned debate. It has been a most sad spectacle to behold.
Trump is not the fruit of the GOP movement, he is the fruit of Idiocracy, which found itself a home in the GOP's ranks thanks to its heavy supply of reactionaries, its powerful and predictable talking head media pundits, its ownership by oligarchical powers, and the heavy emphasis on always being a victim of something with others to blame for your woes.
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Orange Blooded [4745]
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Again, Trump will wind up in jail, and nobody will
Jan 11, 2021, 10:24 PM
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care about him anymore. Her will not escape the attack on the Capitol.
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Orange Blooded [4365]
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Re: I don't see that happening.
Jan 11, 2021, 4:37 PM
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I don't disagree but Trump seems unbound by precedent - and reality. So if he tries it, I will not be surprised.
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Re: What's this boards opinion on a self pardon
Jan 11, 2021, 4:05 PM
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I don't think it holds up. I know William Barr and a bunch of other lawyers in Trump's orbit told him not to do it because they think our now-highly-originalist/textualist Supreme Court would break it.
I think he'll ignore them and try anyhow...and get rocked like he always seem to in an actual courtroom. The kind of nonsense he tries works on dumb people and politicians who need the votes of those dumb people and thus repeat his transparent lies so as to get those votes; it does not work in an actual courtroom where law, order, process, and actual evidence are required.
The precedent Barr thinks will be upheld dates back to 1974 during the Nixon fiasco, when a Justice Department legal memo concluded the president could not self-pardon.
It's CNN, so definitely Anti-Trump, but this is their take:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/11/politics/white-house-counsel-cipollone-barr-warned-trump-not-to-self-pardon/index.html
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Oculus Spirit [93673]
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Do you really want to turn America into...
Jan 11, 2021, 4:09 PM
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a third world country by locking up an Ex POTUS? I tried to tell the GOP base that imprisoning Hillary would be a tragedy and ###### if the left isn't calling for the same idiocy.
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Oculus Spirit [81073]
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I don't recall Hillary ever sending a mob to take out the
Jan 11, 2021, 4:12 PM
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legislative branch.
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CU Medallion [56091]
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He's got nothing to lose, though, right?
Jan 11, 2021, 4:15 PM
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My money's on he tries it just like he tried to overturn the election results. Just because it's a doomed effort doesn't mean he won't try it.
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Pre-pardon is pre-thought for pre-crime... Orwellian, eh...?
Jan 11, 2021, 5:32 PM
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I still want to see the REAL Epstein dossier... Give it up, FBI !!!
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