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White House Faith Office.
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Feb 8, 2025, 9:16 PM
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Trump just established it. Two questions.
1. Is it a good idea or a bad idea?
2. Is Paula White a good choice for being the head of it?
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Re: White House Faith Office.
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Feb 8, 2025, 9:23 PM
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1. It’s a horrible idea.
2. Made worse by her.
Wanna stop anti-Christian sentiment? Don’t do stupid shid like this.
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Re: White House Faith Office.
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Feb 8, 2025, 9:26 PM
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1. Seems like a waste of money possibly.
2. She speaks in tongues at times and seems crazy, so not a good choice..
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Re: White House Faith Office.
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Feb 9, 2025, 6:53 AM
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1 Cor. 14
"Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues."
I prayed for the gift of tongues once and God said, 'No, it's not for you.' Had He said 'The gift was taken away when it was no longer needed,' I would agree, therefore I don't know what I don't know but I'm not condemning the practice, that's above my paygrade.
I do agree that politics and faith are incompatible for we are commanded not to put our 'trust in princes.' I believe that trust should be in the Blood of Christ and the Lovingkindness, mercy, grace, faithfulness and patience of God our only Holy Father.
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Re: White House Faith Office.
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Feb 9, 2025, 1:39 PM
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Speaking in tongues is just nuts. She is a charlatan.
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Re: White House Faith Office.
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Feb 10, 2025, 6:06 AM
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Mark 9:
"38 And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.
39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.
40 For he that is not against us is on our part."
1 John 4:
"2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:"
I cherish other's opinions but not above God's Holy Word.
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It's a truly horrible idea
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Feb 8, 2025, 9:36 PM
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It does a disservice to the government, and even moreover sullies Christianity by conflating it with a political movement.
As for your second question, I can only answer it from the point of view of my theology. She and I certainly have vastly different outlooks on Faith. But oddly, yes, I think she's a great fit for the current "use-religion-as-a-grift" political reality.
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Nothin suits my taste buds like a good dose of politics early on the Lord's Day.
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Feb 9, 2025, 6:25 AM
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1. That's according to perspective.
a. From my perspective it appears to be pandering but since Trump won with historical numbers and I really don't care or keep up I can't imagine what he's getting out of it. Never-the-less, it's the time in life when men of Trump and my age are giving serious thought about the life after this one.
I knew a man who was always a good man, Frank was honest, hardworking and faithful to his wife but he was as lost as a blind goose in a snowstorm. Frank was also one of the two best carpenters on the planet and his younger brother was the other, together those two built the finest of home. Their framing looked like trim. In the decades I worked around them I found two errors in their framing, one was a 70' house which was exactly 1/8" out of square. The other was a wall in a huge two story which was 3/32" out of square.
I witnessed to God's love with them every workday and fished with them on Saturday sometimes and attended church with them on certain occasions. Jerald, Frank's brother got save in a 12' jonboat while fishing in Williamston's Watershed but Frank held out for years. Many times I saw the conviction on his face and many times my heart wept for him for I loved him as a brother.
My only comfort and confidence was that Jesus heard my prayer and his wife was one of those precious women of God on whose face God's glory shone. I knew Julie would chip away at his hard heart and the hounds of Heaven would be howling at his heels until he surrendered. Some few years ago Gerald told me Frankie got saved.
I see that Glory of God in Melania's face. Perhaps Don has gotten saved. Perhaps Don thinks he's doing God's service setting up a faith office. I don't care, I don't want the government involved in the Church.
2. Since I don't follow politics I have no idea who Paula White and and absolutely no time or patience to waste finding out.
Here you are, mixing church and state.
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Re: White House Faith Office.
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Feb 9, 2025, 8:13 AM
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1. No, I wouldn't do it. But it will serve a political purpose for Trump.
2. For Trump, she's probably a great choice. She's a grifter, just like Trump, and she's part of the cult. Back in 2020, she said "demonic confederacies" were trying to steal the election, which is exactly the way you would expect a person in the cult to think. I can't imagine him picking anyone else.
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Re: White House Faith Office.
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Feb 9, 2025, 1:14 PM
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Loved the previous thread. This one, imo, is political, as the two questions are about political decisions, leading to some answers that are strongly political. Maybe default to that board if politics involved.
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You have a good point.
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Feb 9, 2025, 1:19 PM
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It is a crossover topic. The office is religious in nature and Trump specifically said it was for the expressed purpose of topping discriminating against Christians, not all people of faith.
I'm really more interested in learning the opinions of Christians who support Trump. But, I don't know how to limit my search to just that audience on a message board.
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Re: You have a good point.
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Feb 9, 2025, 1:40 PM
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Understood. Your intention is fine, no worries. I would say that your last paragraph, because it is on a message board, is political. I know you dont intend that, but it is.
For one thing, the question has to parse out 'support Trump', which is not nearly equal to 'voted for Trump'. If the question doesnt do it, the answer has to, which itself will generate responses, and sh**show. And that is a political discussion.
Edit: Note the upvote you received to your immediately above response. Note his two responses in this thread: he wants this thread to be about that. Those opinions are fine, and I have no desire to disagree with him, but is that what you are trying to produce? If no, I would say you are seeing the problem in trying to cross the two. If yes, which I doubt, we would ask you to stop. I would say to default to the political board.
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Re: White House Faith Office.
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Feb 9, 2025, 4:50 PM
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I'll file this under 'Philosophy of Government" to keep it board appropriate  ">">">">">">
I'd say at a minimum it's not very good optics, and I'm not sure of the point of it at all since Congress and SCOTUS do most of what it's tasked with anyhow, though laws. In that sense, is it something one wants the Executive to have a hand in, and why?
I took the time to read through the order, it's posted below, and it seems fairly neutral, though it does call out anti-Semitic and anti-Christian bias specifically, and then everyone else. Aside from that it just seems odd as an Executive issue. Here's a couple of things that caught my attention:
SEC 4 (IX) (ix) ...coordinate with agencies on identifying and promoting grant opportunities for non-profit faith-based entities...
Well, grants=money. So, if the government is providing for, say, affordable housing, will religious groups now have more support in asking for that money than non-religious groups? Not a better chance to get the money, theoretically, but more help in asking for it in effective ways.
It may be a minor point, but a lot of the language here seems to be "this is to facilitate religious groups getting what they want." The ideas are fine...supporting orphans, helping the needy, etc. But are those functions more in need of assistance when coming from a church rather than a secular group?
SEC 4 (xi) ...identify and propose means to reduce burdens on the free exercise of religion...
Again, isn't this Congress and SCOTUS? And does America want the President to be a watchdog for religion, or anything else?
On a historical note, the religious diversity in America when the Constitution was written wasn't Eastern or Middle-Eastern religions vs. Christianity. It wasn't Muslim vs. Hindu vs. Christianity.
It was Catholic vs. Protestant, or Amish vs. Baptist. Or Lutheran vs.(eventually) Mormon.
So the religious freedom front and center in the Founding Fathers minds was, "We just separated ourselves from 200 years of Catholics killing Protestants in Europe. Let's not start that all over again here in America."
Maybe it's best to just leave each his own and keep government out of religion all together, regardless of even the best of intentions. Everyone can't agree on religion, but most everyone can agree on freedom.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/establishment-of-the-white-house-faith-office/
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Re: White House Faith Office.
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Feb 10, 2025, 4:50 PM
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"in their efforts to strengthen American families, promote work and self-sufficiency, and protect religious liberty, it is hereby ordered:"
All that sounds great, but it's really not what christianity is supposed to be about...if you are actually going by the New Testament anyway.
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If not for Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptist,
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Feb 11, 2025, 6:33 AM
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I'd fully agree. It reads to me like an assurance that the government will not manage the church. I think if everyone is going to vote their convictions then church influencing government is build into the system. Of the people by the people and for the people.
I think that includes Christians along with every other type of deity worshipers. Considering the term which we all love to use, 'democracy,' that establishes a form of government which demands religion influencing government.
I know this is distasteful to many here and I hate that it's in the R&P section but truth is truth and this all seems obvious to the reasonable.
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Re: White House Faith Office.
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Feb 9, 2025, 7:14 PM
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I am no Paula White fan.
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Paula White...
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Feb 9, 2025, 7:55 PM
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... I would think that conservative Christians (some would say, "Trump's base") would have serious concerns about this selection.
I haven't seen a response from Franklin Graham or others.
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