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Orange Elite [5382]
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What about the way Mannings dad controlled the draft of his son?
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Apr 27, 2025, 6:39 PM
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His son didn’t pay the price like Sanders did for his father Deion…. One was seen as supportive and close and the other a nemesis and proud!! In fact Archie was more outspoken against the chargers that his son would NOT be wasted there. Deion did no such thing… seems interesting to me. It’s not about race- just a huge contrast worth discussing why it was viewed differently by some.
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Re: What about the way Mannings dad controlled the draft of his son?
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Apr 27, 2025, 6:41 PM
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Different situation. One was a hands down top pick. The other,not so much
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no, no.. this can not be.. it can't be a talent issue. IT must
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Apr 28, 2025, 9:11 AM
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be injustice.
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Oculus Spirit [40304]
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If S A Smith Says It's Racially Motivated Then It Must Be
Apr 28, 2025, 12:55 PM
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Just scream your gripes loud and continually blame others.
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Heisman Winner [78794]
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Re: What about the way Mannings dad controlled the draft of his son?
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Apr 27, 2025, 6:43 PM
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What does skin color have to do with it? He played his cards to predict an early 1st round pick and was wrong. End of story.
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Re: What about the way Mannings dad controlled the draft of his son?
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Apr 27, 2025, 6:49 PM
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Sanders is a 5th round pick. Not even close to the same situation. I think nobody wanted to have to deal with the brashness of Deion. I wouldn't.
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Game Day Hero [4417]
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Re: What about the way Mannings dad controlled the draft of his son?
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Apr 27, 2025, 7:43 PM
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Spot on Sir!
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Dynasty Maker [3178]
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I seriously dont have a dog in this fight but, I think we are comparing
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Apr 27, 2025, 7:43 PM
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apples to peaches. As great as the Mannings are, and all they have done, what the NFL allowed them to do with Eli’s draft was not right. Eli wouldn’t even put the San Diego hat on for his picture.
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Game Changer [1777]
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Allowed? Btw Elway took a similar stance coming out...
Apr 27, 2025, 8:02 PM
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neither are comparable to the Sanders situation-
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Orange Blooded [2516]
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Re: Allowed? Btw Elway took a similar stance coming out...
Apr 27, 2025, 11:40 PM
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And he was hated for it.
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Re: What about the way Mannings dad controlled the draft of his son?
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Apr 27, 2025, 7:50 PM
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Archie-Humble
Deion-Not Humble
Eli-Humble
Shedeur-Not Humble
Shedeur acted entitled his entire career. Treated people rudely and acted like nobody mattered but him.
Hopefully he grows up and becomes a great person and player.
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Orange Elite [5382]
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Whats more arrogant than telling a team my son is too good for you?
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Apr 27, 2025, 9:58 PM
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That is bold and arrogant!! Shouldn’t he have been grateful for his son and his son grateful for the chance to play in the NFL and work hard to make his team better? The humble thing doesn’t compute with me.
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There's a difference between humility and business HBROWN
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Apr 28, 2025, 4:00 PM
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When you are a top QB drafted by a bad team (unwilling to spend money), your career can be over. Ref: Archie Manning, Trevor Lawrence, Matthew Stafford before his trade to Rams, etc. It's a long list.
Archie knew the San Diego team was broke and could not afford to compete in the NFL -- similar to his New Orleans Saints' team in his playing days. Even with Fouts then Rivers, this held true.
Note: Archie had no objection to Peyton playing for the worst team in the NFL, the Indy Colts, as he believed the Irsay's would spend money.
s for Shadeur Sanders, driving Lamborghini's to practice and belittling of the Colorado ball boys during games put Shadeur on another level of entitlement ... we'll see if Shadeur produces like Peyton or Eli. Bottomline, can he even make an NFL team. Sanders throws the ball accurately but like a slow-motion floating shuttlecock. 35% of Shadeur's pass completions occurred at or behind the line of scrimmage.
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Re: What about the way Mannings dad controlled the draft of his son?
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Apr 27, 2025, 9:48 PM
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That sounds like a race bating. Not really worth discussing.
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Orange Elite [5382]
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Not race baiting wow!! Can we discuss this without thinking that?
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Apr 27, 2025, 9:53 PM
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I was trying to figure out another high profile situation where the parents role possibly weihhed heavily on who the player went to. Only one- happened to be QB family- the Mannings- who happened to be white. Got some good answers tho- best one being that this was a number one pick situation
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Re: Not race baiting wow!! Can we discuss this without thinking that?
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Apr 27, 2025, 11:55 PM
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Shedeur is a pos. He constantly disrespected other players, belittled and assaulted ball boys, shoved a ref in the back, talked down to nfl execs during the interview, made them feel like they were small, was arrogant and entitled during the interview process. If you watch the interview at the combine he was almost unintelligible. Read the reports from all over the sports world from the anonymous coaches, gms and executives about his terrible attitude and the way he talked down to them in interviews. He didn’t deserve a 5th round selection if you look at the videos of him on the internet, the way he talked to Cam Ward (#1 pick) he seems like an entitled spoiled rich kid who has never had to earn anything and always got his way. Had anyone of us acted that way in a job interview we’d be living out of our car until it got repoed.
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Re: What about the way Mannings dad controlled the draft of his son?
Apr 27, 2025, 10:00 PM
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We all know why people are upset this time and weren't then. Those of us who understand why those people are upset will admit it.
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Orange Elite [5382]
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Nick Saban said it was unfair expectations put on him by media forecast
Apr 27, 2025, 10:11 PM
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Loved his explanation!! Said that it was a big deal because the “industry” made it a forecast and then kept making it a story. Sanders did not necessarily as the Big 12 offensive player of the year forecast himself. McShay, ESPin all created a mess he thought
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Re: Nick Saban said it was unfair expectations put on him by media forecast
Apr 27, 2025, 11:23 PM
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Either way, Sanders worked himself out of the first few rounds with his interviews being terrible and his attitude.
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Re: What about the way Mannings dad controlled the draft of his son?
Apr 27, 2025, 10:02 PM
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Deion has already re-validated why this happened. “It will be dealt with” regarding the Browns drafting 2 QBs.
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Re: What about the way Mannings dad controlled the draft of his son?
Apr 27, 2025, 10:10 PM
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Well two things
1) Archie was drafted by the worst franchise in history at that time...he got killed and he didnt want that for his son...i cannot blame him for that
2) deon really never said his son wouldn't play here or there...he did make comments about cleveland as an organization but who can argue with that
3) there are 32 teams in the nfl...all want to win and will absolutely do anything to win...the dude went where he should have and was valued by the league!!! Its the most awesome thing in America...the open market...it never lies...its wrong later at times but its never wrong in the moment...
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Archie Manning >>> Deion Sanders***
Apr 27, 2025, 10:20 PM
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Re: What about the way Mannings dad controlled the draft of his son?
Apr 27, 2025, 10:28 PM
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Well, Deion was fired by his one son that signed with Tampa. He said his dad was blowing it. Also, the Mannings were a completely different level of talent. Apples and oranges.
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Apr 27, 2025, 10:32 PM
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Hash, this sentiment is all over social media
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Apr 27, 2025, 10:41 PM
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so don’t give me that bs, “it’s not about race, I’m just sayin….” Why is it so hard to imagine that the delta between Eli and Sanders is Grand Canyon level distance? I guess it doesn’t matter unless someone is trying to prove a point about systematic racism.
The kid just isn’t that good. Period. Yes, there are questions about his arrogant attitude, but again, he’s just not that good. Ask BYU. 144 will cost the club at some point. Sanders won’t play meaningful ball in Cleveland or on any NFL team because, again, he’s not that good.
Why do people want racial divide? Because someone told them they should.. Don’t be that guy.
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Re: Hash, this sentiment is all over social media
Apr 27, 2025, 11:09 PM
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Deion was his agent supposedly.
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Re: Yeah. He might not be that good. ESPN wanted a story
Apr 28, 2025, 12:02 AM
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There was a story and they didn't create it. It was legitimate. Sanders worked himself down in the draft due to issues outside of his football abilities.
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I'm confused. Has someone said that Sanders fell in the draft because of
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Apr 27, 2025, 10:57 PM
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something Deion did or was doing? I heard some things about the kids interviews being really bad, but I've seen nothing where anyone said that "dealing with Deion" was a factor in not drafting the kid earlier.
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Re: What about the way Mannings dad controlled the draft of his son?
Apr 27, 2025, 11:39 PM
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Didn’t Manning elimanate a couple of teams saying you don’t play there, whereas Sanders CHOSE several teams to play for, thus eliminating many teams that might have “ courted” him?
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Orange Blooded [2435]
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Re: What about the way Mannings dad controlled the draft of his son?
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Apr 28, 2025, 12:00 AM
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We know that sanders failed some of the NFL interviews he did.
Don’t know if the Mannings failed their interviews.
Sanders draft drop was not based on Deion being loudmouth, etc. It was due to Shedeur completely failing the interviews.
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Re: What about the way Mannings dad controlled the draft of his son?
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Apr 28, 2025, 4:14 AM
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If you can't see the difference then you never will.
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IN reading his draft profile, Sander's ceiling was as a game manager after some
Apr 28, 2025, 6:44 AM
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improvement. His lack of mobility out of the pocket and lack of quick release and strong arm coupled with too much confidence in his abilities led to forcing things that he just couldn't pull off. Also - he didn't like the exec giving him a hard time for not being prepared for a job interview that could have been worth tens of millions of dollars.
Teams would have probably been a lot more understanding if he was 6'-5" with great arm talent and a high football IQ.
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Re: IN reading his draft profile, Sander's ceiling was as a game manager after some
Apr 28, 2025, 7:37 AM
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Shadeur is considered somewhat mobile and he is known to have a high football IQ. His flaws are, holds on to the ball too long, decent arm but not strong, his father as his agent, and his attitude. Can he be coached by someone other than his Dad? Can he lead a locker room? Would his Dad cause problems with the press?
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Ultimate Tiger [33565]
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Deon did the same thing to Detroit when he was drafted. He was still taken
Apr 28, 2025, 9:13 AM
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by ATL because of talent
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Yep, I remember that. He said if Detriot had drafted him ...
Apr 28, 2025, 12:10 PM
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"I'd have asked for so much money they'd have to put me on lay-away."
And that comment, while hilarious, is not a good look for a young man looking to earn generational wealth.
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Re: What about the way Mannings dad controlled the draft of his son?
Apr 28, 2025, 12:24 PM
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To be fair, not bringing his personality into it, he got drafted where he should've been. I don't know how or where him being drafted in the first two rounds came from so suddenly. He stat padded like crazy against inferior competition. Sports World needed a story for this draft because let's be honest there was nothing headlining or fun about this draft and he became victim to it because why not Deion and Shedeur. This entire thing is a bunch of nothing that was stirred by the media and has turned into race baiting and meaningless comparisons (because Disney loves that for views for some sick reason).
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Re: What about the way Mannings dad controlled the draft of his son?
Apr 28, 2025, 12:47 PM
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I do not recall the manning’s calling them selfs legendary , wearing ridiculous looking chains like a middle school kid , Having the I’m it mentality and being over ranked .
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Re: What about the way Mannings dad controlled the draft of his son?
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Apr 28, 2025, 12:48 PM
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Typical race bait post by hbrown
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Re: What about the way Mannings dad controlled the draft of his son?
Apr 28, 2025, 4:08 PM
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I think it comes down to who made the ratings of Sanders and then the social media presence that was not present when the Mannings were drafted.
The media is the one that ranked Sanders...not the NFL teams doing the drafting. They wanted the story of Sander's son going high in the draft.
Then there is nothing more exciting to the media than riding the wave down on the person they built up.
It was the media the put Sanders at #2...the NFL obviously put him in as a 5th rounder. The Mannings on the other hand WERE rated very highly by NFL squads. That is the story.
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