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Orange Phenom [14517]
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Watching Mike Johnson on Meet the Press; is it too early to start drinking?
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Jun 1, 2025, 10:23 AM
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What an idiot MAGA puppet. The “Big Beautiful Bill” isn’t going to increase the deficit one penny yet in fact reduce the deficit? Do you MAGA idiots really believe that; even after every actual economic analysis group says it’s gonna be largest deficit increase in history. Mikey says, “but that doesn’t consider all of the growth we’re gonna create”. So this is the field of dreams economic plan; build it and they will come? Pass our bill and the economy will take off; trust us we’re never wrong. That’s not how financial modeling works Mikey, trust me I’ve done thousands of pro-formas and business cases, give me a call and I’ll give you a remedial class. I wish Kristen had asked him what the breakeven GDP growth needs to be in order for the bill to reduce the deficit; I bet it’s an astronomical number.
THIS IS NOT FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN VALUES! MAGA idiots, don’t call this a bill that is opposed by the radical left; it’s also opposed by real Republicans. This is a bill by RINO idiots who don’t know what they’re doing. Even your MAGA golden boy Elon is telling you that it’s terrible.
P.S. to be fair to MAGA, Raphael Warnock who followed Mikey isn’t any better
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Orange Immortal [65786]
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I have voted for every republican presidential candidate since Reagan,
Jun 1, 2025, 11:38 AM
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(until 2024, when I voted for neither) largely because of their more conservative approach to fiscal and economic matters. What we see from Trump does not fit that mold at all. But, as long as Trump constantly trashes Democrats and talks about making America great, he can do anything he wants, no matter how crazy or anti-conservative it is, and his worshippers will keep on a-worshipping.
We are literally in a place where a huge swath of voters have abandoned rational thought and objectivity and reduced anyone they disagree with or don't like to the worst possible general stereotype that makes them an easy to hate enemy. That just makes us suckers for the level of candidates we've had the last few go-arounds.
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Orange Elite [5459]
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No. You abandoned rational thought and Trump just took advantage of you
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Jun 1, 2025, 4:10 PM
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being fiscally irresponsible has always been the hallmark of the Republican Party. The leaders just lied over and over about being fiscally responsible and you guys believed it.
Then Trump just realized he could lie about anything and you guys would support him. You've been a sucker since Reagan. It's time to just own your entire belief structure has been a lie.
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Orange Immortal [65786]
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I've been wrong many many times, but you are bad wrong here.***
Jun 1, 2025, 9:05 PM
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Orange Elite [5459]
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Not taking ownership of your mistakes is what is truly scary
Jun 1, 2025, 11:05 PM
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because Trump won't be alive much longer. But there will be millions of people who voted for Trump and allowed him not only to exist but to thrive as a Republican will still be sticking their head in the sand.
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Orange Immortal [65786]
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Can you read?
Jun 2, 2025, 7:59 AM
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Not owning my mistakes? LOL!
I've been wrong many, many times.
Let's see you own yours.
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Orange Elite [5459]
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What am I wrong about?
Jun 2, 2025, 8:52 AM
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I pointed out that you were wrong about Republicans being fiscally conservative compared to Democrats. I even provided a chart of why you're wrong.
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Orange Immortal [65786]
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Re: What am I wrong about?
Jun 2, 2025, 10:27 AM
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No. You abandoned rational thought and Trump just took advantage of you . . .
Then Trump just realized he could lie about anything and you guys would support him.
I am not "you" or "you guys". I did vote for Trump in 2016 and 2020, not because I worshipped him or believed half of what he said; but because I still thought he was better than the alternative. Before the end of his second term, I'd had enough of Trump, and Jan 6 pushed me over the edge. I did not vote for Trump last time around and have repeatedly spoken out against him, and continue to do so when I disagree. While Trump is highly problematic, the bigger problem is that all of the choices we have are absolutely pathetic. The last few elections haven't produced anybody worthy of being the leader of the free world; not even close. Failure to recognize that is alarming, and just accepting it and simply choosing a side won't fix anything and only makes it worse. When Trump is gone, we'll still have shiddy, unfit candidates if we don't wake up.
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Orange Elite [5459]
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This is the problem, "I thought he was better than the alternative"
Jun 2, 2025, 12:33 PM
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but there was no legitimate reason for you to actually think Trump was better than Clinton or Biden or Harris.
You're still ignoring the serious issues within the Republican Party that have enabled Trump to be successful. You guys keep acting like once Trump is gone the problem is gone. No, the problem is what allowed Trump to exist.
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Orange Immortal [65786]
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Re: This is the problem, "I thought he was better than the alternative"
Jun 2, 2025, 2:44 PM
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but there was no legitimate reason for you to actually think Trump was better than Clinton or Biden or Harris.
This is your opinion, and I appreciate your confidence that it is correct. Just realize that's all it is, an opinion, and I happen to have a different one. Nothing I say will change your mind, and I'm good with that. And no, I'm not ignoring ####; the republican party is garbage filled with grown men sicking Trump's duck. I agree 100% about that.
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Orange Elite [5459]
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You realize opinions can be wrong right?
Jun 2, 2025, 2:55 PM
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We're far past the idea where Trump is just a flavor of ice cream where we can have two different opinions. It's clear that Trump is a failure.
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Orange Immortal [65786]
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Of course; do you? But . . .
Jun 2, 2025, 10:27 PM
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Which political party, between Democrat and Republican, is right/wrong/good/evil/best/worst is ENTIRELY a matter of opinion. Anybody who seriously believes they can declare otherwise is an arrogant fool.
You have an awful lot of assumptions about me that are way off:
I'm not a Trump supporter or worshipper, and I am openly critical of Trump.
You think Trump is a failure? Good - I don't care. I understand why people hate his guts and I have no personal stake in his success or failure, aside from how it affects the people of our great country.
I'm not a Republican, and I owe the Republican party zero allegiance.
No politician or political party determines my opinions for me.
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Orange Elite [5459]
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So you voted for every Republican presidential candidate since Reagan
Jun 2, 2025, 10:41 PM
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but you're telling me you're not a Republican?
Do you ever consider maybe you're just not being honest with yourself and the world?
It's such a weird situation where you and @fflow0440® are ok with admitting Trump and other Republicans ar wrong, but you're unwilling to go as far as to admit you were wrong.
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Tiger Titan [48932]
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He admitted he was wrong multiple times
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Jun 3, 2025, 9:33 AM
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Just because you didn't see all those threads doesn't mean it didn't happen. And Flow never supported Trump.
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Ultimate Tiger [35197]
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I think it's safe to conclude that classof09...
Jun 3, 2025, 11:22 AM
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is just going to keep repeating this line of thought, regardless of how nonsensical it is.
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Orange Elite [5459]
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Tiger Titan [48932]
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Which he agrees with, but here you go again...
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Jun 3, 2025, 9:33 AM
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Trying to demonize someone for being a Trump lover when he's not. Smiling did defend Trump too much during his first term, but he turned away from that and realized what a disaster the man is. It scores you no points to keep harping on it. He's been a harsh critic since Jan. 6.
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Orange Immortal [65786]
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Thanks. I did vote for Trump before, and like I said, at the time, it wasn't
Jun 3, 2025, 10:57 AM
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because I thought Trump was some kind of Godsend or super hero deserving a BJ. I just thought he was the better of two options. Was I wrong about that? I still don't think so, and I won't apologize for it. If anyone else thinks I was wrong, that's fine. However, over time, the problems that come with Trump as president have become more and more apparent to me, to the point I could no longer vote for him, even if the other option was disastorous. I own that 100%, and wish I'd seen it earlier. That's why I couldn't bring myself to vote for either this last time.
As far as republicans go, I am generally much more aligned with them than dems, but in no way am I committed to their position on anything. Right now, the republican party is a mess, supporting Trump out of political expediency instead of standing on principle. It's disgusting.
Again, I have been wrong about many many many things, just ask my wife. Trust me, I carry that burden every day. Am I wrong about my political ideas and positions? I very well could be - I have no problem admitting that. I mean, who's to say? It sure ain't 09, or anybody on here. Being wrong is part of life for all of us, and only dweebs are keeping score so that they can feel some sense of victory. I happen to believe that while getting some things right for the benefit of all is important, having to be right in every personal interaction and disagreement is petty and a waste of time and energy. Disagreement is normal and natural, and working together toward solutions is more important than being right.
Yes, I'm stumbling and bumbling, but hopefully headed in the right direction. I try to look at each issue, issue by issue, and decide where I stand, based on principle and my limited ability to understand, and never based on who or which side supports what.
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Orange Elite [5459]
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Its wild how you completely miss the point
Jun 3, 2025, 4:11 PM
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I’m not demonizing him for supporting Trump. I’m “demonizing” him for his shared beliefs with Trump.
I’m not really sure why you can’t seem to grasp that distinction.
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Orange Elite [5342]
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Re: What am I wrong about?
Jun 3, 2025, 6:17 PM
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J6 pushed you so far "over the edge" that you trashed LCheney and the rest of the J6 committee for trying to get to the bottom of what happened. 😆
#Revisionism101
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Orange Immortal [65786]
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Re: What am I wrong about?
Jun 4, 2025, 11:02 AM
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I don't believe the J6 committee was all about "getting to the bottom of what happened" (LOL). I think it was largely politically and personally motivated.
Again, what you simple-minded trollers can't seem to comprehend is that there are some people out here who aren't committed to a particular side, and actually try to look at each issue on it's own merits.
Was Trump wrong for Jan 6? Hell yes. He should have stepped aside and accepted the results like an adult. But his ego would not, could not accept his failure. What he did was egregious, and he deserved proper criticism and punishment.
What you simple minded dolts can't grasp is that by no stretch makes the Jan 6 committe "right" or "good", nor does it make heroes of any and all who were invloved; but that is the ####### bandwagon horseshid we get from you. The Jan 6 committee did not see Trump as a threat to the United States of America so much as a threat to their political agenda and their own fragile egos. Their motivation, instead of impartial justice, was personal hatred and vindictiveness. I mean, I get it, Trump is an easy guy to hate.
So many of you are so blinded by hyper-partisan hate that you can't get anywhere close to the objective truth, which is that while one side may be worse than the other (entirely a matter of opinion), neither is pure as the driven snow, and both are driven by the thirst for power while truth and real justice are way down the list. But you dillweeds want "victory", and there's no victory to be had in the current reality, so you pick a side and go with it no matter what.
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Paw Master [17359]
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How do "economic analysis groups" get paid?***
Jun 1, 2025, 1:19 PM
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Orange Phenom [14517]
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Game Changer [2048]
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Paw Warrior [5022]
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Re: How do "economic analysis groups" get paid?***
Jun 1, 2025, 8:44 PM
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Culty be cultin ^^^^^^ believes everyone is out to get Trump so they’re being paid to say that. Trump has them all believing this. Embarrassing
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Clemson Sports Icon [53026]
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Ultimate Tiger [35197]
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How come that article still speaks about initial projections and....
Jun 1, 2025, 8:02 PM
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Not actual revenue/receipts? I'm pretty sure actual revenue exceed the dynamic and static scoring by a substantial amount. Also, COVID threw a pretty big wrench into the entire budget.
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Orange Elite [5459]
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Actual revenue only exceeded the CBO projection in 2022
Jun 1, 2025, 11:16 PM
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and that was because of the post pandemic recovery. It wasn't a sustainable situation.
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Ultimate Tiger [35197]
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All-In [10895]
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No
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Can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning
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Re: Watching Mike Johnson on Meet the Press; is it too early to start drinking?
Jun 1, 2025, 3:10 PM
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Please, they have been saying this since Reagan, somehow cutting taxes will magically create more revenue, this has NEVER happened.
If you want to know where our 36 trillion went


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National Champion [7899]
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Re: Watching Mike Johnson on Meet the Press; is it too early to start drinking?
Jun 2, 2025, 7:35 AM
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Yes history is replete with examples of income tax cuts actually resulting in less tax revenue being collected by the fed govt in subsequent years. Our poor federal govt has been scraping by with less than ever since those 2017 tax cut giveaways.
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National Champion [8071]
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Well when I take a look at
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Jun 1, 2025, 3:20 PM
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your posts on the Inflation Reduction Act I see you were totally objective and forthright with excellent analysis.
Therefore, you must be right again.
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Orange Phenom [14517]
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I didnt post anything about the Inflation Reduction Act so keep on lying
Jun 1, 2025, 3:40 PM
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However, I do own a Tesla so I wasn’t too upset about the 7,500 federal tax credit
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Game Changer [2048]
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This isnt surprising. Trump added a record amount to
Jun 1, 2025, 4:21 PM
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the deficit in his first term. We already knew his politics before this: spend, spend, spend, and don’t worry about how to pay for it.
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National Champion [8071]
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You can't care one minute and not the next
Jun 2, 2025, 12:42 PM
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Is more government spending good or bad?
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Orange Elite [5459]
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How is a tax cut more government spending?***
Jun 2, 2025, 3:26 PM
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National Champion [8042]
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Re: Watching Mike Johnson on Meet the Press; is it too early to start drinking?
Jun 2, 2025, 10:31 PM
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Biden.... that is all.
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