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Thoughts: the rule that a fumble out of bounds
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Sep 15, 2023, 10:32 AM
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in the end zone is a touchback and the other team takes possession at the 20. The defense does not recover the ball, but still get the benefit as they are now off the field.
Do you like the rule or do you think it needs to be updated/changed ??
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Re: Thoughts: the rule that a fumble out of bounds
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Sep 15, 2023, 10:34 AM
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Seems like a good rule to me!
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Gridiron Giant [15748]
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meant to respond to the OP
Sep 15, 2023, 10:56 AM
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National Champion [7562]
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Re: Thoughts: the rule that a fumble out of bounds
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Sep 15, 2023, 11:30 AM
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It has been the rule for a very long time, and I have heard that they have had discussions about it in recent years but kept it in place.
I guess the CBA covered it so no reason to be disappointed, even though it does seem like the rule is a bit of an old school style rule.
The offense already has pretty much every advantage in football in 2023, maybe this rule should stay the same to at least give at least something to the defense!!
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It cost the Vikings last night. Do not like it.***
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Sep 15, 2023, 10:40 AM
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Too punitive. Treat it like any other fumble out of bounds
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Sep 15, 2023, 10:41 AM
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and return it to the spot of the fumble if fumbled forward and to the spot it went out of bounds if fumbled backwards.
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Clemson Icon [27374]
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Its pretty dumb
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Sep 15, 2023, 10:42 AM
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If a guy fumbles one inch sooner at the 1, it’s no big deal and his team gets the ball there. But if it flies out a bit more it’s a disaster
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Gridiron Giant [15748]
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It should be called down at the point of the fumble and
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Sep 15, 2023, 10:57 AM
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controlled by the team that fumbled. **If it was 4th down, the opposing team should get the ball plus a 15 yrd advancement (to keep people from intentionally fumbling on 4th if they know they will not make a TD or first down).
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Re: Thoughts: the rule that a fumble out of bounds
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Sep 15, 2023, 11:04 AM
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It helped Clemson beat Texas A&M a few years ago. Although it was good for Clemson I don't like the rule.
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National Champion [7562]
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Re: Thoughts: the rule that a fumble out of bounds
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Sep 15, 2023, 11:28 AM
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Yes it did, I remember that well. Apparently this is one of the rules that is the same in college and the NFL.
A rule is a rule, so I am good as long as consistent but it is kind of a weird rule that the defense gets all the advantage yet never actually recover the fumble.
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Orange Blooded [2581]
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Always hated that rule. Inconsistent with every other rule
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Sep 15, 2023, 11:14 AM
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about change of possession.
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Re: Thoughts: the rule that a fumble out of bounds
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Sep 15, 2023, 11:40 AM
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I'm fine with it. If you're on Offense don't screw up near the goal line like that. Kind of freebie / mulligan territory otherwise if it simply gets spotted back at the point of the fumble. It's consistent with all other fumble outcomes that way also, so why give an offense a new advantage? Offenses can't advance a fumble on 4th down anywhere on the field so there's no motive to prevent such occurrences near the goal line by changing that.
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Re: Thoughts: the rule that a fumble out of bounds
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Sep 15, 2023, 11:50 AM
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Guess I am in the minority here it seems after reviewing all the comments. Count me as opposed; I like the rule. Yes, I agree than different than the other out of bound's rules -- but that's the point. The endzone IS different and is supposed to be different. The end zone is special. If you as the offense don't take special care of the ball (the most prized possession in the game) around the most special part of the field -- then yes, you should absolutely be penalized by a loss of possession. It was your fault for not protecting the ball.
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National Champion [7562]
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Re: Thoughts: the rule that a fumble out of bounds
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Sep 15, 2023, 12:59 PM
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Your reasoning is sound, and might be why it has continued to be the rule through all of these "discussions".
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Re: Thoughts: the rule that a fumble out of bounds
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Sep 15, 2023, 12:46 PM
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Here is another one for you all. Defensive penalty when backed up near the goal without enough yardage...half the distance to the goal line. Offensive penalty...full amount. Rule since forever. Should this be changed?
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Orange Beast [6290]
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Re: Thoughts: the rule that a fumble out of bounds
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Sep 15, 2023, 1:09 PM
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Its been that way forever. If players don't like then stop fumbling into the end zone.
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Re: Thoughts: the rule that a fumble out of bounds
Sep 15, 2023, 5:52 PM
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I think its a dumb rule. The placement of the ball in different scenarios should be consistent.
Unless I'm wrong, these are the rules:
If you fumble the ball forward and it goes out of bounds on 1st, 2nd or 3rd down, ball is marked where it went out of bounds.
If the ball is fumbled backward out of bounds, this same rule does not apply. Instead, the offense would get the ball where the ball went out, which likely results in a loss of yards.
If you fumble forward on 4th down it is marked where you fumbled. If the ball is fumbled forward on 4th down, the only player who can recover and advance the ball is the initial ball carrier.
It’s also not allowed to fumble the ball forward on a two-point conversion. If the ball gets fumbled forward and goes out of bounds, it will be returned to the original spot where it occurred to avoid players fumbling on purpose to try and gain extra yards.
Here's my take,
They make all these dumb, inconsistent interpretations of different fumbling scenarios out of concern for someone intentionally fumbling forward to get yards they didn't earn. I intentionally fumbling is a huge risk/reward situation that I would not coach my players to do for 2 reasons. 1) It could be ruled an illegal forward pass with 5 yard penalty and loss of down. and 2) it is an oblong sphere that doesnt go where you want it to when it hits the ground. Hence the risk/reward is not worth it.
Just make it simple. "All fumbles are ruled down where the fumble is recovered unless it goes out of bounds, then the last team that had possession of it gets the ball where they last had possession of it"
https://gamedayculture.com/can-you-fumble-the-ball-forward-in-college-football/#what-happens-if-you-fumble-forward-out-of-bounds-in-college-football
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Re: Thoughts: the rule that a fumble out of bounds
Sep 15, 2023, 6:38 PM
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In your fumbling backwards example, the same rule actually does apply consistent with the forward yardage scenarios. In each case the ball is being spotted where it went out of bounds, either forward or backwards, save for the 4th down exception, which itself is consistent with a 2-point conversion, as they both represent your only remaining chance to either move the chains or score. I also find it consistent and fair that only the O player fumbling can advance the ball with his own recovery, as it's a sign of a more legitimate play at hand, instead of a ploy.
The End Zone is the Defense's home turf. Job Numero Uno is preventing an Offense from entering. If a play from an Offense spills the ball into and out of your home turf area, they lost possession on that play in your turf, so possession D at the 20 as a Touchback is pretty dang appropriate. IMO.
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