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Suzy Kolber and David Pollack added more value to their network than their salaries cost ESPN.
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The network made cuts indiscriminate of who/what drives value.
Collage Gameday is ESPN’s most popular show with over 2MM viewers an episode for over 3-hrs. Pollack added value to the product.
Suzy Kolber is one of the very best in the business. She’s earned her stripes perhaps more than any other woman covering the NFL. KNOWS the game and the league. She hosted NFL Live for over a decade.
In my experience, firing talent in socialistic fashion is what poor companies do.
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Ring of Honor [21013]
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I tend to agree. Both are odd choices to cut IMO.
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There were much more obvious candidates for fat cutting.
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Game Changer [1796]
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Both Caucasian thus making them ideal candidates...
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Jul 2, 2023, 6:54 AM
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while adhering to The World Wide Leader's SOP—
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All-In [10404]
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Re: Both Caucasian thus making them ideal candidates...
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I would tend to agree but they also cut 2 racists in Jalen Rose and Keyshawn Johnson.
They should’ve gotten rid of that POS Mia Kimes. She would be a perfect candidate for that #### show The View.
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Game Day Hero [4241]
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Re: Both Caucasian thus making them ideal candidates...***
Jul 5, 2023, 6:15 PM
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CU Medallion [20786]
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Re: Both Caucasian thus making them ideal candidates...
Jul 6, 2023, 2:53 PM
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I’ve only watched a few segments of The View. I can’t get into it. Seems a lot of folks like yourself reference it and are avid watchers. Not judging. If it appeals to you then so be it. Good for you hunter of bowls. Good for you.
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National Champion [7925]
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Varsity [104]
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Easy there Broadway Joe!!!
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Jul 2, 2023, 9:48 AM
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Top TigerNet [29862]
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ESPN is moving toward fluff and ideology.
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Jul 2, 2023, 7:11 AM
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They believe that is the direction the public is heading.
In that sense, they are following the lead of MSNBC, CNN, FoxNews etc. Reporting sports is less and less important. Opinionating on sports is more and more important.
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Starter [291]
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Re: ESPN is moving toward fluff and ideology.
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Jul 2, 2023, 8:04 AM
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ESPN could have terminated Pat McAfee (new contract 5-year, $85M), Stephen A Smith, and Lee Corso (like the man, but he needs to go), and saved the value-added names like David Pollack and Suzy Kolber.
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Starter [291]
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Re: ESPN is moving toward fluff and ideology.
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Jul 2, 2023, 8:06 AM
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Should also add Paul Finebaum to those who could easily be axed!
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Paw Warrior [4940]
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Re: ESPN is moving toward fluff and ideology.
Jul 7, 2023, 4:56 PM
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Too many trailer park viewers to get rid of him.
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Ring of Honor [23714]
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Game Changer [1648]
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I love the McAfee show. They are great.
Jul 7, 2023, 4:52 PM
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I really like Pollack, disappointed to see him go
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Clemson Icon [24158]
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McAfee and SAS are by far their most popular "personalities"
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I guess most of y'all have only ever seen McAfee on College GameDay, but his YouTube show is extremely popular. I don't much like him, but the younger folks do.
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Tiger Spirit [9859]
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A sad indication of where we are headed as a society!!***
Jul 6, 2023, 2:58 PM
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Orange Blooded [2386]
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Re: ESPN is moving toward fluff and ideology.
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I played in a pro-am for former PGA Pro Fulton Allum and Lee Corso was on my team. He was the absolute biggest A$$ Hole I have ever had the displeasure of playing golf with......... I hope he is fired. FYI
ESPN could have terminated Pat McAfee (new contract 5-year, $85M), Stephen A Smith, and Lee Corso (like the man, but he needs to go), and saved the value-added names like David Pollack and Suzy Kolber.
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Ring of Honor [23714]
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Orange Elite [5372]
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notice how few viewers that attracts— people want genuine
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And straight-up stuff, not sugar coated, politically correct crap. That is why Trump won the last 2 elections (the last one was tampered with big time but he won and we all know it).
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Clemson Icon [26237]
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Re: notice how few viewers that attracts— people want genuine
Jul 4, 2023, 3:51 PM
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HAHAHA!!!!
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Rival Killer [2939]
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surprised they didn't cut Sage Steele
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Jul 2, 2023, 9:34 AM
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Lady comes from a military family and loves our men and women in uniform.
She has far more brain than most on the World Wide Leader and even has the cajones to defy the politically correct on topics like vaxx and Covid.
I like her a lot. Which probably means Disney brass would like to see her go.
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Orange Blooded [2557]
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Re: Suzy Kolber and David Pollack added more value to their network than their salaries cost ESPN.
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Jul 2, 2023, 9:40 AM
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David is a nice guy, but his analysis is pedestrian at best. Mcshay was annoying.
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Ring of Honor [23714]
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I think David was an odd cut, I agree.
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Jul 2, 2023, 9:49 AM
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But calling a company who fires and hires who they want Socialist?
Really? My God, get a grip.
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Varsity [104]
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Re: I think David was an odd cut, I agree.
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Jul 2, 2023, 10:28 AM
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I didn’t state they were socialist, but your attention span suffers from the same deficiencies as your fandom.
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Ring of Honor [23714]
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Re: I think David was an odd cut, I agree.
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Jul 4, 2023, 11:43 AM
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"In my experience, firing talent in socialistic fashion is what poor companies do."
My bad, Socialistic.
In my experience, small-minded tribalistic folk need to make everything political.
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Varsity [104]
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No, your bad is again not understanding or just being mentally lazy.
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Jul 4, 2023, 5:54 PM
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Good companies practice something called “creative destruction.” What does that mean, a curious, less-inhibited mind might ask?
It means that these companies identify what is working and not working and make aggressive changes as to run to the daylight of innovation.
Think companies that made buggy whips when the automobile came out. They all quickly pivoted, or they found themselves out of business.
The creative destruction process can be fast and violent.
So we turn to ESPN today. The network is hemorrhaging in no small part because a portion of their programming content injects social issues and politics and is running off viewers. They had a chance to review success, review failure, and make stark selections to eliminate the buggy whips and embrace the flying car. They didn’t. They cut evenly(fairly) and broadly, then told themselves that people just need to understand the buggy whip better and it’ll sell.
I actually think the Pat M. hire is a good one and is the only example in these recent moves that feels like creative destruction.
Most of the rest ignores any lessons learned, which tells one all they need to know. There will be more pain, more layoffs, more disappointment at ESPN going forward.
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Ring of Honor [23714]
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Thank you for the lengthy explanation....
Jul 7, 2023, 5:38 PM
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I simply disagree. I do not think that ESPN is failing because they are interjecting too many social justice warrior-themed programming/issues. Nor do I think any of that had to do with Pollack being removed. I mean, I do agree that it was a bad move.
Anyway, it's ok to agree to disagree.
I could be a little gun shy with the policiation of EVERYTHING on here. It's exhausting.
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Tiger Cub [19]
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Tiger Cub [19]
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Re: I think David was an odd cut, I agree.
Jul 7, 2023, 10:39 AM
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@playboy bunny guy
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Freshman [-94]
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Jul 2, 2023, 9:55 AM
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SEC network is well run and does a great job, unlike the ACC network. I bet they ###### up Pollack in short order. Something has to be done to get the ACC network on track.
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Freshman [-94]
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Re: Suzy Kolber and David Pollack added more value to their network than their salaries cost ESPN.
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Jul 2, 2023, 9:56 AM
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I can't believe TNet censored a word that rhymes with catch but means to take.
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Clemson Sports Icon [59298]
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Well, Ole Spud ain't lost it yet, but it took me a minute...***
Jul 4, 2023, 7:14 AM
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Paw Warrior [4830]
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Re: Suzy Kolber and David Pollack added more value to their network than their salaries cost ESPN.
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Jul 2, 2023, 10:27 AM
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They are min/maxing.
You keep "superstars" who "engage" the audience and pay them top dollar.
Aside from them, you have a bunch of new or low paid scrubs.
You fire all the well paid competent people in the middle.
They aren't trying to put out a great product.
They are trying to engage eyeballs and sell advertising.
Competence doesn't do that. Yelling does whether people love it or hate it.
It's basic journalism management and it's the same thing that newspapers did 20 years ago.
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CU Medallion [20786]
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^^^ is good post ^^^ .***
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110%er [4081]
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National Champion [7593]
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ESPN and the entire MSM is so out of touch with every day Americans. They do not have a clue anymore.
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Varsity [104]
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I don’t think it’s that complicated either.
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Jul 2, 2023, 10:48 AM
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Progressive company buys successful sports network.
Progressive company injects social discourse that they care about instead of their customers particularly into their NBA and talking head shows.
Public reacts negatively and stops watching thus hurting the whole network, revenue, and brand.
In response the network cuts all on-air talent “fairly” to address the loss of revenue.
Network congratulates itself for navigating thru tough times in a tough environment as it imagines even more of what created the tough environment in the first place.
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Top TigerNet [30513]
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Re: I don’t think it’s that complicated either.
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Don't leave out Stephen A** Smith. Can you imagine what his salary is ? He, too, does not like white athletes and never praises them.
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Tiger Spirit [9353]
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I just looked it up. $8 million a year. I actually thought it would be more.
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Varsity [104]
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Re: I don’t think it’s that complicated either.
Jul 2, 2023, 7:08 PM
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That’s like a cord of Suzy Kolbers.
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Paw Warrior [4895]
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This is the ###### of publicly traded corporate behavior in this day time.
Sad but true
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [102352]
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Talking heads who push the corporate agenda...
Jul 4, 2023, 7:35 AM
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which is SEC bias, are a dime a dozen. They are no more than any other creative yes men. Fox News, CNN and the rest of the politics pushers would do the same quality of sucking as anyone on ESPiN.
I quit watching that crap 5 years ago, puked and fell a lot better about it these days.
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I think it is a shame that they cut some good talent but the determination to find some woke conspiracy is silly.
ESPN is in a bind - live programming still gets viewers but is getting more and more expensive. But cord-cutting is costing them subscriptions. They need to save some money and they don't want to do that my losing live content.
They have to find savings. And while I have no time for Stephen A. or McAfee, I suspect ESPN knows better than we do how many eyeballs those guys draw.
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Starter [251]
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Re: Suzy Kolber and David Pollack added more value to their network than their salaries cost ESPN.
Jul 7, 2023, 5:06 PM
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I think it is a shame that they cut some good talent but the determination to find some woke conspiracy is silly.
ESPN is in a bind - live programming still gets viewers but is getting more and more expensive. But cord-cutting is costing them subscriptions. They need to save some money and they don't want to do that my losing live content.
They have to find savings. And while I have no time for Stephen A. or McAfee, I suspect ESPN knows better than we do how many eyeballs those guys draw.
Finally someone gets it... like I said in another thread about this - they're looking for versatility of their staff that can be on multiple shows/platforms and carry the show themselves.
That's why they have someone like McAfee - whether you like him or not, people have been watching/listening his shows specifically for him, and he's on multiple platforms (radio/youtube/instagram snippets of his youtube show/now will be traditional TV). Since there are so many cord cutters and podcast subscriptions (that also goes into youtube viewership, since many podcasts are now also videos on youtube), they have to have that versatility.
The next ones you will see on espn once they retire are the Kelces.
and to add - the Kelces have a wildly successful podcast, and they put it out on youtube. they also put snippets from the podcast videos on other social platforms like instagram/tiktok. they are working multiple platforms.
essentially, they want one person to do the job of many, much like any other business/job does.
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People don't get fired in socialism.
Jul 7, 2023, 2:21 PM
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You might not like them getting fired but that's free market capitalism period. Now they can go to another network and your free to not watch espn. Simple. In government controlled companies workers tend to not get fired.
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