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Paw Warrior [4893]
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Im not trying to be critical of others education levels
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but want a reasonable answer to my question.
Most of the MAGA people I know personally are not college graduates or didn’t attend college at all and the people like me that are never Trumpers are college graduates and some with higher degrees. Why is that? I know lots of people that didn’t go to college that are very smart so I’m not dumping on them. I’m speaking about friends and family and others that are just acquaintances.
I’m interested in what I’m seeing and hearing differently and what education level has to do with it. It’s truly baffling to me that what I see perfectly as a con man and others see as the savior of America.
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Ring of Honor [22211]
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Doubling down & tripling down on obvious incorrect statements
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May 4, 2025, 11:12 AM
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Either demonstrates the lack of intelligence, personal disorder or mental incompetence _ or a combination. Trump’s pretense of being all knowledgeable and always correct on every subject matter is simply bull ch!t and easily seen through. Also obvious are the glaring contradictions in statements and policies combined with the refusal to acknowledge earlier positions when there written and video records.
Educated professionals acknowledge mistakes, make corrections and move forward.
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Re: Im not trying to be critical of others education levels
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What you see is what the echo chamber wants you to see. And, of course, you buy in hook, line, and sinker.
Of course you are being critical of others' education levels - otherwise you wouldn't care. But it makes you feel superior so you like it.
It's been said here 1000 times. Most of us don't give a chit about Trump's ego, his namecalling, his locker room talk, etc. What we want is a return to common sense
- two genders
- no women in men's sports
- no boys in girls bathrooms or locker rooms
- a government the country can afford
- less bureaucracy, less waste, less corruption in the gov't
- less gov't over reach, more freedom
- school systems that listen to parents
- a secure border with a reasonable immigration policy like the rest of the planet
- less Wokeness
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So I'll leave it to the liberal/commie sociologists, who will never write the truth, to tell you why people with 'less' education want these things.
It could be that more so called 'education' makes you dumber. Certainly, for the majority of liberal arts majors in the majority of public and private universities, more education gets you more woke.
With a PhD in engineering, I am in the top 1% of educated humans and understand that most Democrats do NOT understand science or critical thought as I do.
Maybe the world view of non-educated people is formed from living and working in reality - working with their hands, making machines run, moving dirt and paving roads, building your house, running small businesses that must have a budget and follow it, etc. These people know far more about the world than the elite, woke, snowflake Ivy League graduate who goes in the fetal position when Starbucks runs out out of Pumpkinspice Latte.
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Paw Warrior [4986]
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The echo chamber you're talking about
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... is the opinion of half this country and virtually all of the rest of the free world. It's a diversification of news outlets all trending in that direction. It's a common opinion held among people who are capable of empathy and lifting up others who are down.
YOU though are stuck believing any and everything Trump says. You can't identify legitimate news sources and instead attack anything that dares criticize your Lord and Savior. You try to tell others what they should be doing without making any effort to understand their perspectives. You try to stand on some moral high ground with these statements and then in the next thread will condemn or wish ill will toward others because of who they vote for or what they look like. Just the other day you were arguing, "If black people would just blahblahblah, then ..."
Go #### yourself dude. You don't give a #### about other people. You just want whatever works out best for you, everyone else be ######.
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Legend [6849]
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LOL
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"...your Lord and Savior..." you have me mixed up with someone else on the bored.
Try again.
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National Champion [7717]
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Re: The echo chamber you're talking about
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May 4, 2025, 4:25 PM
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Nobody on the right believes everything Trump says no matter how many left wing kooks repeat that lie.
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Orange Blooded [2477]
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Re: The echo chamber you're talking about
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Yup, every time you post, and I mean every time, you confirm Trump has you right where he wants you. Hilariously gullible. Bless your heart.😂
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Re: The echo chamber you're talking about
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Diversification of news outlets are all trending in the direction of leftism? Where on Earth did you come up with that one. Ooops, I forgot; your thought masters have instructed you to believe that.
Got any thoughts of your own about how the traditional nearly-all-liberal main stream media (TV news, TV ‘news magazine’ shows (like 60 Minutes), major newspapers, and ‘news’ magazines such as Newsweek have been suffering from serious declines in sales, advertising revenue, and ratings?
Why are non-leftist ‘modern’ media / podcasters eating their lunch and laughing all the way to the bank?
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The irony of your post is delicious. Those among America’s shrinking population of leftist college graduates with their oh so useful Interpretative Dance and Social Justice degrees are absolutely brainwashed in one obvious behavior: To them, every thing that Trump says or does, everything that the Trump Administratiin says or does, must be derided or unmentioned. Under no circumstance may a TDSer express anything other than what your thought masters have instructed them to say.
Mindless obedience. Jones Town type adulation. That is the most prominent characteristic of a TDSer.
Tag. You’re it.
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Re: some of the dumbest people Ive ever met are engineers
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May 4, 2025, 12:11 PM
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I’ll go a step further, overall some of the dumbest people on the planet are degree holders. They just are unaware they are dumb.
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110%er [3643]
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You may have met Dunning Kruger***
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The difference is that engineers could have gotten into any major they wanted to
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and engineering classes are much harder than any of the other BS classes that they have to take.
Meanwhile the University is loaded up with worthless liberal arts majors because it pays to educate the masses.
The fact is that Clemson is a decent school but fairly easy to get in to. It happens to be the best engineering school in the State so most engineers go there to save money. I didn't apply anywhere else because there was nowhere else to go.
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110%er [3643]
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wasted brainpower, half of them should of majored in History***
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Re: wasted brainpower, half of them should of majored in History***
May 5, 2025, 9:00 AM
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I’m afraid us “neurotypicals” are outnumbered by the engineer types here on TNet haha
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Ring of Honor [23763]
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I was an engineering major at Clemson and an engineer for many years...
May 10, 2025, 8:37 AM
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...I could see a large portion of my classmates then being huge maga idiots now. Of course, I went off and saw the world, gained perspective. Sadly, most of them did not.
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Paw Master [17208]
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Ur business admin, eh?***
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lol, this is a joke, right?***
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No***
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Re: Im not trying to be critical of others education levels
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Generally, the higher education helps provide you with the tools to reason out things in the world. The evidence shows you are an exception to this. You want some laundry list of idiocy, but voted for a guy promising to end democracy in America.
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Re: Im not trying to be critical of others education levels
May 9, 2025, 11:30 PM
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The USA is not, nor has it ever been a Democracy.
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Re: Im not trying to be critical of others education levels
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It’s a representative democracy. The form of government is a republic. The two are not exclusive. That old trope you are stuck on was used to intentionally mislead people.
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Dynasty Maker [3258]
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I need to correct your sentence.....
May 11, 2025, 9:43 AM
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"I HOPE the USA is not, nor ever been a Democracy."
The US is a Democracy. We elect our representatives. We elect our Senators. We also elect our electoral college, where the POTUS is decided. We also elect governors & representatives in our state governments as well. We are a Republic. And we are a Democracy. They are not mutually exclusive, no matter how badly some people wish that were so.
The "we're not a Democracy" talking point has become popular in fascist circles within MAGA-world during the last decade. Our Democracy is under attack from fascists. But it still exists.
Self-proclaimed conservatives and Republicans didn't used to say this stuff.
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Ring of Honor [22211]
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Elaborate on how Trump has performed on a government the country can afford.
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Also elaborate on how record number of EOs support less government overreach, more freedom.
Does a reasonable immigration policy include compliance with judicial orders and judicial interpretation of existing laws?
Is less wokeness code for empower racism and misogyny?
Just not impressed with a litany of MAGA gibberish that has “obvious” contradictions to reality.
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Clemson Conqueror [11543]
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I will step in here
May 10, 2025, 8:52 PM
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Number of EOs. Trump is reversing Biden Handlers Admin’s EO’s. You should celebrate that as reversing Biden Handlers’s EO’s.
Reasonable immigration policy. Trump-47 has been stuck with a massively corrupt illegal immigration policy that Biden Handlers Admin foisted upon us. Among the ~10,000,000 illegal aliens that Biden Handlers assisted in coming to the US (apps that directed illegal aliens to insecure border check points, talking points to deceive border control agents from turning them back, advice on how to request assistance from pro-illegal-alien immigration lawyers, and in numerous cases actually flying in illegal aliens) were hundreds of thousands of criminals, including large numbers violent gang members. Innocent American citizens have suffered vandalism, theft, bodily harm, and murder from among the illegal alien hoard.
Either Biden Handlers Admin was careless (I.e., incredibly stupid and reckless) or, if they knew that they were bringing in criminals and criminal gangs, treasonous.
America simply has neither the justice system resources nor internment facilities to address Biden Handlers Admin’s gross illegality. Trump-47 is challenging our legal system, as he should. Separation of powers and co-equal branches if government does not put equal weight in a US District Court judge to be a co-equal power to POTUS. Only SCOTUS and Congress are co-equal to POTUS. Trump-47 is challenging the rulings of low level judges to interfere with his Article 2 Constitutional powers.
Wokeness is racism because it equates blacks as being a race if people who cannot compete with white people on the basis of merit. Wokeness presumes that black people must be held to a lower standard in order to be able to hold jobs that would otherwise go to whate people. Wokeness is just a fast way of expressing the philosophy of the bigotry of low expectations.
Misogyny? Ouhleeese.
Get out of the eco-pod. It’ll be good for you.
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Pretty ignorant to blame echo chambers without acknowledging your own
May 4, 2025, 3:23 PM
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Because we all have biases but that’s no excuse for worshipping this clown.
If you were smart you wouldn’t let culture wars and your bias from seeing what a horrible leader trump is.
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Everything listed is built around identity politics formed by your echo chamber
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That's always the irony of these types of posts. You literally can't see how much your own worldview is formed from your echo chamber. You can't define "wokeness" yet want to see less of it. The word is just a placeholder for anything they tell you not to like.
You throw non-specific generalized beliefs like "less bureaucracy and less corruption" and "more freedom" which, again, means nothing when not backed up with anything specific. Is it common sense to do away with disease research? Or medical support for kids with cancer? Or the fact that DOGE is going to cost us money, or the fact that Trump is spending more, day to day, now than in nine of the last ten years. Where's the common sense? (This doesn't even bring up the corruption...)
When you look at the specific actions Trump and MAGA have and still want done, it undercuts the argument about any of this being "common sense" or any "sense" at all.
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Clemson Conqueror [11543]
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How can you miss the irony of your own post / beliefs?
May 10, 2025, 9:11 PM
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Your entire post is replete with generalizations, yet you criticize NC Tiger for using generalizations in his post.
The OP uses generalizations to characterize ‘educated’ people as only constituting college educated people.
Do you know any electricians? Plumbers? Heating & Air installers and troubleshooters? Air traffic controllers? Comparing these people to the ubiquitous holders of college bachelor’s degrees in Art History, Sociology, Social Justice, Painting (my sister was a Painting major at a well known private university in the Northeast), Music, Humanities, Interpretive Dance, etc etc, the non-college people have a more challenging set of things to learn and apply properly.
From personal experience at Clemson (I graduated in a STEM major), the easy ‘A’ courses were Sociology, Humanities, and Philosophy. That is not to suggest that every class that people take in those majors are easy. Foreign languages are required electives for most STEM type majors; it is my understanding that a few foreign languages courses are required.
To summarize, there’s a bunch of self-congratulatory college graduates that are nowhere near as smart, or as good at problem solving, as those non-college graduates which were trained to work in non-college graduate skilled professions.
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Education =/= Intelligence
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To think that someone isn't as intelligent as you are because they don't have an XYZ degree is foolish.
All the MAGAs in my neighborhood are all college educated and have degrees spanning numerous fields.
Some are just fed up with the government and if this shakes it up, so be it.
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The folks are even more perplexing
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Because they obviously have degrees but then they coalesce with people who tell them college degrees are bad.
So they’re agreeing with people they know are wrong.
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Orange Elite [5256]
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Re: The folks are even more perplexing
May 4, 2025, 5:00 PM
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Nailed it.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [108458]
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A degree simply means you're capable of learning. In other words.....
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you're not an idiot. Beyond that, it means very little. Just shows you're capable of learning. Doesn't mean you're smart, intelligent, pragmatic, wise, or anything else.
But if you're capable of learning, then you're capable of MOST employment.
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Clemson Conqueror [11543]
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Re: A degree simply means you're capable of learning. In other words.....
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A degree in Painting, Music, Social Justice, Interpretative Dance, and some others is a poor indicator of the college graduate’s ability to learn, at least in comparison to non-college degreed skill jobs such as electricians, plumbers, heating & air systems installers / repair men / troubleshooters, air traffic controllers, etc.
There are many many dumbazzzzes who have BS degrees in those college majors which I have listed above. There are very few dumbazzzzes among the non-college educated skilled profession workers that I’ve listed above.
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Paw Master [17208]
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Yet, you made the dumbest post of the day.***
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Paw Warrior [4986]
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Don't worry, Chief. I'm sure you'll win that title back in a matter of minutes.
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Keep that hateful little head up. There's plenty more for you to hate out there.
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Re: Im not trying to be critical of others education levels
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I don't think the degree is needed at all. It's pretty meaningless. They are usually underexposed to the world or not very intelligent though.
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more of a fox news conspiracy theorist thing going on***
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Theres a reason Trump loves the uneducated.***
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Re: Im not trying to be critical of others education levels
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Why spend all that time, effort, and money on education when you can believe whatever feels good?
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Paw Master [17208]
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Like: Joe works 16 hrs a day; no one could keep up.
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Taxes will cool the planet
Musk is hitler
Trump is hitler
Joe never talked to jr about his business
Cloth masks work
If you get vaccinated, you can’t get COVID
Dudes in women’s sports is equality
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more like,
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it was God's will that I ran over the toddler when drunk. Vaccines cause Autism, God determines the outcome of football games, I am going to win the lottery because I am special, and other things that stupid people believe.
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Clemson Conqueror [11543]
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Blindly following guidance of so-called experts is not smart
May 10, 2025, 9:26 PM
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The peanut allergy protocols which the US govt health agencies had recommended, yes, by Anthony Fauci, was based not on science, but rather by ‘expert intuition.’
Yet, America’s physicians, arguably among the best of formally educated people, were, en masse, too arrogant in their own sense of perfection to challenge the ‘official’ protocol from the ‘Medical Authorities.’
Follow the science is good, but you can’t just say it. Science requires testing and challenging studies ‘accepted’ practices. At the least, it requires thorough research of the existing literature, and discounting literature in which the author cites his own previous work to prove his ‘new’ work.
Fauci and Team got the peanut allergy thing completely azz-backwards wrong.
https://www.theburningplatform.com/2025/04/06/us-peanut-allergy-epidemic-sprang-from-experts-exactly-wrong-guidance/
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You get to a stage in life, you'll understand. People are merely a sum of their
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personal/individual experiences. Period. There's dumb/stupid/etc., then there's ignorant. Most people are not dumb, or stupid. Those people are incapable of learning anything. But most people are simply ignorant, meaning they're capable of understanding things, but have not been exposed to those things and as such they lack knowledge about it.
I know many brilliant people who are ignorant of many things. Doesn't mean they're morons, dumb, or whatever, it just means their experiences are what they are, and NOT what they're not.
One thing I've learned in my job, and it carries over to many things in life, if you want the cooperation of people, you don't want them to see you as an expert, rather, they should see you as a teacher. Most people who are ignorant of things, will be paranoid, untrusting, and prone to bad decisions. If someone doesn't understand something, the natural human tendency is to recoil from whatever the subject or topic is, and this is where conspiracies gain traction. And America literally runs on ignorance, and specifically profiting from ignorance. It's why the richest country on Earth does not provide the most basic financial education to citizens in government-funded high schools.
Most people with the experience of financial knowledge, and how the economy works, will recoil at Trump's platform. Others, who do not know how the economy works, will embrace his rhetoric, because they do understand that part of his platform. And if you play the numbers, in America, then the con man will have ample wealth and opportunity, and that is Trump, real estate developers, credit card companies, payday loan stores, whatever thrive on.
If you live on a ranch in west Texas your whole life, you're likely going to be a conservative. You're going to value freedom, individualism, personal liberty, gun rights, and hate governemnt handouts. If you grew up in Harlem, and lived in Harlem your whole life, you're going to appreciate controls, laws, regulations, and governemnt programs. And you will likely be a liberal. NEITHER of these examples are bad or dumb people, but they are both ignorant of the life experiences of the other. The problem is when the liberal from Harlem and the rancher from texas both think their life experience, and beliefs, are best for others and everyone else. That's where the problems arise.
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Ring of Honor [23763]
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Nice work young man.***
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Ehhhh....
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>>"If you live on a ranch in west Texas your whole life, you're likely going to be a conservative. You're going to value freedom, individualism, personal liberty, gun rights, and hate governemnt handouts. If you grew up in Harlem, and lived in Harlem your whole life, you're going to appreciate controls, laws, regulations, and governemnt programs. And you will likely be a liberal."
One of the things that occurs in America is that red states often get subsidized by blue states. Those people that live in NYC, some in Harlem, pay more taxes than they receive in receipts from the Feds, while a lot of red states, including Texas, receive more from the federal government than they pay.
https://rockinst.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/Balance-of-Payments-Federal-2024.pdf
People who live in these "conservative" rural areas often rely on government handouts. They just don't want to admit it. And they might be more likely to want Trump to turn America into a police state. In red-state MAGA-world, these "individualism" minded ranchers are often the same people that want to attack speech, ban books, and beat the gay out of people. I don't find that to be someone that I would call "individualistic" or someone that actually values "freedom".
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Re: You get to a stage in life, you'll understand. People are merely a sum of their
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There are many people with financial / economic expertise who don’t have a clue about how negotiations are conducted.
Arguably, the majority of people whom possess both education and real-world experience in economics and finance denounce Trump’s pro-tariffs approach.
They do not understand that tariffs are the strongest negotiations hammer that America has over every other country on Earth. By threatening to use tariffs, Trump is playing America’s strongest card to reset the … wait for it, wait for it … combination of nationalistic barriers to trade that distorts the global economy.
Straight-up tariffs and abusive regulatory barriers have distorted the global economy to,the detriment of America’s well-being. The irony scapes the linear thinkers. Trump’s use of tariff threats as a negotiations tactic are driving the world’s 3conomies to equalize their tariffs on us and to reduce the degree of regulatory barriers (I.e., tariffs by another means).
Trump is viewed (rightfully so) as unpredictable, and as such his talk cannot be dismissed as the vapid messaging MO of traditional politicians. The EU learned that Yrump-45 wasn’t just whistling Dixie when he threatened NATO to ante-up with their NATO dues. They know better now, having learned the hard way. Other stuff Trump says turns out to be bluster. His unpredictability is, IMO, a combination of manipulating his opponents in a negotiation + natural unpredictability. He uses both to America’s advantage when conducting negotiations. The other aspect of his negotiations is mental agility; he makes adjustments rapidly as the situation calls for.
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The people who hate Yrump, mostly those who view Trump-47 as an impediment to the security / comfort / salary growth potential of their own jobs, don’t care about this. They are committed to anti-Trump propaganda in hopes of convincing other to embrace their anti-Trump narratives; by doing so brick by brick, they build popular support for their own jobs to become pre-Trump-47 comfortable again.
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Paw Warrior [5011]
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Re: Im not trying to be critical of others education levels
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May 4, 2025, 2:56 PM
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Don’t make the mistake of thinking no college degree equals uneducated. Don’t make the mistake of thinking college degree always equals educated.
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Paw Master [16669]
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I will say that if I didnt have a college degree and was told that
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My tax dollars should go to people who made bad decisions with their college degree, I would be inclined to vote against such policies.
I mean, the idea that I should pay off other people’s debt offends me and I do have a college education (that I paid off).
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Re: I will say that if I didnt have a college degree and was told that
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I don't mind at all. I didn't need loans, but I don't mind. There are all kinds of things I pay for with tax dollars that I am sure I wouldn't support.
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Re: I will say that if I didnt have a college degree and was told that
May 4, 2025, 5:39 PM
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Do you think your tax dollars should go to people who made bad financial and health decisions? Well it does. It’s called Medicaid and food stamps and also extensive Medicare expenses for those who didn’t take care of themselves and now have many chronic health conditions. I’m sure billionaires like Elonia and Trumpty don’t have to worry about that but many needy Americans do.
I don’t care for my tax contributions going to pay for things that don’t benefit me but it’s just the way it is and always will be.
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Paw Master [16669]
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Interesting responses. My response is that I need not object to EVERY use of tax
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Funds that are used to bail out bad decisions before I can object to this one. Second, the question was about why those who don’t have college degrees would be more pro-Trump. This platform (more so the pro-bail out from the Democrats than the anti-bail out of Trump) is an easy example of an absurd policy that would absolutely pull non-college educated people toward Trump.
Obviously there are dozens of reasons why the voting bases vote the way they do. This just seemed like an obvious distinction on platforms that fit in with the OP question.
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I didn't say you need to object to every use of tax funds
May 6, 2025, 7:27 AM
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but someone complaining about funding college education while at the same time advocating for wasteful grift shows your opinion isn't based on logic or merit.
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Paw Master [16669]
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I didnt say I objected to funding college education.
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I said I objected to government bailouts of people who have student debt.
And if we want to dive deeper into that, perhaps a different thread. The point of my post was to provide an example of why those with no college education might support Trump over the Democrats. I realized I offered my personal opinion and probably shouldn’t have.
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Orange Elite [5431]
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The way we fund higher education in this country is by saddling 18-22 year olds
May 10, 2025, 8:45 AM
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with crushing debt.
That's the point you're missing. You're not bailing out students, you're bailing out a failed funding system.
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Paw Master [16669]
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Yes that is the argument Im rejecting.***
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You dont get to reject facts
May 10, 2025, 7:55 PM
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It just means you don’t really understand what you’re saying.
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Paw Master [16669]
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Im okay with you thinking that.***
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That lack of critical thinking is precisely why you get fooled
May 11, 2025, 8:21 AM
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so easily.
But we both know you know you're wrong. You just enjoy the racism, but you can't admit that in public these days.
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Paw Master [16669]
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lol. Im sorry, racism? Do you even know the topic?***
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Paw Master [16669]
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Oh, and yes, I believe the point of your post is that unless I can give the
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correct answer on other examples of what you consider “bail outs”, my opinion on student debt bail outs is invalid. This is a common approach on the Politics Board (I have no doubt I’ve done it). I’m not interested in it. If we want to debate the validity of student debt bailouts that’s fine (again, probably separately from this thread) but I’m not going to provide a thesis on each use of government funds to pass a logical purity test.
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Re: Im not trying to be critical of others education levels
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Education tends to be humbling, and make one more empathetic, worldly, and tolerant. You can understand why the MAGA worldview is antithetical to people with these traits.
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Re: Im not trying to be critical of others education levels
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On average, just a 4-year bachelor's will earn you an extra million in your career, and you will live 7 years longer. But I would say the mortality statistics are held back by the obligatory, "hey watch me do this", as in the last words of a guy who learned physics from coyote and road runner.
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Re: Im not trying to be critical of others education levels
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The Libs of TNet. Incapacitated mentally, the same as the Libs of TikTok!
SMH.
How many of you believe being on the left correlates to lower mental health?
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Re: Im not trying to be critical of others education levels
May 4, 2025, 9:14 PM
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Are you aware who Libs of TikTok is? She is one of your fellow travellers.
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Re: Im not trying to be critical of others education levels
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May 4, 2025, 4:23 PM
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Most men i know love Trump and most kooky leftist I know are women. Not being critical of others but what the heck is that about?
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Legend [6849]
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Thats true
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May 4, 2025, 5:10 PM
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and I’ll post a paper on it.
Interestingly it’s this thoughtful observation of one surroundings that the vast majority of lefties do not do. They just are not programmed that way.
Instead they believe what they read that other people claim to believe. Can’t think for themselves. No Need to think because they already ‘know.’ Blah blah blah.
What’s a measure of intelligence? Who believes the same as what they perceive the largest group thinks? Thats how you commies think.
Do research and write multiple peer reviewed articles that contribute science/understanding to humanity. I’ve done that. Anyone else?
Raised kids absolutely grounded, polite, well rounded, and all w graduate degrees working and paying taxes. I’ve done that? I suspect some others have as well.
Have a 30+ year marriage still going strong. Is that a sign of some sort of intelligence? Seems so.
Full scholarship to ugrad college. Not bad. SATs > 1500 back when it was hard. Probably indicates some intelligence.
C-suite in a billion dollar corporation. Could be meaningful as to intelligence.
LOL
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You and Keowee should get together and show us all whos the most insecure***
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Re: Thats true
May 4, 2025, 9:10 PM
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Where did things go so wrong for you? Was it the questionable practice of eating your own feces?
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You get triggered by holiday cups and Nielsson ratings
May 4, 2025, 9:37 PM
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Anyone who has the stuff you listed doesn't act like that. You're almost as good of a liar as Keowee. Almost.
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Re: You get triggered by holiday cups and Nielsson ratings
May 5, 2025, 8:08 PM
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It can all be true and he can still be an idiot. There aren't many Trumpers with his background, but they do exist.
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Re: Im not trying to be critical of others education levels
May 4, 2025, 5:13 PM
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Women are generally more empathetic? OR maybe women don’t like rapists? OR women don’t like to be grabbed by the pu$$y without consent? Take your pick
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Re: Im not trying to be critical of others education levels
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Women also fall in love with convicted serial killers and write them in prison.
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Tiger Titan [48728]
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I guess now y'all are finally seeing...
May 6, 2025, 7:45 AM
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Why we are baffled y'all love Trump. It's the same as one of those women adoring a serial killer.
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This post is so retarded
May 4, 2025, 8:31 PM
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you could flip the parties/names and it’s all the same. lol. Dolt.
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Tiger Titan [48728]
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Simple answer. They're stupid.
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May 4, 2025, 9:35 PM
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And I'm not talking about the people who simply voted for Trump because they thought he was a better choice. Even those people have exhibited critical thought and realize the problems with Trump and his movement.
The MAGAphiles--the ones who worship him like an NC_Tiger or a Keowee--are simply just stupid people. They show you that on this board. They can't ever admit Trump is wrong and they blindly defend #### that deep down they don't even believe. You're telling me someone who agrees with these tariffs and economic moves understands them? No, they're too stupid to get it, and they're weak-minded, too. NC_Tiger probably can't wipe his own ### without Trump telling him how to do it. Their only ideology is whatever Trump decides, because they are weak, effeminate men who need a strong man to give them hope.
I get it that you were trying to be gentle in this post but they should just be called what they are. Dumb and weak.
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The dims put up no one for POTUS. They kicked Sleepy Joe to the curb and brought
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in "Word Salad".
Is that the best they could offer?
Pretty sad.
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Re: The dims put up no one for POTUS. They kicked Sleepy Joe to the curb and brought
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And anyone who didn't eagerly vote for her is called an uneducated cult member by the kooks on the left. Imagine that.
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Re: The dims put up no one for POTUS. They kicked Sleepy Joe to the curb and brought
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You can actually hear ANY of Trump’s speeches and think Kamala sounds like a word salad?? Jesus Christ, Mary and Joseph! Are you deaf?? Effing unbelievable. Kamala’s a tiger compared to that rambling wreck. You’re in a cult
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Clemson Sports Icon [52777]
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And you're an idiot.
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Please explain how Cumala would be a better POTUS when she can't even talk and came in as a pinch hitter.
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Re: And you're an idiot.
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Wilb she’s a thespian compared to Trump. The audacity to call her “Cumala” when your cheating man ho and other unsavory adjectives is the savior of the Christian movement. That’s a hypocritical view at best and a cult member view at worst. 😏
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Re: And you're an idiot.
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She’s a thespian? What point are you trying to make with that? She’s an actress??
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Tiger Titan [48728]
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A drunk baboon would be a better president right now
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You're in love with the man and are too infatuated with him to see he's a disaster.
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Clemson Sports Icon [52777]
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So are you volunteering for the job?***
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Tiger Titan [48728]
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Should be easy to win, right?
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All I have to do is just behave like a fat fascist and I'll get idiots like you to vote for me.
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She objectively obliterated Trump during their one debate.
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Trump was so afraid of her he refused a second.
It goes to Catahoula's argument that you're just not smart enough to realize the truth.
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Re: The dims put up no one for POTUS. They kicked Sleepy Joe to the curb and brought
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You can actually hear ANY of Trump’s speeches and think Kamala sounds like a word salad?? Jesus Christ, Mary and Joseph! Are you deaf?? Effing unbelievable. Kamala’s a tiger compared to that rambling wreck. You’re in a cult
Said by a man who said he was not trying to be critical of others with his OP. Look in the mirror please.
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Re: The dims put up no one for POTUS. They kicked Sleepy Joe to the curb and brought
May 5, 2025, 11:26 PM
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I’m a woman and I said I wasn’t criticizing education levels not ridiculous comments.
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I would say you suffer from a case of selection bias***
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Re: Im not trying to be critical of others education levels
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how many of you self proclaimed geniuses proclaimed that trump could never win again
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You got me.
I said he would never win again.
I just didn’t think there were that many stupid Americans in this country.
I was wrong. You are correct.
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I think NC Tiger answered the OP’s question when he provided (in this thread) his ten bullet points describing what Trumpers want from Trump.
This is the Trumpers platform. Super simple, easy to digest. Often binary and or based on zero sum logic.
Trump is not remarkably bright, but he is smart enough to deploy basic marketing.
About 10 years ago he identified his target market in the political arena. Simple and gullible are essential to the profile. He feeds them what they want to hear and they gobble it up.
Anybody with a shred common sense knew 40 years ago that Donald Trump didn’t care about other people. Bro is 100% narcissist con artist.
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Re: Im not trying to be critical of others education levels
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What is your people’s problem always talking about who cares about people? That’s such a lame concept that wreaks of virtue signaling. Like you care about people so you want your POTUS to care about people. geez. SMH.
You have no common sense and you’ve been brainwashed by group think.
Do a thought experiment and ask yourself if you believe the same chit that you believed 20 or 30 years ago? I do.
You don’t, because 20 or 30 years ago common sense was more common, but it is not to be found in any thinking from the left these days.
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Re: Im not trying to be critical of others education levels
May 10, 2025, 11:42 PM
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You should read what you posted and tell me you should not get out of the house more.
Find a hobby. Do something. Meet new people.
Your circular gibberish might be comforting for you, but it’s comical for us.😂
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It’s really pretty simple.
Some Trumpers have plenty of intellect but listen to media that consistently omits significant events. Hence they are literally unaware of events that actually occurred. Self-inflicted ignorance.
It’s stunning what Fox News omits fails to report.
And yes, the are plenty of trumpers that are just flat out dumb and or gullible. Long before politics, Trump built his life on lies cons fraud and pure BS. Anybody that worked with him prior to him getting into politics knew this. No American bank has given him a loan since 2001. So he went to the dumb gullible rural Americans asked them for money and it’s been pretty easy. Don’t need to pay it back. Don’t even need to say thanks. Just ask them for more and they send it to him. 😂
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Re: Im not trying to be critical of others education levels
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Who on this board believes the same core principles they believed 20, 30, 40 years ago?
Let's go Libs of TNet - answer the question!
Who believed men should compete against women 40 years ago?
Who believed genders were fluid 40 years ago?
Who believed in unlimited government growth 40 years ago?
Who believed the government was inefficient in nearly everything it did 40 years ago?
Who believed men's and women's bathrooms should be for men and women 40 years ago?
Who believed the con perpetuated by the Democrats against blacks 40 years ago was indeed a con and has the blacks in the same or worse conditions four (five, six) decades later?
Who believed the planet would not freeze in 20 years, 40 years ago?
Who believed the polar ice caps would not melt in 10 years, 20 years ago?
Who believed the moral decay of the left would pollute all of society? It's so bad that 40 years later, 40 percent of young women are labeling themselves LGBTQIA+.
Who believed unlimited and unconditional immigration into the country was a good thing 40 years ago?
Who believed student loans should be forgiven 40 years ago?
Who believed socialism was a very bad thing 40 years ago?
and it goes on and on.
My core beliefs and principles have not changed. If you are a commie Democrat, most certainly yours have changed, and you have been convinced by the echo chamber that your ideas are "progressive" and "good."
History will remember this generation of leftists to be the ones with the most information available and the most unable to process it.
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Orange Immortal [65617]
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Black people can't be racist.
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May 12, 2025, 11:50 AM
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My daughter made the above statement and explained it this way. I (me, ST) only have a 4-year degree. Wife/her mom 2-year degree. Her fiance a 2-year degree. She said, on the other hand, she has a Masters degree in Social Work (MSW), is a mental health counselor, and has studied racism exstensively and is therefore more qualified to have an opinion on this matter. Said she learned in college that Black people cannot be racist. Period, case closed. I disagreed, and pointed out that racism, by definition, is one person believing that one race is inherently superior or inferior, and that black people, or any people can hold those racist beliefs. She said that was wrong, and that in order to be racist, a person had to be a member of a group that was in power and oppressing members of another race who had less power. Said she learned that in college, and had it drilled in during grad school, so her opinion meant more on this subject.
All of us are products of our environment to a large extent, it's normal and unavoidable. As such, we all carry biases. My daughter is extremely bright and sincere, but we disagree on this issue. I believe that anybody can be racist, regardless of color or race. She is a product of an educational system which reflects a social agenda, as well as an environment which supports that agenda. I am a product of a different background, including education and social. I do my best to be as fair and objective as possible. I am a big believer in higher education, but being aware of possible agendas and biases (including your own).
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Paw Warrior [5011]
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Re: Black people can't be racist.
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May 12, 2025, 12:03 PM
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It amazes me how young people often see things through the lens of racism. Many young whites are so sensitize to being labeled racist that it’s just silly. A couple years ago I went to the first round of the NCAA basketball tournament with my 2 college grandsons. On the way out we got on a very packed elevator. There were 2 guys about my age on board and I said to them “I know you guys were basketball players?” They had been. When we got off the elevator the 2 grandsons were horrified and told me I just made the most racist statement they had ever heard. They said “you just asked the only 2 black guys on the elevator if they had been basketball players”. I said “no I just asked the only 2 guys 6’10” guys leaving a tournament if they had been players”. I was stunned. I never saw race , just height. They saw black not height. I learned something g that day about how pathetic our society is becoming.
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Legend [6849]
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100%
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May 12, 2025, 1:03 PM
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The Libs of TNet are horrified of even admitting that statistics exist that clearly show blacks commit violent crime at a rate of 5x to 7x of whites.
The fact that I know and cite that statistic, to them, means I am racist.
I would encourage Smiling Tiger to point out the illogical stance of the daughter. You can't agree with math and algebra (2+2=4, A+B = B+A, if A=B and B=C then A=C, solving equations, etc.) and disavow the field of calculus or vice versa.
Her words and rationale do not follow basic logic. She is in error. If she wants to define a new set of words and a new reality in which they can be evaluated and understood, she can do that. But she cannot and should not be thinking she can force that anti-reality onto my or anyone else's reality.
It's like Newton's law F=ma. It is what it is in our reality - experiment says it is so based on common understanding of terms and definitions used to define our reality. In another universe or dimension, if it exists, F=ma might not hold.
Her problem, like many on the left, could be an application of 'compassion' which has run off the rails.
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Orange Immortal [65617]
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Re: 100%
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May 12, 2025, 2:46 PM
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If she wants to define a new set of words and a new reality in which they can be evaluated and understood, she can do that.
I agree, and that was kind of my point to her, but trust me; she's not redefining anything. It has already been redefined for her (and others her age). That was my over-reaching point. And she did not force anything on me or any of us. It was a very animated discussion at times, but always very respectful. Simply explaining it from my point of view, and illustrating the logical flaws is not enough for somebody who has been taught and convinced otherwise.
I agree with her 100% on the following:
Slavery was wrong and our nation was wrong to the extent they allowed it.
Racism and the subsequent segregation and discrimination that was embraced and allowed for centuries, well after slavery was abolished, was wrong.
All of that is a blight on our history, and we still deal with it's horrific effects today.
My specific point here is, that in spite all of that, Black people, or anybody else, can be racist.
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Paw Warrior [5011]
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Re: 100%
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May 12, 2025, 6:01 PM
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No doubt any race can be racist. The thing that puzzles me is I can talk about race , even joke about our difference , with black friends my age an older. You know, the ones who actually faced discrimination! But you can not do that with the young ones. You know, the ones that have no friggin clue.
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Clemson Conqueror [11543]
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Ask your daughter if it is racist when a light-black admonishes a dark-black
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May 12, 2025, 8:47 PM
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Surely she has thought through the aspects of ‘blackness’ with respect to mixed race background ‘blacks.’
Or maybe she hasn’t.
Where is the ‘black enough -vs- not black enough’ line drawn? I.e., an Obama type black vs a Clarence Thomas type black.
During those rare occasions when I can have a peaceful, rational discussion with a race-virtue-signaling white liberal, I challenge them to be specific about how they define ‘black’ and therefore the amount of societal forgiveness that is owed to a person who is genetically characterized as ‘black.’
Admittedly, these conversations are rare, and usually initiated by a friendly liberal acquaintance that just can’t help themselves by initiating a part of the discussion that is deragotory towards ‘racist Trump’ers.’ Inevitably, they deflect from daring to define their frame of reference because they don’t have a logically credible definition. Instead of such questions stimulating self-reflection, they provoke a defensive response. At that point, I redirect the conversation to non-political / non-social conflictive subjects.
Unambiguous definitions of words are the enemy of liberals and social justice warriors. Without bestowing upon themselves the ‘power’ to arbitrarily define words to support whatever argument that they are trying to make, the liberal social justice warriors’ arguments melt away.
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It's interesting. When you look at the definition of "Racism:,
May 12, 2025, 2:04 PM
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it's as follows (per a Google Search)...
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.
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the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another.
So, where as I would say your definition of racism aligns with either of the above definitions, your daughter's only works for the first definition, and then only if you take the bolded part above as "always" instead of "typically".
It should come as no surprise that any field of study might take a modified definition of a term...to frame it in a useful way for their practitioners. So a psychologist might use your definition because it applies to the thought process of the individual, whereas a sociologist might find the application of racism in a social structure more meaningful, and therefore might lean toward your daughter's definition. And I agree with your view on the term. I also agree with your daughter that her opinion should carry more weight given her six years (?) of study in an arena that covers the topic extensively, but the fact that she can't see this other side of the argument is a pure function of youthful education lacking wisdom (just my opinion and I mean no disrespect!) that comes from age/experience.
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Orange Immortal [65617]
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Re: It's interesting. When you look at the definition of "Racism:,
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May 12, 2025, 2:54 PM
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typically one that is a minority or marginalized.
I think that part has been added over the last 30-40 years to reflect changing ideas about racism.
I think that the horrors of racism are most visibly played out by the powerful oppressing the less powerful. I'm not arguing otherwise. I'm just pointing out that, as a matter of fact, any individual person, or any group of people, can hate people of different races and believe they are superior/inferior due to race alone, and that IS racism.
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Clemson Conqueror [11543]
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Re: It's interesting. When you look at the definition of "Racism:,
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May 12, 2025, 8:51 PM
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Good catch.
Definitions of words are gradually being altered by self-annointed ‘authorities’ that clearly have a social agenda.
If left unchecked and unexposed, it becomes Orwellian:
War is Peace. Peace is War.
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