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Orange Phenom [14922]
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13 commitments a month and half from signing day
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Also this is the year rosters and scholarships move to 105. It doesn't matter how you feel about the portal; we're gonna need to get some players from it this cycle.
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National Champion [8079]
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Re: 13 commitments a month and half from signing day
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Yea the class is shaping up to be a small haul unless we get a few here in the last couple months.
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Clemson Icon [24843]
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Moving up the scholarship numbers doesn't increase the talent pool and it
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doesn't increase the number of talented players who are willing to wait patiently on the bench. It just turns walk ons into scholarship players. Supply and demand.
As Dabo said yesterday, we aren't losing but about 5 seniors and probably no juniors are entering the draft. With 13 commitments, we'll be close to 90 guys on scholarship that we recruited plus the walk ons that get awarded scholarships.
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Orange Phenom [14922]
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And when 0310 state Jawja and Bama add 15 or so transfer guys from G5
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Schools with their 20 new scholarships while we award walk ons scholarships we get further behind.
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National Champion [8071]
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Re: And when 0310 state Jawja and Bama add 15 or so transfer guys from G5
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Schools with their 20 new scholarships while we award walk ons scholarships we get further behind.
Yeah, that's true.
But, players want to play. If you're a good player and you think you have a future in football, you will not want to just be paid NIL money to sit. Why not get NIL money and be able to put some video out for NFL scouts.
Bama, Georgia, Ohio State having these super deep rosters sounds "SCARY" until you look into the mind of a kid who wants "both"!
If those schools are going to provide a kid to "sit the bench" for what Clemson would pay a starting star player - then it might be trouble. But, even then, a player would be getting "hush money" whilst "not putting anything on video" for scouts! Which is a no-no if they have grown accustomed to football providing revenue.
In other words, they will still seek places where they can play. Lots of good players out there and Clemson is not "new to NIL or not a major player in it"! Clemson just doesn't use the portal.
Too many people mix those two things up!
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Clemson Icon [24031]
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In the 80s Clemson stockpiled good players who didn't play much.
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And they kept them off of other team's rosters. I am not saying that strategy will work in this NIL / Portal environment, but it's not going to stop teams from trying.
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Clemson Icon [24843]
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Teams who think the 70s/80s offer any insight into today's college football from
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a roster standpoint are in for a rude awakening.
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Clemson Conqueror [11458]
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Orange Phenom [14922]
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Do you think our roster is as deep as theirs right now? Do you think we're
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As talented and deep as we were in '16 or '18? Do you think we have as many NFL players on our roster as we did 5 years ago or as many as other elite teams do today.
If you do you're just ignorant, that's not hard to tell.
ROTFL or whatever you say when you're trying to sound smart.
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Clemson Conqueror [11458]
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Re: Do you think our roster is as deep as theirs right now? Do you think we're
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I don’t care about the NFL, genius.
That’s not what we’re talking about.
If Clemson is still competing for championships, you’re really special if you’re still going with the stupid “falling behind” narrative.
That has already been discredited.
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Orange Phenom [14922]
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It's been 3 years since we've played in a playoff game; we ain't in the playoffs
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Yet this year. If you don't think that's falling behind you must be one of those everyone gets a participation trophy guys. Collect your little ribbon and head over to Starbies for a PSL.
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Clemson Conqueror [11458]
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LOL
Oct 15, 2024, 2:28 PM
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Obviously you hope Clemson doesn’t make the playoff this year, so you can be correct on your little message board posts.
Don’t let the coaches know that.
They may stop letting you in to take a peek at the recruiting board.
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Orange Phenom [14922]
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Yes obviously you got me I care far more about a message board than
Oct 15, 2024, 2:54 PM
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My team. I dont need to prove my fandom to you. The point you still haven't refuted in spite of your obfuscations is we're gonna need to get guys out of the portal. When Dabo does get some guys this year, because he knows he needs to, whatcha gonna say then?
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110%er [3894]
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Orange Phenom [14922]
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I went to a college that absolutely stunk at football it was called Clemson
Oct 16, 2024, 10:16 PM
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And our coach was a named Tommy West; I know exactly how lucky we are to have Dabo. Troll86 respectfully disagreed that we haven't "fallen behind" the elite teams or our championship teams; we have. That's all; no one said the sky is falling. I'll still be there Saturday in my seat screaming my head off on 3rd down defense.
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It is interesting that Kirby Smart says Georgia has less depth than ever
Oct 15, 2024, 2:30 PM
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this year and that injuries could be a problem.
With Georgia being possibly the best job in the country, you would think having 85 talented players on their roster would be a piece of cake - he can just plug and play.
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Re: Further behind???
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It isn't about this year. With the rule changes, we get 15 more scholarships beginning NEXT year, and moving forward. The point being made is let's try and maximize those extra scholarships with the best players we can attract. Using all of them for walk ons when our competition is maximizing their rosters with quality and depth would not seem to be the best we can do.
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CU Medallion [20640]
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Re: Further behind???
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You can’t realistically add 15 more quality players. Quality players don’t like sitting behind others. This was the problem with 100 plus scholarships years ago.
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Re: And when 0310 state Jawja and Bama add 15 or so transfer guys from G5
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You don't go to 105 schollies till next year. With the players staying, even losing some to the portal, we are likely over the level or right on it. So quit complaining and blaming dabo, this site is becoming a anti Dabo Troll site. What a waste.
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Orange Phenom [14922]
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This is the 2025 recruiting class for the same academic year as new limits
Oct 16, 2024, 10:03 PM
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It's not that hard to figure out. Also this isn't an anti Dabo post you are clearly one of the people who thinks any comment other than everything is awesome is a troll. This is just a black and white recitation of the numbers. We need more bodies period; if you don't like that your problem isnt with me it's with math.
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Clemson Icon [24843]
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I doubt we lose 5 players this offseason. Given how much better we are this
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year than anybody expected, I like our chances of finding a few more diamonds in the next few months to effectively trade up. Dabo and staff excel at finding guys.
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Re: 13 commitments a month and half from signing day
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Rosters don't move to 105 until July 1. As Dabo said in his presser, only have 12 scholarship seniors, and 8 can return. So until summer, still working under this year's rules
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Hopefully Dabo sees this post.
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@ daboswinney
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Clemson Icon [24031]
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hahah.
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A good joke, and an even better deflection. Cheers!
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I dont think you know the definition of deflection.***
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Re: Hopefully Dabo sees this post.
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Dabo only looks at the posts that I recommend.
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CU Medallion [20890]
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It seems like our '25 number has been targeted at 17 max for this class
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from early on.
It definitely flies in the face of many narratives that we're always a younger team due to not portaling like others yet our HS class sizes are smaller annually than just about every single major competitive program out there.
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Re: It seems like our '25 number has been targeted at 17 max for this class
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Speaks to our retention.
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Seems like high schoolers just don't care that Dabo is willing to develop...
Oct 15, 2024, 1:25 PM
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..players instead of replacing them on the roster at the drop of a hat.
I thought that not using the portal would boost our HS recruiting. That's just not happening like I thought it would / should.
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CU Medallion [20890]
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You should check out our average player rating on the HS front.
Oct 15, 2024, 2:32 PM
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We're consistently Top 10 there, as we are for the '25 class.
We don't have room in this upcoming class for many more, in large part due to the opposite of what you're saying about HS kids not choosing to come here for development in our program. We have almost 3x the number of Redshirts throughout the classes than we do those true to their class. For this coming class - they can't come if we don't have the room, and we do not have the room.
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Agreed!
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We're consistently Top 10 there, as we are for the '25 class.
We don't have room in this upcoming class for many more, in large part due to the opposite of what you're saying about HS kids not choosing to come here for development in our program. We have almost 3x the number of Redshirts throughout the classes than we do those true to their class. For this coming class - they can't come if we don't have the room, and we do not have the room.
Agreed! 100%
wildblulou® I really don't think people understand - "When Clemson dominated CFB for what a 7 year period strong; either making the playoffs or making it and winning it" we never had a composite #1 class. Not even close!
In 2016, we had the composite #11 overall class! As long as we continue to pick our spots and get "some-high-end-talent" to mix with very talented under-valued players who we can develop(which is what has worked) Clemson will be fine.
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Orange Phenom [14922]
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Were currently 19th thats a pretty good distance from 11th
Oct 15, 2024, 7:45 PM
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with only 13 coming in you can’t miss on anyone and you don’t have a lot of bodies to develop
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CU Medallion [20890]
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We are 8th in Average Star rating - our wheelhouse.
Oct 15, 2024, 7:54 PM
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And you have to love this - with only 17 max we're getting older than just about everyone who matters ahead of us in those incoming numbers, some by a lot. And they're OUR older, not someone else's.
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Orange Phenom [14922]
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You keep harping on the average ranking like it's the most important factor
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It's not everything. Sure quality is better than just quantity; but you gotta have some quantity. Football is a violent dangerous sport 13 roster additions is not enough; we have to augment that number in the portal. Also what do you think is gonna happen to that average ranking if the staff signs 3 or 4 guys who were fallback choices and aren't rated as highly?
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CU Medallion [20890]
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Geech my main man. There isn't any room at the Inn for what you want here.
Oct 15, 2024, 9:05 PM
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For now it's 85, and our current and leaving and incoming just doesn't allow this stock the roster with more more more here. It's not a failure to bring them in - there just isn't much room this time around. They've been extra selective to boot and are going to keep on the quality side and max out the numbers.
There will be surprises and Dabo will likely look portal in some areas if the rooms want it. I wouldn't be surprised for us to see a few come in. If he offers the spot is open to commit to.
Go Tigers! Beat the Hoos!
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Orange Phenom [14922]
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That's just not true.
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1st show me how at 85 scholarships we only have room for 13 signees. We've had one class that small in decades.
2nd we go to 105 at the start of the new athletic year on July 1st, this is before the start of the academic year. There will be 20 additional grant in aid agreements available to be signed by new players before we even begin camp. If we don't get players from high school or the portal to fill those slots the only thing to do is put walkons on scholarship. Do you believe the other elite teams we are competing with are gonna use most of those scholarships on walkons?
We definitely agree on one thing: Go Tigers!
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Here you go - do the math and read the bios like many
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Others have https://www.tigernet.com/view/scholarships/football.do Not that hard to figure out who is exhausting eligibility and who isn’t. We have about 8 or 9 guys exhausting eligibility. Sure we will have a handful that decide to move on with eligibility but this class will be small. On the 105, do you really think that’s going to be filled by anyone other than walk one the first few years. Dabo is not going to make any current walkons give up football or be forced to transfer so he can fill a 85-105 slot that will never see a meaningful snap with a recruited HS or transfer. Once the current pool attritions out then he’ll either take low level transfers or 2 star/ walkon type players and that’s what you are going to still have for a 5 deep that only gets mop time if that
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Dabo's "Dandy Baker's Dozen"***
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Re: 13 commitments a month and half from signing day
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I just don't see this years class getting above 15 or 16 max.
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Re: 13 commitments a month and half from signing day
Oct 15, 2024, 1:27 PM
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Sounds like you were in the football office this morning and got a good look at their recruiting board.
That’s really cool!
Can you share with us what you saw?
Of course you can’t give away too many insider secrets. But you can throw some crumbs to the peasants, ya know.
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Orange Phenom [14922]
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All it takes is an active internet connection to see this class is behind where
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We have been in the last decade and where are competitors currently are. I'll send you an AOL cd rom and you can get yourself some of that sweet dial up action.
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Re: All it takes is an active internet connection to see this class is behind where
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You’ve resorted to making an imaginary insult of my internet connection?
That’s weird.
Do you demand to see my medical records, too?
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Orange Phenom [14922]
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Cool you've got nothing to say about the OP because the facts are clear***
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Except you did not state a fact.***
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Orange Phenom [14922]
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Sure the average ranking is still good but the count of commits hasnt been this
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low since Dabo’s first dandy dozen after they took the interim tag off. We’re gonna need to get guys from the portal there’s no two ways about it.
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CU Medallion [20890]
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We're 3 and a half months from this '25 class wrapping up.
Oct 16, 2024, 9:33 PM
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We still have our Antonio Williams, Tyler Brown, Khalil Barnes, Isaah Simmons, Travis Etienne style pickups ahead. No worries, Mon. Dabo got this.
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Many other coaches over sign, and then tell kids to leave after spring practice to make the numbers work. I like Dabo's way, tell them where they stand, what they need to work on, and then encourage them to stay.
I guess we will see how the 105 works out.
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Re: 13 commitments a month and half from signing day
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Does this have something to do with the 105 player limit that goes into affect July 1st? The Tigers only have 2 or so players that can't come back. Others will leave but as Dabo said today, they are in the process of managing the team now rather than wait until July 1st. Spring Practice will be the end for many.
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Danny Pearman may actually have to do some work this cycle other than finding a graduate assistants who never see the field. Maybe this upcoming cycle, Dabo will finally use the portal for some key positions. It’s that or raid Daniel High School.
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I saw where with Adams's 5th star, we are #7 in stars per commit! Just need about 3 more good commits!
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Re: 13 commitments a month and half from signing day
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In this new age what the he"" is a commitment. 'They is all free agents now' Bad deal, not enough pt, ugly cheerleaders, man I'm out of here, FSU will pay me MO!
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Re: 13 commitments a month and half from signing day
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Not really. We don’t need many this cycle. We have way more than 105 counting walk ons. We do need to find a Qb. But are fine if we don’t.
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