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TNET: Former NFL star doesn't see same Clemson, says Tigers 'back to the pack' in ACC
Aug 11, 2022, 2:18 PM
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Insert the usual responses:
Aug 11, 2022, 2:23 PM
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"This should go on the bulletin board."
"Don't doubt Dabo."
"We do better when we're the underdog."
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Top TigerNet [30790]
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My response is they will just need to prove him wrong.
Aug 11, 2022, 2:25 PM
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Simple as that.
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I hope we can win 2 or 3 games this year after hearing that
Aug 11, 2022, 4:06 PM
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"Just give me the d@mn ball" Johnson must think our roster is a bunch of slapd!cks  .
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Re: I hope we can win 2 or 3 games this year after hearing that
Aug 11, 2022, 4:29 PM
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Keyshawn was a great receiver, with good grammar!
Nobody ever accused him if being smart or a good judge of talent……
Go Tigers, Wreck Tech!
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Dang! I could have saved a lot of typing time
Aug 11, 2022, 2:29 PM
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if I had only seen this before I made my comment.
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Actually disappointed in your response Judge...
Aug 11, 2022, 3:44 PM
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I know you love basketball and tolerate football but your response smacks of someone who has "had his feelings hurt" because most folks like football better. I'd like to see Clemson do well in everything. As for this story, I'd listen to someone like Herbstreit or Brett McMurphy or a few other folks that seem to know what they are talking about. Keyshawn, Finebaum, Fowler and several others are not in that camp as far as I'm concerned. If I had known the "NFL Star" was Keyshawn I wouldn't have clicked. I don't see why Finebaum is on here so much, he'll change his "opinion" on something next week if it suits his fans.
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Tiger Titan [47407]
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I love Clemson football.
Aug 11, 2022, 4:11 PM
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What I don’t love are overly sensitive Clemson football fans. Who cares if someone doesn’t think our team will win it all this year? Who cares if someone doesn’t think Dabo is the best coach? Everything doesn’t have to be some personal insult that causes anger and hatred toward whomever said it.
We should be very proud of what we have, as our football program is a model worth emulating. However, along with that should be the realization that our program/coaches/players aren’t perfect nor should everyone else think that they are.
I’m fine with our fans liking football more than basketball. I would never expect otherwise, but the excessive homerism when it comes to Clemson football borders on obsession for some. I personally don’t think that’s healthy.
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Freshman [-74]
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I mean seriously, do you not see the irony with
Aug 11, 2022, 4:52 PM
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"Overly sensitive"
You cannot be serious!
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POST OF THE YEAR!!!!
Aug 11, 2022, 6:12 PM
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Mrs. Judge K. Brownell is splattered all over the windshield with this one. ☠️☠️☠️
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Freshman [-74]
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Do you agree with Keyshawn Johnson?
Aug 11, 2022, 4:53 PM
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Yes or No?
What do you think our regular season W/L will be?
Do something other than troll, please.
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Dynasty Maker [3265]
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Sorry, I can't seriously answer your post . . .
Aug 12, 2022, 9:45 AM
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I'm too busy laughing at the pic of Biden falling up the stairs!!
0% Inflation!!! Bwwaaaahahahahahaha!!!
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National Champion [7587]
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Keller u have turned into a parrot brother!
Aug 12, 2022, 2:04 AM
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Pollyanna wanna cracker? For real overtly sensitive. We are called fans right? And I'm a bigger Clemson basketball fan in my pinky than u r in ur whole life. U really believe the stuff u say and thats cool bro. But Clemson fans taking up for their team is real. We have serious big boy recruiting, preseason top 4 coaches early. Ranked top 7 recruiting by everyone.
And the list goes on.
So yeah we are allowed to merit some animosity to anyone tom Harry #### that takes a squat on the team.
But don't u worry, I heard Brownell pulled in a 3 star that will shoot atleast 10 percent from the field fir the 3 games he plays his last year if eligibility.!
Go in with ur crap man.
Im gonna give a u few mercy tus
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How exactly did he "take a squat" on our team?
Aug 12, 2022, 12:03 PM
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He said that he doesn't think we have as much NFL talent as we have in the past. That is not an unreasonable opinion. Do you see the same caliber of talent, especially on the offensive side of the ball? Because I don't.
He talked about how hard it can be to recover from losing longtime coordinators who have contributed to that success. I don't think that's unreasonable either. We saw a drop-off after losing Jeff Scott. It's not unreasonable to think that losing Venables and Elliott might have an impact.
The reaction some people here had to Keyshawn's comments was pretty dramatic. This notion that any opinion of Clemson which is less than glowing is some personal insult, anti-Clemson agenda, or conspiracy to hurt Clemson is baffling to me.
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Re: Actually disappointed in your response Judge...
Aug 14, 2022, 8:32 AM
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Keyshawn made some valid points about Scott and Elliot's recruiting in South Florida. What he missed is how Clemson is now recruiting Texas, and other parts of the country. The Paw is recognized coast to coast. Nick Eason has already pulled talent from under Bama's nose. We're still getting talent out of Ohio. The sky is far from falling.
Just look how many new coaches out there, are trying to duplicate what Dabo has built.
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Re: Insert the usual responses:
Aug 11, 2022, 3:57 PM
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Yes BUT, people say the weirdest chit to try and make what they're saying right. I'll say this, if anybody, and I don't care who they are, if they don't believe that that is a huge majority of Dabo/Clemson haters in and around college FB. And I will tell them that if they doubt that, just look at all the Coordinators that Saban has lost since He and Dabo have been leading the pack in college FB. You never hear these same people that have been so negative about Dabo/Clemson since Dabo started winning at a high level, they have never been negative about Saban/Bama. Even when Bama loses both coordinators in the same year, they can't wait to say that Saban/Bama will be right back in the play off the season.
Now lets look at how they have treated Kirby Smart and UGA, well it's just like they treat Saban/Bama, and Dabo/Clemson has had a better record, they have been in the playoff twice as many times as UGA/Kirby Plus, Dabo has won two National Championships against the very same team that has kept Kirby and UGA out of the playoffs, and out of the NCG. So tell me that isn't bias hate towards Dabo and his Clemson teams. Anybody that denies the bias hate for Dabo/Clemson isn't looking, and they flat out refuse to look bc they know what the truth is, and won't admit it, they would rather lie about it before actually admitting that Dabo has done a H&ll of a good job at Clemson over the past 10 years, and they will "look" for any reason to discredit him, unlike the way they do with Saban/Bama, Kirby/UGA!!!
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Oh well, it was fun while it lasted. Keyshawn said so!!
Aug 11, 2022, 4:05 PM
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Might as well shutter the football team and dump all the funds in BBall so we might actually win the NIT.
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Tiger Titan [47407]
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No, please go right ahead and be mad at Keyshawn Johnson
Aug 11, 2022, 4:13 PM
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for daring to doubt our team or share his own observations and opinions which might not be glowing.
I would accept nothing less from fans who are upset that a recent preseason poll ranked us “only” fourth in the country after finishing last year outside the top 10.
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Fans are upset that we're ranked fourth preseason?
Aug 11, 2022, 4:21 PM
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Guess I missed that.
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Welllll - he makes stuff COMPLETELY up, so there's that.***
Aug 11, 2022, 4:56 PM
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Legend [6912]
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Not mad at Keyshawn, don’t really care what he says
Aug 11, 2022, 5:21 PM
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Don’t care for the mocking of other Clemson fans by a “fan” who says, “I love Clemson football”, but continues to knock the program and others opinions of it. As others have pointed out, it is quite ironic to call other fans “overly sensitive” with “excessive homerism that borders on obsession”.
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The level of anger here when Finebaum, Keyshawn Johnson, or any other analyst
Aug 11, 2022, 9:16 PM
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says something less than glowing about Clemson is so predictable, to the point of it being humorous.
This echo chamber some of you have created here is quite the spectacle.
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Re: The level of anger here when Finebaum, Keyshawn Johnson, or any other analyst
Aug 12, 2022, 6:43 AM
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Only taking exception to the inaccuracy of Keyshawn’s comment… He points the finger directly at recruiting. We seem to be doing just fine in that category.
And look in the mirror and stop hating on Clemson fans for expecting more from the football program than the basketball program - it’s justified, unfortunately, and we all want the same level of success from both.
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Not sure what your comment about looking in the mirror
Aug 12, 2022, 12:05 PM
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is supposed to mean.
I don't have a problem with Clemson fans expecting more from football than basketball. I expect more from Clemson football too, which is why some of the opinions here about Clemson football aren't unreasonable.
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Re: The level of anger here when Finebaum, Keyshawn Johnson, or any other analyst
Aug 12, 2022, 11:19 PM
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Dude u r literally a poser. I'm sure you have accounts and go to all kinds of forums and act condescending with a hint of passive aggression. No one cares what that dude says. He got his name in the news. If u wouldn't have acted so sadly about bashing real Clemson fans then no one would recognize you.
Please just go. U clog up post with the dumbest chit! Geez brother
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Hopefully he'll have to eat his words.
Aug 11, 2022, 4:57 PM
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Go Tigers!!! Let's run the table in '22!!!
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Question...Do you feel any of those things are untrue?
Aug 12, 2022, 9:03 AM
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If so, which ones and why.
If not, why are those not valid responses to someone questioning one of the most consistent programs of the last decade? Do you not think last year was an anomaly?
Your infatuation with being negative towards our football program and fan base is ridiculous and borderline obsessive.
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Successful programs lose assistants to head coach positions
Aug 11, 2022, 2:28 PM
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Fact.
When Alabama loses 7 assistants and has 12 players drafted in one season, ESPN shrugs it off as a reload and automatically ranks them #1. Because Nick is really good and has a great group of coaches on the bench ready to keep momentum going.
Apparently we can't do that because...
Well, I don't know what the because is.
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It's because they hate Clemson.
Aug 11, 2022, 2:34 PM
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Did I do that right?
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Orange Elite [5286]
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Re: It's because they hate Clemson.
Aug 11, 2022, 2:36 PM
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I dunno. Ask Judge Keller
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We can’t do it because…
Aug 11, 2022, 4:43 PM
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we didn’t do it last year.
Didn’t make the playoffs. Didn’t win our conference. Didn’t even win our division. Didn’t finish the season in the top 10.
We didn’t reload last year.
We lost 3 games last year. When is the last time Alabama did that? Answer: 2010
We finished outside the top 10 last year (14th AP, 16th Coaches). When is the last time Alabama finished outside the top 10? Answer: 2010.
So yeah, they have reason to view Alabama differently than us.
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Yeah because making 6 straight playoffs then
Aug 11, 2022, 4:58 PM
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having an anomaly season points to falling into the pack?
Do you think this is accurate? Stop trolling good Clemson people when you're being an astronomical hypocrite.
How do you think we'll do this year? Try and be constructive for once. Trolling football to make you feel better about basketball is dumb.
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Orange Elite [5286]
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How did Alabama do in 2011?
Aug 12, 2022, 7:41 AM
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And did the experts say that they would be back in the SEC pack after the 2010 season?
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Re: Successful programs lose assistants to head coach positions
Aug 14, 2022, 6:27 PM
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It's because bama has repeatedly proved they can lose coaches and keep on trucking. Clemson has not proved it yet, thus the doubters. Hopefully we get back to the playoff.
As far as hating Clemson...please, Clemson gets a ton of air time when they're good. No one gets airtime when they're not good. Also, it seems every fan base has a few fans who think the world is out to get them....it's just not true.
If Clemson wins every game by 30, we'll be back in the headlines.
Heck, I would doubt other teams besides bama, that have lost a lot of coaches.
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Re: TNET: Former NFL star doesn't see same Clemson, says Tigers 'back to the pack' in ACC
Aug 11, 2022, 2:34 PM
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This is laughably false… barring injuries, these dudes are pretty much locks to be on NFL rosters…
QB: DJ, Cade
RB: Pace, Shipley, Mafah
WR: Ngata, EJ, Beaux
TE: Davis, Briningstool
OL: McFadden, Parks, Putnam
DE: XT, KJ, Mascoll, Myles
DT: Davis, Ruke, Bresee, Tre
LB: Simpson, Carter, Trotter Jr
CB: Nate
S: Mukuba
There will be a lot more. But these are the ones that we can go ahead and book.
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Re: TNET: Former NFL star doesn't see same Clemson, says Tigers 'back to the pack' in ACC
Aug 11, 2022, 2:35 PM
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I beg to differ with DJ. He could end up on a roster but it won't be playing QB.
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Re: TNET: Former NFL star doesn't see same Clemson, says Tigers 'back to the pack' in ACC
Aug 11, 2022, 3:12 PM
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Can’t wait for you to be proven wrong.
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Re: TNET: Former NFL star doesn't see same Clemson, says Tigers 'back to the pack' in ACC
Aug 12, 2022, 3:50 PM
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I would love to be wrong but I won't. As long as we can run the ball we will be fine. If DJ has to win it with his arm then we will not win. Keep soaking up that orange sunshine though.
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Re: TNET: Former NFL star doesn't see same Clemson, says Tigers 'back to the pack' in ACC
Aug 12, 2022, 10:37 AM
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I have a strong feeling the majority of the DJ doubters are gonna be deleting a bunch of posts and comments after this season and denying they ever doubted him while the others will be willing to eat crow. Which one will you be?
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Re: TNET: Former NFL star doesn't see same Clemson, says Tigers 'back to the pack' in ACC
Aug 13, 2022, 2:28 AM
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I would absolutely love to come on here and say I was totally wrong. My eyeballs tell me otherwise. I keep having the feeling that DJ was really more injured last year than we thought. Hope he has a record setting year.
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Re: TNET: Former NFL star doesn't see same Clemson, says Tigers 'back to the pack' in ACC
Aug 11, 2022, 3:38 PM
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Little iffy with the WR to be honest. Not that they aren't super talented, but I'm not sure one of them cracks the top three on any team 2011-2020.
Hopkins, Watkins, Humphries, Jaron Brown, Martavis Bryant, Charone Peake
Mike Williams, Artavis Scott, Hunter Renfrow, Deon Cain, Ray-Ray McCloud
Tee Higgins, Justyn Ross, Amari Rodgers, Cornell Powell
All the big names here flashed before they were Juniors or Seniors
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You were doing good until you mentioned Cornell Powell
Aug 11, 2022, 4:36 PM
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He is probably our prime example of a guy who absolutely waited until his last season to shine.
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I believe Dabo also said that Kyle Parker would play in the NFL.
Aug 11, 2022, 9:22 PM
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Not doubting that Ngata is very talented, but I’m not buying that he’s more talented that some of our truly elite WRs we have had.
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Re: I believe Dabo also said that Kyle Parker would play in the NFL.
Aug 12, 2022, 11:37 AM
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I don't know if that is true. But, Parker chose baseball instead, which makes that point irrelevant. There's no way of knowing if he would have made it to the NFL or not.
Also, why is it hard to believe that Ngata is more talented than the other WRs we've had? He was very highly recruited. He has great size and was physically ready when he stepped on campus. National recruiting experts projected him as a future 1st round pick and compared him to Michael Thomas from the Saints. We just haven't seen him healthy. But he certainly has all the tools.
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It's not a knock on Ngata. He is obviously really talented.
Aug 12, 2022, 12:11 PM
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It's just hard to imagine him being more talented than guys like Sammy Watkins, Mike Williams, etc.
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Re: Ngata isn't even a lock to play a full season, and EJ barely
Aug 11, 2022, 5:35 PM
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I stated “barring injuries”
If Ngata has a healthy season, he’s getting drafted. If he doesn’t, I doubt a team takes that risk. EJ was phenomenal his freshman year. If he stays healthy too, he’s another NFL lock.
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EJ was phenomenal? 24 catches for 306 and 2 TDs is
Aug 11, 2022, 6:13 PM
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phenomenal?
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Some of these people are delusional.***
Aug 11, 2022, 9:23 PM
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Re: Some of these people are delusional.***
Aug 12, 2022, 11:46 AM
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Some of us understand football more than others. We don't have to rely on stats during a COVID year to tell us who's good or not.
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Okay, so based on our talent level
Aug 12, 2022, 12:13 PM
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how many games should we expect to win this year?
For that matter, how many should we have expected to win last year?
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Re: Okay, so based on our talent level
Aug 12, 2022, 1:34 PM
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We should expect to win the conference this year. Even with a more difficult schedule, we should be favored in every game if we can manage to stay healthy. We will have a top 5 defense and our offense should be a lot better this year. Clemson would have gone 12-0 with a top 25 offense last year. It's not unrealistic to expect us to have a top 25 offense this year.
We should have expected to win the conference last year too. Injuries prevented that from happening. 35% of our scholarship players missed time last year. Most teams don't make a bowl game if they had that happen to them.
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Some have theorized that the fact we had many injuries...
Aug 12, 2022, 1:45 PM
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last year is actually evidence that recruiting has fallen off. In other words, recruiting players that end up injured is a product of poor player evaluation.
Do you share the view that last season's injuries are the result of poor player evaluation/recruiting?
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Re: Some have theorized that the fact we had many injuries...
Aug 12, 2022, 2:02 PM
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That makes zero rational sense. How can a coach evaluate whether or not a player will be prone to injuries when they get to college? How can you look at a WR in high school and think "we can't take him because he's going to tear his ACL at some point"? That's just ridiculous.
I will admit that I was disappointed by the 2022 class. I believe all of us should be disappointed with that class. 2020 was ranked 3rd and 2021 was ranked 5th. The 22' class was not an elite class. Anyone who argues otherwise is wrong. Did we sign elite players that have future 1st round potential? Obviously. By all indications so far, we hit homeruns with Klubnik, Randall, Antonio, Blake Miller, Lukus, and Pride. But the class as a whole is not elite.
I desperately want to remain an elite program. And if we aren't going to utilize the transfer portal, we better sign elite recruiting classes every year. Outside of RB, I am very excited about the 23' class. Bama, UGA, and Ohio State will cover up their holes with the portal. Clemson has not shown the willingness to do so. Which means our player evaluation has to be the best in the country.
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I agree with you regarding injuries and recruiting.***
Aug 12, 2022, 10:38 PM
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Please answer JK...
Aug 12, 2022, 12:29 PM
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He needs you to say that we...
A) Have great talent, so he can say the coaches must have really underperformed last year, resulting in a 10-3 season.
or
B) Our talent level was down, so he can point to a drop off in recruiting even though we have top 10 resources, resulting in a 10-3 season.
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National Champion [7453]
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Re: Please answer JK...
Aug 12, 2022, 1:41 PM
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It's hard to take someone serious if they don't account for the sheer amount of injuries that we dealt with last year. Recruiting did take a dip last year. I was very critical of the class and of Spiller's ability as a recruiter. But we also lost Venables, Elliot, and we didn't make the playoffs or win the conference (due to injuries). The 2023 class looks good as of right now. And we still have more pieces to add. I think we'll be okay.
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I absolutely agree that injuries impacted our season last year.
Aug 12, 2022, 10:33 PM
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However, injuries were not the reason why we lost to Georgia, NC State, and Pitt. We lost those games due to the talent we had not performing as well as they should’ve. You can decide if that was due to poor evaluations in recruiting, subpar player development, bad schematic approach, or simply poor player execution - or a combination of all of those.
I actually thought our coaching was the best last year in the second half of the season, which is coincidentally when injuries had really taken their toll. Finishing the season so well was a testament to our coaching. It was a great recovery from our relatively poor first half of the season, when I personally felt the coaching left a lot to be desired.
I agree that we are putting ourselves at a disadvantage by essentially not using the transfer portal. That, plus our insistence that we offer a player and wait for him to decide, is how we end up with extra scholarships that need to be urgently filled. Insert coaches’ kids, kids of college roommates, etc.
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Re: I absolutely agree that injuries impacted our season last year.
Aug 12, 2022, 11:49 PM
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Precisely which kid of a college roommate would you like to talk sh*t about? Hard to imagine you mean the one still on an NFL roster, but I wouldn’t put it past you.
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Re: EJ was phenomenal? 24 catches for 306 and 2 TDs is
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I assume you actually watched our games that year. EJ was phenomenal. Rewatch the ACC Championship game against Notre Dame. That one handed catch on the sidelines... How many college WRs make that play? Stats aren't everything. We're talking about a freshman who came in during COVID and had less preseason time to develop and go through installation. What did your eyes tell you when he was out there?
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Why? DJ is also phenomenal, he had two good games in a covid
Aug 12, 2022, 1:38 PM
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I bet a Cheeseburger don't go as far with Keyshawn......
Aug 11, 2022, 2:34 PM
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The Socratic method
Aug 11, 2022, 2:40 PM
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is a method of hypothesis elimination, in that better hypotheses are found by steadily identifying and eliminating those that lead to contradictions.
Seems that Keyshawn does not subscribe to this method, or he would realize the contradictions in his logic that coaching turnover leads to poor play while touting Bama. Has there been a program with more turnover over the last ten years than Bama? His logic does not make sense, but I am comparing Keyshawn Johnson to a great thinker. My bad.
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Re: TNET: Former NFL star doesn't see same Clemson, says Tigers 'back to the pack' in ACC
Aug 11, 2022, 2:49 PM
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I think his comments are reasonable and expected with staff change. Do we have any NFL talent at WR, for example?. I sure hope so, but the guys have to go prove it.
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Re: TNET: Former NFL star doesn't see same Clemson, says Tigers 'back to the pack' in ACC
Aug 11, 2022, 3:37 PM
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Based upon star ranking we have 92 stars among are projected starters. That is more than any other team in the country. Texas am 91, Ohio state 89, Georgia 88, bama 85.
It’s a ridiculous take. Clemson‘s recruiting has been completely fine. Most of his argument comes down to the fact that DJ did not play as well as most of us at hoped last year. But based off the way he played as a freshman everyone assumed he was going to be amazing. Maybe he still will be. But they act like we’re done just because of one bad year of quarterback play. It’s ridiculous. The same thing happened when Kelly Bryant played quarterback.
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So you’re saying that we are the most talented team in the country?***
Aug 11, 2022, 4:47 PM
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Re: So you’re saying that we are the most talented team in the country?***
Aug 12, 2022, 10:43 AM
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That’s not at all what I’m saying. He clearly stated that he doesn’t see NFL talent at all positions like he did before for Clemsons. He elaborates on that point explaining that Clemson has lost lots of its assistant coaches and says how many of these coaches were heavily involved recruiters. The clear implication is that Clemson is not as loaded with NFL talent because recruiting has slacked off. That’s clearly false. Clemson is still recruiting at a very high level.
However, I do indeed think Clemson has one of the most talented teams in the country. Top 5 at least. I think total overall defensive talent is bette right now than it may have been in some of those championship years. Obviously those front 4 were legendary, but we have some pretty amazing defensive lineman right now too. The linebackers and secondary seem more talented to me right now. Obvious proven alexandre and Mullen may outright be best but overall stable of secondary talent is good right now. The only clear back step is at WR to me. We can go back and forth on QB. We had generational talents in Watson and Lawrence. Most teams would kill to see a QB like either in decades. But we have two extremely highly rated QBs on roster right at this moment and Vizina coming in. That’s stacking talent. No team has amazing QBs year after year. Maybe DJ will surprise this year. If not maybe the new guy pops in like Watson and Lawrence did.
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Game Changer [1893]
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Re: TNET: Former NFL star doesn't see same Clemson, says Tigers 'back to the pack' in ACC
Aug 11, 2022, 2:55 PM
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Our boys are sick of all this talk. How many cans of whipz- we got ? Gonna open em all
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Re: TNET: Former NFL star doesn't see same Clemson, says Tigers 'back to the pack' in ACC
Aug 11, 2022, 3:01 PM
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Everyone has a right to their opinion. He may be correct but we will find out over the next six months.
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If he has to go back to the old USC for
Aug 11, 2022, 3:08 PM
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comparisons, I am not listening.
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Re: TNET: Former NFL star doesn't see same Clemson, says Tigers 'back to the pack' in ACC
Aug 11, 2022, 3:08 PM
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Alas, I missed those pleasant fall days filled with loud-mouth doubters and being on "upset alert" every week. Nice to be "back in pack" where we belong. *That was sarcasm. Now, crank up the dang ROY bus and go kickazz Tigers!
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Re: TNET: Former NFL star doesn't see same Clemson, says Tigers 'back to the pack' in ACC
Aug 11, 2022, 3:10 PM
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Don't pay much attention to quitters!
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Re: TNET: Former NFL star doesn't see same Clemson, says Tigers 'back to the pack' in ACC
Aug 11, 2022, 3:15 PM
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Who cares what that racist thinks.
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He’s probably still mad about the 58-0 and the ACCCG games***
Aug 11, 2022, 3:17 PM
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Re: He’s probably still mad about the 58-0 and the ACCCG games***
Aug 11, 2022, 5:54 PM
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Huh? Why? Key wasn't a Miami guy.
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Re: TNET: Former NFL star doesn't see same Clemson, says Tigers 'back to the pack' in ACC
Aug 11, 2022, 3:17 PM
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Though I disagree with him his reasoning is sound. Coordinators are hard to replace for most coaches not named Saban. Scott and Venables are big losses, but I think Grisham and Wes will do fine.
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Re: TNET: Former NFL star doesn't see same Clemson, says Tigers 'back to the pack' in ACC
Aug 11, 2022, 3:21 PM
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So, Tony was responsible for getting the IMG players. Is this why we are no longer involved with them? Didn't two commits from there leave after we lost Brent and Tony? Does anyone have any details?
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Clemson Icon [27622]
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There IS a lot
Aug 11, 2022, 3:32 PM
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Riding on this opening game ..... just as there was last year. Our Tigers need to come out swinging on Labor Day and put this kind of nonsense to rest. GT is NOT going to be a cinch win and Dabo knows this. Nothing could be better for Clemson that a good ole’ 49 - 0 game in Atlanta. I am not predicting that score btw,
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Re: TNET: Former NFL star doesn't see same Clemson, says Tigers 'back to the pack' in ACC
Aug 11, 2022, 3:49 PM
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Who...
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Re: TNET: Former NFL star doesn't see same Clemson, says Tigers 'back to the pack' in ACC
Aug 11, 2022, 3:49 PM
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Keyshawn is still mad because Dabo didn’t offer his kid a few years back. Go eat another Double whopper
Keyshawn. GO TIGERS!
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This is what I’m thinking too ... I remember his visit.***
Aug 11, 2022, 4:38 PM
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You’re correct. He ended up at Nebraska.
Aug 12, 2022, 9:06 AM
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We settled for Tee Higgins and Amari Rogers.
Makes you wonder just how hard we recruited young Keyshawn? Not hard enough to suit his famous dad?
Nebraska seems like a weird destination for him and he appears to have pretty much disappeared there.
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Tiger Titan [47407]
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Did Keyshawn say that he's mad at Clemson?
Aug 12, 2022, 12:17 PM
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I have seen several posts here saying that he must've said what he did about us because he's mad that we didn't recruit his son harder. Is there any basis to that?
Or does it just make some people here feel better to think that his comments weren't genuine?
Crazy thought, maybe Keyshawn isn't mad at Dabo and doesn't have a bone to pick with Clemson, and actually believes what he said this week?
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110%er [3625]
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Re: TNET: Former NFL star doesn't see same Clemson, says Tigers 'back to the pack' in ACC
Aug 11, 2022, 3:50 PM
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Its all up to our O.....I mean QB.
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Re: TNET: Former NFL star doesn't see same Clemson, says Tigers 'back to the pack' in ACC
Aug 11, 2022, 3:51 PM
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Sorry guys but Keyshawn may be right. Consistency is so important and that is why this is a huge year for us. We are not even close to WRU, not close to a 1st round QB, unproven at backer and needless to say looking for studs on the OL. We do have great DL and DE guys and they will have to carry the defense that has to carry the team. The young talent is there and the coaches have to develop it. Florida recruiting is huge and the loss of Jeff and Brad Scott have really slowed our roll there and that is where the speed is. I know many will say Brad Scott was not an important piece of the puzzle but he knew everyone and was very, very respected.
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Oculus Spirit [39215]
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Ohhh Keyshawn That Woman Beater...Why Would Anyone
Aug 11, 2022, 4:04 PM
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care what this sub-human pig says?
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So let me get this straight.
Aug 11, 2022, 4:32 PM
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Clemson takes a step back into the ACC pack because we lost four coordinators over 8 years. Uh, how many has Saban replaced over the same span? Hell, How many head coaches has Miami had over the same span???
How does the success of another program have anything to do with Clemson taking a step back because we replaced 4 coordinators over 8 years?
He’s clearly done 0 homework given his commitment assessment too, ? Clemson has lots of NFL talent all over the field and arguably more than in the period he is referencing.
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Re: TNET: Former NFL star doesn't see same Clemson, says Tigers 'back to the pack' in ACC
Aug 11, 2022, 4:59 PM
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Does anybody know if we backed off recruiting his son a few years back? Seemed we were interested and then we just stopped. I think he ended up at Nebraska. Just wondering how long he had to wait to "dis" the Tigers.
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Aug 11, 2022, 5:00 PM
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Oh no. We are cycling out...
Aug 11, 2022, 5:14 PM
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yet again.
Hate to say it but talking about it ain't going to make room at the trough for USC (real one). They got to get in there the hard way.
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Re: TNET: Former NFL star doesn't see same Clemson, says Tigers 'back to the pack' in ACC
Aug 11, 2022, 5:16 PM
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IMO Key is still butthurt we didn't recruit his son very hard. And time has proven that to have been wise.
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We offered his son a scholarship.
Aug 11, 2022, 9:38 PM
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Given how stingy we are known to be with our scholarship offers, I’d say we were very interested in him.
Maybe Keyshawn isn’t mad at Clemson, and just has concerns about some aspects of our team.
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Re: TNET: Former NFL star doesn't see same Clemson, says Tigers 'back to the pack' in ACC
Aug 11, 2022, 5:51 PM
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It cracks me up that these former NFL players are some how experts on college football. But it is good we are getting doubters and hopefully this will motive our team.
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Re: TNET: Former NFL star doesn't see same Clemson, says Tigers 'back to the pack' in ACC
Aug 11, 2022, 6:40 PM
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I mean I agree. Hoping all the talk will make them hungry again. I also think if DJ comes out slow , Club should be used immediately.
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Re: TNET: Former NFL star doesn't see same Clemson, says Tigers 'back to the pack' in ACC
Aug 11, 2022, 6:57 PM
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Why did this get posted on Tigernet? Beamer’s comments
about Clemson would have been noteworthy..or one of
our past players. But, everybody has an opinion. What I
just read was something a Carolina or N.C. State fan would
say. What a waste of my time reading it.
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who ?
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Aug 11, 2022, 8:50 PM
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I wish TNET would quit running stories about what everyone says about Clemson. Who really cares what Keyshawn says? I know I do not. He is allowed to have his own opinion, even though it might be wrong. He is only saying that because of our QB play last year and we all knew it was coming from people this season.
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Tiger Titan [47407]
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Because controversy = clicks = ad revenue.
Aug 11, 2022, 9:39 PM
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That’s why.
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National Champion [7710]
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Re: TNET: Former NFL star doesn't see same Clemson, says Tigers 'back to the pack' in ACC
Aug 11, 2022, 9:02 PM
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Oh noooo, we suck again cause a fat a s s NFL has- been says so!!!! We’re doomed!!
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I heard this live and the way the question was phrased really only
Aug 12, 2022, 8:00 AM
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left one possible answer - Clemson. If I'm not mistaken he was asked basically "Which recent national champion do you see taking a step back."
IMO there have been 4 recent national champions, but if you want to go back 12 years and try to argue that as "recent" you can maybe stretch it to 6. This is the list with most recent title year:
Georgia - 2021
Bama - 2020
LSU - 2019
Clemson- 2018
Ohio State - 2014
FSU - 2013
FSU and LSU have clearly already taken many steps back so you can eliminate those two immediately.
Bama isn't going anywhere under Saban. They are a pretty heavy favorite to win it again this year.
Georgia just won it (with Stetson Bennett at QB no less) and Kirby has outrecruited everyone in the country recently.
Ohio State isn't going anywhere right now. They are loaded and always in the playoff hunt.
Clemson - Just went 10-3 after a 6 year playoff run and is currently replacing most of the coaching staff including arguably the best DC of the last decade. Recruiting has also seen a little hit over the last two years.
It's obvious that Clemson is the answer here. Does that mean we will fall back to the pack? No. But, given the choices here, we are the most likely. Key was given a question and he had to answer it. And he chose the answer that made the most sense.
If you want to blame somebody, blame the producer or whoever gave Key that question. Yall love to hate on random ESPN employees anyway.
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Tiger Titan [47407]
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But Keyshawn is a meanie because he said something
Aug 12, 2022, 12:19 PM
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less than stellar about Clemson!
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One man's opinion...
Aug 12, 2022, 10:34 AM
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Re: TNET: Former NFL star doesn't see same Clemson, says Tigers 'back to the pack' in ACC
Aug 12, 2022, 10:49 AM
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....you lost me at "NFL Star"....
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Wow, what's your bar for NFL star then?
Aug 12, 2022, 2:03 PM
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He played 11 years in the league, was a 3x pro bowler, and finished with 10,500 career receiving yards.
I think that qualifies as being a star.
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Aug 12, 2022, 11:27 AM
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Saban replaces coordinators every year. Dabo is the chief recruiter and our next class and last class look great. It is the head coach and the culture that sell Clemson.
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Re: TNET: Former NFL star doesn't see same Clemson, says Tigers 'back to the pack' in ACC
Aug 12, 2022, 3:00 PM
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We all have our opinions. The recruiting rankings tell a different story.
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Aug 12, 2022, 9:57 PM
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Time will tell if this former player is dead spot on with his assessment or just FOS.
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KJ doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. He says we are done bc we can't recruit Florida while naming recruits we pulled from Georgia. We also slayed the state of GA this year in recruiting. Young kids don't know Keyshawn and older guys will agree he was pretty good but no Megatron. My 12yo has a better perception of college ball. Oh btw nice try throwing USC in that convo, they have been amazing. Talking about a team who really has fallen back to the pack, the Trojans. Go Tigers!!!
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Re: TNET: Former NFL star doesn't see same Clemson, says Tigers 'back to the pack' in ACC
Aug 14, 2022, 6:09 PM
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"Just Give Clemson The #### Ball" and we shall all know the truth . GO TIGERS! ALL IN!!!
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