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Ultimate Tiger [34526]
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So I feel much better read-in on the Signal story...
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Mar 26, 2025, 8:30 AM
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yesterday, I "thought" the folks in here claiming it was no big deal were probably just being idiotic sycophants...now I "know" it.
I came away with the following points...some original thoughts, others not:
1) They shouldn't have been using Signal for this kind of conversation and they likely knew they shouldn't have been. There's a good chance they were using Signal to avoid their conversation being preserved, as required by law (I think that's Federal Records Act, but could also being something else). If that's the case, they put political preservation over national security and that, in and of itself, should be concerning to everyone.
2) Signal is encrypted, but I heard multiple trustworthy people state that state intelligence services can crack Signal communications in about 1 minute...not to mention that it was being used on non-secure phones. One would have to assume that the DNI, DCI, and most of the others should know that.
3) It's pretty clear the parts from Sec Def that Goldberg didn't release did contain the detailed plans of the strike. It's clear from the testimony in front of Congress yesterday. The question of classified vs non-classified is semantics, because the Sec Def is the classifying authority. He claimed verbally it wasn't classified...so does that make it not classified, even though it really was and/or should have been? They even mentioned "high-side" which is a reference to classified communications channels/devices. They all have high-side devices. Let me say that again....they all have high-side devices. We ought to all be up in arms over their collective decision to not use them. And it's reasonable to assume this isn't the only conversation/channel of this kind they chose to conduct on Signal.
4) We haven't talked enough about the actual content of the thread. The channel is opened by Waltz to coordinate the strike which the POTUS has already "green lighted". Then there is debate on if the strike should be carried out and the VP states his disagreement with Pres Trump's decision "publicly" to the entire senior national security team.
There is talk about how Europe isn't doing anything on this issue. Do they not know how many European navy vessels under EU command are in the Red Sea protecting vessels? Did they not know that the UK had bombed the Houthis multiple times recently? It sounded like political talking points were just being repeated in private national security discussions and that some of the folks may not have actually had an understanding of current and past actions by Europe on this issue. Hegseth sounded like he was still hosting a show on FNC - totally unprofessional and non-serious. And posting hand-clapping and strong-arm emojis? It was embarrassing.
And then making the point about striking the Houthis would make political points about the Biden admin being ineffective on the issue. Should that be part of national security planning? We're going to kill people with the US military to make a political point about the last admin? Can anyone on here defend that as a military rationale? And did they not know that the US hit the Houthis each of the last twelve months of the Biden admin? I think they might actually not know this.
5) Then, at the end, Stephen Miller has to reign in the discussion pointing out that POTUS had already made the decision to carry out the strike. I've got to believe President Trump is not going to be pleased that his decision was still being debated by the Sr National Security team.
6) The impression I came away with was a sad feeling about being proven correct that many of the National Security team that Pres Trump put in place are amateurs and don't know what they're doing. These folks are just as political in private as they are in public. The DNI, Sec Def, DCI, and Nat Sec Advisor don't need to be "politically-minded" positions.
I hope Trump fires Waltz and gets someone who knows what they're doing in that position (and others) for the sake of our country. Vance and Hegseth both came off looking very bad here.
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Re: So I feel much better read-in on the Signal story...
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Mar 26, 2025, 8:32 AM
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It's almost like his DOD group got all their experience playing Call of Duty or something!
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Re: So I feel much better read-in on the Signal story...
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Mar 26, 2025, 8:35 AM
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good, big bunch of nothing
democrats are mostly upset trump is killing their terrorist partners
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Re: So I feel much better read-in on the Signal story...
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Mar 26, 2025, 8:40 AM
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Actually it is a big problem, much the same as HRC running an email sever out of her garage was a problem.
We have govt. officials discussing operational plans on a very questionable app that may be able to be broken by any nation. SO yeah that is problematic, it also would cause me, like it has other nations , to question whether the US can be a trusted partner .
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Ultimate Tiger [34526]
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You're at the top of the sycophant list buddy...
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Mar 26, 2025, 8:43 AM
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if you spend any time at all understanding this story and you come away with "big bunch of nothing" you're either being dishonest or you're a fool.
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He is a fake***
Mar 26, 2025, 9:22 AM
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Campus Hero [13431]
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I hope not
Mar 26, 2025, 9:28 AM
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Clemson Ranger handle with an American flag avatar; if he's pretending to be military that's really sheety even for the politics board.
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Why post here, if you arent going to be serious?
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Mar 26, 2025, 9:57 AM
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I mean, I like to keep it light. But you just don’t contribute in a way that anyone would who wants to be taken seriously. Why?
You successfully log into this site, so you MUST have the mental ability to know that your posts are intellectual empty calories. Why put the time in?
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Ultimate Tiger [37754]
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Re: So I feel much better read-in on the Signal story...
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Mar 26, 2025, 8:46 AM
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Goldberg gave a good interview on the Bulwark pod yesterday explaining exactly what happened and what he has and hasn’t done with respect to publishing the information. He thought he was being pranked by some elaborate scheme. Anyone who wants to try to make this about him or discredit him somehow is just displaying sycophant behavior. All the Trump admin has to say is, yikes this was a mistake, we’re going to rectify it and make sure this doesn’t happen again. Owning up to mistakes and learning from them is usually behavior demonstrated by adults who can feel shame, so I’m not counting on anything like that actually coming to fruition. The screed from Hegseth on the tarmac is really damning.
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In the course of the next 3.6 years, this story will seem less and less
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Mar 26, 2025, 9:05 AM
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significant. Not that it isn't, but the other crap that will come down the line from poor leadership will make this story seem insignificant.
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Tiger Titan [48178]
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Great analysis
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Mar 26, 2025, 9:17 AM
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It's clear from what Goldberg has said and the reactions of people within this admin not named Pete Hegseth that the information was highly classified and that this was a major screw up. Hegseth's temper tantrum interview where he called Goldberg a liar makes it even more embarrassing.
He has to be removed. If I were any of those other officials or in the Pentagon, he's lost all my trust going forward. He's ineffective now as a Defense Sec. and never should have been there.
And of course, the sycophants here who embarrassingly at first claimed it didn't but then changed their story to it being no big deal. How sad and pathetic is must be for any grown man to feel he has to lie or spin over and over and over because he is so in love with a president and anyone working for him.
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Ultimate Tiger [34526]
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Wow...that's actually WORSE than I thought it would be....
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Mar 26, 2025, 9:32 AM
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but Keowee said no "war plans" were sent. We know he won't admit he was wrong and I'm sure he's currently stretching extra hard to try to pull off the mental gymnastics he's sure to attempt.
Will be fun to see him say that exact times, sequences, and armaments to be used aren't "war plans".
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The claim was that classified was discussed. Was it?***
Mar 26, 2025, 7:17 PM
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Ultimate Tiger [34526]
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yes***
Mar 27, 2025, 8:11 AM
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This was an amateurish, high profile blunder by some of our highest ranking
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Mar 26, 2025, 9:37 AM
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government officials. Trying to deny that and/or frame it any other way is nothing but dishonest partisan politics. The proper response should have been immediate, and something like:
"Someone who should not have had access to sensitive information was given access. That is unacceptable and we will investigate and take appropriate corrective actions to make sure it doesn't happen again".
Of course, political adversaries would still have taken full advantage of such an opportunity to drag opponnents over the coals, but at least pubs would have had an honest starting point.
I understand that a successful military operation was carried out, and this screw-up did not affect that. We are fortunate this time, and it's totally fair to question the competence of those involved in the blunder. I don't care one way or the other about Goldberg, but he and his motives are a separate conversation, and can't be used to distract from the real issue here.
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I thought about posting this kind of thing
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Mar 26, 2025, 9:41 AM
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but didn’t have time and was not interested in having to labor through the constant illegitimate revisionism of the story that happens with every single Trump supporter here. It’s way too exhausting, especially for someone like me who doesn’t suffer these fools as patiently as you do.
So kudos to you for doing it. Thank you.
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Ultimate Tiger [34526]
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I had the "luxury" of having time early this morning with my laptop...
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Mar 26, 2025, 9:46 AM
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and no internet service, so I was able to take some time and type that up 
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Mar 26, 2025, 10:25 AM
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What would be the spin if some our pilots or ships were hit because of this carelessness?
This does matter. It would matter if this occurred under Harris and it matters under Trump.
This has zero to do with politics although the Dems will exploit this own goal as would the Pubs if this had occurred under Harris.
Admitting a screw up and making sure it NEVER happens again is the responsible thing to do.
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Re: So I feel much better read-in on the Signal story...
Mar 26, 2025, 2:15 PM
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Admitting a screw up and making sure it NEVER happens again is the responsible thing to do.
That's an adult with integrity type of thing to do, but I don't think that's what we're dealing with here.
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Well, I will not be that surprised if Ratcliff takes the fall instead
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he was way too forthcoming in front of the senate, where Gabbard expertly tossed out non denial denials while smirking.
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To point 5, I hope people continuously second-guess
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Trump’s decisions and hopefully some of them are just ignored. The felon in chief is a moron who should be kept from making decisions as much as possible.
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