You're assuming homosexuality is a sin.

Or defending one or the other... but I would imagine that the argument would go something like this:

Committing adultery, which causes the other spouse to rightfully and justifiably terminate the marriage covenant, is a one-time sin that the person can repent from and change their ways. The person who repents would receive forgiveness and agree to not continue to live in adultery and make a new covenant with God and their new spouse to live according to the "Christian/Biblical model" for marriage (which marriage in a church is a Christian custom by definition/origin).

Whereas, a homosexual person participating in a marriage ceremony/covenant in a church would 1) be making a covenant with God that would go directly against the very religion of the establishment in which they are ceremoniously participating. 2) Rather than repenting for a one time sin, they are committing to live in a lifetime of sin and NOT recognize it as such or repent from continuing it. I fully recognize that it's counter cultural to call homosexuality a sin nowadays... but I'm just saying that if you're asking why A CHURCH calls it that, it's because Christian churches SHOULD be using the word of God (the Bible) to identify right from wrong (sin), and the Bible calls homosexuality sin. That's their rules, whether we agree with them or not, and it's their church...

PS- Not a holier than thou Bible thumper, not judging anyone- I worry about my own house, we got plenty of our own splinters/logs in our eyes over here to take care of, and this is simply an explanation of the logic most church going people would probably offer.

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It's a fun question to think through. Basically, yes, I would agree with you both. If it is not the govt's business who is sleeping with who, it is not their business which of them are married.

But in a situation where the govt does marry people, can the Church claim that responsibility? If Bill and Suze got married in Mayberry by the High Sheriff And Justice Of The Peace in his living room, and then move to Greenville and join Gospel Outreach of Light and Faith, and they say they are married, can GOLF tell them they are not married and tell them to get separate rooms? Point is, churches accept govt marriage as valid in the church as the ones they perform.

Another question about non govt marriage: If we Christians believe marriage originated with Adam (I do, pardon the pun), and was later appropriately overseen by rabbis and such, and if the cross then tore the veil in two, establishing the priesthood of the believers, by what authority does a church organization marry me and MissTulsa? If we got a few of fellow Christians to attest that such a vow was made, can man put that asunder? [As it so happened, we got married in a Greenville church - we were happy pagans then - because they agreed to let us use the building and the minister, for a fair fee. Was that a marriage "by the church"? Hardly.]

Decades later I married, quite illegally, my sister and her husband. It was to be, at their request, a church ceremony, with Ephesians 5 and "whatever God has joined together" and all that, but with me as officient. Me, without a speck of church authority; no ordination, no nothing, not even a sunday school teacher. I was hesitant because I would sign the license, and didnt want any blowback on them. Or me. But my sister, a lawyer, said, "It dont matter. When you send in the marriage license the next day, and the clerk records it, we're married. After that, nothing matters. Just do it." Same as if the GOLF guy sent it in. That's how civil it is: literally a rubber stamp.

Anyway, how could that be unrolled? The govt just saying "we're out of it"?

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