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Ring of Honor [22085]
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Campus Hero [13509]
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get over it already, if you're not a Tiger Pumper, you must be a coot, right?***
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Dec 21, 2024, 8:16 PM
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Ring of Honor [22085]
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You are one of the least objective posters on TNET.
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Dec 21, 2024, 8:19 PM
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Pumper King is a great title, and you deserve it. Congrats.
But if you are expecting people to take your "opinion" seriously, well that's another subject entirely.
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Valley Protector [1441]
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Re: You are one of the least objective posters on TNET.
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Dec 21, 2024, 8:20 PM
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You aren't objective either. You bury your head in the sand and pretend the problems have easy fixes.
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Orange Blooded [2319]
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Dynasty Maker [3329]
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Re: You are one of the least objective posters on TNET.
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Dec 21, 2024, 8:26 PM
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Trump University
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Ring of Honor [22085]
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Valley Protector [1441]
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Re: TD me all you want but you know I am right. It must make you mad too.
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Dec 21, 2024, 8:23 PM
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You aren't right.
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Ring of Honor [22085]
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anyone can say anything, but debating why it's wrong is entirely different.
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Dec 21, 2024, 8:26 PM
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I will wait.
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Valley Protector [1441]
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Re: anyone can say anything, but debating why it's wrong is entirely different.
Dec 21, 2024, 8:33 PM
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The problem is that we don't have elite talent like we had in the past. That's the underlying problem.
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Tiger Titan [47494]
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We have a lot of high 4 star and 5 star players.***
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Dec 21, 2024, 8:38 PM
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Valley Protector [1441]
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Re: We have a lot of high 4 star and 5 star players.***
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Dec 21, 2024, 8:43 PM
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The stars don't matter. Their speed, vertical jump, reaction time, explosiveness is what matters. We aren't elite in those areas.
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Tiger Titan [47494]
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Are you suggesting that Dabo isnt the ace recruiter we thought?***
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Dec 21, 2024, 9:03 PM
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Top TigerNet [30295]
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At least you make good basketball posts***
Dec 21, 2024, 9:05 PM
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Valley Protector [1441]
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Re: Are you suggesting that Dabo isnt the ace recruiter we thought?***
Dec 21, 2024, 9:09 PM
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Nope. He recruited elite players for a decade. The problem is, eventually other teams figure out what you're doing to get players, and find a way to counteract it. It's happened to most coaches throughout history.
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they will log on at 9am tomorrow and TD everything
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Dec 21, 2024, 8:17 PM
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a few are active right now but that's because they are trying to cope with being so wrong
they might already be onto basketball season to cope too
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All-American [583]
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Second to last option is most likely.***
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Dec 21, 2024, 8:18 PM
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Nm
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Clemson Conqueror [11806]
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Re: Since the pumpers will be gone a while, we can have honest discussions.....
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Dec 21, 2024, 8:18 PM
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Wes needs to go. Special teams coach needs to go. We need a new punter. That's enough right there.
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Re: Since the pumpers will be gone a while, we can have honest discussions.....
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Dec 21, 2024, 8:40 PM
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Wes called his best game if the year tonight. Our personnel is good; TX’s is both better overall and blessed with quality depth that we didn’t have except at the DT position.
Let’s face it. Our D is good in most areas, with the obvious problems being (1) setting the edge on whatever side of the LOS that TJ Parker was not in -and- (2) tackling.
We were not going to have a chance at winn8ng this game by playing a defense scheme in which giving up easy 8 to 12 yard plays again and again and again on long drives was considered by our coaches as being more desirable than giving up big plays on occassi9n. TX absolutely killed those teams which did similar to Clemson’s typical ‘play it safe’ defense
First half, the setting of the edge problem was glaring.
Second half, Goodwin made a high risk / (potentially) high reward scheme using 3 DTs + 2 DEs on numerous occassions. He also (correctly, IMO) typically deployed only one deep DB and played tight / jam-em coverage in their WRs. He made a massive adjustment and our defensive performance improved.
Unfortunately, TX’s superb O-Line blocked our DL well on numerous occassions and also got to our second level with great effect to spring their RBs. All it took was one missed tackle or ncorrevt gap-read by a safety and it was a big gain by the TX runn8ng back.
As for the year long bad tackl8ng, I do blame Goodwin.
IMO, if Goodwin gets fired because of the tackl8ng problem, then OK, I get it. On the other hand, if we can hire a ‘tackling trainer’ to the staff that can teach tackling and devise drills in which tackling skills are greatly improved, then I’m OK for Goodwin to get one more shot.
Oh yeah, whoever evaluates and coaches punters needs to hit the bricks. We’d do better soliciting tryouts for punter from the sorority girls than endure another year like that from our finally-out-of-eligibility punter.
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Clemson Conqueror [11806]
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Re: Since the pumpers will be gone a while, we can have honest discussions.....
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Dec 21, 2024, 8:57 PM
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Wes has kind of sucked all year imo. You can run all over us. I don't even like him for recruiting.
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Re: Since the pumpers will be gone a while, we can have honest discussions.....
Dec 21, 2024, 9:03 PM
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Best game of the year!?!?!? That’s laughable and with that asinine statement you just proved you know nothing about football. Guess that’s to be expected since you’re the same chode who was puffing his chest out about us recruiting better than SMU like that’s some great achievement.
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Tiger Titan [47494]
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Re: Since the pumpers will be gone a while, we can have honest discussions.....
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Dec 21, 2024, 8:21 PM
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I think you will get your wish. Wes is on very thin ice and Dabo usually waits a little while to evaluate the season but Wes and other D coaches will be gone IMO.
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Re: Since the pumpers will be gone a while, we can have honest discussions.....
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Dec 21, 2024, 8:21 PM
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This is all on Wes, he has to be fired. Any top tier DC in the country is foaming at the mouth to coach our defense. We have to go get them and pay them to dollar…. Look what Luke did to the online. Same personnel and made them a strength.
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Ring of Honor [22085]
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I am glad you see this man.
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Dec 21, 2024, 8:24 PM
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I grew up on great Tiger defenses. I can stomach a bad offense if we maul on defense.
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Valley Protector [1441]
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Re: I am glad you see this man.
Dec 21, 2024, 8:26 PM
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You have elite players to do that. We have a couple, but not enough.
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Valley Protector [1441]
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Re: Since the pumpers will be gone a while, we can have honest discussions.....
Dec 21, 2024, 8:36 PM
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No #### Sherlock. They’re the best they’ve been in years though and even Coach Luke will need more than a year to complete remove Robbie Caldwell and Thomas Austin’s stench from that room.
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Valley Protector [1441]
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Re: Since the pumpers will be gone a while, we can have honest discussions.....
Dec 21, 2024, 8:43 PM
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They aren't the best they've been in years.
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Re: Since the pumpers will be gone a while, we can have honest discussions.....
Dec 21, 2024, 8:52 PM
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Our OL is pretty good at pass protection. Not great, obviously, but still pretty good.
As for the runn8ng game, we’ve been weak all year, and will be weak again vs 5he teams with starting O-Lines next year. Our guys simply are not the road-grader body types. The great O-Linemen are both road graders -&- agile enough to pass block well. That’s what we saw from TX’s -Line tonight. We don’t have that. Hard stop.
My frustration is that on the third and very short and 4th and very short situations in the red zone, our coaches (whether Dabo or Garrett makes this decision, I have no idea) seem intent in imposing their will by always running the ball when we’re using the ‘jumbo’ package. Given that, by this stage of the season, our coaches have still not figured out that our O-Line isn’t built for overpowering whichever defense is in front of them. It’s like expecting the egg to beat the fox in a battle. Why oh why didn’t they figure this out?
Anyways, we were competitive in the game. Miserable participation trophy in that we didn’t completely embarrass ourselves; SMU and Indiana showed that they didn’t bel9ng in the CFP.
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When I heard Dabo at halftime, I thought a move may be coming
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Dec 21, 2024, 8:48 PM
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simply said, "we can't stop them." He knows that cannot continue. I've never been one to call for coaches heads, but I think real conversations will be had about Wes. We don't tackle well and don't play disciplined assignment wise.
As for the criticism of Riley, that he cannot scheme a good defense, he did so tonight without a viable running game. With the returnees we have on offense, fix the D and we're a real factor next year
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Re: When I heard Dabo at halftime, I thought a move may be coming
Dec 21, 2024, 8:57 PM
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I’m afraid that I’ll start growing feathers and loving doo-doo ice after saying this, but 2025 is the year that our offense + defense should be at its best since the 2019 season. No, we won’t be 2018 quality n3xt year, but personnel wise + experience wise, next year’s team is aligned to be special.
Having finished up 2024 season by playing one true quality opponent + one truly superior opponent will be great teaching experiences.
So, here goes … wait ‘til next year.
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What stands out to me is the total inability to stop the run
Dec 21, 2024, 9:31 PM
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and how that cannot continue, and honestly, should not be the case. Our DL recruiting has been upper tier. I don't believe we have less than a 4 star on the DL, though we've had some misses at DE, Denhoff and Patterson. That hurt us big time this year, and thankfully has been addressed with Heldt.
Same at LB. Other than Woodaz, who is not a problem, we have 1 three star, his brother who redshirted.
We could not set the edge, tackled poorly and didn't play disciplined filling gaps. That has to be fixed. If it is, then I've always believed next year was the year. All these underclassmen getting another year of experience and development.
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Our team fought to the end against a better opponent.
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Dec 21, 2024, 8:21 PM
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Overall, a great season! I look forward to next year!
Go Tigers!
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Gridiron Giant [16036]
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Im a pumper for sure
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Dec 21, 2024, 8:22 PM
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I’m happy with the game
The team played hard
Made adjustments
Texas was better and playing at home.
Down by 7 at the goal line, I liked the 3rd down call, Texas just played it better
That was the chance
I just don’t feel the need to get irate with people about it. I liked what I saw tonight, Texas was just better.
Keep building, try again next year.
Go Tigers!
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Ring of Honor [22085]
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But Soywaker this didn't happen overnight...
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Dec 21, 2024, 8:25 PM
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..cant you see?
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Top TigerNet [30295]
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You were expecting it to be a WV type game
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Dec 21, 2024, 8:45 PM
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Were you disappointed it wasn't? Maybe you should have been pleasantly surprised. Or are you just looking for reasons to complain?
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Re: Since the pumpers will be gone a while, we can have honest discussions.....
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Dec 21, 2024, 8:23 PM
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That's a trick question. It's all the above and then they'll bring up the graduation rate like that wins the games or something.
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Re: Since the pumpers will be gone a while, we can have honest discussions.....
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Dec 21, 2024, 8:27 PM
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Dabo is @done
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Top TigerNet [30295]
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You make good OT posts***
Dec 21, 2024, 8:28 PM
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110%er [3925]
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Re: Since the pumpers will be gone a while, we can have honest discussions.....
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Dec 21, 2024, 8:29 PM
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Can I ask legit question? (I am sure I’ll get labeled a pumper)
Why is it either “fire everyone”, “dabo should retire”, “he makes too much money” or “”you’re a pumper”?
Is there room for moderates in the middle?
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Top TigerNet [30295]
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Must be their answer to being called a coot for their "opinions"
Dec 21, 2024, 8:31 PM
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but it's ok when the dumpers do the same thing in reverse. Kinda like the libs
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110%er [4034]
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Re: Since the pumpers will be gone a while, we can have honest discussions.....
Dec 21, 2024, 9:01 PM
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I completely agree. I’ve been on that train for a while
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Ring of Honor [22085]
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110%er [3925]
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Re: When did I say fire everyone?***
Dec 21, 2024, 8:55 PM
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It was an intentional over generalization (hence the quotes) like “pumpers” is.
How about my question?
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Ring of Honor [21596]
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All of the above
Dec 21, 2024, 8:32 PM
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Losers love losing
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Re: Since the pumpers will be gone a while, we can have honest discussions.....
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Dec 21, 2024, 8:37 PM
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110%er [3925]
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Re: Since the pumpers will be gone a while, we can have honest discussions.....
Dec 21, 2024, 8:39 PM
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You’re equally as bad as the pumpers. Extremism is extremism
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Ring of Honor [22085]
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At least you admit not being objective***
Dec 21, 2024, 8:44 PM
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Re: At least you admit not being objective***
Dec 21, 2024, 9:01 PM
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How is that exactly?
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Re: Since the pumpers will be gone a while, we can have honest discussions.....
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Dec 21, 2024, 8:43 PM
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Today was all on Wes. I would not say all the Ls are tho. I think it's time to move on after today though. We have to be able to stop the run.
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Paw Master [16792]
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Re: Since the pumpers will be gone a while, we can have honest discussions.....
Dec 21, 2024, 9:08 PM
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You forgot: "when I was at Clemson in the 70s we were terrible, I'm just so happy we won another couple of natties in my life, I'm good to go now"
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Paw Master [17561]
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Re: Since the pumpers will be gone a while, we can have honest discussions.....
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Dec 21, 2024, 9:18 PM
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You’re such a giant POS. Tired of even trying to play nice. GFY.
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How about ...
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Dec 21, 2024, 9:37 PM
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- We had a good not great team in 2024.
- Offense improved this year. Defense declined.
- Cade and WR's improved greatly in 2024.
- Mafah played hurt the 2nd half of the season and copuld not help team.
- Like injured Bresee, injured Peter Woods has yet to make a real impact.
- Win or lose, Cade, Parker, Mickens, AW0, TJM1, BW12, Brown and more gave all they had.
Thanks Tigers, rest up, expectations for 2 or 3 playoff wins go up in 2025. See you in the Spring.
Go Tigers!
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