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Legend [6768]
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Did Dabo/Street Ever Explain Why DJ Wasn't Benched Earlier?
Dec 8, 2022, 11:12 AM
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To my knowledge, all we got was coach speak. Things like "DJ is our Starting QB", a lot of expressions of how great of a guy and leader DJ is.
Did we ever get a brief of what they were seeing in practice that kept Cade on the bench?
I think that is one of the digger issues with the handling of DJ and Cade...no explanation.
The playbook opened up when Cade came in so they didn't forget how to call plays. DJ's play were less than Cade because DJ can't make the throws or QB runs Cade did.
It's obvious the team perked up when Cade came in and started scoring TD's...The "Spark".
IMO, the swap should have happening after the Syracuse game.
Based on Dabo's past actions with other similar situation this was a head scratcher.
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Re: Did Dabo/Street Ever Explain Why DJ Wasn't Benched Earlier?
Dec 8, 2022, 11:14 AM
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No, and you never will so why keep bringing it up?
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Legend [6768]
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Why? Because I wanted to...***
Dec 8, 2022, 11:15 AM
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Re: Why? Because I wanted to...***
Dec 8, 2022, 11:21 AM
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Mainly because I kind of doubt Dabo feels like he owes an explanation for his coaching decisions. You make decisions based on a total evaluation on a daily basis and you move on from there. He doesn't owe the fans a blow-by-blow and he informs as he sees fit. Like it or not, that is his prerogative, and I kind of doubt it is going to change. He answers to an AD and a Board and if more detail is required, I am sure he provides it.
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Legend [6768]
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We didn't need a blow by blow..
Dec 8, 2022, 11:27 AM
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I'm just going off what Dabo has said and done in the past. It has always been his philosophy of playing backups early and in meaningful downs. He's been quoted many times saying that players earn the right to play.
IMO, he's having to re-recruit his players to keep them from taking their marbles and going elsewhere.
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Re: We didn't need a blow by blow..
Dec 8, 2022, 11:46 AM
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I think it would be safe to say that he has his reasons for what he says and what he doesn't and we know that he tends to stick to his convictions and leave it at that. He has made it pretty clear that he doesn't do anything based on outside pressure to conform and will continue to do it his way and if that ever becomes a problem, both sides have options.
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Re: We didn't need a blow by blow..
Dec 8, 2022, 12:09 PM
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"IMO, he's having to re-recruit his players to keep them from taking their marbles and going elsewhere."
My goodness, some of the thoughts that come out of some of you. What exactly are you basing this on? If there was some wide thought across the team of guys wanting to leave due to how the QB decision was processed then you would've seen the effort from this team drop just as we've seen happen to coaches at other programs many times before. Say what you want, but this team continued to play hard.
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Re: Did Dabo/Street Ever Explain Why DJ Wasn't Benched Earlier?
Dec 8, 2022, 11:14 AM
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Dabo doesn't believe that even the Riggs level donors of IPTAY deserve that knowledge.
#noregrets
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Tiger Titan [47838]
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Dabo said that Cade wasn't ready.
Dec 8, 2022, 11:58 AM
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After the ACC Championship game, Dabo said that they tried to make the switch at Notre Dame but Cade showed that he wasn't ready.
I find that ridiculous, because Cade was brought in with us behind with the ball on our own 5 yard line. The play call where Cade through the interception was rolling to his left with a short field if I recall correctly. It was hardly a fair situation for Cade to be evaluated.
It was also noted after the ACC Championship game that Cade rarely practiced with the first team throughout the year. If the coaches were seriously evaluating the QB position, why wasn't Cade given more of a chance with the first team?
The answer, of course, is because the coaches seemingly decided early on that DJ was our QB, and they weren't really open to evaluating other QBs to be the starter. I think they put a lot of emphasis on DJ's experience as well as his leadership.
It's also important to point out that Cade was erratic in practice. The coaches were concerned about his propensity to make careless decisions while trying to make a tough throw or big play. For an offense already struggling at times, they felt that the potential risks overshadowed the potential rewards with Cade.
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Re: Dabo said that Cade wasn't ready.
Dec 8, 2022, 12:04 PM
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So the real question would be, in past years has the backup QB spent much time practicing with the first team throughout the week? My guess would be probably not but if somehow we could show Cade was being treated differently then perhaps we would be on to something. However, it stands to reason that when you are getting QB1 ready for each week's opponent, they probably aren't sharing a lot of his reps with his backup.
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Paw Warrior [5074]
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Re: Dabo said that Cade wasn't ready.
Dec 8, 2022, 12:13 PM
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I'm glad to see at least one person finally point this out. You don't usually hear about backups getting 1st team reps unless the starter is out, there's a plan to have the backup play certain snaps early in the game, or there's an open competition between the quarterbacks.
I'm not saying Cade shouldn't have been named the starter at some point earlier in the season, but I don't get why everyone is going to crazy over Cade not getting more 1st team reps as if that's some sort of unacceptable and unheard of things.
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Re: Dabo said that Cade wasn't ready.
Dec 8, 2022, 4:38 PM
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With DJ having some of the crappy games that he was having, it seems like the coaching staff would be eager to evaluate their freshman 5-star QB with the ones to see if he could do better.
Please don't tell me that he suddeny turned into an MVP in the week between USC and UNC.
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Re: Dabo said that Cade wasn't ready.
Dec 8, 2022, 6:34 PM
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He had one hell of a week at practice 
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Re: Dabo said that Cade wasn't ready.
Dec 8, 2022, 12:06 PM
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yep, DJ had a mile-long leash and Cade a 6 inch leash. Would be interesting to see how Cade would have developed with DJ's leash.
The "we tried at Notre Dame" statement just threw gas on the fire of frustration
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Freshman [-74]
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Yeah, Dabo is clueless about the game and was lying to everyone.
Dec 8, 2022, 12:08 PM
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He had ulterior motives, huh troll?
Please stay out of discussions you know nothing about. Thanks.
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Oculus Spirit [83641]
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is that what the post said?
Dec 8, 2022, 12:11 PM
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I will have to reread...maybe I should get myself real emotional about it before I read it.
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Freshman [-74]
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I'm confused. Did I reply to the wrong post?***
Dec 8, 2022, 12:49 PM
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Oculus Spirit [83641]
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now I'm confused***
Dec 8, 2022, 1:44 PM
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Paw Warrior [4751]
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Re: Yeah, Dabo is clueless about the game and was lying to everyone.
Dec 8, 2022, 4:40 PM
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Allorange,
If you don't like the speculation then give a rational reason for holding Cade out when DJ was stinking it up so. Or better yet, let Dabo step up and TELL us the real reason.
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Freshman [-74]
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I'm not speculating at all.
Dec 8, 2022, 6:25 PM
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Dabo has explained and it's been reiterated dozens of times.
Cade was developing and DJ was winning games.
The End.
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Paw Warrior [4751]
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Re: I'm not speculating at all.
Dec 8, 2022, 6:45 PM
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Addendum: And suddenly Cade became a 5-star QB in the week between USC and UNC. It's a Thanksgivine miracle !!
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Freshman [-74]
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Lol. Have you been watching college football long?
Dec 8, 2022, 8:01 PM
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Most of the time true freshmen take most of their first year getting acclimated to the speed of the college game, maturing, and developing. It's not that Cade doesn't have talent, but he was growing and developing.
Football 101. You're welcone.
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Paw Warrior [5074]
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Re: Dabo said that Cade wasn't ready.
Dec 8, 2022, 12:18 PM
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"I find that ridiculous, because Cade was brought in with us behind with the ball on our own 5 yard line. The play call where Cade through the interception was rolling to his left with a short field if I recall correctly. It was hardly a fair situation for Cade to be evaluated."
I actually have thought it was also unfair to say he wasn't ready based on one throw, especially when DJ would end up throwing a pick 6 himself later in the same game. I've also had the thought though that we don't know the full situation and it's possible there's more to the situation than just the interception. Maybe he had a habit of making decisions like that in practice and for the coaches it was more confirmation that he still needed to learn to throw the ball away and not take careless chances? Maybe CK ran a completely different play than the one the coaches called? Obviously I'm not saying any of that is true because I would have no way of knowing. I'm simply pointing out that the coaches know way more about the situation than we do as fans.
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Re: Dabo said that Cade wasn't ready.
Dec 8, 2022, 6:48 PM
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“through the interception”?
Come on Judge Keller, you have to be smarter than that.
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Freshman [-74]
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Sigh.. yes they've repeatedly answered.
Dec 8, 2022, 12:06 PM
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Cade was developing and the starter was winning games.
Anything else?
That horse is dead already!
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Dynasty Maker [3272]
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They offered responses . . .
Dec 8, 2022, 1:23 PM
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but they never answered.
Their responses were mostly comprised of distracting from the question itself, rather than answering it - "DJ isn't returning kicks or playing at DB," "we had WR drops," "We've won two national championships," "if my boss ain't satisfied then they'll hire someone else and Clemson will be mediocre," "I'll never back off from doing what I think is right," etc.
And when they **did** deign to address the actual topic at hand, it was a false assessment designed to dislodge the true premise of the question, such as, "DJ is far away from the reason why we lost," or some such empty verbiage.
Now then - Dabo is the coach. He has every prerogative to make the decisions he wants to make - and sometimes he'll get it wrong. He's human. That much is fine. But the way he handled it as I've summarized above, has been plan awful; objectively awful, to boot. It would be much better if he simply said "look, guys, I see stuff in practice, over time, that yall don't see. DJ is simply clearly better right now." Would there still have been strong disagreement and wailing from the peanut gallery? Sure, yes there would have been. But at least it would only be his football judgment being questioned. Instead, he played cute and evasive, and essentially tried to convince everyone that what they were seeing wasn't happening; that the observations and questions were not just mistaken in their conclusions, but wrong and illegitimate on their face. That's not the way a person with a strong case acts. A person w/ a strong case is not afraid to look the facts in the face. Blowing smoke everywhere so that people get distracted is the move of a person who's losing the argument. Then, when the proverbial pudding showed his judgment, as well, was also wrong, he (and Streeter) then continued replaying those same crap rhetorical defense cards . . . replete with "no regrets," and all that.
I've been really critical, but over time I see no reason not to let it go, as continuing to harp on it isn't going to awake Dabo to the realization of his mistake here. That said, it's hard to castigate those who want to continue to address it as a legitimate point of discussion, considering (a) they're right; and (b) it never was addressed by the staff. People have every right to be irked and say so. Over time we'll all let it go in our own time . . . but it shouldn't be on the false pretense that he staff dealt with it adequately . . . they haven't.
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Paw Master [17280]
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amen.***
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Dec 8, 2022, 2:24 PM
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Freshman [-74]
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That's a lot of words, bro.
Dec 8, 2022, 6:27 PM
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Cade was developing and the starter was winning games.
Why write so much when thr reality can be written in a sentence?
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Dynasty Maker [3272]
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Because some folks
Dec 12, 2022, 10:57 AM
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refuse to understand. And your sentence was false. Cade being a freshman and developing is not synonymous to DJ giving the better chance to win, via cleaner, more reliable play.
Furthermore, the more important part is that the answers given were dodges, not mere disgareements.
The more obtuse people are in understanding, the more verbiage is necessary.
You stand corrected.
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Orange Elite [5430]
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Re: They offered responses . . .
Dec 9, 2022, 7:53 AM
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I agree with all of that, BUT while unbelievably amazing, the ACC championship was 1 game against a suspect D. Let’s hope that we see the same brilliance from Cade at the orange bowl. Certainly he’s got another questionable D to play against, so hoping he shows out again. Then we will all know that it was just stubbornness that kep DJ on the field after Syracuse.
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Orange Immortal [68147]
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I think it's hilarious...
Dec 8, 2022, 12:11 PM
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that some seem to think that Dabo/Streeter own anyone an explanation.
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Clemson Icon [24892]
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You forget that these posters are highly successful people
Dec 8, 2022, 12:54 PM
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that are true stars in the business world.
They are national champions in their chosen fields.
They have earned the right, due to their success, to hold National Championship caliber people up for ridicule.
LOL
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Paw Master [17280]
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I agree, they should have just gone Full Saban and told
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Dec 8, 2022, 12:55 PM
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everybody to just #### off...Instead they tried to make up pitiful excuses and ended up making an odd situation even worse
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Freshman [-74]
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What "pitiful" excuses?
Dec 8, 2022, 6:30 PM
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Where do you folks come up with these crazy conspiracy ideas?
It's very, very simple: Cade was developing and the starter was winning games
Take care.
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Paw Master [17280]
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The line that they gave him a shot at ND is a pitiful excuse
Dec 8, 2022, 6:43 PM
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when it pertains to his lack of playing time vs South Carolina
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Freshman [-74]
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No, it's simple truth. At that time Cade was still growing,
Dec 8, 2022, 8:08 PM
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and he made a terrible mistake, reminiscent of the concerns seen in practice. Dabo didn't want to leave hom out there any longer because of it and it could have wrecked his development to leave him in there and struggle. Simple football coaching logic.
Why would he have come in the SC game? We jumped on them early and led by 9 at halftime. We were winning the game until 10 minutes left, where naturally the starter was given the last 3 possessions to go win it.
I honestly thought you had better football IQ than this?
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Re: I think it's hilarious...
Dec 8, 2022, 4:45 PM
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The only reason that Dabo makes a million dollars a game is that alumni and supporters and ticket buyers donate their hard-earned bucks. Therefore I find it perfectly reasonable that we get to ask some questions about was observedly a horrible decision.
EVERYONE is answerable to someone.
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Freshman [-74]
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For the love of God man!
Dec 8, 2022, 6:32 PM
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He answered the question many times.
Oh, and we're 7th in the country btw.
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Paw Warrior [4751]
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Re: For the love of God man!
Dec 8, 2022, 6:48 PM
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Oh and if he hadn't blown this decision, we would be 4th in the country and on our way to the CFP.
PS: The dirtpeckers would be shut up for another year.
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Freshman [-74]
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So you absolutely knew with 10 minutes left in the coot game
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Dec 8, 2022, 8:12 PM
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that DJ wouldn't get it done?
No. No, you had no clue.
It was perfectly fair and correct to let the starter try and win it with 10 minutes left.
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Paw Warrior [4751]
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Re: So you absolutely knew with 10 minutes left in the coot game
Dec 8, 2022, 8:16 PM
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If he starts his best QB the game is not up for grabs with ten minutes left.
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Freshman [-74]
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So the starter who was winning gamed should have been benched?
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Dec 8, 2022, 8:20 PM
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No.
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Orange Immortal [68147]
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Correct, but...
Dec 9, 2022, 7:42 AM
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the only thing buying tickets entitles you to receive is a seat at that games. Certainly not an explanation from the head coach.
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Paw Warrior [4786]
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Re: Did Dabo/Street Ever Explain Why DJ Wasn't Benched Earlier?
Dec 8, 2022, 12:18 PM
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Being embarrassed by your poor relatives for being a little more objective.. I will enthusiastically supportDabo. May the last rendition of Rocky Top in Miami be right before kickoff.
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Paw Master [17280]
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"Hey man, like he ran his a$$ of okay"
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"No regerts"
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Freshman [-74]
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God forbid a coach ever tries to speak positively about his players.
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Dec 8, 2022, 12:55 PM
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Should have just thrown DJ under the bus.
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Paw Master [17280]
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All we got were lame excuses instead of answers, he should
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Dec 8, 2022, 12:58 PM
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have just ignored the question if all he had was a bunch of weak-minded emotional jibber-jabber
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Freshman [-74]
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That's incorrect.
Dec 8, 2022, 6:33 PM
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Dabo said in several different ways, Cade was developing and the starter was winning games.
And it was the right answer too.
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Re: Did Dabo/Street Ever Explain Why DJ Wasn't Benched Earlier?
Dec 8, 2022, 1:44 PM
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Is there a line I need to get in to ask the same question that's been asked around a thousand times on T-net since Saturday or is it just a gentleman's rule to wait until the question is off of page 1? Dabo isn't going to explain his decision to you, or anyone else that isn't one of his coaches or a player. Why? Because making those decisions is what he's being paid to do. Everyone likes to bring up his salary now, well that's why he makes the big bucks. Everyone trusted him when he won the CFP in '16 and '18, what's different now? The Tigers lost to Scar? They've done that before and here's a secret I'll let you in on....it will happen again. He plays his players when he feels they are ready. Its what he has done his entire time in Clemson. For some reason that's not a good enough answer for folks though so they keep asking the same question over and over waiting on a different answer.
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Paw Warrior [4759]
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Let it go***
Dec 8, 2022, 1:51 PM
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Re: Did Dabo/Street Ever Explain Why DJ Wasn't Benched Earlier?
Dec 8, 2022, 2:25 PM
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They do not have to explain unless your name is Neff.
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Paw Warrior [4751]
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Re: Did Dabo/Street Ever Explain Why DJ Wasn't Benched Earlier?
Dec 8, 2022, 4:46 PM
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If you pumpers are so tired of these questions, why not just skip this post instead of reading and reacting with the same old kool-aid comments.
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Starter [263]
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Re: Did Dabo/Street Ever Explain Why DJ Wasn't Benched Earlier?
Dec 8, 2022, 6:32 PM
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Ok will do. Thanks.
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Paw Warrior [4751]
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Re: Reasonable people listened and heard the answer clearly.
Dec 8, 2022, 6:49 PM
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Your head is in the sand, sir.
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Freshman [-74]
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How do you figure?
Dec 8, 2022, 8:15 PM
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I haven't stated speculative opinions, like you. I've stated 100% facts. What are you not understanding, sir?
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Re: How do you figure?
Dec 9, 2022, 8:05 AM
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You all are missing a key factor in your arguments. Every reference is Dabo/Street. The reality of this situation is Dabo is BOSS, Street is employee. Employee makes suggestions, Boss makes decisions. Just the way I see it.
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