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TNET: In notable decision, judge orders ACC to allow Clemson to study ESPN agreements
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Re: TNET: In notable decision, judge orders ACC to allow Clemson to study ESPN agreements
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May 3, 2024, 2:28 PM
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Transparency is a beautiful thing!
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Re: TNET: In notable decision, judge orders ACC to allow Clemson to study ESPN agreements
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May 3, 2024, 8:48 PM
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We did not study them very well the first time...so we want to break the contract and would like to read them first...that looks less than good to anyone who makes contracts! That sounds like the FSWTC but up till now didn't sound like Clemson!
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May 5, 2024, 2:51 PM
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Is there anything in those papers that were not there the first time...what ESPN did with the SEC or BIG has no bearing on the contract we all signed...that will come out soon enough...ESPN was not competing with the ACC or SEC or BIG...to my knowledge nobody is suing ESPN...we are just having issues with ourselves over contracts signed years ago that we have all profited from...when this is over those responsible for this lawsuit will have lots of questions to answer...maybe even before a judge? CLEMSON will be damaged in the court of public opinion because of us!
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May 3, 2024, 2:35 PM
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Trade secrets my butt. It must be a train wreck of a contract.
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Domino time***
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Re: TNET: In notable decision, judge orders ACC to allow Clemson to study ESPN agreements
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May 3, 2024, 2:40 PM
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This could make things happen quickly or it could turn into a quagmire of legal challenges. Neither of which is good for ESPN, and the latter isn't good for Clemson. I think that sooner rather than later ESPN is going to decide to blow up the ACC contract and then the bidding war for a few schools will take place and the others are gonna scramble to find a home!
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My guess/hope is that ESPN...
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May 3, 2024, 2:51 PM
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.... tells the ACC to settle out of court so those documents don't have to be made public.
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Re: My guess/hope is that ESPN...
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May 3, 2024, 3:32 PM
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That’s exactly what’s coming Bret.
ESPN will force the ACC to let Clemson and FSU and whoever out bc they’ll cancel the renewal of the ACC contract if they don’t.
As already stated… I’m sure Clemson has viewed them but not in depth like we’re about to be allowed to.
This is just the first step but it’s a notable one. It’s only a matter of time now…
Tick tock…. Tick tock…
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We'll know by the end of next month, I believe.***
May 3, 2024, 3:33 PM
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Re: We'll know by the end of next month, I believe.***
May 3, 2024, 6:11 PM
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Lets not forget that the courts move very very slow and that is the very reason that the courts are backed up with cases just like these...
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Re: We'll know by the end of next month, I believe.***
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May 3, 2024, 7:00 PM
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You are right, however...this is a South Carolina court which I have to assume will have a prejudice towards Clemson. I would bet considerable money this will move more quickly than usual.
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Re: My guess/hope is that ESPN...
May 3, 2024, 4:02 PM
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According to many they have already told the ACC they are not renewing.
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Re: My guess/hope is that ESPN...
May 3, 2024, 6:06 PM
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I don't think that ESECPN would threaten to release the ACC from the contract, and the #1 reason why they wouldn't do that is, that would leave the ACC wide open for Fox and the Big to hand pick what ACC schools they want to bring into that Network and conference, and that would leave ESECPN and the SEC behind the 8 ball of having their choice picks of ACC schools...
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Re: My guess/hope is that ESPN...
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May 5, 2024, 2:57 PM
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Clemson and FSU cannot be trusted to comply with a contract that they signed...we better hope there is significant fraud in these papers enough so to make us look like victims of the ACC rather than members... FSWTC is already dead...we may be on life support!
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That's practical and astute.
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May 3, 2024, 3:32 PM
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I'd say the probability is upward of 90%.
If FSU and Clemson are offered and accept memberships in the SEC ESPiN won't lose a penny. If we go to the B1G ESPiN will take it on the chin.
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Re: That's practical and astute.
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May 3, 2024, 6:14 PM
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Exactly, that would leave a lot of money on the table at risk for either conference to lose out on, and it's the money that talks the loudest!!!
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Re: TNET: In notable decision, judge orders ACC to allow Clemson to study ESPN agreements
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May 3, 2024, 2:44 PM
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So they can't copy, take photos of, or make handwritten notes....does that mean they can type notes on a phone or lap top?
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Re: TNET: In notable decision, judge orders ACC to allow Clemson to study ESPN agreements
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May 3, 2024, 2:57 PM
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So they can't copy, take photos of, or make handwritten notes....does that mean they can type notes on a phone or lap top?
######## doeren won't like this comment
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Re: TNET: In notable decision, judge orders ACC to allow Clemson to study ESPN agreements
May 3, 2024, 3:45 PM
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bc the article stated no "ver batim" notes which implies the attorneys can make notes in their interpretations
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Re: TNET: In notable decision, judge orders ACC to allow Clemson to study ESPN agreements
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May 3, 2024, 2:44 PM
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Ohoooo, we get to see their homework. Goody!
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It sounds like Clemson has already viewed the documents, but this just
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May 3, 2024, 2:46 PM
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allows them to view them again without having to travel to nc and go through that rigamoro every time that they need to view it.
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Re: It sounds like Clemson has already viewed the documents, but this just
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May 3, 2024, 2:58 PM
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They viewed them enough to know they can now build a case around it in detail.
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Swofford family stock options...?***
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Re: TNET: In notable decision, judge orders ACC to allow Clemson to study ESPN agreements
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May 3, 2024, 2:53 PM
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Curious as to whether the SEC contract with ESPN and the BIG contract with Fox and GORs are also treated with such secrecy? If so are we just jumping from one pot into a frying pan or, as many suspect, Swoffie and the Tobacco Road tyrants will be exposed as full blown criminals who pulled a heist?
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Yes, they are. I read an article last week saying
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May 3, 2024, 3:38 PM
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that if the acc/espn agreement ends up being made public then teams in other conferences would start demanding that they release their agreements as well.
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Re: TNET: In notable decision, judge orders ACC to allow Clemson to study ESPN agreements
May 5, 2024, 3:05 PM
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Bet those tobacco road tyrants feel like they are dealing with a bunch of petulant children...don't ever sign a contract with us or the FSWTC...can't keep a deal or remember competitors or friends! Kinda sounds like something the 'COOTS' would do!
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Re: TNET: In notable decision, judge orders ACC to allow Clemson to study ESPN agreements
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May 3, 2024, 3:00 PM
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Wow - how could schools not be able to see the agreement they agreed to. Did they not all get to review it before they ever voted on it?
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Re: TNET: In notable decision, judge orders ACC to allow Clemson to study ESPN agreements
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Wow - how could schools not be able to see the agreement they agreed to. Did they not all get to review it before they ever voted on it?
Who really cares about reading something before voting on it anyway.
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Re: TNET: In notable decision, judge orders ACC to allow Clemson to study ESPN agreements
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May 3, 2024, 10:45 PM
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You are right...as Nancy P. said..."We have to pass it first before we know what's in it!"
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Re: TNET: In notable decision, judge orders ACC to allow Clemson to study ESPN agreements
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May 3, 2024, 7:10 PM
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Wow - how could schools not be able to see the agreement they agreed to. Did they not all get to review it before they ever voted on it?
Just thinking the same thing. This whole deal seems off and to have had every institution on board seems even more strange.
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Re: TNET: In notable decision, judge orders ACC to allow Clemson to study ESPN agreements
May 3, 2024, 3:23 PM
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B1G here we come
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Re: TNET: In notable decision, judge orders ACC to allow Clemson to study ESPN agreements
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There must be some sketchy ### #### in those documents……
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the snake that did it was radovich . that's why he was kicked out***
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Re: the snake that did it was radovich . that's why he was kicked out***
May 3, 2024, 3:38 PM
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Any lawyers on this board ? Talk to us in English.
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Clemson Conqueror [11933]
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See NOW FSU is gonna regret canceling that game during COVID
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May 3, 2024, 3:40 PM
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“Sorry due to public health concerns we can’t allow people from outside of our community to come into Clemson to view the documents”
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Re: TNET: In notable decision, judge orders ACC to allow Clemson to study ESPN agreements
May 3, 2024, 3:51 PM
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The elephant in the room is the article indicated the ACC can appeal which I am sure they will. This can stretch the time line out indefinitely.
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Re: TNET: In notable decision, judge orders ACC to allow Clemson to study ESPN agreements
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May 3, 2024, 4:22 PM
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Will the appeal still be in Pickens County?
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Re: TNET: In notable decision, judge orders ACC to allow Clemson to study ESPN agreements
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May 3, 2024, 4:28 PM
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I wonder if there will be any ESPN/SEC love letters mixed in?
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Re: TNET: In notable decision, judge orders ACC to allow Clemson to study ESPN agreements
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May 3, 2024, 4:40 PM
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Hire Michael Ross (Suits) to view the documents.
This whole secretive thing is very confusing to us common folks.
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All the proof I need that UFO secrets kept by the Guvment....
May 3, 2024, 5:23 PM
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...will never be pried loose....
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Re: TNET: In notable decision, judge orders ACC to allow Clemson to study ESPN agreements
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Page 29, paragraph 12, line 14...Swofford gets 10% of all revenue for the 'big guy'...
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The fact this contract is SO under lock and key is absolutely insane!
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This is fantastic news! Now that we get to turn the rock over let’s see what’s underneath!
I can’t wait to announce we’re leaving the ACC.
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Re: TNET: In notable decision, judge orders ACC to allow Clemson to study ESPN agreements
May 3, 2024, 7:05 PM
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Now we are getting somewhere!
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The ACC PLANTS who just joined TN and the few TIGERSs who want to.
May 3, 2024, 8:39 PM
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Continue to be faithful towards a spouse that continually cheats on them… WON’T LIKE THIS ONE BIT! lol
Let me drop a nugget…… Clemsons attorneys Already know what’s in it….
BOOM
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any legitimate agreement I've ever entered into...
May 4, 2024, 5:05 PM
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I was given a copy of the contract.
Can you imagine buying a car or a house, or accepting a job or becoming partner in a firm, but being told that to view the terms of the contract you had to travel out of state to view the document between armed guards but couldn't photograph it or write anything down?
This thing ought to fall apart.
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But Clemson didn't enter into the ACC-ESPN agreement, only the GOR agreement.
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Clemson signed away its media rights in the GOR agreement. Clemson has a copy of the GOR, but signed away its right to see the ACC-ESPN agreement.
It would be like you signing a loan agreement with a bank or an employment agreement with your employer. If the bank or your employer signed a confidential agreement to sell the company, they'd have no obligation (and would typically would agree to be contractually prevented) from disclosing the terms of that purchase-agreement with you.
The problem is that Clemson and the other ACC schools should have never agreed to the GOR as it was written-- with no media approval veto power, no transparency provisions, and no escape-clauses.
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I Think the GOR agreement was signed under duresss and
May 5, 2024, 7:52 PM
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ESPN working with Swoff told the ACC schools that you either sign or there will be no deal. This will make the deal non-binding if this was indeed the case.
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Duress is not a legal excuse. The ACC schools are big boys with lots of lawyers.
May 5, 2024, 8:17 PM
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Nobody put a gun to the heads of the ACC schools. There was time to negotiate simple provisions like transparency, voting rights, and performance-based escape clauses.
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Re: I Think the GOR agreement was signed under duresss and
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Except that's not at all what happened, and this can be proven.
The original GOR was signed after Maryland left, and it was an attempt by the ACC to prevent other members from leaving.
The GOR was extended when the ACC was attempting to create a conference network. The other conferences did this as well when creating conference networks
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