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Re: Yep.
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Mar 13, 2024, 11:20 AM
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Yes.
Hopefully I can provide some concrete illustrations of that in upcoming posts.
In simplest terms, I see the Bible much more as a "quilt" than as a blanket.
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I'm not buying everything he says.
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Mar 13, 2024, 11:51 AM
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I will say this, Christ, Who authored the scripture gave us two commandments; to love God with all our hearts and to love others with His Holy love.
As for me, if there is any directions on politics in the scripture it's to yield to the powers that be, pray for leader (ALL OF THEM) and ignore politics altogether.
How many times have I posted this here? Neither Jesus, His Apostles nor the first Churches got involved in politics. Fact is, Christ did millions of things we can't do. What He refused to do we can mimic. He never got involved in politics.
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Re: I'm not buying everything he says.
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Mar 13, 2024, 11:59 AM
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> "I will say this, Christ, Who authored the scripture"
Debatable.
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Re: I'm not buying everything he says.
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Mar 13, 2024, 1:00 PM
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That's all you got out of that?
Thanks for reminding me why I should never get married again.
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Re: I'm not buying everything he says.
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Mar 13, 2024, 1:15 PM
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If your spouse constantly spouts unsubstantiated stuff I agree.
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Re: I'm not buying everything he says.
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Mar 13, 2024, 1:14 PM
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I think that’s the biggest difference in the church today and first century Christians.
The latter was about spreading the news that the end was imminent.
Today it’s more inward focused not just on the church but america and like you say influencing society through politics.
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As he said "yield to the powers that be."***
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Mar 13, 2024, 4:03 PM
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Can I get an AMEN?
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Mar 13, 2024, 2:11 PM
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Your point cannot be driven home enough, especially in the face of growing "Christian Nationalism."
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Christian nationalist are spiritual children.
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Mar 13, 2024, 10:34 PM
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Some will grow out of it.
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Re: Christian nationalist are spiritual children.
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Mar 14, 2024, 10:06 AM
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I had to look it up. According to wiki, it is "Christianity-affiliated religious nationalism". That's right, it cant be defined without using the word itself. Reading on, the crux of it seems to be that anything somebody believes, that somebody else doesn't like, is Christian nationalism. It said Gov DeSantis is a Christian nationalist because he believes "the Constitution should be interpreted the way the framers intended." Yikes! Scalia was a Christian nationalist!
The article did, to it's credit, refer to a few people on the extreme right. Applied in reverse, "The squad believes whacko things, and VP Harris even thinks a progressive tax is a good idea. What a whacko."
The term seems to be the new "evangelical", but meaner: "Those people we dont understand and it is okay to hate." You're a terrorist, by the way. This wont end well.
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It began as a group who wanted everyone not white deported.
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Mar 14, 2024, 3:22 PM
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It's certainly grown to a vast membership.
I"m guessing it includes blacks, browns, yellow and red now days. At least I'm not called a racist anymore.
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Re: It began as a group who wanted everyone not white deported.
Mar 14, 2024, 4:11 PM
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This is interesting enough to look up. Not tons of hard data out there, but it seems KKK membership is rapidly declining. In 2017 there were 50-ish KKK groups, and in 2023 there were only 18, more than half of those being in 4 states. Total membership is hard to know, but can't be more than a couple thousand in 18 declining groups. The Southern Poverty Law Center, which exists because this subject does, so they track it, said, "It may be that the KKK, having somehow endured since 1866, is finally on its last legs.”
Well, darn it, you can't build a political movement on hating something soon to not even exist, so we now track 'hate groups'. Even doing that doesn't produce a worthy opponent, so we now have 'Christian nationalist', into which we can throw anyone who is (1) Christian and (2) any other identifier/accusation anyone wants to make. You can say you are not one - you and I don't even know what one is - but others say you are, so you are. Welcome to the USA.
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Re: I'm not buying everything he says.
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Mar 13, 2024, 4:10 PM
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Agree. People have always wanted to use Jesus for their own ends, to fit him into their desires or to claim He supports their left or right politics. When Jesus refuses, people follow Him or execute Him, still today. Where I agree with the clip is that we often assume what is in the NT refers to our current culture rather than to the underlying gospel.
Edit: His bio says PhD. His thesis was apparently on what Jesus and the NT does not say. He has many opinions on that, none I have heard on what it does say.
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You hit the nail on the head.
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Mar 13, 2024, 10:43 PM
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Christ was crucified because of the politics of His day. Pharisees had control over the Hebrew people. Herod replaced the real priest with power hungry sycophants who feared Jesus would upset the apple cart.
The guy in the video has made a life by tempting the spiritually young into believing the Bible isn't God's Word. Idk if he is deceived or just plain evil. Christian Nationalist are the very least of America's problems. Politics and politicians are at the top of that list.
If one wants to be either liberal or conservative he has every right. This is America. God won't be dragged into it.
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Re: You hit the nail on the head.
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Mar 14, 2024, 6:48 AM
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So let me get this straight an all powerful loving god creates his word and wants a relationship with us but can’t make it more convincing than some dude on YouTube?
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Re: You hit the nail on the head.
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Mar 14, 2024, 9:42 AM
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Correct. Jesus came full of grace and truth. It wasn't enough.
He was not orthodox enough for the Pharisees
He was not relevant enough for Martha.
He was not affirming enough for Nicodemus.
He was not political enough for Judas.
He was not believable enough for Peter.
He was not innocent enough for Pilate.
Some of those people saw him walk on water. All of them executed him or stood by and watched.
Same with you. Like them, you are more important than Him, so choose to be unconvinced. Your choice.
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Re: You hit the nail on the head.
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Mar 14, 2024, 9:56 AM
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So the point still stands, it sounds like this is an incredibly unconvincing god. You aren't refuting that point.
>Some of those people saw him walk on water. All of them executed him or stood by and watched.
Well, no, we don't actually have good evidence for that. People see Mary all the time, but you don't believe that and we can actually interview those people.
As you said before, "I'd want to see the alien". You are the one being inconsistent, not me.
>Same with you. Like them, you are more important than Him, so choose to be unconvinced. Your choice.
I'm more important than someone I don't have any verifiable evidence exists? Ok. sure.
But we've been over this, you don't choose your beliefs. I can't choose to believe in something I have no good evidence for any more than you can choose to believe that Santa is real.
Go ahead, try it. Truly believe Santa is real and get back to me.
But you already know this.
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