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Wise words from Terrence Oglesby.
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His Facebook post this morning:
Posted this somewhere else but need to share with everyone of my friends that are Clemson fans.
BASKETBALL IS NOT FOOTBALL.
Teams lose games.
This fire Brad phenomenon is limited to Clemson at a school where they are CLEARLY second fiddle. He’s the school’s all time leader in wins, brought a Sweet 16 to town, and stayed out of the newspaper for the wrong reasons. It’s crazy.
Here are some other games last night that had nothing to do with Clemson. Notice all ranked losses came away from home.
No. 1 Purdue lost at Nebraska.
No. 2 Houston lost at Iowa State.
No. 3 Kansas lost at UCF.
No. 5 Tennessee lost at Miss State.
No. 9 Oklahoma lost at TCU.
No. 17 Colorado State lost at Boise.
No. 21 Clemson lost at Virginia Tech.
Last year’s National Champion had 8 losses on the year.
Just a thought 💭
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Tell 'em shill
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Except UConn is a blue blood program.
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Jan 11, 2024, 7:03 AM
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Clemson isn't.....
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Re: Except UConn is a blue blood program.
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Jan 11, 2024, 8:29 AM
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So UConn has no excuse for losing.
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Re: Wise words from Terrence Oglesby.
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Jan 11, 2024, 7:04 AM
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Brad has the most losses in school history.
Brad has only one Sweet 16 appearance in 13 years.
Clemson has a history of losing streaks in Jan/Feb under Brad.
Clemson has lost 3 straight games by double digits in which they were favored.
See how facts, when worded differently, can paint a clearer picture?
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Thats a lot of words to say absolutely nothing
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Are all those teams on a 3 game double digit loss streak?
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Re: Wise words from Terrence Oglesby.
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Missed this post before i posted. I will delete mine.
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Re: Wise words from Terrence Oglesby.
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You mean to tell me that the angry trolls on this board are angry because of 3 losses, even though they thought our record would be much worse going into the season? Color me not surprised.
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You just dont get it. No one would care about the 3 losses if it wasnt
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For the product in the last 13 years. By the way you should delete more posts it’s some of your best work.
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Re: Wise words from Terrence Oglesby.
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Jan 11, 2024, 7:52 AM
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Hmmm. Why’s Brad so angry if it’s an unavoidable part of the game and everyone is doing the bestest. Per Larry Williams, Brad Brownell is “angirer with his team tonight than he has been in a while”. Had choices words for players and was naming names. You feel like setting the boss man straight?
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Re: The amount of stupid that spews from your keyboard is impressive
Jan 11, 2024, 8:25 AM
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Do you mean terrence oglesby's keyboard?
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No one cares about a 3 game slide. They care about 13 years
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Of mediocrity.
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Re: No one cares about a 3 game slide. They care about 13 years
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Jan 11, 2024, 8:04 AM
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Im here to tell you that a lot of people care about the 3 game slide.
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Re: Wise words from Terrence Oglesby.
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Jan 11, 2024, 7:50 AM
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Brad Brownell, per Larry Williams, “angrier with his team that he has been in a while”. So, is Terrence trying to tell Brad something?
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Same old, same old***
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Jan 11, 2024, 8:01 AM
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Re: Same old, same old***
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Jan 11, 2024, 8:21 AM
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I have followed Clemson basketball closely for decades. The 3 game slide is bad enough, add in multiple players having career nights against Clemson and 3 double digit losses and it becomes a big deal. You can’t blame fans for losing hope when Brad has the record he does.
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Re: Same old, same old***
Jan 12, 2024, 7:32 AM
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He’s the one who doesn’t know what he’s talking about, we had a three game losing streak in conference last year after a pretty good start out of conference, and then finish the season, losing three out of five. Once again, trying to blame the fans for the coach’s poor performance. This is simply trying to take the data and find micro- trends that buck the overall trend.
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Re: Wise words from Terrence Oglesby.
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Before we go forward i would like for you all to admit the following:
Terrence oglesby knows way more about basketball than you.
Terrence oglesby knows way more about the ins and outs if clemson basketball than you.
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Re: Wise words from Terrence Oglesby.
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Jan 11, 2024, 8:05 AM
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Apparently you think he knows more than Brad too which, therefore, alleviates none of my concerns.
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Re: Wise words from Terrence Oglesby.
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Jan 11, 2024, 8:28 AM
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Ahhh. Typical dishonest viztiz outting words in others mouths. #troll.
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Re: Wise words from Terrence Oglesby.
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Jan 11, 2024, 9:08 AM
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Try to follow. If we’re not supposed to be upset/disappointed because TO says we shouldn’t be, then BB shouldn’t be upset either. Since both are authorities on Clemson basketball relative to anyone on this board, their opinion should matter more (you explicitly stated as much regarding TO). So who had more expertise regarding this specific situation and whose opinion on how to react should matter more? Unfortunately for you, because you’re so quick to simp for Brownell, you’ve painted yourself in a corner.
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It's not that youre hard to follow.
Jan 11, 2024, 9:38 PM
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It's just that reasonable people might assume the Clemson HC didnt consult Twitter before deciding to become upset with his team's sloppy play.
And those same reasonable people might assume Oglesby isnt addressing basketball coaches, he's addressing mercurial fans who go all Holy Grail "Brownell's a WITCH!" after every CU loss.
It's hard to defend the loss, for sure. But it's equally hard to deny that VT was the hot hand last night, at home, and wouldve beaten plenty of ranked teams.
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Re: Wise words from Terrence Oglesby.
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Jan 11, 2024, 8:29 AM
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I would prefer that we didnt hire somebody with no coaching experience, but thanks
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Re: Wise words from Terrence Oglesby.
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Jan 11, 2024, 8:08 AM
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The football team is good so we shouldn’t want to be good in basketball. Got it.
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I do agree with the notion that this CU BB team will have 8 losses***
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Re: Wise words from Terrence Oglesby.
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Jan 11, 2024, 8:14 AM
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Will these words apply in early March when we're playing another home NIT game?
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Re: Wise words from Terrence Oglesby.
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Where does Briwnie stand in terms of all time loses???
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Re: Wise words from Terrence Oglesby.
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Jan 11, 2024, 8:29 AM
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Let’s see - which is different from the others.
Which of the teams has lost 3 in a row by double digits?
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Re: Wise words from Terrence Oglesby.
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Jan 11, 2024, 8:32 AM
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I don’t like losing.
But TO is 100% correct.
And we can play better than we did last night.
Quick obvious analysis says something drastically wrong with our defense and particularly how we defend three-pointers in the last few games.
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Re: Wise words from Terrence Oglesby.
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So, a "defensive expert" coach doesn't know how to convey to his team the concept of defending?
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What a ridiculous statement.***
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We have more significant issues on defense than I anticipated.
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It's great to have players who are good on the offensive end, but sometimes that seems to come at a cost since this type of offensive-minded player isn't always as talented defensively. In some cases, it's an athleticism issue, while other times it's an effort issue.
I don't think this roster is capable of being our best defensive team ever, but I do think they can be better than they have been during the Miami game, the first half of the UNC game, and the first half of the Virginia Tech game. Those times I didn't feel that we played with enough effort on the defensive end.
We have to fix this ASAP. We can't expect to outscore teams every night.
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Re: Wise words from Terrence Oglesby.
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I know what the problem is. Since Brad is such an all-time great legendary coach and force of nature opposing players always rise to the occasion and play better than anyone thought possible. They set career scoring records, play incredible defense, pass the ball unselfishly, and play their hearts out. All this is to impress the legendary Brad Brownell. If Brad would resign this incentive would go away and Clemson would win more games.
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Herein lies the problem. That was our third L in a row
Jan 11, 2024, 8:45 AM
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And if you actually paid attention to the flow of the games, we’re looking a lot WORSE than we did a month ago.
But continue on with your agenda.
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WE ALL KNOW THIS ######.
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Jan 11, 2024, 8:50 AM
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We've all seen it before.
Passed time for him to be GONE. This was the year to prove that the School was right for sticking with him, HE DIDN'T.
All he showed was he's not the one.
Also,these ALL Portal teams can NEVER function as a COHESIVE unit.
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Overreact much?***
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Re: Wise words from Terrence Oglesby.
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His Facebook post this morning: Posted this somewhere else but need to share with everyone of my friends that are Clemson fans. BASKETBALL IS NOT FOOTBALL. Teams lose games. This fire Brad phenomenon is limited to Clemson at a school where they are CLEARLY second fiddle. He’s the school’s all time leader in wins, brought a Sweet 16 to town, and stayed out of the newspaper for the wrong reasons. It’s crazy. Here are some other games last night that had nothing to do with Clemson. Notice all ranked losses came away from home. No. 1 Purdue lost at Nebraska. No. 2 Houston lost at Iowa State. No. 3 Kansas lost at UCF. No. 5 Tennessee lost at Miss State. No. 9 Oklahoma lost at TCU. No. 17 Colorado State lost at Boise. No. 21 Clemson lost at Virginia Tech. Last year’s National Champion had 8 losses on the year. Just a thought 💭 https://www.facebook.com/share/p/Ytd99sXBUznKCfBk/?mibextid=WC7FNe
Say you are a loser who accepts low standards without saying you are a loser with low standards, loser.
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Oh, I don't have low standards.
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Jan 11, 2024, 10:23 AM
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I want us to compete for national championships in basketball, and am willing to do what it takes to see our program get there.
I just realize that we haven't been willing to do what's necessary at Clemson to put ourselves in position to do that, and adjust my expectations accordingly.
I'm willing to make sacrifices to see us win big in basketball at Clemson, even if it means taking away some funding from football. I bet you aren't. After all, an overwhelming majority of Clemson fans aren't. Yet you continue to gripe and complain and act like we should be a top basketball program.
As I've said before, many of you want results but aren't willing to do what it takes to achieve them. How do I know? Because you think our coach is overpaid, you balk at new facilities for our basketball team, and you don't show up consistently to games. You think our coach is supposed to work magic simply because he's a Clemson coach and you want to see us win big.
It's like a fat person who is upset that they aren't thin, but isn't willing to change their diet and exercise in order to get there. Then they point out that rare person who seemingly eats whatever they want and stays thin, and uses that as an example of what's normal and what they should expect.
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Re: Oh, I don't have low standards.
Jan 12, 2024, 7:18 AM
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How could you even put Brownell and "compete for National Championships" in the same universe? It's clear he's not that guy to all but you, Neff, and a few others.
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Re: Wise words from Terrence Oglesby.
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He's the all-team leader in losses, too.
He has a losing record in ACC play.
His teams average 7.5th place finish in 14 years.
He's playing in an expanded league, with 20 conference games and winning less than one ACC game more per year than Barnes did with 14 game seasons (i.e., 6 more games, but can only win 1 more?).
He's playing in an unbalanced league, where his teams are not likely to face the top teams in the league only once per year, which is a good thing, because his teams seldom beat a higher ranked team...they lose more games to the bottom of the league, though.
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TO is a CBB crotch sniffing apologist just like some others around here.***
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No he isn't.
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He's been very objective about our program. A couple of years ago, he said he didn't think we were an NCAA Tournament team.
But I realize that is thoughts don't align with what you want to believe, so you criticize him.
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Re: Wise words from Terrence Oglesby.
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3 losses in a row is concerning, and so is the trajectory of the program in general. We were supposed to get this bump after the Littlejohn renovations/ facilities upgrades and that never came. In an era when the ACC had one and dones and guys going to the NBA there was going to be a payoff when our guys were juniors and seniors and played as a unit and that has never materialized. The early build up for going 10-0 or 14-1 before ACC play and then ending the year within a game or two of .500 in conference has played out over and over and over again.
Even last years in conference performance which was better, getting dominated by 20 points in the ACC tournament and getting left out of the NCAAs just goes to show there is zero respect for Brad's program in basketball circles.
Brad's got to know that in 2024 going deep in the ACC tourney, getting an NCAA bid are the minimum expectations. Anything less and the experiment is over, thank you for your service, we're done here. It's time to move on.
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But there has been a bump in the program.
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Since the renovations, we have had one of our best seasons in program history, had another season where we beat the most NCAA Tournament teams in one season, and have seen our average wins and average ACC finish increase compared to pre-renovation.
We've also seen our recruiting improve.
I don't understand how anyone who is paying attention can't see the improvement in the program.
Now, if the issue is that you want to see MORE improvement than we've had, that's fine. I get that. But to portray our program as being stagnant isn't accurate.
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Re: But there has been a bump in the program.
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2 NCCA tournament appearances with his own players in 13 years. Yes, that is stagnant.
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Winning a basketball game is indeed very hard.
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Half the teams that played yesterday lost.
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how long did it take you to wash all the jocks?***
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Re: Wise words from Terrence Oglesby.
Jan 11, 2024, 10:38 PM
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Last week judge posted we would be a 3 seed according to an article in the Atlantic to validate how amazing our season is and is going to be. What he meant was brad is coaching and to expect 3 losses shortly. Slight miscommunication. If we only had the resources Clemson soccer had and utilized the portal brad would have us dancing over the morehead states of the world. Oh wait…
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