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If they do, I believe they will ruin a great sport!! No need to be selfish!!***
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Re: If they do, I believe they will ruin a great sport!! No need to be selfish!!***
Feb 3, 2024, 6:12 AM
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They have been doing their own thing for years...what will change...apermanent master association with ESPN...too big to fail as long as fans worship them...when there is something else to do in Alabama or Miss or Tenn and large numbers of graduates still worship there it will shine! Roll Tide!
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Thats a joke.***
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Re: Thats a joke.***
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Feb 2, 2024, 2:13 PM
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Hope they do. We will be done with them then.
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Re: Thats a joke.***
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Feb 2, 2024, 2:14 PM
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Sankey says they're not going to be the status quo. They could be in together to make movement happen to the NIL and transfer portal craziness. FSU says they knew there was going to be some kind of major movement and that's why they acted when they did.
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Re: Thats a joke.***
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Yeah, that's what I heard too. The B1G pundits (I guess like our Clemson media youtube show) or the radio call in show etc, said yesterday that B1G was looking to bring in fsu and unc... but unc said they wanted to bring nc st along and B1G told them that wasn't happening. They didn't want nc st.
Interesting stuff. I wonder what happened with that big bad alliance with B1G, acc, and pac12.... lol. I believe this one has more teeth.
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Re: Will SEC and Big Break Away?
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Feb 2, 2024, 2:40 PM
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The writing is on the wall for two divisions. The two conferences are doing this to control the outcome as much as they can.
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Re: Will SEC and Big Break Away?
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Feb 2, 2024, 3:11 PM
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Exactly. They'll drive everyone out the market and set up their own business essentially.
I know bretfsu has brought up a ton of information about all of this. But what happens to the b12 and acc leftovers so to speak. As well as the g5. Another league? Stay under the ncaa and the 2 league is football only? Wild. Lot's of questions.
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Re: Will SEC and Big Break Away?
Feb 2, 2024, 4:08 PM
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Do you think the leagues that break away in football will be allowed to compete in the NCAA in other sports if the split is not on NCAA terms?
I think Title IX would still apply and I think it would be hard for those schools to be compliant.
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Re: Will SEC and Big Break Away?
Feb 2, 2024, 7:21 PM
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Don't believe these Richard noggins on some random pod-cast. They have no more knowledge than you or I. The only thing I would agree with is that change is coming. People claiming they know is absurd. I guess these talking heads knew Texas and Oklahoma were going to the SEC before it was announced.
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Re: Will SEC and Big Break Away?
Feb 3, 2024, 8:08 AM
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I think this was done for multiple reasons. First and foremost, it is a warning shot across the bow of the NCAA by both, but primarily Sankey and the SEC. The NCAA is suddenly investigating programs for NIL violations, starting with the obvious candidate, and the SEC and B1G are making it clear to the NCAA it better back off. If not, they will destroy the NCAA.
I read a good analogy last night. Sankey/SEC are like the scorpion that the frog/CFB gave a ride across the pond. When they get to the other side Sankey then stings CFB and it dies. With its last breath CFB asks, "Why did you do that? I gave you a ride across the pond." In reply Sankey says "Because I am a scorpion. It is what I do."
The SEC has ridden across the pond on the back of CFB , now has no use for it and will kill it. Nothing the SEC does is designed to help anything other than the SEC. The ACC and Big 12 are largely disposed of and are no longer a threat. They could have been had they merged years ago but they failed to see what the SEC and B1G were up to until too late. The NCAA and its historical control of CFB are next. It too failed to see what they were up to, and will lose CFB to the SEC/B1G. Now everyone else is asking why, and the answer is simply "It's what I do"
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Re: Will SEC and Big Break Away?
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Feb 3, 2024, 9:46 AM
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You are wrong. The bumbling NCAA is forcing the SEC and the B1G to act. They have no choice. It is way beyond the wild, wild west and something MUST be done. They are forced to say enough is enough. Same thing must happen with the government up in Washington.
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Re: Will SEC and Big Break Awa
Feb 3, 2024, 10:48 AM
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I have a strong feeling the law of unintended consequences is going to rear its head here. You’re not trying to benevolently save football. It’s a mad power grab which is ill thought out. The revenue gains are insignificant because they are just consumed by the college football arms race and may be throwing “good after bad” as player salaries become part of the illustration. And all of this so that the same 90% of schools within the Big2 that have no shot at a championship will continue to have no shot at a championship. They aren’t strengthening their chances in the future. They’re just making it easier for Alabama, UGA, Ohio State, maybe Michigan and Southern Cal to win the title every year. Which is going to bore the crap out of people and destroy the commercial value of the sport. The CFP trumpeted their viewership this year which still hasn’t equaled the first CFP. The 2024 CFP was down 9 million people or 26% from the original in 2015. The NFL (Super Bowl viewership, playoffs have shown tremendous growth) has been flat over that period, but the 2015 and 2023 Super Bowls are 2 of the 3 most watched tv broadcast in history. The current state of college football is not building an national audience - at all.
The Federal government is going to intrude and will craft a product probably more compromised than what could have been achieved if the Big2 had tried to operate in the interest of the sport and general public. Which is what would ultimately yielded the best return.
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The federal government can't intrude.
Feb 3, 2024, 1:06 PM
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Anything that regulates NIL or free transfers has already been defeated in court every time some entity sued the NCAA.
The feds can't institute things that are unconstitutional, violations of the Stafford Act, or violations of the interstate Commerce Act.
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Re: The federal government can't intrude.
Feb 3, 2024, 6:12 PM
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I assume by this statement that you are unaware that professional sports in this country operate under anti-trust exemptions allowing them to do exactly what you are claiming they can't.
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Re: Will SEC and Big Break Away?
Feb 4, 2024, 10:24 AM
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Nothing the NCAA is going to do can be done without the administration's of the universities and the SEC are not going along with...football is larger than academics and has been for many years...the SEC eliminated the ACT & SAT constraints on football when they felt the NCAA could no longer push the student athlete enigma if challenged! We now have football gone wild!
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Re: Will SEC and Big Break Away?
Feb 5, 2024, 5:46 AM
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Almost comical that anyone associated with Tennessee would accuse anyone of bumbling...the dog and pony show that has been Tennessee for the last ten years is in Websters definition of bumbling they are too stupid to get out of their own way!
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Re: Will SEC and Big Break Away?
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There are so many moving parts to this who knows how this will play out.
If the “Big 2” split away in football how will the federal government treat this in regards to Title IX? How will the schools? What if the government says great - now you have to create an equal number of female equivalent jobs paying the same gross amount? It is very plausible, if not likely, that would be an interpretation.
They may appear insignificant from a gross revenue standpoint but if the non-“Big 2” schools boot them out of all other sports? The NCAA basketball tourney is actually more valuable property than the CFP media rights. Football is only regarded as the most valuable because the NCAA pilfers the basketball revenue and football has been left alone. A simple majority of school presidents wins NCAA votes and the Big 2 are wildly outnumbered.
When does the federal government get involved? Any semi-pro form of football only survives if given anti-trust status. What percentage of the senate and house are represented by schools in the “Big 2”. Do we think the dozens of major state schools will take this lying down? There will be a huge political price to pay for anyone perceived as permitting major schools to be left behind.
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Re: Will SEC and Big Break Away?
Feb 3, 2024, 10:50 AM
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I’ve been following this guy on X for awhile now. His analysis and comments about the Big10 realignment moves has been the most intriguing to me. Many things he’s said would happen have moved in that direction, so I no longer discount his posts. This one from last night is long but worth the read. Maybe it’s completely wrong, but file it away as the events of realignment unfold this year.
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Re: Will SEC and Big Break Away?
Feb 3, 2024, 11:21 AM
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That part about Clemson not saying anything is not really true IMO. Neff just said in that presser two months ago plenty of conversations are being held externally and internally.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfIOIxCMH2U
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Re: Will SEC and Big Break Away?
Feb 3, 2024, 11:33 AM
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That part about Clemson not saying anything is not really true IMO. Neff just said in that presser two months ago plenty of conversations are being held externally and internally. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfIOIxCMH2U
Be careful, he said following up with actions. Of course Clemson has been transparent about discussions in the background, but the discussions have to arrive at actions taken. I like that Clemson has kept their business out of the headlines, but eventually they have to pull the trigger. He’s only pointing out that others could jump in front of Clemson if they wait too long. That may be a bad take on his part, but interesting to consider.
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Re: Will SEC and Big Break Away?
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You really nailed this! I’m not even sure the P2 realizes the can they will open. One tiny example is look at the political power the “elites” behind SMU wielded to get them in the ACC. Multiply that by many many times when you start telling the political majority their schools don’t have a place. The B1G and SEC may indeed have a power play in mind, but I’m not sure they’ve fully thought the political ramifications through? As you stated, the federal Title IX is a great equalizer and it’s interpretation in the political arena could be a great weapon used against the P2. Interesting times.
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Re: Will SEC and Big Break Away?
Feb 5, 2024, 8:09 PM
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SMU to ACC is about some control of a monster market...DFW...and SMU is a minor player in that market with UT, TAMU, OK and TCU control a larger share than SMU but the ponies may grow into the winner! If the $$$ are the reason SMU can help!
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Re: Will SEC and Big Break Away?
Feb 3, 2024, 10:57 AM
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It’s common knowledge that there will be a consolidation of the top teams. Dabo said so at a presser last year. What is interesting to me is why you need to come to a message board of a team not in either league to post the article? Did you think we would not have known unless you pointed it out?
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Re: Will SEC and Big Break Away?
Feb 3, 2024, 11:27 AM
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It’s common knowledge that there will be a consolidation of the top teams. Dabo said so at a presser last year. What is interesting to me is why you need to come to a message board of a team not in either league to post the article? Did you think we would not have known unless you pointed it out?
He’s commented on Clemson’s move to the P2 in the past and in this post. He’s covers topics more deeply than just saying there will be a super football conference someday down the road. Ignore it if that’s your intention. I post it for others that may be interested on what’s going on right now between the SEC and Big10. What they do impacts Clemson, because clearly Clemson has no intention to stay in the ACC. There are only two other conferences that are viable landing spots.
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Re: Will SEC and Big Break Away?
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Feb 3, 2024, 11:23 AM
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I wish everything would go back to how it was pre-CFP but have a commissioner of college football and an established governing body. Right now that is the NCAA and nobody takes them seriously. There’s nobody to lay down the law on the portal and NIL
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Re: Will SEC and Big Break Away?
Feb 3, 2024, 1:54 PM
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Let's hope so. Then we quite calling what they do college football and call it
the semi-pro league.
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There'll be nothing "semi" about it!***
Feb 5, 2024, 8:11 AM
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Re: Will SEC and Big Break Away?
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Really, I couldn't give a crap anymore. Go ahead and screw it up. There will be no more legitimate national champions. It will be like it was back before the 1940's. Teams like Alabama or Harvard will just claim a national championship.
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About the way everything goes when there is big money. Greed and power soon becomes the end game.
I say let the 2 do what they want and more than likely it will crash and burn. Going to take something like that to re right the ship. I really hate what has become of something I once enjoyed. Not sure with the changes if my interest will not eventually wane.
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Re: Will SEC and Big Break Away?
Feb 5, 2024, 8:43 AM
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