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Re: What's up with the Women's Golf program?
Jun 29, 2016, 11:16 AM
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Swept under sand in one of the bunkers I think. Yep very disappointing. If this isn't a prima donna revolt then this guy needs to go
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Re: What's up with the Women's Golf program?
Jun 29, 2016, 11:17 AM
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horton is dead man walking.
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Re: What's up with the Women's Golf program?
Jun 29, 2016, 11:21 AM
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deservedly so it sounds like. how did we blow it this badly on a hire. I would imagine dozens of good candidates wanted this. what happened to get us in this mess
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how will he ever be able to recruit with that kind of
Jun 29, 2016, 11:47 AM
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rep? You're best players leave and even if he didn't break any rules, being in a bad environment is not good. They might as well just fire him now before the program takes a long term hit on its rep.
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Re: how will he ever be able to recruit with that kind of
Jun 29, 2016, 12:29 PM
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He's done well recruiting girls from this state, but that's over now.
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This should clear it up...
Jun 29, 2016, 11:23 AM
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"There was no violation of any policy,” Horton told the Independent Mail on Tuesday. “My goal is always to bring the best out of my players, and we are looking forward to building on the success we have had."
Sounds to me like there's nothing to see here.
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Re: This should clear it up...
Jun 29, 2016, 11:25 AM
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believe what you will.
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Back atcha***
Jun 29, 2016, 11:49 AM
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Re: girls are complaining?
Jun 29, 2016, 11:52 AM
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A few words to the wise....
Seriously, if it were one complainer I wouldn't be so concerned, but it sounds as though most of the team has issues with him. It needs to be addressed.
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haha and maybe, girls that spend a lot of time together...
Jun 29, 2016, 12:11 PM
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suffer from an awkward phenomenon where their cycles align - or it could be something in the waters?
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It doesn't sound like it was sexual harassment but I'm
Jun 29, 2016, 11:24 AM
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curious as to what actually did happen. It sounds like several of his players had problems with him.
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Re: It doesn't sound like it was sexual harassment but I'm
Jun 29, 2016, 12:15 PM
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They don,t like being grabbed and told to get their head put of their ### !
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Where is DRad on this one? Seems the athletic department
Jun 29, 2016, 11:27 AM
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thinks this has been taken care of.
Can't imagine it would be very hard to recruit against Clemson right now with the majority of the team possibly bad mouthing the coach to potential recruits.
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Re I would not worry about Horton. He is a winner.***
Jun 29, 2016, 12:18 PM
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Re: Re I would not worry about Horton. He heard a "who"
Jun 29, 2016, 12:26 PM
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didnt he? 
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Many of these young ladies (not all), as well as the men,
Jun 29, 2016, 12:21 PM
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have been pampered and treated like prima donnas from an early age...just the way golf is. When they get away on their own, or out from under their parents, sometimes they may be treated a little tougher than they are accustomed. Different ones react in different ways. JT has a nice young female assistant coach and she seems like a no-nonsense type of coach, as obviously JT is. I am giving JT the benefit of the doubt now and hoping this gets straightened out!
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Re: Many of these young ladies (not all), as well as the men,
Jun 29, 2016, 1:03 PM
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That is part of what coaching at a major program entails is dealing with the personalities. Golf is a special case where it doesn't matter how good a coach is, raw talent and desire to be the best will always win out. If the best talent on your team is leaving you should adapt your approach. Sounds like that hasn't happened so far and it is hurting the program.
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Literally, all a golf coach has to do is keep people happy
Jun 29, 2016, 1:09 PM
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and develop a team chemistry. Golfers have their own individual coaches. A golf coach just finds the talent and develops chemistry.
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Re: Literally, all a golf coach has to do is keep people happy
Jun 29, 2016, 1:13 PM
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or develops talent for other schools in this case it appears
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Re: Literally, all a golf coach has to do is keep people happy
Jun 29, 2016, 3:31 PM
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I cannot speak directly, but based upon what it in the media I would not be surprised if Clemson does not hire a new Women's coach before the close of summer session.
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The Nail on the Head here!!!
Jun 29, 2016, 5:40 PM
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The Biggest thing, I mean the Biggest thing a coach needs to know is this when coaching...
You push Men. You motivate Women.
When you've learned that, coaching becomes a WHOLE lot easier for all parties.
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Why would you give a guy the benefit of the doubt
Jun 29, 2016, 1:07 PM
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when your top golfers are leaving the program unless the program was good?
This is a new business, and this is a terrible way to attract new customers. Why would any great girl golfer want to risk coming to Clemson when they see the other top girl golfers leaving the program?
Terrible way to handle a "start-up business". Easy solution... Hire a new coach. We fired Tommy Bowden for winning 8 to 9 games a year. You don't have to commit sexual harassment to get fired in the coaching world.
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Re: Why would you give a guy the benefit of the doubt
Jun 29, 2016, 4:50 PM
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I guess because I know him, in a professional way, and I know what college age golfers are like. This is not the first time a college athlete ir two has left a program because they did not get along with a coach. If you are going to replace a coach every time an athlete complains, you will turn athletic programs into a merry-go-round. If things are not straightened out, if there is indeed a problem, something will be done soon enough!
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Re: Why would you give a guy the benefit of the doubt
Jun 29, 2016, 5:47 PM
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Some girls just don't respond to being grabbed by the face or by the shoulders. Before being criticized or critiqued by using the 7 words George Carlin used to say couldn't be said on TV. Other people besides me need to determine if that best represents the environment they want for Clemson. Players and parents will compare the situation here with other schools. The top players who have professional golf aspirations might not choose a place where no one has gotten better.
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Where there's this much smoke...there's probably fire...
Jun 29, 2016, 12:38 PM
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We just lost our Freshman (Stephens), the only one to ever make the NCAA's, to Bama. There is no reason our M & W golf shouldn't be top 20 every year.
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Re: Where there's this much smoke...there's probably fire...
Jun 29, 2016, 5:29 PM
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> We just lost our Freshman (Stephens), the only one to
> ever make the NCAA's, to Bama. There is no reason
> our M & W golf shouldn't be top 20 every year.
Just to post facts team scoring averages for the 3 years of the program.
2013-14
Fall scoring avg. 875.5
Spring scoring avg. 903.2
2014-15
Fall scoring avg. 901
Spring scoring avg. 924.2
2015-16
Fall scoring avg. 881.2
Spring scoring avg. 900
In football coaches say the tape doesn't lie. In golf the numbers don't lie.
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Re: Where there's this much smoke...there's probably fire...
Jun 30, 2016, 8:42 PM
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Hey keepitreal......Al.......your daughter went from having a 71 stroke in the fall (you were in jail) to having a 75 stroke average in the spring when you got out of jail and tried to take over. You couldn't get a job (after all you were a convicted felon) and made her leave after the first year. Your comments that she wanted to stay for four years is the biggest BS I have ever heard. Everyone associated with Your family knew she was on a 2 year plan. They ran you out of the state of Ga. and you are lucky the mob didn't take you out for skipping town of not 1, not 2, but 3 casinos. I hope you have fixed your drug addiction. Is it not sad enough that you have ruined your own life but you have to ruin Coach Hortons as well. If he is that bad, why is your daughter still on the team? How could you let her play for such a bad man? You are evil and nobody at Clemson has the balls to stop you. Thanks to Peanut and Root for showing the real you.......they are true Clemson fans!
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Re: What's up with the Women's Golf program?
Jun 29, 2016, 4:01 PM
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From my understanding of their complaints, I doesn't appear that the golf coach has done anything differently as far as physical or verbal than our men's coaches do. I'm pretty sure, most of our football and basketball players have had a coach tell them to get their head out of their ### or something similar. Also, we have all witnessed our coaches put their hands on a player. Can the women's golf coach be held to a different standard than the men's coaches? Do we even want to head down that slippery slope.
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I actually know all the coaches and players
Jun 29, 2016, 7:27 PM
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unlike most of you. Had a conversation with a current player today, while she was more diplomatic, the gist of her thoughts was this is total bs.
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Re: I actually know all the coaches and players
Jun 30, 2016, 3:14 PM
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> unlike most of you. Had a conversation with a
> current player today, while she was more diplomatic,
> the gist of her thoughts was this is total bs.
There is only one who would say that. Every coach has a pet.
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Sometimes IMO girls are women are waiting for something to happen they can turn
Jun 30, 2016, 12:49 PM
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into much much more than what it is. Any coach I have ever had has made some kind of physical contact during the coaching teaching process or just to say great effort or a congrats hug.
But now days people are on guard waiting for a reason to get something started or a reason to file a law suit.
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Whatever it is I hope they fix it
Jun 30, 2016, 3:29 PM
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Losing Ashlan Ramsey after 1 year when she wanted to stay for 4 did some serious damage to what was an otherwise promising program
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You got your wish!!!
Jul 1, 2016, 6:54 PM
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He gone!!
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