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What is going on here? SMH
Nov 7, 2022, 9:30 AM
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I don't usually post but I have been reading the posts on here for as long as I can remember. I have been a life long Tiger fan attending at least 4-5 games a year since the early 1980s. I can't for the life of me understand some of you and your posts regarding Dabo and the current state of the program. Maybe you don't remember the frustrations of the 80s, 90s and 2000's. We are still in the golden age of Clemson football and the sky is not falling. It's hard to win. It's hard to be one of the best teams and take everybody's best shot week in and week out. I will admit I was extremely disappointed this past weekend but some of the name calling, dragging through the mud of Dabo, any of his decisions about coordinators or questioning his fire and dedication is ridiculous. This man has led us to the promise land TWICE since the CFP was started. How many other schools can say that? Get some perspective on Clemson football and life in general!! You cannot win every game!! Every year!! Support the team and stop thinking that you have all the answers or put your application in at the football office so your references and past success can be judged by Graham Neff and the powers that be. I'll be there Saturday with the same passion and enthusiasm as I had last week before the loss. If you don't feel the same donate your tickets and get off the bus. There are plenty of people out here like me that will gladly take your place.
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A Tommy West/Bowden type loss begets lots of questions***
Nov 7, 2022, 9:41 AM
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Here's what's going on.....
Nov 7, 2022, 9:43 AM
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Dabo has refused to adapt to the NEW AGE of College Football. His cutting edge / forward thinking mentality catapulted us to the forefront of College Football back in the 2015-2018 era, from the shiny new toy of the Football Ops facility to the high flying high scoring offenses.......fast forward to the current CFB era....
He thinks whatever underdog he touches will be a "Renfrow" (coach or player).......he thinks every coach he promotes/gives a job will magically succeed because "IT'S CLEMSON"......the talent has been depleted from the 2015-2018 era. Call that development, misses on the trail, lack of 5star offensive talent, whatever........it's taken a massive hit.
Dabo doesn't need to OVERHAUL the way he RUNS his program, but he needs to tweak it to fit this era of CFB. His MOST IMPACTFUL hires have been from OUTSIDE the program.........Chad Morris and Brent Venables........he needs to do it again. New blood would go a long way. He doesn't need to snub his nose at the portal or NIL, he needs to embrace it and MAKE it fit into his philosphy.
Dabo's very smart, but he's also very stubborn and loyal to a fault...........he needs to get back the edge he had in 2011-2018. He was a man on a mission and I think there has been some sense of complacency set in amongst the players and staff.........SHAKE IT UP!!
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EXACTLY… COMPLACENCY IS THE DISEASE!***
Nov 7, 2022, 9:47 AM
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Re: Here's what's going on.....
Nov 7, 2022, 9:50 AM
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Best post I’ve read! You get it. How often do Head Coaches fire coordinators after 1 year, especially when they defended the hires publicly? If he does not adapt like you say, we are headed into the post Weinke FSU type situation.
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Wow . . .
Nov 7, 2022, 9:56 AM
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I could not have said that better myself. I could try, but it would be a waste of time.
You nailed it.
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Re: Here's what's going on.....
Nov 7, 2022, 9:58 AM
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If we need new blood then why is everyone clamoring for him to bring Jeff Scott back?
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here's my comment to that.......
Nov 7, 2022, 10:06 AM
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Jeff would be extremely instrumental on this staff (not necessarily OC, but this staff)......so I'm not really clamoring for him as OC, however his presence in more ways than just Co-OC has been truly missed..........btw NEITHER Jeff nor Venables were YES MEN......so that alone helps.
Keep in mind, keeping some from inside the program is fine, but the amount of inexperience former player hires in key positions is WAY TOO MUCH.........it ends up being an echo chamber.
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Re: here's my comment to that.......
Nov 7, 2022, 10:23 AM
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Do you really think Jeff want just as much of a yes man to Dabo as Streeter?
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no, I don't think that.***
Nov 7, 2022, 10:33 AM
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Re: here's my comment to that.......
Nov 7, 2022, 10:38 AM
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Personally, I don't think Jeff will come back simply because he has to prove he can stand on his own and be successful outside of the Clemson family. It would be in our best interest if he could come back and help out but not really in his best interest if he wants to work his way back into the conversation for another HC opportunity.
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I agree with that.....
Nov 7, 2022, 10:43 AM
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it probably isn't in his best interest and it may not be a real possibility, but we have missed many facets of his skillsets and not just Co-OC duties...........and that's why many want him back.
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Realize… things have trended downward since that LSU game!
Nov 7, 2022, 9:45 AM
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The OSU game was an embarrassment! We have been skating by playing in a weak ACC with generational QBs which hides a lot of crap. We are not evolving. The recruiting has fallen off. The whole attitude of the team has gone soft.
What are you watching sir? Seriously??♂️ Pay attention! This 1 game is the culmination of all that hot dew dew!
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I was there Saturday night and I’ll be there Saturday
Nov 7, 2022, 9:46 AM
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I was there in the Tommy Bowden years SO don’t accuse fans of not carrying for their team when they question last weekends performance. What are message boards for? To talk and discuss. We’ll circle the wagons and hopefully win out. Being at home the next three weeks helps but to say that we shouldn’t have question after the way we performed Saturday night and this entire season is ridiculous.
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Re: I was there Saturday night and I’ll be there Saturday
Nov 7, 2022, 10:02 AM
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There is a big gap between asking questions and calling things catastrophic and demanding heads roll. You sound rational and I agree there are lots of questions about the offense especially. I don’t have the answers like a lot on here do. But I will be there Saturday doing my job as a fan to help circle the wagons and try to get to 13-1.
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Honestly, I don't think you understand . . .
Nov 7, 2022, 9:53 AM
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the posture of criticism of many on this issue. And I say that respectfully in mere disagreement, not contentiousness . . .
I appreciate the perspective you offer on remembering hard times and not getting spoiled. (although, by the way, there weren't many frustrations in the 80's - some, but not that many).
So, I appreciate all that and take that exhortation heartily. But it doesn't follow that any criticism, even blunt criticism, emanates from a lack of perspective or a short memory. One can really appreciate all Dabo has done right - which has been incredible, without turning a blind eye to his and the staff's blind spots. They do have some.
For those that go overboard and get nasty - I agree w/ you. But there are plenty who are simply offering some frank, constructive criticism, and aren't being disloyal or spoiled in the least.
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Re: Honestly, I don't think you understand . . .
Nov 7, 2022, 11:10 AM
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I would say to this though, the criticism need to address actual problems. Throwing stuff against the wall in hopes that it sticks is not constructive.
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Sure, but much if not most of it is
Nov 7, 2022, 3:10 PM
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addressing real problems. A lot of defenders want to whip out some kind of false dichotomy, such as "it's not this, it's that," and then name what they think is the "primary" culprit. But false dichotomies aren't reality. It's a number of problems, and while not all critics would assign the same percentages of "blame" to each aspect, the same general group of things is being addressed: QB Play, OL Play, WR play, playcalling and game plannning, etc.
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Re: Sure, but much if not most of it is
Nov 7, 2022, 5:46 PM
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Right, but firing Streeter isn't going to make the receivers run faster.
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Orange Blooded [2753]
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Gimmie a break . . .
Nov 8, 2022, 9:50 AM
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DJ fails to throw to open guys all the time. The whole "WR's not getting open" bit is way overblown. They don't get separation as much as in past years, but they get more than we're utilizing, that's for sure.
I know Dabo's not about to fire Streeter. That's not the point. But if we keep calling the same plays as often as we are, we'll be tying one arm behind our backs. Yes, there are problems other than playcalling, but we're exacerbating things by being predictable.
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Great, one of these posts again.
Nov 7, 2022, 9:55 AM
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Maybe you need to get some perspective.
We have a football budget among the highest in the country. We pay our head coach $10 million a year. We have the best football facilities in America. These coaches have everything they need to be successful.
The product on the field the last two years is not meeting expectations. Period.
If we are okay losing several games a year and missing out on the playoffs, then we need to stop investing in the program like we are an elite team (which we aren't anymore, by the way).
We all appreciate what Dabo has done, but he is responsible for the results - good and bad. When he wins, he gets adoration and life-changing pay raises. When he loses, he gets criticism. That's how this works.
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Re: Great, one of these posts again.
Nov 7, 2022, 10:19 AM
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“ The product on the field the last two years is not meeting expectations. Period.”
“Period”. Really? So you’re in charge now? You get to make that declaration? Good to know. So what are you doing about it? Don’t worry everyone. JK had put his foot down. It’ll all be sorted shortly.
Wait, I thought you were of some deep importance to our basketball team. You certainly portray yourself as having inside information about recruits and player development. You’ve given detailed analysis of the coaches opinions on players - far beyond anything said in media interviews. Stuff not covered on any fan sites like this and you portray it as fact. As someone so important to our basketball program how have you found the time to focus so much on our football program immediately before our home opener in basketball? I’m perplexed. I would think the operations manager (or someone of similar stature) for our basketball program would have higher priorities.
Or perhaps, and I’m just spit ballin’ so don’t take it as a personal attack, you are just completely full of sh*t.
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Re: Great, one of these posts again.
Nov 7, 2022, 10:56 AM
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I was with you right up to the point where you said the program is not still elite. I guess it depends on your definition and the number of teams you put in the elite category. Other than maybe ALA, GA, and OSU, who would you consider more "elite" than us? Or, are those the only programs you still consider elite, and everyone else is part of the ROY bus?
We are still an elite program by measures most people consider elite. We still recruit well on a national basis even knowing we can do better, we do have the facilities you mentioned and we do win double-digit games in double-digit consecutive years. We have been to 6 of 7 playoffs and probably 6 of 8 after this year which is better than all but one other team. Have the last 2 years fallen a little short of expectations? Yes, they have. Am I someone that is not satisfied with our direction right now? Yes, I am. Is there reason to be concerned that this current trend is worrisome and needs to be addressed before losing becomes a habit? Yes, there is.
But having said all of that, we are still one of the best programs in the country and everything we have to deal with is fixable if we have the will, the motivation, and the desire to embrace the changes that need to be made. I know that up to now, Dabo has insisted his way is the only way and that may have set us a bit behind where we thought we would be. I do not believe it is in his nature to continue to let things slide. I think he will engage in the offseason and begin to put measures in place to right the ship.
We may still struggle over the next couple of years until we address some of our recruiting gaps, use of the portal, and coaching changes but I do still believe in Dabo and think he will be resilient in addressing the issues once he gets past some of his ill-fated tendencies. You can only deny the issues for so long before you have to face the music and address them and I don't think he is too far away from doing that.
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Clemson is an elite program, but this team isnt.
Nov 7, 2022, 11:23 AM
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If that makes sense....
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Re: What is going on here? SMH
Nov 7, 2022, 9:59 AM
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It’s not losing as much as it is the way we lost
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Re: What is going on here? SMH
Nov 7, 2022, 10:15 AM
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Losing is one thing. I don't expect to win every game, but I do expect to be competitive in every game. I expect that having two weeks to prepare for a team that can do nothing but run the football to have a plan to defend the run. I expect to see an offense that moves north and south not east and west.
If we're 100% honest as a fan base, then we should have seen the writing on the wall for the team this year. Squeaking by teams in the ACC shouldn't be the norm. Beats the heck out of losing to them but no reason to believe we were playoff caliber.
Recruiting has dropped off, that's a fact. Offense is vanilla and predictable. Is there some reason we can't run a slant or crossing patterns to create open receivers? I know what play is going to happen 75% of the time as does the old lady sitting behind me in the stands. It's like we're using Coach Kline's Football for Dummies playbook from Waterboy.
Defensively we look more like Kevin Steel is running things. How many 3rd downs have been given up this year? Especially 3rd and long.
Yes, Dabo has moved Clemson into the golden age of Clemson football. With that comes an expectation that we stay there by making needed tweaks and changes to keep the program on top. Even Saban has made adjustments.
Bringing up a crap era of football under other coaches is a weak argument to use when a program is this successful, especially when you can see where things should be changed.
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Re: What is going on here? SMH
Nov 7, 2022, 10:30 AM
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Great post - thanks.
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Good perspective
Nov 7, 2022, 10:35 AM
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Don’t let the over zealous knuckleheads bother you
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Re: Good perspective
Nov 7, 2022, 10:48 AM
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These post are nauseating as hell. #### the world is not ending and problems will get fixed.
Hide behind an ACC schedule my axs. We have played some good teams over the years with 2 national championships over what some would consider to be the best program in the history of college football.
You can’t and won’t win every game you just will not. We have some issues no doubt and the biggest in my opinion is the lack of playmakers on the offense. I have been trying to figure out who we may have on the O that may have a chance in the league. Not many.
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Re: Good perspective
Nov 7, 2022, 11:17 AM
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These post are nauseating as ####. #### the world is not ending and problems will get fixed.
Hide behind an ACC schedule my axs. We have played some good teams over the years with 2 national championships over what some would consider to be the best program in the history of college football.
You can’t and won’t win every game you just will not. We have some issues no doubt and the biggest in my opinion is the lack of playmakers on the offense. I have been trying to figure out who we may have on the O that may have a chance in the league. Not many.
Name those good teams we've beaten that last two years? Play has been above average but not at a level on par with playoff caliber teams. There has been a drop off and it's pretty clear once the orange tinted glasses are removed.
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We won some titles so its ok that we are on the slide now
Nov 7, 2022, 11:25 AM
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And have no right to even mention it. LOL.....you are straight up bananas dude.
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Re: What is going on here? SMH
Nov 7, 2022, 10:43 AM
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IMO, we are seeing the difference in Dabo's priority of building great men through the game of football and the fans' priority of having great football teams every year. By emphasizing character in the recruiting process, ignoring the portal, developing from within, and honoring our scholarship commitment to players that don't develop into what we hoped they would be instead of pushing them out the door, we will not be a playoff contender every year even though that is the goal. However, if you listen to the young men on this team speak during interviews, you realize that Dabo is head and shoulders above other programs in developing men.
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Re: What is going on here? SMH
Nov 7, 2022, 11:16 AM
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That's fine. He was doing the same and winning championships. We aren't at that championship level right now.
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Re: What is going on here? SMH
Nov 7, 2022, 11:46 AM
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Thank you. I'm so tired of these clowns. Bunch of rednecks who dont have 2 brain cells to rub together.
"fIrE eVeRyOnE!"
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Re: What is going on here? SMH
Nov 7, 2022, 11:53 AM
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I don't think everyone needs to be fired but some should be let go at this point like Coach Grisham for example. I'd give Streeter one more year but we need to get a QB they can trust to throw the ball vertically and we need receivers or at least one of two that can actually become a consistent threat. We haven't had that in a long while now. That's the two main glaring issues right now for the offense and can be fixed in the offseason. Defense is a whole different animal that's just a mixture of many many many small things making us take 3 steps back from previous years.
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Re: What is going on here? SMH
Nov 7, 2022, 12:00 PM
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agree... preach it. We have 1 loss; an ugly loss yes, we have a fanbase that thinks you can just show up and win. Ask Tennessee and Alabama about that. I think people forget ND was pre-season #5... that was based on the talent and potential of the ND team they have been improving steadily over the season and they hit a peak Saturday night. Good for them, bad for us as we came in believing the news clippings and forgot you make your statement on the field not the suit you wear on the plane.
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Serious question:
Nov 7, 2022, 12:54 PM
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Do you consider what happened Saturday just a one game blip. An outlier. Nothing else to it. Nothing else this season (or in reality the last several seasons) has shown you any cause for concern.
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Re: What is going on here? SMH
Nov 7, 2022, 1:00 PM
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agree... preach it. We have 1 loss; an ugly loss yes, we have a fanbase that thinks you can just show up and win. Ask Tennessee and Alabama about that. I think people forget ND was pre-season #5... that was based on the talent and potential of the ND team they have been improving steadily over the season and they hit a peak Saturday night. Good for them, bad for us as we came in believing the news clippings and forgot you make your statement on the field not the suit you wear on the plane.
I don't know anyone who thinks we can just show up and win. That's the whole issue. You can see the ###### in the armor, but we aren't seeing them being fixed. Talent level down, coaching level and experience down, offensive production down, defensive toughness down.
Can Dabo fix it? I have no doubt. Will he? I think that's what the cause for concern is currently. He's devoutly loyal and that can be an awesome thing, but he's paid handsomely to make the program hum, not be loyal to nonproductive coaches. IMHO, we have one major concern at OC and a RB coach who has yet to pull in a recruit.
I don't blame DJ. I think that kid goes out and gives it all he has. I just no longer think he has the ability required for this level.
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Shut up coot***
Nov 7, 2022, 12:59 PM
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Re: What is going on here? SMH
Nov 8, 2022, 9:53 AM
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"What is going on here?" That's what I said Saturday night!*
Nov 8, 2022, 10:27 AM
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