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Orange Blooded [2318]
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Campbell decommiting is simply
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Sep 22, 2024, 10:16 AM
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another example of the NIL ruining College Football. And if anyone thinks he doesn't have his school and his money "set in stone", then you are gullible as a Commie-La supporter.
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Tiger Spirit [9530]
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Re: Campbell decommiting is simply
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Sep 22, 2024, 10:17 AM
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Agreed
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Standout [204]
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Re: Campbell decommiting is simply
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Sep 22, 2024, 10:18 AM
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That’s the business
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Clemson Icon [24330]
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His decommitment has $EC written all over it.
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Sep 22, 2024, 10:19 AM
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The NCAA should make commitments binding.
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Dynasty Maker [3331]
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Re: His decommitment has $EC written all over it.
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Sep 22, 2024, 10:29 AM
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It is called a contract and will be the only way to fix CFB.
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All-American [563]
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Re: His decommitment has $EC written all over it.
Sep 23, 2024, 9:41 AM
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It is called a contract and will be the only way to fix CFB.
I couldn't agree more! If the schools are paying these kids, then they need to be signed to a contract. Even the NFL wouldn't allow the shenanigans that is occurring in college sports.
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Rival Killer [2904]
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CU Medallion [18222]
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Re: They can't. That's control freakish.******
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Sep 22, 2024, 12:08 PM
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Right on cue...
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Rival Killer [2904]
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You're obsession with me is sicko stuff.
Sep 22, 2024, 1:39 PM
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Get a life
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Orange Blooded [2179]
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Rival Killer [2904]
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The NFL has a Congressional antitrust exemption.
Sep 23, 2024, 10:00 AM
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College doesn't.
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Clemson Sports Icon [57993]
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Re: They can't. That's control freakish.******
Sep 23, 2024, 9:28 AM
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With the kind of money these players a getting, contracts are warranted. It's just smart "business".
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Rival Killer [2904]
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How, exactly, is the NCAA going to get contracts?
Sep 23, 2024, 9:48 AM
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The injunction in the Ohio vs NCAA case prohibits the NCAA or it's member institutions from restricting or interfering with transfers in any way.
A contract would be exactly that kind of restriction.
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Associate AD [1007]
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Re: His decommitment has $EC written all over it.
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Sep 22, 2024, 12:17 PM
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The NCAA should make commitments binding.
Actually, he's going to go to another ACC school who is accepting the changing times and offering him a NIL deal.
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National Champion [7292]
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Re: His decommitment has $EC written all over it.
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Sep 22, 2024, 1:08 PM
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Would it happen to be the one who just gave up 70 to a G5 school? They can do what they want, still won't make them better
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Game Day Hero [4224]
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Re: His decommitment has $EC written all over it.
Sep 22, 2024, 1:46 PM
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You think UNC is going to win NIL battles in football? Not hardly.
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Associate AD [1071]
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Solid Orange [1399]
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Oh God, where have you been:Not prior to signing****
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Sep 23, 2024, 7:50 AM
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Orange Beast [6533]
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Re: His decommitment has $EC written all over it.
Sep 23, 2024, 7:26 AM
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The truth is, he took a look at the Clemson depth chart on the DL which is loaded with Freshmen and Sophomores and saw that he probably was not going to get PT here so he bolted. Simple as that. You are going to have to be mighty good to come in to Clemson and play early on our DL.
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Campus Hero [14054]
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Offensive Star [302]
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Players commit and then....
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Sep 22, 2024, 11:31 AM
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Momma or daddy get cash offers.... Hope Dabo and athletic staff blow the lid off the tampering business....
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Rival Killer [2904]
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There is no such thing as tampering.
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Sep 22, 2024, 11:38 AM
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The NCAA rule against it is a federal law violation and not enforceable.
It's no different than corporate recruiting talent from mother businesses with better offers.
Get used to it.
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Rival Killer [2630]
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It's an NCAA infraction and should result in sanctions***
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Sep 22, 2024, 12:58 PM
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Rival Killer [2904]
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The NCAA rule against it is a federal law violation.
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Sep 22, 2024, 1:43 PM
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Just like their rules against unlimited, transfers without restriction.
Just like their rules against NIL.
"The NCAA is not above the law".
SCOTUS Justice Kavanaugh
NCAA vs Alston
Ergo, the NCAA rule is bogus.
They already know that they can't enforce it.
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Solid Orange [1399]
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Correct only guidelines and the early bird gets the worm...
Sep 23, 2024, 8:12 AM
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Hesitation, restraint, and the aversion to a proactive strategy when there is no deterrent, possibility of sanctions etcetera...first inclination is to presume some complacency has set in or worse..
laziness or even indifference-
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Scout Team [83]
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Rival Killer [2904]
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Apples, meet oranges.
Sep 23, 2024, 9:52 AM
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The UNC deal was selective enforcement by the NCAA. They claimed that the athletes weren't going to class.
Apparently the NCAA had never heard of online classes, like the ones out 2nd kicker was taking last season.
Academics are a completely separate issue from transfers and decomittments.
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Letterman [198]
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I agree
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Sep 22, 2024, 12:28 PM
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Momma and family needs some stuff. Don’t believe it just read what Terry Saban had to say about developing young men of character for life and mommas just wanting to know about the money
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Mascot [29]
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Re: Players commit and then....
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Dabo or who the #### ever can “blow the lid off this” all they want…….it doesn’t matter. It’s the state of play now and only to get even worse moving forward.
We either adapt or get used to losing recruits…..or transfers…..or whoever moving forward.
The new system sucks but the toothpaste is outta the tube
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Rival Killer [2904]
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So you prefer the old NCAA rules against it?
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Sep 22, 2024, 11:37 AM
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The ones that violated federal law and exploited the athletes?
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CU Medallion [18222]
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Re: So you prefer the old NCAA rules against it?
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Sep 22, 2024, 12:11 PM
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We would prefer for you to quit spouting this nonsense every time a post has the word portal or tampering in it. You've made it VERY obvious your feelings on the subject, and it has gotten old. Really old.
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Rival Killer [2904]
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What has gotten really old is the ignorance if sone Clemson folks.
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Sep 22, 2024, 1:45 PM
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The ones that kept advocating for things that are illegal and blatantly violate other people's' rights.
Clemson folks are supposed to be smarter than that. Some of us apparently are.
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Rival Killer [2904]
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Solid Orange [1399]
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Not mutually exclusive****
Sep 23, 2024, 8:18 AM
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Rival Killer [2904]
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Unfortunately, you're right.
Sep 23, 2024, 9:56 AM
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Some Clemson fans aren't that smart, or educated, or familiar with current events, or whatever.
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Offensive Star [302]
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Re: So you prefer the old NCAA rules against it?
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SCOTUS ruled the NCAA violated the Sherman Act.... And now players can profit from their own name, image, and likeness.... but the ruling did not prohibit the NCAA from establishing rules about offers of compensation relating to matters other than education.... The NCAA, coaches, and member institutions are working on stricter standards that will bring this chaos under control.... The new standards will just have to pass legal muster....
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Top TigerNet [32231]
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Re: So you prefer the old NCAA rules against it?
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Sep 22, 2024, 2:57 PM
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And so far they haven't passed legal muster and that is what BO ,keeps reminding every one who can't accept following the law. The NCAA does not over ride federal law. If one wants to override federal law, get the Sherman Act over ruled. And let's hope it is NEVER EVER over ruled.
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Rival Killer [2904]
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Exactly. The number of people here that hate the facts is astonishing
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Sep 22, 2024, 3:38 PM
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So is the number of people that are oblivious to it, and that resent having it pointed out.
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Solid Orange [1399]
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Rival Killer [2904]
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It absolutely was exploitation.
Sep 23, 2024, 9:54 AM
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"Nowhere else in America can businesses get away with agreeing not to pay their workers a fair market rate on the theory that their product is defined by not paying their workers a fair market rate
Under ordinary principles of antitrust law, it is not evident why college sports should be any different."
"The NCAA is not above the law."
SCOTUS Justice Brett Kavanaugh
Concurring opinion
NCAA vs Alston
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Legend [7085]
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Re: Simply He Wasn't All In ---
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Sep 22, 2024, 11:39 AM
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Even if we put cash in his face.... another school might double the amount and beat us out.
I remember not too long ago kids didn't go to certain colleges just because those colleges didn't have what they wanted to major in.
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Rival Killer [2904]
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Some did, some didn't.
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Sep 22, 2024, 1:47 PM
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With the proliferation of Sports Marketing and similar degrees in the 1980's, it's been much less of a factor for athletes.
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Solid Orange [1399]
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Cmon you know a BS in Basket Weaving is the gold standard for...
Sep 23, 2024, 8:31 AM
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for Power 4 college football players...deep thinking intellectuals they are
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Solid Orange [1302]
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Re: Campbell decommiting is simply
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Sep 22, 2024, 1:50 PM
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What was it said something about finding a school more in line with his values? If you want to leave just leave.
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Paw Master [17209]
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Re: Campbell decommiting is simply
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Sep 22, 2024, 3:28 PM
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Agree NIL is not only ruining college sports but it is having a negative effect on the futures of college athletes. Some care more about NIL $$$$$$ than their education and their ability to grow into men of Character and integrity.
I am grateful that Dabo has not sold out like so many coaches, recruits and college athletes. It sad that even many moms and dads are so focused on their kids NIL opportunities and their earning potential. I feel NIL has had a negative effect on Clemson’s recruiting and the importance of our Culture.
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Rival Killer [2904]
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Just like you getting paid to work us ruining your future...
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Sep 22, 2024, 3:40 PM
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and the future of your employer?
(Sarcasm)
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All-In [10286]
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Re: Campbell decommiting is simply
Sep 22, 2024, 6:34 PM
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The fantasy idealism part of me would like for the NIL and the ability of all college students … whether on scholarship or not … to have an outside job or an outside source of legal income to not interfere with college football as I had known it.
The rational realism aspect of me recognizes that there is only one way for colleges to force a return to amateur-only sports in college:
Acceptance conditions for the college that preclude all students from having any outside jobs, outside sources of income, and monetary stipends for students from any source (including parents or relatives or clubs or churches, etc). Co-operative student job programs, in which students take a semester off to work for a non-university entity as a means of getting work experience, could only be done if the co-op student did not get paid or receive benefits-in-kind (such as a motorcycle, car, gasoline card, etc) compensation. Any and all money that the student gets is from the college, and that monetary disbursement is equal for all students.
The rationale for the college which adopts this strict ‘no outside money’ policy would be that outside jobs or monetary gifts are distractions from the academic purpose of the college, and therefore are prohibited.
Of course, no college that aspires to compete in college athletics will agree to this type of setup.
Also, there is nothing that forces any college to pay either arrange for NIL money or to provide flat-out monetary gifts to the student athlete. Yet, because college athletics has become enormously important to so many colleges, there will be very few colleges that adopt a ‘we won’t do it’ approach, although even these schools won’t be able to stop a car dealership from ‘hiring’ an athlete who attends that school from being given a ‘job’ to have his photograph posted by the coffee machine.
It’s never going back to the way it used to be. Our sentiments on this don’t matter. Our legal system was challenged to address the plantation-esque traditional student athlete model, and correctly ruled that it was unfair to the student athletes. Selfishly, I liked it the old way. Being fair, the new way is better.
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Rival Killer [2904]
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Re: Campbell decommiting is simply
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Sep 22, 2024, 3:31 PM
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CFB is flat out RUINED
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Rival Killer [2904]
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Nope. Viewership is up across the board.
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Revenues are st an all time high.
NIL funding is setting records.
Those are successes by any rational measure.
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Re: Campbell decommiting is simply
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Ruined? Not true. At least not yet, and not for several more years.
Altered irrevocably? Absolutely true. The ‘alteration’ of the financial / media / college sports model has just begun.
IMO, the business model for college athletics will be hurt significantly by the NIL + soon-to-be direct salaries paid to college athletes. At this instance in time, the Disney (ESPN) and Fox/FS-1 contracts are big and getting bigger. These contracts are predicated upon a growing and increasingly passionate population of viewers.
That predicate will be upended as fans of those schools that can no longer compete lose interest in college football and men’s basketball.
As the TV / streaming audiences deteriorate, then so will the value of the contracts paid to the NCAA or whatever rump of that organization becomes. Then, the downward spiral has begun. Where it stops, nobody knows.
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Rival Killer [2904]
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I'm not sure about your third point.
Sep 23, 2024, 9:59 AM
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Agree completely with your first two.
In the issue of direct salaries, private NIL will still exist outside of that.
It parallels Patrick Mahomes' NFL salary being a different lot of money from his State Farm NIL deal.
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Varsity [110]
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Re: Campbell decommiting is simply
Sep 22, 2024, 9:41 PM
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Someone offered more $$$.. A new kind of legal greed. Sad but true .
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110%er [3973]
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Why is any of this surprising? This is the new NFL light
Sep 22, 2024, 9:51 PM
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Don’t hate the player. Hate the ….
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Clemson Sports Icon [58475]
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Re: Campbell decommiting is simply
Sep 23, 2024, 7:32 AM
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I keep hearing that they will fix it by having athletes become school employees with contracts. Then what happens? Holdouts for raises like the NFL?
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Associate AD [1004]
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I liked college football better when it was run like communist. Everyone on the team received "free" room, board, and tuition. No player was permitted to receive anything extra. It didn't matter if you were Deshaun Watson or the holder for the field goal.
I am being serious. It was better when it was that way.
No players are going to the highest bidder. Capitalism will ruin the game.
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Solid Orange [1399]
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Every power 5 football player was/is treated like Kings on and off campus...
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in comparison to a typical student. Don't forget about the 5k stipend but beyond that the surrounding town of p 4/5 schools unofficially give nearly everyone on the 85 man VIP treatment that's just the way it is. They didn't/don't pay at restaurants, bars, clothes, shoes..everything is comped even the bench warmers are afforded this VIP treatment even those on a 3 win squad for an SEC cellar dwellar.
Witnessed this reality numerous times in both Pickens and Richland counties and have no problem with it but the narrative about the poor, exploited college football player is and always has been a lie.
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