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Game Changer [2067]
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House settlement troubles
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Jan 16, 2025, 9:34 PM
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Well evidently the federal government issued a memo today that says a school has to split the revenue sharing equally between male and female sports. So if that holds, Clemson and others are in trouble as tbey will not have the money they thought for football.
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Dynasty Maker [3181]
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Got a link?
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Jan 16, 2025, 9:36 PM
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This is plausible but confirmation would be nice.
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Orange Immortal [66971]
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the "Department of Education" can't get eliminated soon enough.***
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Oculus Spirit [41255]
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Re: the "Department of Education" can't get eliminated soon enough.***
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Jan 17, 2025, 6:15 AM
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No kidding! Another failed entity of the government.
Just keep tabs on the border and our military (defense) and leave education and health care to folks that actually know something about it.
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Athletic Dir [1123]
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Dynasty Maker [3181]
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The federal DoE
Jan 17, 2025, 10:42 AM
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Is not involved in actual education. They don't teach school. They waste around s billion $$ a year on useless bureaucracy.
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Orange Immortal [66971]
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yep. That's what everyone had to do before the Feds took over. What on
Jan 17, 2025, 11:23 AM
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Earth did people do before, ... checks notes ..., 1980???
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Dynasty Maker [3181]
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I found a link.
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Jan 16, 2025, 9:43 PM
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1. The Biden admin directed this. Trump can overturn it at 12:01 EST on Monday.
2. The wording is that the House settlement revenue must be distributed "proportionately".
What that means is debatable.
If a 50/50 split, the plaintiffs can reject the settlement and litigate to or even more money.
If it's proportionate to the revenue each sport generates, football will get tfe lion's share and it won't affect our FB team much.
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Dynasty Maker [3181]
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I found a link.
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Jan 16, 2025, 9:43 PM
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1. The Biden admin directed this. Trump can overturn it at 12:01 EST on Monday.
2. The wording is that the House settlement revenue must be distributed "proportionately".
What that means is debatable.
If a 50/50 split, the plaintiffs can reject the settlement and litigate to or even more money.
If it's proportionate to the revenue each sport generates, football will get tfe lion's share and it won't affect our FB team much.
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Dynasty Maker [3181]
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I found a link.
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Jan 16, 2025, 9:43 PM
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1. The Biden admin directed this. Trump can overturn it at 12:01 EST on Monday.
2. The wording is that the House settlement revenue must be distributed "proportionately".
What that means is debatable.
If a 50/50 split, the plaintiffs can reject the settlement and litigate to or even more money.
If it's proportionate to the revenue each sport generates, football will get tfe lion's share and it won't affect our FB team much.
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Dynasty Maker [3181]
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Game Changer [2067]
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Re: I found a link.
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Jan 16, 2025, 9:48 PM
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That's not how I interpret it. I see it as the 20.5 million must be divided equally so that all athletes male and female have the same opportunity at payment. Or in this case financial assistance for a student athlete. If this stands, yes football would get more because tbey would have 105 players versus other sports. But if this stands I could see where every player ( starter or 3rd stringer) could challenge how much they get. Each player could legally demand the same amount. So with 105 players dived say 15 million would not help Clemson attract big time players as planned??
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Valley Legend [12437]
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No
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Jan 16, 2025, 10:25 PM
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Title IX states financial assistance must match the gender ratio of the general student population at a given university. The memo today stated that it's their position that the house settlement revenue share is financial assistance and must follow the same guidelines. So if 60% of your students are female then 60% or $12.3M should be distributed to female athletes. Scholarships too; adding 20 football Scholarships means you'll have to eliminate 20 Scholarships in other male sports or add more female Scholarships to maintain the ratio.
At Clemson female students hold a slight majority; so, if this guidance holds, more than half of the rev share would have to go to female athletes.
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Legend [6717]
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Re: No
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Jan 16, 2025, 11:30 PM
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Looks like we will be going back to an all male college then
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Orange Immortal [66971]
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Or just reorganize as two single-sex schools on a shared campus.
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Jan 17, 2025, 12:03 AM
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Clemson's Men's University would only have male athletes and Clemson's Women's University would only have female athletes. They can take classes together, of course.
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Clemson Icon [26995]
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What about the "Its"...?***
Jan 18, 2025, 11:00 AM
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Dynasty Maker [3181]
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NIL isn't nancial assistance and it's not paid by the schools
Jan 17, 2025, 10:44 AM
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Legally, it's pay for endorsements f
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Valley Legend [12437]
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Were not talking about NIL were talking about rev share which will be paid by
Jan 17, 2025, 10:54 AM
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The university out if its own coffers.
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Rival Killer [2842]
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Re: No
Jan 17, 2025, 3:59 PM
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Not going to happen.
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Orange Blooded [2215]
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Re: No
Jan 18, 2025, 12:39 AM
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Perhaps we can get them to identify as females…… just until this is sorted out.
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Dynasty Maker [3181]
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I found a link.
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Jan 16, 2025, 9:43 PM
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1. The Biden admin directed this. Trump can overturn it at 12:01 EST on Monday.
2. The wording is that the House settlement revenue must be distributed "proportionately".
What that means is debatable.
If a 50/50 split, the plaintiffs can reject the settlement and litigate to or even more money.
If it's proportionate to the revenue each sport generates, football will get tfe lion's share and it won't affect our FB team much.
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Oculus Spirit [41063]
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It also says theres nothing illegal about nil collectives***
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Jan 16, 2025, 9:49 PM
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Game Changer [2067]
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Re: It also says theres nothing illegal about nil collectives***
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Jan 16, 2025, 9:52 PM
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Yep. If this stands Clemson will be paying out more money, but not closing tbe gap as planned. But in reality the thought that 1 player gets 3 million and another gets 150k, never made sense. But I get some are more valuable or impactful than others. This NIL is gonna cost college athletics thier existence.
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Legend [6846]
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Re: House settlement troubles
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Jan 16, 2025, 10:14 PM
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True equity would be allowing the athletes who actually earned the revenue to receive it in return. However left wing politicians never fail to screw up everything they touch, hence the Biden administration's decision. Luckily for the rest of us the idiots will no longer be in charge in a few days so this most likely won't stand.
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Top TigerNet [28075]
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most people on here always complain about players making money***
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Jan 16, 2025, 10:53 PM
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Playmaker [391]
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Re: most people on here always complain about players making money***
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Jan 17, 2025, 6:44 AM
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Yeah, it's a weird take considering the vast majority of this board is conservative. When it comes to athletes getting paid on any level all of the sudden "capitalism is bad". Then they argue about all players should get equal.... sounds a little commie to me...
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Rival Killer [2663]
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I believe it's more about professionalizing college/amateur athletics***
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Jan 17, 2025, 8:49 AM
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CU Guru [1509]
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Re: most people on here always complain about players making money***
Jan 18, 2025, 9:17 AM
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People who throw around this "It's capitalism" argument don't understand capitalism, or economics, for that matter.
The underlying issue is that the schools are trying to run an extracurricular activity for students as a business. You can't be a little bit pregnant. You either have to be one or the other.
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Orange Blooded [2480]
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Ramjet or Mountain Valley!
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Jan 16, 2025, 10:25 PM
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Sorry, I thought your foundation was sinking.😎
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Orange Phenom [14867]
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Re: Ramjet or Mountain Valley!
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Jan 16, 2025, 10:30 PM
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Lol, so did I initially.
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Orange Immortal [60243]
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Re: House settlement troubles
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Jan 16, 2025, 10:28 PM
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It would have the same effect with the other schools...
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Legend [6929]
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Simple just have all the men's players say they are transitioning to females
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Jan 16, 2025, 11:50 PM
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Since no one is allowed to question anything these days, everything should be fine. We could claim to have first all female football team. ####, name Brownell head women's bball coach. Worked out ok for Leah Thomas.
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Re: House settlement troubles
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Jan 17, 2025, 3:21 AM
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College Football was alot more enjoyable when a student went to a college and attended class with the hope of attaining a degree and if they got lucky , they were good enough to make whatever their career and go pro.
Now, the coaches (who are actual professionals) are being exploited as the athletes who are supposed to be amateur athletes, are making more money than those who decided to make coaching college football their actual profession.
Hopefully, in the future, the slavery that currently exist with exploiting coaches for the athletes benefit will soon be righted.
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Dynasty Maker [3181]
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That's ludicrous. Dabo makes far more money
Jan 17, 2025, 10:47 AM
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Than dies and Clemson athlete.
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National Champion [7329]
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Re: House settlement troubles
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wow, So the coaches who have been getting paid millions for YEARS are the slaves.....not the players who haven't been getting paid. You know, the people who put the butts in the seats.
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Oculus Spirit [41255]
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Re: House settlement troubles
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Jan 17, 2025, 6:08 AM
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Yea read that. Government being involved makes this so much worse. They slow everything down and rarely get anything right. Can not think of one thing the government has their hands on that turns out good.
They would bankrupt a strip club in Vegas if they owned one.
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Game Changer [1639]
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Re: House settlement troubles
Jan 17, 2025, 6:12 AM
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Better call Trump on Tuesday.
Biden couldn’t be much worse……
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Game Changer [1639]
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Re: House settlement troubles
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Better call Trump on Tuesday.
Biden couldn’t be much worse……
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Oculus Spirit [41255]
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Re: House settlement troubles
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Jan 17, 2025, 6:12 AM
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Bottom line it’s not all going to the football team unless we have a sudden influx of women join the team in the very near future. I have said this time and time again. I don’t believe things will turn out like we all have it conjured up in our minds.
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Jan 17, 2025, 7:32 AM
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I seems the original reading was that the revenue sharing money could be distributed based on the sports contribution to the schools revenue. This did not take Title IX into account as that specifically addressed Scholarships. With the new "guidance" stating Title IX applies to all shared revenue there will probably have to be Congressional action or legal action to clarify this. The schools can ignore the "guidance " or take their chances.
Like an attorney said about an Attorney General Opinion on a particular law, "Everybody has an opinion, the Attorney General just publishes his!"
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Congress being congress, revenue generating support support non-rev :-(***
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Tiger Spirit [9319]
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Who didnt see that coming***
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Legend [6929]
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Gov't cant have it both ways; athletes are either students or employees
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Jan 17, 2025, 8:26 AM
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If they are students then the pay can be regulated by title IX as financial assistance for a perspective student. If they are employees like the supreme court decision basically proclaimed then title IX doesnt apply anymore. The pay is then not financial assistance anymore, it is compensation and should be determined on a per contract basis like any other employment opportunity at the university.
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Dynasty Maker [3181]
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If I read the links right, the Oregon lawsuit is about NIL
Jan 17, 2025, 10:51 AM
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not revenue sharing, which hasn't started yet.
The DofE memo can be reversed by the Trump administration. If not, more litigation will ensue.
Why are people still trying to conflate revenue sharing and NIL?
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Re: House settlement troubles
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If this holds schools will simply cut sports that don’t generate revenue. Unsurprisingly, the government fails to think things through and understand potential consequences
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MVP [547]
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Re: House settlement troubles
Jan 17, 2025, 11:01 AM
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What a shocker that is
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Re: House settlement troubles
Jan 17, 2025, 11:01 AM
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Unfortunately this will never have the affect that these politicians think it will. You think football school brings in tens, if not hundrends of millions of dollars for School X and they're just going to pay the female athlete a "fair" amount? No, they will just end up eliminating half the women's sports so there's more money for football and men's basketball players to make. Goodbye swimming and diving, goodbye gymnastics, goodbye tennis, etc.
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Dynasty Maker [3181]
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Eliminating women's sports would make it worse, not better.
Jan 17, 2025, 3:55 PM
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That would create even more Title IX compliance fails.
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Game Changer [2067]
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Re: House settlement troubles
Jan 17, 2025, 5:56 PM
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My thoughts exactly. Schools will cut almost all Olympic sports. Tbey must offer the same amount to males and females. So Clemson would keep Football, Both basketball teams, baseball, softball, and women's lacrosse. They rest might get scrapped? You could then use the numbers alone to give Football a bigger picture. Based on the number of scholarship athletes? This NIL is ending college sports. The only other way around it it is to make them merit based employees and cut scholarships. The cost of education would be figured into said athletes agreed upon yearly salary. Some kids pay will be just enough to cover tuition, books,housing, and food. They would of course have access to free on campus medical based on employment. Just change the words don't call it scholarships but call it compensation. All would be year to year. It's legal politics. So play the game.
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Re: House settlement troubles
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Unfortunately this will never have the affect that these politicians think it will. You think football school brings in tens, if not hundrends of millions of dollars for School X and they're just going to pay the female athlete a "fair" amount? No, they will just end up eliminating half the women's sports so there's more money for football and men's basketball players to make. Goodbye swimming and diving, goodbye gymnastics, goodbye tennis, etc.
FYI. EFFECT.... effect is a noun. Affect a verb.
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Re: House settlement troubles
Jan 20, 2025, 10:31 AM
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Always struggle with that lol
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Re: House settlement troubles
Jan 17, 2025, 3:34 PM
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I do not think it will stick, and this would give private institutions like Miami and Notre Dame an insane advantage when it comes to distributing revenue to student-athletes, obviously not throught through.
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Dynasty Maker [3181]
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It wouldn't exempt private universities
Jan 17, 2025, 3:57 PM
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They get federal funding for research, done students get federal money as scholarship grants, they benefit from federal education voice grants.
If you get federal funding of any kind, you have to comply with Tithe IX.
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Re: House settlement troubles
Jan 17, 2025, 6:07 PM
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That makes no sense. Typically, women's sports don't put as many fans in the stands and they don't complete in some of the same sports. There is no women's sport equivalent to football.
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'We're going to let men play in women's sports but we're going to give you...
Jan 20, 2025, 11:45 AM
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equal pay to make up for it. No, wait, NIL funds are contracts with individuals so those players with a dangle will still get most of the money.
Don't get me wrong, Imo folks should be paid what they earn so I've no conflict with giving the guys playing women's sport getting fatter paychecks. They are far better equipted to succeed in many of the girl's teams.
I'm just pointing out that the last biggest thing was paying women equal to me, which imo is not fair nor practical. That's not how politicians think. They are facing a moral delemmia which, even though I believe to be foolish, contradicts their previous motivations to dabble in with the market and do more dammage than good. Like always:
Put a group of politicians in a room with an anvil and they will tear it up or lose it.
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