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Weed must be more addictive than believed.
Mar 18, 2016, 7:33 AM
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There are way too many stories coming out lately about Clemson, and ex-Clemson athletes being on the weed. Even in the face of lost wages and potentially a lost career, Martavis Bryant continued to do the weed. Players on our current team are getting suspended over it. The threat of suspension or dismissal from the team has always been known, yet they continue to do it. Must be some more highly addictive stuff out there these days, because the stuff we did back in the day certainly wouldn't have been worth risking anything over.
I don't care what the public at large is doing and getting away with, this is not the way I want to see my University represented in the news. Since the suspensions are not working as a deterrent, may be time to start dismissing from the team to prove to the guys that this is flat out not acceptable at Clemson. I don't want to hear any liberal whining about it SHOULD be legalized, the fact is that it currently IS ILLEGAL, and if you are caught doing it, you should expect very bad consequences from a legal, as well as football related standpoint to be the result. Take away the consequences, and the problem will continue to grow.
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Re: Weed must be more addictive than believed.
Mar 18, 2016, 7:45 AM
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Considering it's a natural substance, nothing has changed and no it's still not chemically addictive.
It's not like meth where a Heisenberg came along and totally changed the potency of the drug.
These players continue to screw up because they have a self discipline problem, not because they are chemically addicted to marijuana.
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does potency increase addiction?
Mar 18, 2016, 8:05 AM
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For example, Craft beers with a higher ABV, do they cause more alcoholics than Coors Light?
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Drinking coots light indicates you've already reached rock bottom***
Mar 18, 2016, 8:08 AM
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sex on a canoe
Mar 18, 2016, 8:09 AM
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effing close to water.
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Addiction is more than an illicit chemical dependency.
Mar 18, 2016, 9:02 AM
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Its why people have issues with gambling, sex, internet, and food.
As far as mj, most casual users won't have an issue. Daily users and more frequent users definitely have higher potential to develop a mental dependence on it. How else do you explain such irrational behavior as seen with Bryant?
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Ooh, sounds like there has been a public propaganda machine a spinin'
Mar 18, 2016, 11:59 AM
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somewhere, eh? lol
Not sure who holds the date 5-30 special annually but I will be seeing Gov Mule at the GA Theater on April 20th, not in Chattanooga that night.
And I've seen they'll no Phishing in the SE this Spring or Summer. 
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Re: Ooh, sounds like there has been a public propaganda machine a spinin'
Mar 18, 2016, 12:00 PM
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*will be no SE Phishing...
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how many of these athletes do you think
Mar 18, 2016, 8:43 AM
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Are prescribed ADHD or benzo medication?
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I would guess more ADHD than benzodiazapines. Meds
Mar 18, 2016, 8:48 AM
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for ADHD are WAYYYYY over prescribed.
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dont forget underage drinking
Mar 18, 2016, 8:03 AM
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We should have breathalyzers setup outside of the athletes dorms and if they are underage and want to enter, they gotta blow.
It's illegal to drink under the age of 21 and we don't want a culture of college kids drinking on the weekends during the off season, summer or especially during the season.
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But that's still okay, alcohol is legal
Mar 18, 2016, 8:37 AM
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Alcohol is fun and safe!??
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That is a whole other paradigm shift. Drinking age was 18
Mar 18, 2016, 10:48 AM
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when I was at Clemson, I think the fact that the drinking age was legally raised may actually be contributing to consumption of pot, too. Just one illegal substance vs another that the kids choose from now when looking at the two. I personally don't think the legal drinking age should ever have been raised, but it was, so, as long as it is law, that one should be enforced too.
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Re: Weed must be more addictive than believed.
Mar 18, 2016, 8:35 AM
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There are physical and psychological symptoms associated with withdrawal and therefore yes, it can be considered addictive.
I'm not sure why anyone would think it's not addictive. Someone who smokes occasionally will likely never experience any withdrawal symptoms. But someone who smokes daily probably will. It's no different than cigarettes or alcohol.
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Re: Weed must be more addictive than believed.
Mar 18, 2016, 8:44 AM
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I smoked for pretty much half my life.
From HS until I was 35 years old, quit cold turkey 8 yrs ago.
I never had any withdraws, it took a few months to stop craving it but I felt fine.
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Re: Weed must be more addictive than believed.
Mar 18, 2016, 9:23 AM
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Cravings are a mild form of dependency, either psychological or physical. Like other addictive substances, I'm sure the impact varies.
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Re: you = representative sample. That's called a gratuitous
Mar 18, 2016, 9:33 AM
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Pretty much everybody I know smoked weed back in the day.
Still hang with about the same click and we are all doing just fine
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Re: you = representative sample. That's called a gratuitous
Mar 18, 2016, 12:03 PM
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Wait, read your OP in this thread.
Isn't that exactly what you're doing? You basically dismissed all the research indicating that MJ is, in fact, not addictive....to imply that "YOUR EXPERIENCES" tell you otherwise. I guess the link supporting your opinion was nice, but you literally JUST DID what you were accusing badb of doing.
That's about the sort of consistency I would expect from someone who already had their mind made up.
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Actually, I didn't. I posted peer reviewed research, then
Mar 18, 2016, 12:17 PM
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used anecdotal evidence to support my point. Nice try though.
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Re: Actually, I didn't. I posted peer reviewed research, then
Mar 18, 2016, 1:01 PM
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I'm not "trying" anything except pointing out that posting 1 article doesn't relieve your OP of "gratuitous assertion" status. The context is all there.
It'll be legal in 5-10 years. Best get over it soon.
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hahaha! Great point! I'm not really anti or pro, just
Mar 18, 2016, 1:09 PM
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trying to get info out there. Did look a little peesed off old mannish, now didn't it?
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Re: @TotalTee - don't confuse them with logic and reason....***
Mar 18, 2016, 12:05 PM
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Logic and reason usually side with the folks clinging on to 1950s gov't propoganda, I guess.
You've outsmarted us all.
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Re: @TotalTee - don't confuse them with logic and reason....***
Mar 18, 2016, 12:20 PM
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Guess you didn't look at the research. Sorry to upset your 1970's views that don't want to consider new data.
Bet it sucked when you found out the world wasn't flat.
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Thanks for the reference. I'll check it out.***
Mar 18, 2016, 12:38 PM
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Re: @TotalTee - don't confuse them with logic and reason....***
Mar 18, 2016, 12:29 PM
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I'm not sure I understand what's wrong with pointing to evidence that THC is a mind-altering substance that can be abused and can also be addictive? So is caffeine. Why do some folks get up-in-arms over the statement? I think it should be legal and regulated and I don't care if folks want to inhale. Just curious why "it's addictive" upsets some folks.
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i think it's the connotation
Mar 18, 2016, 12:37 PM
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of "it's addictive"
makes it sound like heroin and not caffeine.
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I say we start an all out war on drugs!
Mar 18, 2016, 8:49 AM
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That'll stop it!
Oh wait...
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Re: Weed must be more addictive than believed.
Mar 18, 2016, 9:15 AM
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And I don't want to hear any conservative whining and judgemental generalizations about Clemson sports and society in general. Quit attaching labels about people and their views. Stick to the subject at hand. It is illegal and let the legal system apply and not the personal opinions.
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It's not physically addicting like alcohol. It's
Mar 18, 2016, 9:39 AM
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psychologically addicting like chocolate or sweet tater pie. If it's in the house, you want a little everyday but if it's not it the house, you don't really worry about it.
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Re: It's not physically addicting like alcohol. It's
Mar 18, 2016, 9:45 AM
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There are cases of both physical and psychological symptoms of withdrawal. It's no different than caffeine. If you drink 2 cups of coffee a day for 20 years and then you quit cold turkey, you may experience some discomfort, physically and/or psychologically.
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Re: It's not physically addicting like alcohol. It's
Mar 18, 2016, 9:46 AM
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That and just getting use to doing stuff like fishing or before going to a movie with out smoking.
It's not addictive like you cant function without it.
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for example
Mar 18, 2016, 12:07 PM
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i'm in my office right now and not thinking about it and currently not high. however, if the vp of marketing comes in with a blunt, we may have a fun friday!
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did you even experience your college years or your 20's...
Mar 18, 2016, 9:53 AM
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And talking about blowing it out of proportion. Bryant never got caught with weed or tested positive while here, so what he has done since then has zero to do with Clemson. So all you have is two players getting busted for small amounts of weed during a 4 year period.
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So you have to do illegal drugs in order to
Mar 18, 2016, 10:03 AM
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"experience your college years or your 20's?"
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yes
Mar 18, 2016, 10:05 AM
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you register in the fall
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Its Not
Mar 18, 2016, 9:57 AM
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and you can trust me on that one.
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Re: Weed must be more addictive than believed.
Mar 18, 2016, 10:33 AM
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great post.. absolutely agree!it is a horrible illegal drug and the punishment needs to be increased!
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Re: Weed must be more addictive than believed.
Mar 18, 2016, 10:49 AM
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Weed today is sometimes mixed with the synthetic blends as well as straight synthetic weed sold which has destroyed and continues to destroy lives daily. It's just now starting to see long term effects that weren't known in the relatively short time it's been out there. You might as well be smoking rat poison. And it is addicting.
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you talking dabs?
Mar 18, 2016, 11:04 AM
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extracting THC with butane?
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Re: you talking dabs?
Mar 18, 2016, 11:20 AM
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No idea what u are talking about. Just saying what I have seen.
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nope
Mar 18, 2016, 11:23 AM
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see willie nelson for proof
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the synthetic only exists to skirt the law
Mar 18, 2016, 11:29 AM
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with a decriminalization or legalization, it has no place in the market.
yes there will always be a black market.
however, with some sort of regulation you can eliminate a lot of this.
dabs, that move made famous by players and coaches (including ours) everywhere is a direct result of weed culture.
butane honey oil (ingested through dabbing) is made through an extraction process that removes thc from the plant matter using butane.
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Re: the synthetic only exists to skirt the law
Mar 18, 2016, 12:01 PM
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All I'm saying is synthetic hurts many people. Of course not everyone is susceptible. Different things affect people different ways. But if you are willing to make that gamble go ahead. It's your life.
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i don't touch it at all
Mar 18, 2016, 12:12 PM
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no natural, no synthetic, no edibles, no nothing.
i just think the realistic discussion needs to be had about it.
see how this can be changed:
> All I'm saying is alcohol hurts many people. Of
> course not everyone is susceptible (to alcoholism). Different things
> affect people different ways. But if you are willing
> to make that gamble go ahead. It's your life.
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Re: you talking dabs?
Mar 18, 2016, 12:08 PM
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Nah, I think he is referring to laced stuff, the dirt stuff; maybe "boat" (embalming fluid), PCP, any crazy thing a person can add for profit edge.
But the butane made stuff is crap, too. Homemade, and posses a health issue.
Professionally made wax, crumble, shatter, whatever the name is different, though.
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only 3 drugs will kill you on withdrawals alone
Mar 18, 2016, 11:10 AM
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alchohol
benzos
opiates
all 3 legal. 2 doctor prescribed.
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Re: Weed must be more addictive than believed.
Mar 18, 2016, 2:02 PM
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Speeding is illegal and athletes still get speeding tickets. Maybe speeding is addictive and athletes love speeding more than their sport. Take the weed away and the kids start using harder drugs. It's a fact that Nancy Reagan never wanted you to know about. Knew tons of people who were getting drug tested in college and for jobs and they ended up using hard drugs that I would not touch simply because they leave the system in a couple days instead of 2-4 weeks. They are going to stop testing for it in the NFL, it is just a matter of time. Jake Plummer estimates 50 percent of players use it Medicate even though it is illegal in the NFL.
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Golly gee ol' timer. You shouldn't be accessing the interweb***
Mar 18, 2016, 2:07 PM
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Re: Golly gee ol' timer. You shouldn't be accessing the interweb***
Mar 18, 2016, 2:32 PM
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Clayton House 1967 was a great time....just like now.
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Re: Some of us oldtimers invented the interweb.
Mar 18, 2016, 4:16 PM
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The old timers like Steve Jobs didn't mess with weed, they went straight to the Acid. Imagine how smart he would have been.
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now you brought up the real mind expander
Mar 18, 2016, 4:22 PM
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people arent going to like this at all.
govt mind control.
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Re: now you brought up the real mind expander
Mar 18, 2016, 4:34 PM
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I thought we had Al Gore as a Tigernet member, didn't he invent the Internet? That dude smokes too much weed along with some other things. Maybe he was overdosed on ###### when he decided to grope and assault his wife on national television.
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Nah, he was just trying to Tip'er.
Mar 19, 2016, 7:22 PM
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