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Game Changer [2039]
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For those of you that feel like Dabo is wrong and
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We should be focused only on NIL and the portal I give you Jaden Rashada…
He took 150k from hurricane booster. Signed a 13 mm deal with a UF booster, borrows from UF booster to pay off Miami booster. then the UF booster cancels.. then he portals into UGA.. and now he is suing UF coach and booster.
Nope. Not Clemson. Not today, not ever.
Let’s go Dabo prove em wrong again!!
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Re: For those of you that feel like Dabo is wrong and
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May 21, 2024, 11:12 AM
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Say what you want about Rashada. To me, he is merely a symptom--not a cause--of what is wrong with CFB nowadays.
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Game Changer [2039]
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I am definitely not blaming
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The 18 year old kid being offered life changing wealth, I am blaming the corupt jock sniffer boosters at both schools that are interjecting themselves WITH THEIR TEAMS Blessing into the conversation.
The Clemson message… Come here. Do the common things in an uncommon way (go to class, work hard, be coachable, be patient) and you will be rewarded with A degrees AND NIL deals, but it is earned not given..
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Re: I am definitely not blaming
May 21, 2024, 7:54 PM
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And I’m assuming you can understand why they would want immediate gratification which they will get other places.
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Re: I am definitely not blaming
May 22, 2024, 3:37 PM
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In an ideal world. Watch the 5 stars go grab the "given" instead of coming here to "earn".
You take a poor kid who has grown up with nothing. His family is suffering UGA offers him $500k a year and we offer him "the ability to earn a NIL deal", and you just watch where he goes.
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Re: For those of you that feel like Dabo is wrong and
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May 21, 2024, 12:22 PM
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If my kid was being offered $13.5M to play college football, I'd tell him to take the money.
The problem wasn't a player wanting his market value in this environment, the problem is the shady boosters screwing him by promising money they didn't have and couldn't get.
Can't expect an 18 year old to understand he needs a written contract and cash in hand, but he did have an agent and I question the agent's competence.
I'd expect this case will be settled because it's really bad publicity for the football team and their recruiting.
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Re: For those of you that feel like Dabo is wrong and
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May 21, 2024, 4:51 PM
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You nailed it "can't expect an 18 year old kid to understand contracts"...
If these kids want to be paid like professional athletes, then they are responsible for their actions as professionals. They don't get a pass.
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Re: For those of you that feel like Dabo is wrong and
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May 21, 2024, 9:33 PM
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100 year colleges can't understand contracts and be trusted and you are itching about an 18 year old kid who barely knows enough to buy a bag of pot!
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Re: For those of you that feel like Dabo is wrong and
May 22, 2024, 6:06 PM
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Bad as I hate UGA, if they offered my kid $10million and Dabo offered him "the ability to earn a Nil deal", I would tell him to get his rear end to Athens.
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Rival Killer [2851]
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That's a false dilemma
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May 21, 2024, 11:13 AM
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No I e is calling for Dabo to focus exclusively on those things.
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Game Changer [2039]
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Apparently it is a dilemma at UF Miami and maybe UGA
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May 21, 2024, 11:17 AM
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Just saying.. our coach does it right.
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Rival Killer [2851]
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9-4 and 19 teams above us that do it differently say...
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May 21, 2024, 4:39 PM
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Not so fast...
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Re: 9-4 and 19 teams above us that do it differently say...
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May 21, 2024, 4:42 PM
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I will gladly take 9-4 till I die if we do it Dabos way!
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Rival Killer [2851]
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That's how...
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May 21, 2024, 5:02 PM
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We get decreasingly good recruit classes, no portal help, and teams that progressively worse.
I don't want to eve look back at 9-4 as success.
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Re: That's how...
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May 21, 2024, 8:08 PM
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We get decreasingly good recruit classes, no portal help, and teams that progressively worse.
I don't want to eve look back at 9-4 as success.
Our 2025 class is ranked 4th. Best in several years.
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Rival Killer [2851]
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The 2025 class isn't in campus yet.
May 21, 2024, 10:06 PM
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We don't know how many or what key players will transfer out before then.
We can't rely just on recruiting if we want to be elite in football again.
I want that.
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Re: That's how...
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May 21, 2024, 9:35 PM
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Then you give the school 20mm$ per year to support these teenage student athletes...haha!
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Re: 9-4 and 19 teams above us that do it differently say...
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May 21, 2024, 5:03 PM
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"I will gladly take 9-4 till I die if we do it Dabos way!"
Well that is quite sad.
Why not just make a post saying you want Tommy Bowden back. Much easier.
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Re: 9-4 and 19 teams above us that do it differently say...
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May 21, 2024, 5:14 PM
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And cheaper…
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Re: 9-4 and 19 teams above us that do it differently say...
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May 22, 2024, 3:11 AM
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If we went 9-4 in those13 seasons would everyone still be happy with Dabo?
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Paw Master [17238]
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Re: 9-4 and 19 teams above us that do it differently say...
May 22, 2024, 4:37 PM
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In your scenario we didn’t go to 6 straight CFPs and win 2 national championships to readjust expectations. 9-4 for 15 seasons would be markedly superior to anything in the the previous 20 years. So the degree of spoiled, entitlement espoused on the board would be greatly minimized. Tommy Bowden held on for a decade with his miserable record on the “it could be worse” mantra.
9-4 consistently is also pretty misleading. It requires a unique combination of bombing in conference while sweeping out of conference. If the quality of the team truly collapses to that of a middle of the pack ACC team, we’re not going to win 9 games. Finishing middle of the pack in the ACC, consistently, will doom Dabo faster than only winning 9 games. They can’t make the ACC championship and only play 13 games.
Brad Brownell has managed 14 seasons of, on average, rank mediocrity. Brad’s absolute best season, as measured by final AP ranking, would rank tenth of Dabo’s fifteen. His second best would equal Dabo’s twelfth best. Every other season, would tie Dabo’s dead last 6-7 season in 2010. And he still managed a post season that year, better than Brad does half the time.
There are two, equally idiotic, factions (when it comes to discussing coaches/coachjng) that dominate this board. One believes, no matter what, they see weakness in the coach and we could always find someone better. Nevermind the abysmal success rate when replacing coaches across the spectrum of athletics. They believe that you should always roll the dice. The other side believes that the downside risk always dominates and we should never, ever fire a coach in all but an Armageddon scenario. Neither side have the critical thinking skills to make serious evaluations.
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Then we need to pay him far less.
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May 21, 2024, 9:59 PM
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We currently pay him to produce an elite program. While we are elite in the classroom, we are not elite on the football field. If we are good with the current results, then we can save about $4-$5 million a year and hire someone else.
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Re: Then we need to pay him far less.
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May 22, 2024, 1:55 PM
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J K livers in total delirium. Fire Dabo and save 4 or 5 mill. And get
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7 and 5 6 and 6, are you on another planet? 12 ten win seasons in a row,
30 wins in the last three years. Only Alabama, and I mean only Alabama, has
been a consistent playoff team. Georgia as of late, OSU, some. We are an
elite QB away from greatness. Wake up and smell the roses, not the hs spewed
here by Dabo haters.
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Paw Master [17238]
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Re: Then we need to pay him far less.
May 22, 2024, 4:38 PM
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Actually we would play virtually any legitimate successor nearly as much or be formally surrounding our place a as a power football team.
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Clemson Conqueror [11597]
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Re: Then we need to pay him far less.
May 22, 2024, 3:30 PM
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Do you apply that same standard to Basketball! LOL!
Of course she doesn't. ...
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Re: 9-4 and 19 teams above us that do it differently say...
May 22, 2024, 5:46 PM
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I’m with you bro. Wins will mean nothing in heaven but how you play the game will mean everything. Trophies will be handed out on how you conducted your program not on bought championships.
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Re: Apparently it is a dilemma at UF Miami and maybe UGA
May 22, 2024, 3:40 PM
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It is the Hill Dabo has chosen to die on. Amateurs don't compete well against pros. The game changed and Dabo didn't. Sad to say I don't see any Natty's in our future until Dabo changes.
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Paw Warrior [5041]
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Re: Apparently it is a dilemma at UF Miami and maybe UGA
May 22, 2024, 5:48 PM
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That is ok. Honor means something. I had rather win 8,9 or more with Dabs model.
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Re: That's a false dilemma
May 23, 2024, 6:37 AM
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What about a society that values a 19 year old pothead who can't spell cat but we will not pay a professor a reasonable salary...I suspect Dabo can't believe the money he is being paid...the ps to a tailgate party makes old men feel young again!
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Re: For those of you that feel like Dabo is wrong and
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ONLY on the portal? Who said that? I think most just want him to take advantage of every tool available.
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Game Changer [2039]
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I said NIL and portal. So not me.
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May 21, 2024, 11:19 AM
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#read
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College football in 2024.***
May 21, 2024, 11:15 AM
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Re: For those of you that feel like Dabo is wrong and
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May 21, 2024, 12:34 PM
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Who said Dabo should only be focused on NIL and the portal?
That’s like saying a coach should only be focused on facilities. No one is saying that.
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Re: For those of you that feel like Dabo is wrong and
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Using all the tools available to you in a thoughtful and compliant way to build a great program with a great culture, that gets good results on the field and in the classroom, is a balanced approach that seems to make a lot of sense. Adapting to change is a skill set worth teaching to young men who ultimately will have to face it in their future careers and life itself.
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No offense
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May 21, 2024, 12:37 PM
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We should be focused only on NIL and the portal I give you Jaden Rashada…
He took 150k from hurricane booster. Signed a 13 mm deal with a UF booster, borrows from UF booster to pay off Miami booster. then the UF booster cancels.. then he portals into UGA.. and now he is suing UF coach and booster.
Nope. Not Clemson. Not today, not ever.
Let’s go Dabo prove em wrong again!!
But sounds like you are turning an ignorant bad seed who is the exception into the rule.
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Clemson Conqueror [11458]
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Are guys like you who starts post like this playing dumb or is your ignorance
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Sincere. No one wants Dabo to focus only on the portal and NIL; we've covered this far too many times for you to pretend you don't know that.
#gettingOld
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ONLY???...don't think anybody said he should ONLY focus on NIL/portal
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May 21, 2024, 1:20 PM
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Dabo's got a LOT he needs to be focused on and NIL & Portal are two of those items, but not the only items.
he needs to focus on ALL the issues that have caused Clemson Football's decline since 2018...............and if he is then he's not doing a good job of FIXING them.
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Re: ONLY???...don't think anybody said he should ONLY focus on NIL/portal
May 21, 2024, 4:09 PM
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See Dabo's video on the portal.....
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Y'all Portal pumpers always forget one tiny...
May 21, 2024, 6:16 PM
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detail. The portal takes two sides, does anyone know how many have been offered vs. how many turned us down?
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Ring of Honor [21133]
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we offered 3***
May 22, 2024, 3:15 PM
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Or at least we offered 3 "a visit"
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Rival Killer [2851]
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Three sides...
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The portal is a one-way street out of Clemson bright now.
That causes bad ripple effects. Those players that Dabo "develops" don't all stay. Then we have to replace them with undeveloped, younger players since we don't use the portal for replacements.
That makes us spend time and effort on developing players for the competition.
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Name one person here who has said that Dabo should ONLY focus on NIL/portal.
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May 21, 2024, 9:57 PM
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I haven’t seen ANYONE here say that.
What many of us want is for Dabo to use all available tools to make our team better. Refusing to use the portal and saying negative things about it, as well as NIL, is stupid.
Quite simply, he isn’t earning his $11 million a year by digging his heels in on this, and it shows in the win-loss column.
He needs to do better. We should still primarily be a developmental program, but supplement that with a strong presence in the portal to address deficiencies and also replace players we lose to transfer/injury/lack of development.
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I still firmly believe the portal can be used on a limited basis
May 22, 2024, 2:49 PM
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without engaging in BS like that. Saban did a great job with it early on cherry picking guys like Jameson Williams and Jahmyr Gibbs. Their team chemistry never suffered. The coaches just have to do their homework evaluating these kids just like they would a HS recruit, and then the culture within the program needs to be strong from the top down (it always has been).
I've seen certain posters try to frame all of these kids in the portal as greedy, selfish, money-hungry, lazy, team-cancer types. There's just no way that is true. Thats simply a lazy take or pure spin to fit their preferred narrative.
Anyway, I'm not suggesting that Dabo is destined to fail by not using the portal. I just find these all-or-nothing straw man arguments I see on here to be completely ridiculous. There are many degrees between Dabos current portal philosophy and somebody like Deion or Mike Norvell at the other end of the spectrum.
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Re: For those of you that feel like Dabo is wrong and
May 22, 2024, 5:42 PM
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College sports is turning into Bull Crap.
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