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Legend [6951]
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Walk-ons that likely get on scholarship
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Apr 22, 2024, 9:54 AM
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Trent Pearman, who could end up starting games for us this year.
Armon Mason, Dabo has mentioned him several times in interviews.
Philip Florenzo, starting snapper.
We are at 83 scholarship players. I doubt we sign anyone from the portal. So we have two spots to give to walk-ons. These three probably make the most sense.
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Re: Walk-ons that likely get on scholarship
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Apr 22, 2024, 10:01 AM
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Thank you, oh confused purveyor of communist thought. Your take is the perfect example of how the overall talent level at Clemson Football drops over time. Thank you.
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National Champion [7860]
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Re: Walk-ons that likely get on scholarship
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Apr 22, 2024, 10:04 AM
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Wierd post. Anyway, it might be a reason why players stay at Clemson. It keeps a loyal team.
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Tiger Titan [46330]
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We lose our share of players to the portal every year.***
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Apr 22, 2024, 10:05 AM
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Re: We lose our share of players to the portal every year.***
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Apr 22, 2024, 10:09 AM
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10 so far.
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Tiger Titan [46330]
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Yet people here act like we don't lose any.
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Apr 22, 2024, 10:34 AM
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LOL.
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Legend [6951]
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Re: Yet people here act like we don't lose any.
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Apr 22, 2024, 10:53 AM
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Losing Mukuba and Beaux were big. Both of them were starters for us.
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Game Changer [1899]
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Re: Yet people here act like we don't lose any.
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Apr 22, 2024, 12:33 PM
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Mukumba was gone from us this year regardless of NIL or Portal.
If he didn't transfer to UT to be closer to home/kid he would have gone pro in effort to start making money for his family.
Beaux was a starter but ideally would have been passed on the depth chart by the end of the season. He was a model for inconsistency.
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Re: Yet people here act like we don't lose any.
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Apr 22, 2024, 12:57 PM
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Passed by who?
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Game Changer [1899]
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Re: Yet people here act like we don't lose any.
Apr 22, 2024, 4:09 PM
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passed by anyone who can stay healthy and perform consistently.
If Tyler Brown, Antonio Williams, Adam Randall, and Noble Johnson make solid work of the off season and TJ Moore/Bryant Wesco are contributors we wont miss Collins at all.
He was best by lack of competitors.
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Legend [6951]
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Re: Yet people here act like we don't lose any.
Apr 23, 2024, 9:35 AM
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Beaux would have started for us this year. The lineup would have likely been:
Beaux
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Tyler
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Wesco, Moore, Randall, Anyone
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Apr 22, 2024, 7:19 PM
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Passed by who?
I respected Beaux and his family for their communication skills ... but true frosh AW0 and TB6 easily outplayed Beaux over the past two years who did not lead, separate, block or have great hands.
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Re: Wesco, Moore, Randall, Anyone
Apr 22, 2024, 8:57 PM
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Passed by who? I respected Beaux and his family for their communication skills ... but true frosh AW0 and TB6 easily outplayed Beaux over the past two years who did not lead, separate, block or have great hands.
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Re: We lose our share of players to the portal every year.***
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Apr 22, 2024, 10:22 AM
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We lose some for sure. I think we would lose more if we started bringing in players from the portal. Some teams lose key guys or studs that dont want to wait a year. I like the way Dabo does it. No way anything is going to be perfect, but I like his system the best. What guys have we lost where it was a huge loss or where we were blindsided and it cost us? Pride? Went home. Mubaka? Went home. Might have even already graduated. Beaux Collins? He was solid and had potential. I like our system.
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Tiger Titan [46330]
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I think we can all agree that we want to be a developmental program
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Apr 22, 2024, 10:36 AM
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as much as possible.
It's best for our program as well as for the players we recruit.
Where some of us disagree is in Dabo's refusal to use the portal to obtain meaningful talent. We simply can't keep losing guys to the portal and replacing them with incoming freshmen. That's a recipe to always be a "young team" that gradually sees its talent level decline - not to mention losing valuable experience.
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Re: I think we can all agree that we want to be a developmental program
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Apr 22, 2024, 11:25 AM
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as much as possible.
It's best for our program as well as for the players we recruit.
Where some of us disagree is in Dabo's refusal to use the portal to obtain meaningful talent. We simply can't keep losing guys to the portal and replacing them with incoming freshmen. That's a recipe to always be a "young team" that gradually sees its talent level decline - not to mention losing valuable experience.
The fly in the oatmeal is if we are getting players like Peter Woods without paying market value NIL based on the fact that we are not restocking out of the portal. Said differently, we can be like other top teams who restock out of the portal or stick with the HS ranks. The problem is we cant afford to compete with the bigger, richer schools in a bidding war. While it seems to make sense to grab a few players out of the portal each year, it may open a bigger can of worms which end up making us less competitive.
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Legend [6951]
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Re: I think we can all agree that we want to be a developmental program
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Apr 22, 2024, 11:51 AM
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Clemson doesn't have to get in a bidding war with anyone. And we have shown that we are willing to make offers. We have pursued several offensive linemen. That's a positive sign.
I do believe that we need to be more aggressive though. We have a tendency to offer HS kids really late in the cycle. Adam Kissayi is a perfect example of this. He was a developmental project that we offered really late. We gave this kid a scholarship even though he wasn't going to be able to contribute for 3-4 years. Grabbing a DE from the portal that could have helped us next year would have made more sense. And it makes a lot more sense now that Kissayi transferred out anyways.
We have a tendency of offering kids late when we have spots to fill. They are almost always developmental projects. I kind of wish we used those spots to pursue someone from the portal instead.
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Re: I think we can all agree that we want to be a developmental program
Apr 22, 2024, 8:50 PM
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So how do you explain the run Kentucky had in basketball when the one and done rule first came into existence in college basketball? That run was made with teams that were almost exclusively freshmen so they must certainly have been younger and less experienced than their competition.
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the "way Dabo does it"........depletes our talent......
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Apr 22, 2024, 11:17 AM
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whether they were contributors.........or future contributors..........or experienced depth.........doesn't matter.
Dabo kicks the vacant schollie to a walk-on OR HS Sr. for next year, which presents the "forever young" problem.
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Re: the "way Dabo does it"........depletes our talent......
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Apr 22, 2024, 2:58 PM
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whether they were contributors.........or future contributors..........or experienced depth.........doesn't matter.
Dabo kicks the vacant schollie to a walk-on OR HS Sr. for next year, which presents the "forever young" problem.
If you actually look at our roster instead of making generalizations to suit your narrative, we have very few walk-ons on scholarship. Our being young has almost zero to do with walk-on players.
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All-In [11061]
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If you'd actually read what I posted instead of making generalizations to fit...
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Apr 22, 2024, 3:54 PM
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YOUR narrative you'd notice I never said that.
I said the vacant schollie gets kicked to EITHER a WALK-ON.........OR........the next HS recruiting class, which presents the "forever young" problem.
I never said walk-ons had anything to do with youth, they do however DEPLETE the talent when it happens.
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Re: Walk-ons that likely get on scholarship
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Apr 22, 2024, 10:04 AM
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Thank you, oh confused purveyor of communist thought. Your take is the perfect example of how the overall talent level at Clemson Football drops over time. Thank you.
We saw the same type of comments back in the early teen years (2011-1014). Seemed to have worked out ok...
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National Champion [7860]
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Re: Walk-ons that likely get on scholarship
Apr 22, 2024, 10:02 AM
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I like it. I like how Dabo does things.
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Legend [6951]
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Apr 22, 2024, 10:10 AM
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We'll see if Dabo's ways get us back to being contenders in this era of college football.
I see an 8-9 win team this year.
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Well, your Five Year Plans never worked, either, so I take your predictions with
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Apr 22, 2024, 10:15 AM
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a grade of slaw. This is going to be our year, until proven otherwise!
Go, Tigers!
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Re: Well, your Five Year Plans never worked, either, so I take your predictions with
Apr 22, 2024, 10:54 AM
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You are confusing Trotsky with Stalin.
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Stalin never did ANYTHING that failed. At least, not anything that anyone who
Apr 22, 2024, 12:56 PM
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valued their life ever said anything about.
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Legend [6951]
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Re: Stalin never did ANYTHING that failed. At least, not anything that anyone who
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Trotsky wasn't a fan of Stalin. He regularly criticized him, which is why Stalin had him executed.
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Re: It will likely be proven otherwise on 8/31/24.***
Apr 22, 2024, 2:35 PM
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How would the Georgia game be the proof?
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Tiger Titan [46330]
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It will be more data showing that Dabos way doesnt work anymore.
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At least not if we want to be an elite football program.
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No worries, the Dabo cult will rest easy knowing that we do things
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"the right way" while accusing everyone else of cheating.
They will rock themselves to sleep every night thinking about our high level success which is becoming more and more distantly in the past.
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Tell 'em shill I
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No, I love having football success.
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Evidently more than many of you do, since you're happy in Dabo's echo chamber and don't dare question why we don't use the transfer portal to infuse more talent and experience into our program.
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Re: No worries, the Dabo cult will rest easy knowing that we do things
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And yet call me crazy, but I get the distinct impression that will make you feel rather satisfied with yourself. Funny thing is, while I don't particularly care for Basketball, I like to see our young men do well, and with them Brad. You on the other hand delight in using any opportunity to throw shade at a guy who had achieved circles around Brad on every level. Your shtick has aged poorly. To deny Dabo is the best coach we have ever had at ANY level is plain silly. Should we use the portal more? I'm inclined to think so, but I'm certainly not privy to all the facts that coaches are, and there may be a lot we don't know. Let's try to be supportive until we have a reason not to. Go Tigers!
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Re: Walk-ons that likely get on scholarship
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The 2025 class is looking great. I think we will be in the playoff this year too. Once we leave the ACC we will see. I think we are recruiting well. We don't have a Trevor Lawrence or DW. That's the only difference moving forward. It's a huge difference, but I like the direction we are going.
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Re: Walk-ons that likely get on scholarship
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I do believe the 2022, 2023, and 2024 classes will be much better than the three previous classes.
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Re: Walk-ons that likely get on scholarship
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I love it when the walk-ons get a scholly.....
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