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Live by the portal, die by the portal.
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Clemson Icon [27676]
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Live by the portal, die by the portal.
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Dec 9, 2024, 5:49 PM
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Just thought I'd give y'all some perspective. I am not following what Miami and SMU, as two examples, are doing this off season. I'm sure both will go heavy into the portal again this year. They have no choice. It worked this year, but no guarantees it will work next year. (Just look at FSU 2022/23 vs 2024.)
But, here is what is happening at FSU. As I am typing 10 guys have entered the portal and 4 have declared for NFL draft. (Cue the jokes - Who the heck on FSU is good enough to play in the NFL?)
But, Norvell is gonna have to go heavy, heavy into portal this year. Most Nole fans are saying 30-40 guys will have to be signed from the portal. I've been saying for weeks that I think that it will be 50+. (I'm factoring in the 105 ship limit, not 85. I don't think 50 will get you even close to 105.)
That's no way to run a program. But, Norvell has no choice. He knows the school is going all in with paying for "big name coaching hires" and the NIL collective will go big time when paying players. (Not to the Michigan or Ohio State or UGA level, but probably in the top 5-10 range.) Norvell knows he better make a bowl next year and win 9 or more in 2026 (minimum) or he will be gone.
Man, I miss the old days when a kid recruited planned on staying at the school 5 years and not getting significant playing time until this 3rd year (R-SO) in the program.
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Orange Elite [5168]
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You right again .
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Dec 9, 2024, 5:57 PM
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That is some jacked up $h1t for college football.
Not sure how to describe my opinion
Only know our loved game is gone.
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Oculus Spirit [39665]
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Re: Live by the portal, die by the portal.
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Dec 9, 2024, 6:02 PM
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Yep Bobby Bowden at one time did not like to play freshmen.
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Clemson Icon [27676]
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The vast majority of the 14 year dynasty...
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Dec 9, 2024, 6:46 PM
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... no QB was the starter until he was a RS junior.
Brad Johnson, Casey Weldon, Charlie Ward, Thad Busby, Danny Kannell, even Chris Weinke who played pro baseball and was a 23 year old freshman (or close to that) didn't start until their 4th year at FSU.
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Valley Protector [1401]
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Yeah, 28 as a Panthers rookie****
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Dec 13, 2024, 5:23 PM
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Orange Blooded [2189]
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Re: The vast majority of the 14 year dynasty...
Dec 14, 2024, 5:32 AM
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Yes that was a great model and worked very well for Bobby. A lot of great qb talent t came through Tally.
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Oculus Spirit [39665]
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Re: Live by the portal, die by the portal.
Dec 9, 2024, 6:06 PM
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Those are some crazy numbers? Man if he gets canned the man behind him has his work cut out for him as far as having folks on roster for 2-3 years. Seems the portals are mostly one and done. Exceptions for sure, just how it seems.
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CU Medallion [18975]
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Miami is playing Iowa State in the Pop-Tart Bowl, in FLA.
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Dec 9, 2024, 6:09 PM
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For them and Ole Miss - was whatever wad they blew getting there worth it? Did it pay off?
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110%er [3945]
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Dabo will also need to go into the portal
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Dec 9, 2024, 6:24 PM
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If not we won't have a lot of players next year. Recruiting class is too small.
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Clemson Icon [27676]
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I would put the over/under for Dabo and the portal this year...
Dec 9, 2024, 6:47 PM
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.... at 8.5. I'd take the over.
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Re: I would put the over/under for Dabo and the portal this year...
Dec 9, 2024, 7:41 PM
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I be happy with 3-4 Solid players.
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As he should, it's best to use it to fill needs and depth
Dec 10, 2024, 2:13 PM
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If the team misses on some recruits in areas of need, why not use the portal? Just don't do it the FSU way and build your hole roster with it.
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Rival Killer [2906]
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We heard the same thing about (insert Colorado here)
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Dec 9, 2024, 6:37 PM
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this time last year around here.
Not a peep, now.
Norvell's problem is that he bet the farm on DJU and didn't even get a couple of healthy cows out of it.
Sanders (9-3) looks pretty good by way of comparison. Same regular season record as Clemson, Bama, Ole Miss, South Carolina...
It's just another form of "win some, lose some,".
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Gridiron Giant [15981]
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Re: We heard the same thing about (insert Colorado here)
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Dec 9, 2024, 6:49 PM
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Where is Colorado ranked in the CFP? Unlike Clemson, they are just another bowl team like Bama, Ole Miss and UofSC.
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Rival Killer [2906]
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They play in a league with better teams, obviously.
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Dec 9, 2024, 7:23 PM
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Three teams with better records than Colorado in the Big 12.
One team with a better record than Clemson.
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Re: They play in a league with better teams, obviously.
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Dec 9, 2024, 9:07 PM
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So you’re saying Clemson played in a league with much better teams than Georgia’s SEC since 0 teams in the SEC had better records than UGA?
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Canard! Canard!
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Dec 10, 2024, 1:56 PM
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False Equivalence! False Equivalence!
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Clemson Icon [27676]
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It was more than just DJU.
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Dec 9, 2024, 6:52 PM
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He initially got guys from the portal who had been productive at previous colleges - mostly smaller schools. Jared Verse and Braden Fiske being the two most notable. But, there were others also. He got 3 guys from SC who were starters at SC.
In 2024 he went after guys who were at major colleges but hadn't played much. Marvin Jones Jr. from UGA, a WR from LSU and several others. Putting it bluntly, none of them worked out. Either injury or poor performance were the problem. After hitting grand slams his first two years in the portal he struck out swinging 3 times in 2024.
He better hit a few doubles at least this year or he is in real trouble.
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CU Medallion [18975]
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The way I see it Norvell failed to factor in how critical on-field and player
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Dec 10, 2024, 2:06 PM
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leadership is to a team. Jordan Travis was the unquestioned leader and heart and soul of that team that allowed for the massive type of turnover Norvell initiated to still work. Him moving on left a massive gap in that area - no glue for all the newbies.
I believe Sanders is a very decent coach, but he will be facing the same thing in Colorado next season with two locker room leadership stalwarts in his son and Travis Hunter moving on. 9 wins is likely Deion's apex there for a few years, if he sticks around that long.
Talent you can replace. Leadership is a whole different story.
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Clemson Conqueror [11846]
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Re: We heard the same thing about (insert Colorado here)
Dec 13, 2024, 5:30 PM
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If you think DJU was the only or even the biggest problem at FSU, you do not know diddly squat about football ..... specifically college football. He was the same QB that won ten games at Clemson and eight at OSU.
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Valley Protector [1401]
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Why don't you like Prime?
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Dec 13, 2024, 5:50 PM
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Obviously he's a loud mouth,#wasrace baiting attention wh0re and he's clearly shown himself to also be a 2 faced arrogant, snitch dissin backstabber...and next season with his QB son & Travis Hunter gone they'll be lucky to win 3 games but what is your real issue with him?
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Clemson Icon [27676]
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I'll give the Nole fan answer, then...
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Dec 13, 2024, 11:25 PM
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... I'll add my personal opinion.
Since he has left FSU he has basically disowned the place. When introduced before NFL gmes he never said "Florida State." He said, "Ft. Myers HS." He had a kid who was a RB in HS. Not his son, but he was the legal guardian for him. The kid went to West Virginia. No problem. But, during the recruiting process Deion made it very clear that the kid would not be going to FSU.
And, the straw the broke the camel's back happened a couple of years ago. Mike Norvel had recruited the #1 player in America. The kid was fully committed. He was recruiting other HS kids to sign with FSU. Then, on signing day, he signed with Jackson State. They had hired Deion as HC. He promised that he would "shock the world" on signing day. He would not tell anyone what the shock would be. The kid had his signing day ceremony. Everyone assumed he would choose FSU. Instead he chose Jackson State. (I'm sure you've figured out the kid was Travis Hunter.)
It wasn't just that the kid flipped on signing day. It was like Deion took great pleasure in stabbing FSU in the back.
That's the Nole fan reason.
My reason is while I think Deion is the best corner ever to play college football (well, with the possible exception of Travis Hunter now) I have never liked his persona. He is very "me centric." It alwasy has to be about him. He is sure to make himself the center of attention. I don't like that attitude in anyone, much less a football coach. And, I don't think it bodes well for any long term success.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [98422]
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Valley Protector [1401]
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Fwiw, every team in CFP # of TP additions for this season...
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Dec 9, 2024, 6:41 PM
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Ore-14, Georgia 11, Tenn 9, UT 12, OSU 7, PSU 6, IU 31, ASU 30,
SMU 21, BS 8, ND 9
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Heisman Winner [80778]
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So, we didn't make it? It was all a dream, like that season of Dallas, and the
Dec 9, 2024, 7:37 PM
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end of Newhart? Dangitallagin!
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All-In [10999]
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Re: Live by the portal, die by the portal.
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Dec 9, 2024, 6:49 PM
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portal QB beat miami sending clemson to the ACC championship
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Hall of Famer [8987]
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Again, we sent ourselves to the ACC Champ game!!***
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Dec 9, 2024, 7:01 PM
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All-In [10999]
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Re: Again, we sent ourselves to the ACC Champ game!!***
Dec 9, 2024, 7:13 PM
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lol
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Rival Killer [2906]
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No, we didn't. We put ourselves in position for Syracuse
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Dec 9, 2024, 7:35 PM
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to send us to the ACCCG.
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Starter [271]
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Why?
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Dec 10, 2024, 1:43 PM
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Why? Because it was the last game of the season? If Syracuse beat them in September instead then we would've earned it with our win over Pitt? You make no sense.
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Re: No, we didn't. We put ourselves in position for Syracuse
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No diffent than being the leader in the clubhouse. You are done with your work and all you can do is wait and see what happens.
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CU Medallion [18975]
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We were #2 in the ACC standings heading into the final week as we
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had already taken care of business on the field.
Miami had to win to knock us out. They failed. We didn't jump Miami with them losing - we were already ahead of them. It was them that failed to win and jump ahead of us.
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Valley Protector [1493]
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Exactly, we never trailed Miami in the conference***
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Dec 10, 2024, 3:03 PM
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Re: Live by the portal, die by the portal.
Dec 9, 2024, 6:52 PM
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50 from the portal is crazy
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Re: Live by the portal, die by the portal.
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Dec 9, 2024, 6:55 PM
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Thanks Brett, how much money are we taking about for 40-50 guys?
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Clemson Icon [27676]
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Great question. Nobody knows.
Dec 9, 2024, 9:02 PM
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This is the transition year. Beginning July 1 there will be some sort of "salary cap." And, somehow any revenue outside of the cap (legitimate money paid by companies, etc. in return for use of name, image and likeness) will be governed and monitored by some sort of "third party."
I expect collectives will be giving guys "signing bonuses" this year so they can get their money before all this new stuff starts in July.
It is my understanding FSU will be "competitive" in NIL, but not at the upper end like Auburn, Ole Miss, Ohio State, Oregon, Michigan, the schools with Texas oil money.
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Re: Live by the portal, die by the portal.
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100% with you...not only did they stay in school, wait their turn and develop, but they were diehards and wanted to be at that particular school. Now the school doesn't matter, it's the paycheck no matter where it comes from, quite sad actually and simply indicative too of a generation that's not learned ,respect, loyalty, integrity, etc...just short term vision of how much you can get with the least amount of work.
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Re: Live by the portal, die by the portal.
Dec 9, 2024, 7:28 PM
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There’s a lot of truth to what you say, but there’s a not-trivial amount of hyperbole as well.
Why do you think that Stellato and N.Johnson are leaving? If you think it’s because we are being outbid as far as NIL $, then you are wrong. They want playing time, and both realize that meaningful PT is not as likely at Clemson as it is elsewhere.
Do you think that culture and team dynamics play no role in which school the kid prefers to play? Although culture and the overall environment may not always be enough to get a player to take lower NIL $ and stay at Clemson and instead go elsewhere, in some circumstances the ‘quality of life’ factor will a.low Clemson to keep a player with a lower NIL payout than what another school will pay.
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Clemson Icon [27676]
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Agree with you.
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Dec 9, 2024, 9:08 PM
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Several of the guys leaving FSU, so far anyway, are not leaving becasue they can make more money elsewhere. They are looking for playing time.
And, there are two camps currently in FSU roster.
1. Son, we'd love for you to stay and help us out next year.
2. Son, just wanted you to know if you stay here you will probably be on the scout squad next year. If you want to go elsewhere, we'll understand. And, we'd be glad to help you find a place.
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Commissioner [1229]
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Re: Agree with you.
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Dec 10, 2024, 2:17 PM
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How can you not get playing time on a 2-10 teams and expect it elsewhere?
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Clemson Icon [27676]
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Exactly. That is why with only a couple of exceptions...
Dec 10, 2024, 2:26 PM
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.... Nole fans are not concerned about guys entering the portal.
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Dynasty Maker [3281]
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Re: Live by the portal, die by the portal.
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The FSU story is an example of the historic nihilistic NIL era of college football. Howard's Rock will be diminished to just another fossil along with FSU and Clemson football.
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Orange Blooded [2408]
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Re: Live by the portal, die by the portal.
Dec 9, 2024, 7:08 PM
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Dabo will have to use it this year. We have lost 2 so far and I think that’s just the beginning. The problem I see for fsu is that most players want more playing time but if they come in with a class of 50 players someone is sitting the bench. I hate the new college football.
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Re: Live by the portal, die by the portal.
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Dec 9, 2024, 7:23 PM
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My guess is he takes no portal players. He will have 85 scholarship players, and he will fill all needs with red shirts and incoming freshmen. Just my opinion.
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Paw Warrior [4756]
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Re: Live by the portal, die by the portal.
Dec 9, 2024, 8:21 PM
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I don’t think he’ll use the “P word” until he has to start using the secretaries at practice ..
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Clemson Icon [27676]
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"I hate the new college football."
Dec 9, 2024, 9:11 PM
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You and I agree. I just hope that there is some sanity left after we get through this 3 -5 year transition.
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Campus Hero [13372]
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Re: Live by the portal, die by the portal.
Dec 9, 2024, 8:22 PM
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You and me both!
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Re: Live by the portal, die by the portal.
Dec 10, 2024, 2:34 PM
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SMU had at least 6 players from Miami as a result of their coaches formerly were with Miami
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Clemson Icon [27676]
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I think 17 starters for SMU this year...
Dec 11, 2024, 4:43 PM
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.... came thru the portal for this season.
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Re: Live by the portal, die by the portal.
Dec 10, 2024, 2:38 PM
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Tooth paste won’t go back in the tube now!
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Dynasty Maker [3105]
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Norvell has destroyed FSU football.
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Dec 11, 2024, 1:17 PM
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It's one thing to go from winning 13 games to losing 10 games in 12 months.
It's a whole other thing altogether to in those same 12 months demoralize the fan base, kill recruiting, and in short just burn Rome to the ground.
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Ring of Honor [22020]
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No matter what side of the Clemson portal debate you are on, everyone agrees...
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Dec 11, 2024, 4:40 PM
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...you here.
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Dynasty Maker [3105]
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I hope your dissertation defense went well this morning.
Dec 12, 2024, 10:26 AM
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Congratulations on your achievement --
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