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One of the most overused words nowadays is...
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Sep 10, 2024, 10:09 AM
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"entitled". It is used often when the word "clueless" or "idiotic" would be more appropriate.
However, in the case of Tyreek Hill, "entitled" is the most appropriate primary descriptor. Then you can add "idiot", "buffoon", "disgrace to his team", whatever.
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Famous and rich people often feel entitled. Lots of examples
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Sep 10, 2024, 10:19 AM
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And they often have well paid lawyers that can work the system.
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I'm not really having a problem with what Tyreek did
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Sep 10, 2024, 10:20 AM
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He offered up his documentation and he admitted fault; he told the officer to just give him a ticket. That should be the end of it; write him the ticket and send him on his way. You can roll your window back up after giving police your documents; that's a fact.
The officer made a bigger deal than necessary out of it.
Honestly, if you get stopped by a cop, you should also exercise the same window policy. You are not required to roll that thing all the way down.
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Re: I'm not really having a problem with what Tyreek did
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Sep 10, 2024, 11:01 AM
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When you have illegal tint on the window, you are obligated.
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I get that. Did he, though?
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Sep 10, 2024, 11:09 AM
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I haven't seen whether or not that was the case or what the Florida law is.
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Tyreek rolled up his tinted window on the cop
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Sep 10, 2024, 1:17 PM
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That’s bullshidd
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Nah, I disagree. Tyreek caught an attitude straight away and was a bit
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Sep 10, 2024, 11:08 AM
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defiant. We can semantic the window thing all day, but bottom line is a police guy was trying to deal with him and he's got his tinted window up and won't roll it down while rustling around with his hands.
That is the level of dumbassery that a)escalates the situation, b)puts the cops in a REAL BAD spot and forces them to do what they did, and c)get's a window broken, a MF shot/tased, etc.
Obviously anything more than what the cop(s) did would have been too much in this instance. That said, put 'em against the wall and force them to make those types of split second decisions and enter the possibility of having to deal with what comes along with that.
A couple of yes sirs and no sirs, a window down, etc. and this all goes away real quickly.
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Re: Nah, I disagree. Tyreek caught an attitude straight away and was a bit
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Sep 10, 2024, 11:14 AM
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Watching the up close video, it's not so tinted that the officer can't see inside (I can see him clearly) and his hands stay still. He said he was going to be late, do what you gotta do, give him the ticket. Yeah, probably less formal than the officer is used to, but it's easy to just write the ticket and move on.
Entitled? Probably/likely. But nothing in this situation warranted forcing someone out of their car and onto the ground. If it did, they probably wouldn't be launching the investigation that they are.
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Let me put this differently. If that were my son talking to the cops like that
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Sep 10, 2024, 12:04 PM
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I'd tell him he EARNED every bit of that. The disrespect, failure to follow orders....and telling the cop to hurry up because you're running late? Like what the actual F? Could the cop have handled it better or differently? Ok, I suppose. But it's not like Tyreek was ragdolled around and beaten or disrespected.
And sure, a high profile guy with all sorts of witnesses and a national media story....sure they will investigate the officer for whether or not he followed protocol. Probaby a very normal thing in this type of situation.
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Re: I'm not really having a problem with what Tyreek did
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Sep 10, 2024, 11:19 AM
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It is an interesting thing to consider. We don't yet know the evidence that he was speeding. For a moment let's say he was.
If a guy in a supercar speeds down the highway, kills a person at a traffic light, then later blows a .16, we all want to know why cops are not stopping this. When a car is stopped, aggressive behavior by the driver is a sign of intoxication. All the cop did was ask him to roll the window down so the cop could see into the car, a reasonable safety matter. When Ty acted like he did, getting him out of the car in cuffs was a reasonable thing to do. They didn't keep him long, they wrote him a ticket, they let him go. He scored a touchdown and earned big money. No rights were violated, no harm was done to anyone. Had he been an intoxicated idiot, the cops would have done exactly the right thing.
But did they have to cuff him? It looks bad on film. No question. I could take Ty's side and say that the cop could have first said, when opening the door, "Please step out", and seen what Ty did. Granted. On the other hand, Ty was in full obstinate mode by then, had already refused one request. Traffic stops that begin with that driver behavior tend to go south. So, very much a gray area, it seems. But it was, all factors considered, no-harm-no-foul, when the environment is one of intoxicated drivers.
Maybe you have another take.
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Re: I'm not really having a problem with what Tyreek did
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Sep 10, 2024, 11:29 AM
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I think, as you mention, a "step out of the car" was a better way to handle it. It should never go from someone not rolling a window down (again, perfectly legal unless the tint is illegal) to being physically dragged out of the car. There's a pretty reasonable step in between.
He didn't argue the charges and told them to just write a ticket. There didn't seem to be any indication he was under the influence.
My concern with this situation is what if this happens to someone who isn't famous (and it likely has). This gets scrutiny and probably a reprimand because he's famous. But the average guy in this situation... what recourse does he have?
Either way, if the officer felt he was illegally refusing to comply (he wasn't), the next step was to tell him to exit the vehicle on his own.
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Re: I'm not really having a problem with what Tyreek did
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Sep 10, 2024, 11:53 AM
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Your comment is correct. It does happen to non celebrities. It does get scrutiny, but in a fun way. So, this is one take on that:
My bias is that since I dont use TV except for college football, youtube is my video entertainment. I end up watching too many body cam videos just because they are so darned fun. White, black, male, female, redneck or rich, it doesn't matter ... when they start acting like Hill did, it goes really bad, and they are usually intoxicated. And they say the craziest stuff you've ever heard. Cops get hit, kicked, spit on, knifed and shot at, and it goes from that belligerent attitude to violence in about 2 seconds. I can see cops having the default that once a person displays that attitude, the next step is cuffs until the truth of the situation can be uncovered. How they reacted to Hill's belligerence happens routinely. In Hill's case, the end was just a ticket because, his aggressiveness aside, that was the truth of the situation.
They wear body cams for that reason, and the cops know they are wearing them when they react as they do. So, those interactions are out there for us to see. If treating potentially intoxicated people as though they are intoxicated until the truth can be uncovered gets a cop in trouble, we'll see less enforcement, because they need to keep their jobs, and they are not going to put themselves in a situation where the offender gets a free first move. That outcome is what we really don't want.
But I know there is another way to look at it. I said 'bias' because I know those are the cams that get posted.
Edit: Some of the media reaction seems manufactured, like they haven't seen dozens of those interactions on youtube like everybody else. They know. So, it happens to a celebrity and it's, "OMG, did you see that?" Okay.
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Re: Watch the video again. The cop told him to get out of the car like 6-7 times.
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Sep 10, 2024, 12:40 PM
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All I could see in the window was a reflection of the cop. Told him to get out of the car multiple times.
https://youtu.be/pLKRKwmAtt8?si=zc4uJP0nHpS3AKhx
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I stand corrected
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Sep 10, 2024, 4:20 PM
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I had seen only some of the clip from the officer up close, and then the rest of one from afar. You're right, he did order him out several times. I still think he had the right to have the window up, or at least cracked, but he also should have complied when ordered out of the vehicle.
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Re: I stand corrected
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Sep 10, 2024, 9:40 PM
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You are correct. He had to lower it only for communication (unless it was tinted).
"Deescalate" seems to have become a one-way street. Cops can certainly walk away from potentially dangerous situations. That will 'deescalate', if that is what we want. We send cops to jail because they dont rush into a school building with a shooter, then suspend them for keeping situations from getting to that point (which cant be done with talk). If Ty had been an ordinary but intoxicated guy, the officers would have by definition 'deescalated' the situation. Because it was Ty, they might be fired. And if the shooting starts at a Miami party, we want those same cops to come running.
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In the video I saw, you could not see Hill once the window was rolled up
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Sep 11, 2024, 11:36 AM
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which means the officer can't see what his hands are doing in the vehicle... like reaching for a gun.
He could have nipped the whole thing in the bud with a little civility.
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Re: One of the most overused words nowadays is...
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Sep 10, 2024, 11:00 AM
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Honestly thought you were going to say "physicality"
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