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Gridiron Giant [16033]
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Tyler Davis was vaccinated.
Sep 2, 2021, 9:32 AM
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Since the ACC and SEC does not require testing of vaccinated players, I am hearing that he will be good to go if he can post a negative test before Saturday. Someone better barely stick that Q-Tip to the tip of his nostril.
Also, Clemson has got to stop testing vaccinated students every week moving forward or this football season is going to be very stressful. No other school in the ACC, besides Duke, is doing this to vaccinated students.
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Re: Tyler Davis was vaccinated.
Sep 2, 2021, 9:34 AM
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why do we stuff like this to ourselves?
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Re: Tyler Davis was vaccinated.
Sep 2, 2021, 9:59 AM
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It goes back to an old saying I use to hear a lot, but not so much in the past years until now, and that saying goes like this, "sometimes good just isn't good enough", well it seems that is the stance the administration is taking with testing the vaccinated students, just good isn't good enough, now lets test everybody to see what difficulties we can create for our selves!!!!
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Lawyers
Sep 2, 2021, 10:21 AM
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If a student dies while having covid, the school will get sued.
Do you remeber tucker hips
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Re: Lawyers
Sep 2, 2021, 10:29 AM
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I dont think that is quite the same at all. A hazing ritual versus a virus you can get anywhere could be contracted anywhere.
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Top TigerNet [32629]
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Clemson has zero control over what students
Sep 2, 2021, 11:23 AM
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Do OFF campus.. yet still got hit with a 25mil lawsuit.
Clemson has absolute control over policies for students ON campus..
if you can get hit for 25 mil fir something you have no control over, just imagine how much you will get hit for in cases where you do have control.
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Freshman [-94]
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You people are ridiculous!
Sep 2, 2021, 12:50 PM
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This is a ridiculous asinine analogy. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other. And it is the university’s job to police fraternities. It’s not the university’s job to prevent someone for getting a virus during a global pandemic!
The government is giving blanket immunity to pharmaceutical companies and hospitals left and right over an untested experimental vaccine. No university is going to successfully get sued if someone dies from a virus that they have no control over. The American system or jurisprudence is certainly screwed up, but it’s not that screwed up!
This is just more proof you people have lost any amount of common sense and critical thinking over Covid!
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What u smoking man.. responsibly has nothing
Sep 2, 2021, 1:40 PM
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To do with it.. I never posted any one was responsible for anything
Your sensitivity to vaccination blurs your comprehension.
It has nothing to do with responsibility. It has to do with what you will or not be sued .
Animal house is not real. Dean Vernon can evict delta from their house if it is on campus.
He could prevent delta house from participating in any on campus activities.
He had no control over what the deltas did off campus. Fraternities are independent organizations.
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Legend [6896]
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~this~What u smoking man.. responsibly has nothing
Sep 2, 2021, 5:17 PM
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lowcountry probably has been taking De worming meds. He is a mortgage banker who thinks he knows science, lol.
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Tucker Hipps ? The Clemson Family member who was murdered
Sep 2, 2021, 2:26 PM
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by a scumbag, momma's boy, silver spooner who's dad is a deep pocketed, slimy politician / lawyer ? ?
What does that have to do with getting vaxxed ? ? ?
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The defense for that is easy.
Sep 2, 2021, 10:55 AM
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Make the plaintiff prove the deceased contracted covid on campus.
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Clemson absolutely proved tucker hips died
Sep 2, 2021, 11:31 AM
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Off campus.. stil got hit with a civil suit..still had to settle out of court.
They would probably be able to defend a criminal negligence charge.
Beating civil suits is much harder.. even when you win, the suit.. they still cost money .. which means you still lose.
If I was the president I would do the same thing. Be over cautious. Covid is a scary dude... lawyers are just as scary
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Freshman [-94]
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Clemson has no liability.
Sep 2, 2021, 12:53 PM
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The standards the ACC is following are beyond anything any state or the national government requires. You people are obtuse.
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Clemson also requires students to have meningitis
Sep 2, 2021, 1:45 PM
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Vaccines which are NOT required by the state of south carolina or any public school.
So clemson has and can do things different from other organizations... even the government.
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Re: Tyler Davis was vaccinated.
Sep 2, 2021, 9:35 AM
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They should just make vaccines a requirement unless there is a medical reason why not, and then just let the town go back to normal. Its better for business.
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Tiger Spirit [9544]
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Why? So the cases of the virus are more likely to go undetected…
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Sep 2, 2021, 9:41 AM
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thus increasing the likelihood of the spread?
Hey, I’m all for things going back to normal. Just don’t see what forcing people to get the shots and then moving on will accomplish.
People with the shots still get it and spread it.
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Re: Why? So the cases of the virus are more likely to go undetected…
Sep 2, 2021, 9:44 AM
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What if everyone on campus is vaccinated? I think everyone should just get that done and the world should go full speed ahead....no testing.
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Re: Why? So the cases of the virus are more likely to go undetected…
Sep 2, 2021, 9:48 AM
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The delta and even the lambda variant that we are seeing now is because the virus has mutated in the vaccinated population. Which by the way, the PRC can't distinguish between a variant, so it's all just a wildass guess if the vaccines are even effective when you have outbreaks in Israel with over 95% vaccinated.
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Re: Why? So the cases of the virus are more likely to go undetected…
Sep 2, 2021, 9:50 AM
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Ok, but we know close to 100% of the people in the ICU units hogging beds are the unvaccinated.
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Tiger Spirit [9544]
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Do we really know that???
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Sep 2, 2021, 9:58 AM
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Or are unvaccinated people the boogey man on your news channel of choice?
Oh… and “hogging beds” lol good one
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Re: Do we really know that???
Sep 2, 2021, 10:03 AM
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I don't mind unvaccinated people. I am just a capitalist who likes to see business around the country thriving and going full speed ahead. There is no news source or network for me for this. Its just what is happening. The unvaccinated are slowing the country down. Then again I have almost always made making money a priority. If someone doesn't want to get vaccinated I support their right. I just know that for the good of the US it is better if nation is vaccinated. I don't like being told what to do either though. I was just pointing out what is happening. Its just the reality. Don't get vaccinated. Your choice.
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Gridiron Giant [16033]
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I just received stats from MUSC. 87% of hospitalizations
Sep 2, 2021, 10:06 AM
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are unvaxed. But I'm sure they're also relatively unhealthy. But those are accurate numbers.
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Re: I just received stats from MUSC. 87% of hospitalizations
Sep 2, 2021, 10:10 AM
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Its always over 80% and Idaho there is a hospital that is 100%. Its just the way it works.
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Game Changer [1665]
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Re: I just received stats from MUSC. 87% of hospitalizations
Sep 2, 2021, 11:20 AM
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Not that I don't trust you but can anyone provide links? Joe Bob at Cabelas or Don Lemon at CNN said that 80% were un-vaccinated and in ICU therefore it must true. lol.
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That's a super-cool article from May. Here's one from August
Sep 2, 2021, 12:58 PM
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https://www.science.org/news/2021/08/grim-warning-israel-vaccination-blunts-does-not-defeat-delta
BTW the numbers for the 99% were manipulated through uneven reporting. The CDC changed the reporting protocols a few months ago.
DSHS doesn’t track the number of COVID-19 hospitalizations among vaccinated people statewide because hospitals are not required to report that information to the state. Travis County’s health authority, Dr. Desmar Walkes, told county commissioners and Austin City Council members in a Tuesday meeting that almost all new COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations in the area have been among unvaccinated people
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/07/21/coronavirus-texas-vaccinated-deaths/
OBVIOUS manipulation.
CDC did this right before your article....
As of May 1, 2021, CDC transitioned from monitoring all reported vaccine breakthrough cases to focus on identifying and investigating only hospitalized or fatal cases due to any cause. This shift will help maximize the quality of the data collected on cases of greatest clinical and public health importance. Previous case counts, which were last updated on April 26, 2021, are available for reference only and will not be updated moving forward.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html![]() Information and resources to help public health departments and laboratories investigate and report COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough cases.
How are people so willingly blind to this type of thing. You guys WANT to believe big pharma so badly its awkward.
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Re: I just received stats from MUSC. 87% of hospitalizations
Sep 2, 2021, 10:56 AM
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You are so wrong, and part of the problem when saying unproven bull chit as what you're saying. Covid does not discriminate from any age, sex, nationality, how young, old, strong, weak, or athletic you are.
The covid virus can, and will kill anybody with or without any conditions. The good, the bad, the strong, the weak, the pretty, the ugly, 100% healthy, and athletic. It does not discriminate, and putting out false information only helps a killer virus to kill even more!!!
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Ring of Honor [23484]
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The stats thoroughly prove that covid does discriminate
Sep 2, 2021, 11:05 AM
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based on all those things you just mentioned.
Obesity, sex, age, health background. To say otherwise is completely irrational.
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Re: The stats thoroughly prove that covid does discriminate
Sep 2, 2021, 12:51 PM
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I think a lot of basic things go over your head. You're adorable. Good work. You found your niche in the world. Conspiracy out of touch wierdo. I like that niche. That's a fun one. I assume you are not in sales or keep all the nuttiness close to your chest. Thats cool though. Its kind of like Dungeons and Dragons kind of goofy stuff. Live in an alternative world. It doesn't matter. Have fun. It keeps you busy and occupied. More power to you.
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Re: LOL dude I think I broke you.
Sep 2, 2021, 1:08 PM
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You really believe that was interesting or an accomplishment. Wow. Thats is great. You just be you. No wonder you fall into so many rabbit holes.
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Re: No, it's propaganda. Israel is further along in this...
Sep 2, 2021, 10:20 AM
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You always believe in stupid conspiracy theories. You don't live in reality. You just don't know that though.
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Ring of Honor [23484]
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This is how trained people behave. No specifics.
Sep 2, 2021, 10:31 AM
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He is trained to avoid critical thinking and try and destroy the legitimacy of the info so he doesn't have to engage with it.
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Israel IS the case study.
Sep 2, 2021, 10:48 AM
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They're way out in front as far as vaccinations and boosters are concerned. Whatever is happening there will happen here. If the virus shows that it is dying and going away then we will know that the vaccine is effective. If it grows or doesn't change and folks in ICU's are fully vaccinated then we know what to expect here and what kind of pressure we need to put back on those who are instructing us. This information can help us. Why people would want to misrepresent it is just irrational.
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Ring of Honor [23484]
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People are being trained by corporate media to have
Sep 2, 2021, 10:52 AM
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religious faith in vaccines as an end-all be-all.
Even though evidence has been mounting for a while that this is irrational.... if they see TV doctors X, Y and Z on CNN tell them directly, "Everyone needs the vaccine." then they will interpret that as the entire scientific community proving that vaccines for everyone are the only way to save us from this crisis.
But that is obviously a delusional perspective loaded with conflict of interest.
Even a leading Harvard Epidemiologist taking an Op-Ed out in a major paper... citing specifics..... can't break some people free of the brainwashing...
"The idea that everybody needs to be vaccinated is as scientifically baseless as the idea that nobody does," they wrote. "Covid vaccines are essential for older, high-risk people and their caretakers and advisable for many others. But those who’ve been infected are already immune."
https://www.wsj.com/articles/vaccine-passports-prolong-lockdowns-11617726629
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Re: People are being trained by corporate media to have
Sep 2, 2021, 10:57 AM
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Everything since able further confirms the perspective in
Sep 2, 2021, 11:01 AM
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op-ed.
He has been supported by the data since.
Vaccines are not stopping transmission. Israel (and Gibraltar, etc.) has now shown us that it's not stopping hospitalizations.
In Israel, now you are not "fully vaccinated" unless you have 3 shots. And obviously that will continue to grow indefinitely.
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Re: Everything since able further confirms the perspective in
Sep 2, 2021, 11:14 AM
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Best thing.... except natural immunity.
Sep 2, 2021, 11:21 AM
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And if ADE happens due to overvaccination then it will eff us up.
People act like that's impossible. It happened in every covid vaccine animal trial before this one received emergency authorization.
People are being myopic about vaccines and it is stoked by conflict of interest.
The censorship of other treatments is obvious. The conflict of interest is obvious. The toll this has had on the middle class and the benefit to billionaires is obvious. The increase in totalitarianism is obvious.
But people can't put it together because it's too scary.
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I get your point but the definition of immune isn't
Sep 2, 2021, 12:38 PM
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quite how I think you might be using it.
"immune" in the context of biology means your body has recorded the virus and has things ready to go to fight it when it arrives.
It doesn't means it's literally impossible for the same virus to show up in your system again. It just means you are MUCH better protected than before. This is the same for vaccines. Vaccine breakthroughs do not invalidate the utility of vaccines. The idea is that they do more good than harm by a wide margin. Most vaccines do this for most people.
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Re: No, it's propaganda. Israel is further along in this...
Sep 2, 2021, 11:10 AM
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I think that what they are saying is that, the people that were vaccinated in December/January, should be getting the booster bc they are more likely to be infected than someone vaccinated in June/July, and that booster shots should be given earlier than first thought to be given....
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Ring of Honor [23484]
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Yes, but the point is that "vaccine subscription" is the
Sep 2, 2021, 11:15 AM
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future for vaccinated people. According to the Israeli definition of "fully vaccinated" no one in the US meets the criteria. And that will change here too. THat's why Biden is pressuring the FDA to approve a booster so soon. That's where this was always going. Then it's 4 then 5 and incrementally people will accept the new normal.
Americans have been convinced that getting two will save the planet.... now they will slowly see that the new normal is vaccinations every 6 months and a passport to go along with it.
Complying with this is contributing to actually making this a new long-term era in human history.
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Re: Yes, but the point is that "vaccine subscription" is the
Sep 2, 2021, 11:21 AM
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Re: Yes, but the point is that "vaccine subscription" is the
Sep 2, 2021, 11:24 AM
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What if it's not the actual situation though? The survival rate is well over 99%. Think about who is benefitting from all this hysteria. We could literally do nothing and be better off than what we are headed towards.
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Re: Yes, but the point is that "vaccine subscription" is the
Sep 2, 2021, 11:31 AM
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Look at Australia. Absolute totalitarianism.
Sep 2, 2021, 11:39 AM
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Permanent mandatory vaccines, enforced with digital passports to access the economy. Who controls this? You and I? No.
The ability to lockdown and quarantine people by executive decree. Permanent emergency suspension of constitutional rights.
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Re: Look at Australia. Absolute totalitarianism.
Sep 2, 2021, 12:28 PM
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You are way out there from the real world. I like your posts. They are fun.
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Oh so you don't think Australia is currently experiencing
Sep 2, 2021, 12:32 PM
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totalitarianism? Or you just think that can't also happen here?
If you are specific we can have a valuable discussion using logic and evidence.
Does that type of thing interest you? Or are you more of the "avoids specifics" type?
I'd be happy to THOROUGHLY demonstrate whatever you like me to. We can start with the definition of totalitarianism.
A system of government that is centralized and dictatorial and requires complete subservience to the state.
Let me know what else you need. 
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Re: Oh so you don't think Australia is currently experiencing
Sep 2, 2021, 12:39 PM
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Haha...okay. Stay out there. I like it. At least you work your brain. Thats good. I think that is healthy to healthy to stretch one's brain, even if way out there and based on the real world. That said, the real world is very straitforward.
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See? He is literally incapable of being specific.
Sep 2, 2021, 12:41 PM
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I've pointed this out 3 or 4 times. He can see it. He knows other's can see it. But he's stuck. This is what programming does to people.
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You do realize they are literally an island? We couldn't
Sep 2, 2021, 1:39 PM
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close our borders if we tried
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Sigh... READ it for God sakes. lol***
Sep 2, 2021, 1:40 PM
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That's a completely worthless statement.
Sep 2, 2021, 1:39 PM
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It's bad for your intellectual health to think that way. Focus on logic and evidence.
If you think something is crazy.... then say specifically what you think it crazy and why.
Otherwise what are you doing? Being arbitrary.
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Paw Master [17095]
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There will be no PERMANENT emergency suspension of
Sep 2, 2021, 1:53 PM
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Constitutional Rights guy, that is utterly ridiculous
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It's ridiculous based on what? You wanna talk history?
Sep 2, 2021, 1:55 PM
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Or is there some other thing you are basing that on that makes you assume you are correct?
You have my ear.
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Let me ask you a True?False question...Is there spyware in
Sep 2, 2021, 1:56 PM
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the vaccine?
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lol, nice try to invalidate having to think about this.
Sep 2, 2021, 2:02 PM
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No, I don't think there is spyware in the vaccine. haha
The thing that you would want to be able to use against me is that I think there may be intentional graphene dosing going on is at least some of them. But there is nowhere near enough evidence for me to be confident. Obviously you don't want to hear any more about that so I'll spare you.
But no... I strongly believe there is nothing related to surveillance in the covid vaccines.
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Notice I asked you an open question and how you responded?
Sep 2, 2021, 2:03 PM
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Didn't want to express yourself but instead fished for something that invalidated the source of an opposing perspective.
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I am ill-equipped to talk crazy with you because clearly you
Sep 2, 2021, 2:16 PM
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are well versed in an array of outrageous conspiracies...From the PERMANENT suspension of Constitutional Rights to graphene dosing, that you suspect, but sadly cannot prove...What is a historical example of a PERMANENT suspension of rights based off an emergency?
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You have to realize how obvious it was that you were never
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going to answer that question. You guys are so predictable I literally told you what you were about to do.... and you still did. Because you can't help it.
If you had a legitimate perspective, you could easily answer a basic, not loaded or leading question. But that's not your motivation. You thought you could just drive past and make yourself feel better with no effort.
You have assumptions and avoidance tactics. Nothing else. Learn yourself.
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Paw Master [17095]
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What question did I fail to answer?***
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Can you provide an example of this PERMANENT suspension
Sep 2, 2021, 2:38 PM
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that happened HERE RECENTLY?
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Are you making the argument that the only valid example
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of a permanent suspension of rights that could ever happen to people must come from their own country and have happened recently?
How is that not arbitrary? History doesn't follow that distinction at all.
Anyways.... have you never heard of the Patriot Act? Do you want a refresher?
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So in the world of rational debate, people answer each other
Sep 2, 2021, 2:14 PM
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before moving on.
You answer my open-ended and honest question about what evidence/logic you are using to assume that totalitarianism can't be permanent, and I'll feed your attempt to invalidate me by answering your question.
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You can't rationally debate a crazy person***
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This one must have hit home...No snappy reply here huh?***
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You are allowing yourself to get sucked into political worst case scenarios
Sep 2, 2021, 4:55 PM
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and conspiracy theories.
I suggest that you try your best to separate the medical part from the political part. If you can step back from the minutiae that you’ve been posting in an effort to “disprove” vaccines and thus counter the government boogeyman you seem to fear, you will see the big picture which is that the virus is overwhelmingly killing those who don’t have prior immunity to COVID (e.g., vaccinated or previously infected).
Obviously, infection despite prior immunity can happen, but it seems to be really rare.
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Separating the political side from the medical side? Now
Sep 2, 2021, 4:59 PM
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that's just CRAZY talk
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Ring of Honor [23484]
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You are jumping hard to silly conclusions. I have separated
Sep 2, 2021, 5:11 PM
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the medical part from the political part. The problem is those who can't.
Why don't you stick to specifics instead of trying to establish yourself as some kind of overall authority who is super-extra capable of evaluating motivations and world-views.
I'm not trying to "disprove" vaccines. I have said here that many people probably should be taking them. You asserting that I'm trying to "disprove vaccines" is merely evidence of your own apparent penchant jumping to conclusions and seeming like you have everything figured out. Read more and think harder before trying to tell people what they are arguing and why they are doing it.
Follow the particular points made in the thread instead of trying to evaluate everything in one broad brush in order to set everyone straight.
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Re: Why? So the cases of the virus are more likely to go undetected…
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Do you have stats or just talking points from CNN/MSNBC? I have antibodies but since the vaccinated have unleashed the variants then I may have to get the next set of shots. I also take my own elixir (quinine) because I am not paralyzed by fear from the talking heads and prefer therapeutics. I do recommend if you are over 60 with any preexisting issues that you should take it but you're only doing your self a disservice by wiping out existing antibodies. I wonder what the graphene oxide and recalled Moderna vaccines with particles will have on the subjects? You guys should really do your own research.
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Re: Why? So the cases of the virus are more likely to go undetected…
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I was only taking the word of people I know that run hospitals and wotk in them, coupled with all of the medical professionals working and running hospitals around the nation. This is not a politic issue. By the way, I was unvaccinated in the ICU with a Covid pneumonia. I had oxygen levels in the low 80's. Over 90% people in the ICU units due to Covid are unvaccinated. Is it a coincidence? I doubt it. Maybe it is.
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Are you not aware that there is historical precedent for
Sep 2, 2021, 10:56 AM
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exactly that? That obviously doesn't mean it's happening now.... but the idea that's its a crazy, unscientific concept is just wrong. It absolutely could be true. Obviously there is no way to confirm that yet... but we also can't rule it out.
Ask yourself why you are so emotionally averse to that possibility.
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I'm emotionally averse to stupid ####### people
Sep 2, 2021, 10:58 AM
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that are continuing to keep us in the never ending h#ll.
I'M SICK OF IT.
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You are hysterical and your anger is misplaced by design.***
Sep 2, 2021, 11:02 AM
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You are a clown.
Sep 2, 2021, 11:24 AM
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You don't have science on your side. You don't have data on your side. Vaccinated people are not the problem, no matter how much you and OAN want them to be.
Do what you have to do to end this. Either get the shot and mask up or just die. I don't care anymore. I want out of this perpetual h#ll. I'm simply exhausted from caring about people that don't give a flying #### about their neighbor.
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Assumptions and bumper sticker slogans. You are so far gone.***
Sep 2, 2021, 11:28 AM
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Go take your horse dewormer***
Sep 2, 2021, 11:29 AM
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Hopefully others can see that everything he says is parroted
Sep 2, 2021, 11:40 AM
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He completely ignored the specific point and his programming kicked in.
This is extremely dangerous as history has shown us what people this badly manipulated are capable of doing to those they are told are a threat.
He's being dehumanized to dehumanize others.
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"The world is out to get me so maybe I'll stop by
Sep 2, 2021, 11:48 AM
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the Tractor Supply and pick up some pesticides!"
You think you are some kind of free thinker. You just aren't smart enough to interpret things you don't understand so you "buck the trend" and adopt conspiracy.
You are a #### excuse for a human and I sincerely hope you aren't responsible for the death of someone you love.
Blocking you, plague rat.
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Others following this.... check this out... please.
Sep 2, 2021, 11:52 AM
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["During the Holocaust, Nazis referred to Jews as rats. Hutus involved in the Rwanda genocide called Tutsis cockroaches. Slave owners throughout history considered slaves subhuman animals. In Less Than Human, David Livingstone Smith argues that it's important to define and describe dehumanization, because it's what opens the door for cruelty and genocide."/i]
https://www.npr.org/2011/03/29/134956180/criminals-see-their-victims-as-less-than-human
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Last comment...
Sep 2, 2021, 12:04 PM
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you and your kind are endangering my children.
So forgive me if IDGAF about you. Or don't. I don't care. You are subhuman if you put my kids (and my immunocompromised wife) at risk. Darwin will sort it out.
Looks like you are tired of being called a spreader and you went and armed yourself. Cute.
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I'm not a danger to your children Mr. Crazy person.
Sep 2, 2021, 12:07 PM
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You, and the herd of uncritical people like you, are a danger to my children's future.
You have been badly manipulated to dehumanize people. And you are the danger.
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Your thumbs down are so hurtful. Please stop
Sep 2, 2021, 12:07 PM
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I can't take it.
You don't own the moral high ground if you continue to spread misinformation and this virus. Sorry, chief.
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You are essentially in pre-genocide mode. Publicly.
Sep 2, 2021, 12:08 PM
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Kinda awful.
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Pre-genocide mode? God I wish I could make this #### up***
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There it is. “Misinformation”…
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That’s the new word for “something that goes against my opinion”.
Would you care to point out exactly what “misinformation” I spread, so I can try to do better?
Thx
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Was talking about CSO, but go on doin you anyway
Sep 2, 2021, 12:18 PM
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And that isn't the meaning of that word. No matter how bad you and Tucker want it to be.
Have a great day. I've had enough of the cesspool of ignorance for one day.
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See how it's about TV news figures?
Sep 2, 2021, 12:21 PM
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Tucker this... OAN that. That's his world. It's so toxic.
He thinks that I am a republican who watches FoxNews. He can't NOT think that because.... programming.
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You need to start
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by escaping your own little cesspool. Hope your day gets better.
By the way…I’m going to the game Saturday. And I haven’t had my shots!!!! Look out!
But I did choose to go this morning to get tested, because I care.
So my negative test will be more useful than some useless shot record from 6 months ago. See how that works?
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Have a great time at the game.
Sep 2, 2021, 12:30 PM
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Hope its a legendary win.
It will be nice when it's safe enough for everyone to return to games. Hopefully that is sooner than later.
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And I'll note, that wasn't facetious. I really do hope you
Sep 2, 2021, 12:38 PM
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have a great time. Be loud. Think about our argument and yell louder. lol.
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Thanks***
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No, but getting stuck in a personal attack loop is a side
Sep 2, 2021, 2:26 PM
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effect of programming. 
This is the point in which even though I am holding over your head the fact you can't address anything specifically, for everyone to see clearly, you still are incapable of saying anything specific. But you won't stop responding.... you feel compelled to continue with baseless personal insults which are targeted at my mental health (paranoia, conspiracy, etc) and casual deflections to demonstrate that you don't take it seriously. Escape hatch.
One day this realization will hurt you. 
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Forgive me, I'm in pre-genocide mode due to the graphene
Sep 2, 2021, 2:31 PM
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dosing that I can't prove...Just need an emergency PERMANENT suspension of Constitutional Rights to complete the Strawman set and then I will reach full immunity...from buzzwords
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Told you guys.... loop. He can't stop.***
Sep 2, 2021, 2:35 PM
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Who are these "guys" you are talking to? Voices in your head***
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Ok last one, I'll let you burn out without me after this. :)
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"This is the point in which even though I am holding over your head the fact you can't address anything specifically, for everyone to see clearly, you still are incapable of saying anything specific. But you won't stop responding.... you feel compelled to continue with baseless personal insults which are targeted at my mental health (paranoia, conspiracy, etc) and casual deflections to demonstrate that you don't take it seriously. Escape hatch."
https://www.tigernet.com/clemson-forum/message/no-but-getting-stuck-in-a-personal-attack-loop-is-a-side-29356569#29356569
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Paw Master [17095]
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OH, can't help but notice you failed to answer my question..
Sep 2, 2021, 2:45 PM
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What will "the guys" think now? Programming? Graphene dosing? Maybe you fell victim to the dreaded strawman?
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Sorry, I left out attack loop, must be a side-effect of the
Sep 2, 2021, 2:51 PM
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graphene programming...It will all even out when our constitutional rights are permanently suspended...Fingers crossed
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You are desperately trying to build a strawman. Stop.***
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Probably a side effect of the graphene dosing ...If only I
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could prove it...And you accused ME of building a strawman? Ooooooh that's rich...Must be the programming huh?
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This is the part of the movie where the fear-laden individuals start name-calling those that have natural antibodies because they took the experimental jab and don't know what the long term effects are. I guess you think it is normal for two FDA high-ups to resign in the same day after the first Phizer vaccine was approved?!?! But, but my doctor of medicine told me how to think...
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Vaccines don't have long term effects. This is the part
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where the idiot that drinks horse paste misinterprets science.
Why am I not surprised you had covid? That's not a badge of honor, ya know.
I'm ashamed to have a degree from the same school as someone so blatantly ####### dumb. Get bent plague rat.
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This is what "normal Germans" behaved like in the early 30's***
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Re: Vaccines don't have long term effects. This is the part
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Well that escalated quickly... I guess I need to trade in my yellow star for the vax ID. Joe reminds me a lot of Rachel Maddow... I bet he is pulling his hair out and screaming at me in his pathogen-free bubble since I am a critical thinker. He has my name on a targeted shortlist for his silent Red Army.
I had the virus early in March of 2020 before the test were even readily available and had to go to the GHS ER to get tested. I guess, I am a lowlife sewer rat though because of it. This folks is called a stage three schizophrenic clinger. The next stage is Antifa.
Joe, it's also called Ivermectin. I know someone that had great success from it and he was probably your age.
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He likely wants people who don't get the vaccine to go
Sep 2, 2021, 12:14 PM
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to "quarantine facilities" with the rest of the, as he calls them, "plague rats."
Ask him his opinion on such concentration camps. In his state of mind he will think it's acceptable. He is DEEPLY programmed and, therefore, easily predicable.
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Exactly.***
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The "worst humanity has to offer" disagrees with what he's
Sep 2, 2021, 12:23 PM
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been told by corporate TV news.
"You people" Brought up Christianity too.
Dude is like an avatar and the CNN execs have the playstation controller.
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Haha...seek help.....or don't. Be free. You are in left field and don't know it.
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Anything specific to add? Or just baseless generalizations?
Sep 2, 2021, 12:29 PM
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Trying to give you a chance to break character.
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Re: I'm just simply exhausted from you people
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Joe,
We have a lot more in common than what separates us. You just have been manipulated and I suspect some of that graphene oxide and mRNA transformation is affecting your rationale. When I see you at a sporting event, that's if you get out of your house, during this crisis then I will buy you a drink. Maybe some tonic water with quinine.... I feel great and I still love my neighbors even when they think the sky is falling!
Do you mind if I add you to our prayer list at church?
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We can agree to be cordial to each other
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But don't waste your prayers.
Arguing sucks and it's exhausting. Do try to remember that some people have people they are trying to protect in this world. And when other people refuse to do simple things to help, it can be tiring and demoralizing.
I hope you have a good day.
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Fair enough but that's not the way this started out. In what alternative universe would you call a fellow alum and moreover humanbeing a sewer rat? Unless they were a militant, terrorist group of course. Many of my family members including my parents have taken the vaccine. I don't even take the flu vaccine and I have had the flu one time in 15 years. Am I anti-vax or pro-health with a holistic approach for health? Either way this is a personal and family decision that has served me well. I did take many vaccines when I was in the military. I believe God puts everything that you need on this earth to overcome and prevent any obstacle through strengthening your natural immune system. It's your choice to understand and act on it through free will. I believe when the truths are told, you and others will find out just how powerful HCQ is.
Have a blessed day.
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Yeah, it was out of line. I'm sorry about that.
Sep 2, 2021, 1:24 PM
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But I'm just tired of it man. I'm so tired of this. We could have really shortened this thing if people actually did what was necessary. But here we are...still knee deep with people continuing to die, unnecessarily. I'm tired of my kids being at risk (Delta is a different animal than Alpha). I'm tired of my wife having to live like a hermit because she has a congenital heart defect.
But clearly I, and the scientific community at large, aren't going to change peoples' minds. So we will continue this perpetual hellscape.
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Ring of Honor [23484]
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Your approach is feeding it. Not those resisting.
Sep 2, 2021, 1:35 PM
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You go after the people who are deciding to make it this way. Not the people fighting against it.
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I'll bite.
Sep 2, 2021, 2:19 PM
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Ok so first let me say that I AM NOT CONVINCED COVID VACCINES ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE VARIANTS. Ok? If you get that we can move on....
It is a thing that happens with vaccines in general.... sometimes.... and it's possible now and in the future. If you are genuinely curious.... this is a backgrounder on the very real possibility and the macro trend that was happening before COVID.
(THIS IS NOT AN ARTICLE ABOUT COVID, ITS ABOUT THE SCIENCE OF VACCINES POSSIBLY PUSHING VARIANTS)
https://www.quantamagazine.org/how-vaccines-can-drive-pathogens-to-evolve-20180510/
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Re: I'll bite.
Sep 2, 2021, 3:15 PM
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Ring of Honor [23484]
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You are way too overconfident. You do not know if
Sep 2, 2021, 4:36 PM
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variants have been contributed to by these vaccines. We may have a reasonable case for doubting that, but saying it's definitely not related, at this point, is more faith-based/religious than scientific.
Science is a process, not a groupthink tether.
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Paw Master [17095]
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Must be the programming...Maybe it's the graphene dosing
Sep 2, 2021, 4:42 PM
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that even YOU are not even certain exists
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Ring of Honor [23484]
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I know I triggered you, but following me around like a
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scorned former girlfriend is extremely creepy. Have some pride man.
You had your chance to prove you were better than worthless in this thread and you declined. I may interest you and motivate you to try and talk to me, but the interest is not mutual. Now get your creepy response out of your system and find something else to waste your time with.
Thanks.
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Paw Master [17095]
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How, exactly, am I following you around guy? I have been in
Sep 2, 2021, 4:53 PM
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the exact same thread this ENTIRE exchange...Ask "the guys"
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Paw Master [17095]
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No, no that CAN'T be it...you've just been programmed is all
Sep 2, 2021, 4:57 PM
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Just ask him
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Ring of Honor [23484]
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The variants? Which ones? Are you just talking about Delta?
Sep 2, 2021, 5:03 PM
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There are like a dozen+ that are known about. The vaccine trials started in like April 2020 and mass vaccinations started in December 2020. I don't think Delta was caused by vaccines either.
Again.... I am NOT convinced either.... same as you... that the vaccine caused any variants.... but we absolutely do not know.
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Paw Warrior [4724]
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Re: Why? So the cases of the virus are more likely to go undetected…
Sep 2, 2021, 12:25 PM
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My wife works at the hospital in Anderson. Not sure what the most recent numbers are, but a few weeks ago of the total people in the hospital with covid, 63 percent of them were vaccinated.
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Ring of Honor [23484]
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Does that hospital report those numbers anywhere?
Sep 2, 2021, 12:28 PM
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I'm not doubting your integrity but those numbers would be anomalous. I would want evidence before I added that to my perspective.
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We agree here
Sep 2, 2021, 2:23 PM
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Re: We agree here
Sep 2, 2021, 2:34 PM
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Even with the changes in reporting, it's still showing that more than 1 of every 4 hospitalization is a fully vaccinated person. This will continue to even out as the vaccine protection quickly wanes. Israel showed us that already.
The dichotomy between the protection of vaccinated vs unvaccinated is massively inflated right now. This is being done to encourage more vaccinations.
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Re: We agree here
Sep 2, 2021, 2:58 PM
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Ring of Honor [23484]
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You can bury your head if you want.... but things get "done"
Sep 2, 2021, 4:34 PM
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The CDC routinely lies to us "for our own good." You think governments always tell the truth to you?
History has repeatedly and thoroughly proven that that's absurd.
Funny how populations are repeatedly immune to figuring it out until its over.
If you knew what was being "done," you would have known boosters and vaccine mandates and vaccine passports were inevitable.
Don't be so confident you "recognize reality." I think you haven't even started.
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If the testing is accurate (which is one of the many questionable things in the whole deal)
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Then a recent test is way more useful than a shot record.
If you test positive…then you quarantine yourself, get over the virus, and your natural immunity going forward is exponentially better than any “vaccine” will give you.
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Re: If the testing is accurate (which is one of the many questionable things in the whole deal)
Sep 2, 2021, 10:24 AM
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Maybe that is true, but so far natural immunity is not even remotely close. Maybe as a society one day it will be though. At the moment it is not though.
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Where is the information about natural immunity being “not even close”?
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I genuinely would like to review it. Thanks
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Re: EEEHHHHHHH wrong.
Sep 2, 2021, 1:41 PM
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The junk you come up with. It is impressive. I like you. You're way out there. Its fun.
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Ring of Honor [23484]
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Are you having a stroke? Things I come up with?
Sep 2, 2021, 1:44 PM
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Are you saying I did this study?
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1![]() Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced immunity: reinfections versus breakthrough infections Background Reports of waning vaccine-induced immunity against COVID-19 have begun to surface. With that, the comparable long-term protection conferred by previous infection with SARS-CoV-2 remains unclear.
Methods We conducted a retrospective observational study comparing three groups: (1)SARS-CoV-2-naïve individuals who received a two-dose regimen of the BioNTech/Pfizer mRNA BNT162b2 vaccine, (2)previously infected individuals who have not been vaccinated, and (3)previously infected and single dose vaccinated individuals. Three multivariate logistic regression models were applied. In all models we evaluated four outcomes: SARS-CoV-2 infection, symptomatic disease, COVID-19-related hospitalization and death. The follow-up period of June 1 to August 14, 2021, when the Delta variant was dominant in Israel.
Results SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees had a 13.06-fold (95% CI, 8.08 to 21.11) increased risk for breakthrough infection with the Delta variant compared to those previously infected, when the first event (infection or vaccination) occurred during January and February of 2021. The increased risk was significant ( P <0.001) for symptomatic disease as well. When allowing the infection to occur at any time before vaccination (from March 2020 to February 2021), evidence of waning natural immunity was demonstrated, though SARS-CoV-2 naïve vaccinees had a 5.96-fold (95% CI, 4.85 to 7.33) increased risk for breakthrough infection and a 7.13-fold (95% CI, 5.51 to 9.21) increased risk for symptomatic disease. SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees were also at a greater risk for COVID-19-related-hospitalizations compared to those that were previously infected.
Conclusions This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant.
### Competing Interest Statement
The authors have declared no competing interest.
### Funding Statement
There was no external funding for the project.
### Author Declarations
I confirm all relevant ethical guidelines have been followed, and any necessary IRB and/or ethics committee approvals have been obtained.
Yes
The details of the IRB/oversight body that provided approval or exemption for the research described are given below:
This study was approved by the MHS (Maccabi Healthcare Services) Institutional Review Board (IRB). Due to the retrospective design of the study, informed consent was waived by the IRB, and all identifying details of the participants were removed before computational analysis.
All necessary patient/participant consent has been obtained and the appropriate institutional forms have been archived.
Yes
I understand that all clinical trials and any other prospective interventional studies must be registered with an ICMJE-approved registry, such as ClinicalTrials.gov. I confirm that any such study reported in the manuscript has been registered and the trial registration ID is provided (note: if posting a prospective study registered retrospectively, please provide a statement in the trial ID field explaining why the study was not registered in advance).
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I have followed all appropriate research reporting guidelines and uploaded the relevant EQUATOR Network research reporting checklist(s) and other pertinent material as supplementary files, if applicable.
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According to the Israel Ministry of Health regulations, individual-level data cannot be shared openly. Specific requests for remote access to de-identified community-level data should be directed to KSM, Maccabi Healthcare Services Research and Innovation Center.
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Re: Are you having a stroke? Things I come up with?
Sep 2, 2021, 5:04 PM
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Yes, that is why close to 90% of the people in ICU units are unvaccinated. Thats really all that matters. You're a wing nut. Your mind is getting to you. Thats cool though. There are a lot of nutty people out there these days.
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Ring of Honor [23484]
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You should keep up. It's down to less than 75% in SC now.
Sep 2, 2021, 5:13 PM
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First it was 99%, then 90, now a healthy majority. Stay tuned. The more data you get the more you know.
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Clemson Conqueror [12006]
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so...one issue with this pre print is that they don't take
Sep 2, 2021, 1:48 PM
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into account the people that died from getting COVID and didn't get a chance to be re-infected.
It does show that the vaccine's effectiveness does seem to have a limited shelf life, as suspected.
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Clemson Conqueror [12006]
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also, everyone in this study lived...so seems like a win -
Sep 2, 2021, 1:49 PM
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win. It's arguably better to get a shot than risk the long terms consequences of the disease, IMO. Especially for the at risk crowd.
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Ring of Honor [23484]
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I agree it's better to get the shot if you are at elevated
Sep 2, 2021, 1:57 PM
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risk AND you don't have a previous infection.
But until safety trials are over I wouldn't suggest anyone at less than .05% risk would be a part of such an experiment with such a massive conflict of interest.
But I respect everyone's right to make whatever decision they think is best for themselves regardless of my opinion.
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Re: Why? So the cases of the virus are more likely to go undetected…
Sep 2, 2021, 10:19 AM
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My understanding with being vaccinated was/is, if you have been vaccinate, and you contract the covid virus, your chances of surviving the infecting was around 95% depending on what vaccine you had been given. But, if you had any vaccine, and you were infected with the covid virus, the vaccinated person was less likely to pass the virus to someone else.
The link below explains the risk of a vaccinated person much better than I can. And it seems to pretty much explains the risk of contacting the virus, and the risk of passing the virus to an unvaccinated person...
https://www.osfhealthcare.org/blog/fully-vaccinated-less-likely-to-pass-covid-19-to-others/
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Re: Tyler Davis was vaccinated.
Sep 2, 2021, 9:39 AM
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It's stupid to test anyone unless they are symptomatic. Why are student or professional athletes any different than the civilian sector at work, home, etc? Just put a little extra zinc, C, and D into their daily vitamin and supplement bar.
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Sep 2, 2021, 1:56 PM
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Please understand there is a difference in dosage for Ivermectin, etc. prescribed to a human and to an animal many times the size of a human.
It's right up there with people who used to take "reds" - horse tranquilizers. That dosage is not intended for the human body. People should absolutely NOT take Ivermectin intended for cows.
At the same time, there are medicines and treatments that can be used across a plethora of physiologies by adjusting the dosage. There are many doctors who think that these other treatments are very effective and encourage them.
If we keep telling people to trust their medical professional but we disagree with their medical professional because they don't agree with another medical professional...
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Re: Tyler Davis was vaccinated.
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You do realize that Ivermectin recieved the Nobel Prize in 2015 for use in HUMANS don't you??
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Re: Tyler Davis was vaccinated.
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Seriously, all I've done is take my vitamins, wash my hands and brush my teeth....stuff I'd be doing anyway. They keep wasting test on vaccinated and asyptomatic for no reason, I'll never understand it....just stupid. But the ones that got their head buried in the news and eat up with it from head to toe are just going to go against everything. They could say jumping off a cliff will cure Covid and they'll do it. You look at the percentages each day and the death rate is always around .5%, no dif than the flu and many others. But the drama queens love to have something to freak out about. If we'd all just hurry up and die they might actually be right about something.
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Re: Tyler Davis was vaccinated.
Sep 2, 2021, 10:02 AM
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Maybe the administrations at Clemson and Duke are smarter than those at the other schools.
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Paw Warrior [4876]
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Re: Tyler Davis was vaccinated.
Sep 2, 2021, 3:09 PM
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That's what I'm saying, if they're vaccinated....just why? It defeats the whole purpose of screaming "get vaccinated", this #### is getting so aggravating its absurd. No matter what they tell you do, they just keep coming up with something else even tho you do exactly what they say. Just non-stop craziness, like a #### broken record
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87% of hospitalizations are unvaccinated is a fact at MUSC
Sep 2, 2021, 5:24 PM
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I am a retired clinical pathologist and volunteer at the VA hosp. here in Charleston. VA hospitals have the best record against covid as masks and vaccinations are mandated, and Veterans have to take orders to get treatment.
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Re: 87% of hospitalizations are unvaccinated is a fact at MUSC
Sep 2, 2021, 5:33 PM
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The page is not found. You're sending fake news again.
MY BODY, MY CHOICE!
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