To all the

Leviticus 18:22 ESV / 330 helpful votes

You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

Levitical law does not apply to modern Christianity at all, so this is irrelevant

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 ESV / 307 helpful votes

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

This is a mistranslation of the Greek words used, and the ESV/NIV/NSRV take leeway in the wording, I've already made a post about this one: http://www.tigernet.com/forums/message.jspa?messageID=15036847

Romans 1:26-28 ESV / 264 helpful votes

For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.

This is the only verse that is close to condemning it, but read this: http://www.wouldjesusdiscriminate.org/biblical_evidence/romans_1_21.html

Romans 13:8-10 ESV / 207 helpful votes

Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

This has nothing to do with homosexuality, but I find the irony of those judging homosexuals and somehow this passage tagged in.

Isaiah 56:3-5 ESV / 194 helpful votes

Let not the foreigner who has joined himself to the Lord say, “The Lord will surely separate me from his people”; and let not the eunuch say, “Behold, I am a dry tree.” For thus says the Lord: “To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths, who choose the things that please me and hold fast my covenant, I will give in my house and within my walls a monument and a name better than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name that shall not be cut off.

Nothing to do with homosexuality.

Matthew 19:11-12 ESV / 182 helpful votes

But he said to them, “Not everyone can receive this saying, but only those to whom it is given. For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let the one who is able to receive this receive it.”

Nothing to do with homosexuality.

1 Timothy 1:10 ESV / 147 helpful votes

The sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine,

See the response to the 1 Cor. post, it is a mistranslation of the Greek word used.

Leviticus 20:13 ESV / 133 helpful votes

If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

Again, Levitical law is irrelevant.

Mark 10:6-9 ESV / 96 helpful votes

But from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’ ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”

I'm wasting my time with these, but this addresses Mark: http://www.gaychristian101.com/is-gay-marriage-scriptural.html

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Feb 10, 2014, 6:36 PM [ in reply to The Episcopal Church is accepting of gays ]

But TEC is probably the best example of a mainline protestant denomination declining so quickly that, if trends continue, it basically won't exist in a few years. Where it's growing (and where Christianity continues to grow the quickest) is in Africa, where they're much more conservative theologically.

http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Home-Page-News-and-Views/Why-is-the-Episcopal-church-near-collapse.aspx?p=1

The kind of theology practiced by Bishop Jefferts Schori, who I think is still the presiding bishop of TEC, is probably another reason why TEC continues to decline. Here's a paraphrase (by Fr. Robert Barron) of what she had to say when she went to Curacao recently:

the Bishop moved, instead, in an astonishing direction, finding an example of the lamentable exclusivity she is talking about in the behavior of the Apostle Paul himself. In the 16th chapter of the Acts of the Apostles, we find the story of Paul’s first visit to the Greek town of Philippi. We are told that one day, while on his way to prayer, Paul was accosted by a slave girl “who had a spirit of divination and brought her owners a great deal of money by fortune-telling” (Acts. 16:16). This demon-possessed child followed Paul and his companions up and down for several days, shouting, “These men are slaves of the Most High God, who proclaim to you a way of salvation.” Having finally had enough of her, Paul turned to the young woman and addressed the wicked spirit within her, “I order you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her” (Acts. 16:18). And the demon, we are told, came out of her instantly.

Up until last month in Curaçao, the entire Christian interpretive tradition read that passage as an account of deliverance, as the story of the liberation of a young woman who had been enslaved both to dark spiritual powers and to the nefarious human beings who had exploited her.

But Bishop Jefferts Schori reads it as a tale of patriarchal oppression and intolerance. She preaches, “But Paul is annoyed, perhaps, for being put in his place, and he responds by depriving her of her gift of spiritual awareness. Paul can’t abide something he won’t see as beautiful or holy, so he tries to destroy it.” The Bishop correctly points out that the girl was saying true things about Paul and his friends, but demons say true things all the time in the New Testament. Think of the dark spirits who consistently confess that Jesus is the Holy One of God. That a Christian bishop would characterize the demonic possession of a young girl as something “beautiful and holy” simply beggars belief.

But things get even more bizarre. We are told in Acts that the girl’s owners are furious that Paul has effectively robbed them of their principal source of income and that they therefore stir up controversy and get him thrown in prison. But on the Bishop’s reading, Paul is just getting what he deserved: “That’s pretty much where he put himself by his own refusal to recognize that she too shares in God’s nature, just as much as he does — maybe more so!” She seems to rejoice that a mid-first-century Philippian version of the liberal thought police had the good sense to imprison the patriarchal Paul for his deep intolerance of fallen spirits!

... That night in prison, we are told, Paul and Silas sang hymns of praise to God and preached the Gospel to their jailors. Jefferts Schori reads this, strangely, as Paul coming to his senses at last, remembering God, dropping the annoyance he felt toward the girl, and embracing the spirit of compassion. Wouldn’t it be a lot simpler and clearer to say that Paul, who had never “forgotten God,” quite consistently showed compassion both toward the possessed girl and the unevangelized jailor, delivering the former and preaching the Gospel to the latter?

What is at the root of this deeply wrong-headed homily is a conflation of early 21st century values of inclusion and toleration with the great Biblical value of love. To love is to will the good of the other as other. As such, love can involve — indeed, must involve — a deep intolerance toward wickedness and a clear willingness to exclude certain forms of life, behavior, and thought. When inclusivity and toleration emerge as the supreme goods — as they have in much of our society today — then love devolves into something vague, sentimental and finally dangerous.

How dangerous? Well, we might begin to see the devil himself as beautiful and holy.

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I DON'T EXCEPT IT EITHER!***

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Re: I DON'T EXCEPT IT EITHER!***

Actually, that ISNT the case...

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I take acception to this***

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Re: To all the " Sam " supporters

I WILL NEVER EXCEPT HIM

no thanks. you can march with him. i am not going to.

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Re: BS***

Re: BS***

you want to move to north korea?***

You also wanted to

I think that was an exception***

###, you're knocking it out of the park in this thread***

Re: You also wanted to

Of course you would think this is a political issue...***

This thread has something to do with thinking?***

Oh I get it now..

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Of course, now it all makes sense.

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One one hand, there is choosing to not support his style.

Re: One one hand, there is choosing to not support his style.

Re: One one hand, there is choosing to not support his style.

Please elaborate on the "fairy tale"

Well, taken literally...Genesis.***

All of it? If not which parts***

The literal 6 days of creation. The Hebrew word of yom was

Ok fair enough, so do you believe that Adam was the first

Personally, no, I don't. I believe the story of

Ok, so to you, where does the parable end and

Science?

Through Revelation***

Actually this part is dead on...

I always wanted that to be my super power... call up bears

Just a friendly warning

Okay, where in The Bible does it state homosexuality is sin?

Re: Okay, where in The Bible does it state homosexuality is sin?

Good work, you simply posted a google result that includes

Please enlighten me on the proper context.***

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Levitical Law doesn't apply? Moral Law always applies

I'm glad there are some intelligent people on this board....

Please enlighten me on the proper context.***

Well... that's false***

Its not worth arguing with people like yourself because

Agreed, but think ab the application of that last sentence

The same kind that did it for the slaves too.***

At what point did orthodox Christianity affirm slavery?

History repeats itself. The same moral issues we deal with

Re: I'm glad there are some intelligent people on this board....

Tattoos, shellfish, mixing crops, mixing cloth... oh and be

Re: Okay, where in The Bible does it state homosexuality is sin?

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Re: Okay, where in The Bible does it state homosexuality is sin?

No cam, the translation is straight from the Greek,

something like Godwin's Law applies here***

There is a MAJOR difference between people's desires and

Re: There is a MAJOR difference between people's desires and

Just like I don't have control over being 7 feet tall....

You pretty obviously misread what I wrote

That is the mainstream interpretation

Cam, you're just flat out wrong.***

Cam gets his info from his dad who probably went to some

Apologies....

I suppose you could argue that

No, the word "homosexual" doesn't exist in the

"majority interpretation"

Yep, but imagine...

Exactly

The shrinking part it just not true.***

Which denominations follow that way of thinking?

The Episcopal Church is accepting of gays

You mean there are churches outside the bible belt?!!!!***

You act like this is some sort of secret