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CU Guru [1103]
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To all recruits being spoon-fed the SEC BS..........
Feb 4, 2013, 12:10 PM
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The TRUTH is, the ACC has been producing just as many or more NFL players as anyone, and in fact the ACC has been producing the NFL's best players for over a decade.
NFL All-Pro Appearances by Conference, 2000-2011
1 …. ACC …. 121
2 …. SEC …. 110
3 …. BIG 10 …. 95
4 …. PAC 10 …. 83
5 …. BIG 12 …. 73
6 …. BIG EAST …. 60
Don't believe the hype.
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Orange Blooded [2705]
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You can hear a pin drop
Feb 4, 2013, 12:13 PM
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cause they have NO RESPONSE.
Don't worry, they'll just start chanting SEC repeatedly because grown up words fail them at this point.
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Paw Warrior [4775]
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Only because they are all used up after surving that
Feb 4, 2013, 12:16 PM
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SEC schedule and cupcake out of conference schedule...
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All-In [37023]
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Well, we all know that's because
Feb 4, 2013, 12:17 PM
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when a player moves to the NFL from the SEC he is so beaten up due to the "SEC competition" that he can't perform as well as he would if he had played in another conference!!
At least I am guessing that is what they would say, seems to be the excuse for nearly everything else
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Commissioner [908]
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hard to get motivated for non-sec opponents in the nfl***
Feb 4, 2013, 12:45 PM
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All-In [37023]
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^^^^This response
Feb 4, 2013, 12:51 PM
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made me el-OH-el!!!!
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National Champion [7903]
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Yeah...but even banged, up they still do well at the
Feb 4, 2013, 2:00 PM
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combines because of that awesome SEC speed
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [98550]
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I thought they outlawed meth.***
Feb 5, 2013, 5:11 PM
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Addict [441]
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I'd be interested to see it from 2005 on...
Feb 4, 2013, 12:18 PM
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Acc was still dominating around 2000, Sec didn't start getting really good til around 2005. Regardless, if you are good enough you can get to the NFL from any league or any school.
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CU Guru [1103]
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LOL
Feb 4, 2013, 12:22 PM
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"Sec didn't start getting really good til around 2005"
That's hilarious. Weak try. You can come out of the closet now, cockboy.
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CU Guru [1103]
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By the way............
Feb 4, 2013, 12:28 PM
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You're going to need another angle. Your first one is officially destroyed:
NFL All-Pro Appearances by Conference, 2005-2011
ACC 78
SEC 64
BIG 10 57
PAC 10 44
BIG 12 41
BIG EAST 24
You got anything else?
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All-In [37023]
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LOL
Feb 4, 2013, 12:31 PM
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the gap widened from 11 to 14!!!
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Orange Beast [6245]
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Man if I could give you 100 points...
Feb 4, 2013, 12:58 PM
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that had to sting like a MF.
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Addict [441]
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Not really...
Feb 4, 2013, 5:38 PM
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I got exactly what I asked for. I'm a little surprised honestly, but in no way did it "sting like a ####." I have no opinion/don't care how many are from each conference, just wondered what it would look like. I think it's cool that the ACC has the most players.
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Orange Beast [6245]
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If you think that I thought for a split second
Feb 5, 2013, 2:13 AM
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you would admit it if it did...you'd be more insane than I already think you are...
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Paw Warrior [4799]
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Orange Immortal [62100]
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but an SEC player was the Ravens MVP last night
Feb 4, 2013, 1:14 PM
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Chris Culliver
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Orange Beast [6245]
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here is a shot of him in action
Feb 4, 2013, 1:20 PM
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Hall of Famer [8576]
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Orange Blooded [4506]
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Clemson Sports Icon [58561]
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Crickets...***
Feb 4, 2013, 12:18 PM
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Addict [441]
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Awesome, thanks.
Feb 4, 2013, 12:33 PM
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Not so sure what got you so upset about my post. Acc was at its height around 2000. Now sec is at its height. These things go in cycles. Just wondered what it would look like with a different period. Don't take everything so personally.
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Clemson Icon [24892]
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Try 'em again coot***
Feb 4, 2013, 12:34 PM
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Addict [441]
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Nope, got exactly what I wanted.
Feb 4, 2013, 5:39 PM
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Thanks for calling me a coot though.
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Team Captain [459]
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This is excellent. Where did you find this info?***
Feb 4, 2013, 12:36 PM
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Freshman [2]
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Now tell them about the
Feb 4, 2013, 12:39 PM
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Difference in tv ratings between the two conferences.
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All-In [37023]
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tell em coot!!!
Feb 4, 2013, 12:43 PM
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SMH
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Commissioner [908]
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illegal money and drug use is where acc underperforms***
Feb 4, 2013, 12:47 PM
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [98550]
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Clemson Icon [24892]
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The SEC West will probably sue the sec east for non-support
Feb 4, 2013, 12:48 PM
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Check those Clemson-LSU Chick-Fil-a ratings vs USCheat-Michigan ratings.
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Scout Team [167]
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Re: Now tell them about the
Feb 4, 2013, 12:53 PM
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Blah Blah blah........the bottom line is that it must really suck to be in a fan base of a school who is enjoying their pinnacle, their rapture, their one big shot at the big time and still play second fiddle to their rival (a lowly acc rival at that). I liken it to a guy who has little d!ck syndrone. He knows deep down he's a fake and won't ever "measure" up. And all the the washed up coaches and all the thugs in the richland county detention center will change it. That's why no one on esecpn but louser will give them any credit.....
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Fan [91]
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Re: Now tell them about the
Feb 4, 2013, 1:59 PM
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Gee, if going 4-0 vs. your state rival since '09 results in feeling like you're second fiddle, imagine what it'll feel like at 5-0 . . . . . 6-0 . . . . 7-0. . . 8-0
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Clemson Icon [24892]
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We know about going 5-0 6-0 7-0
Feb 4, 2013, 2:02 PM
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you tell us what it was like on the other side.
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Playmaker [378]
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He can't he is too busy choking on his daily sec salami
Feb 4, 2013, 2:29 PM
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Sandwich
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Fan [70]
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Re: We know about going 5-0 6-0 7-0
Feb 4, 2013, 7:53 PM
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they were tough times... mostly because of the great depression, but I'm sure the football losses hurt too
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Playmaker [378]
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Try the 4 streaks of 4 in a row over the past 30 yrs...long
Feb 5, 2013, 8:27 AM
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After you great depression. Heck you just accomplished 2 in a row for the first time during the same period just 3 yrs back . The depression didn't hurt coots any more then than now, most still don't work
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [98550]
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You tell us 0-21.
Feb 4, 2013, 8:52 PM
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You know anguish like no Clemson fan has or will ever suffer.
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Orange Immortal [60034]
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Re: Now tell them about the
Feb 5, 2013, 9:06 PM
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Coots should tell what it feels like to be on a 7/0 skid with Clemson. They have been there. But history has absolutely no meaning to them below 09. Ouch!!!
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Clemson Icon [24892]
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Make sure and watch NSD on ESPN
Feb 4, 2013, 1:04 PM
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Clemson will be on your sec network, alas, USCheat will not.
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Orange Immortal [60034]
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Re: Make sure and watch NSD on ESPN
Feb 5, 2013, 9:42 PM
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WHAT, are you saying that esecpn is not giving supreme spurrier a chance to be on their NSD show. Say it ain't so!!!
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Orange Blooded [3573]
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Those primetime games of Miss State and Tenn are huge
Feb 4, 2013, 1:10 PM
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1 million people watching. 3 last names, 4 teeth.
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Orange Immortal [60034]
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Re: Now tell them about the
Feb 5, 2013, 9:34 PM
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Are you talking about Clemson/LSU being the most watched bowl game other than the NC game.
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Trainer [43]
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ACC produces SMART NFL players
Feb 4, 2013, 12:50 PM
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especially when compared to the SEC.
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Orange Immortal [60034]
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Re: ACC produces SMART NFL players
Feb 5, 2013, 9:31 PM
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While being on our board all day, I bet they have missed this tidbit...Clemson named one of Princeton Review’s “Best Value Colleges with supreme educational value.
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Freshman [2]
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Re: The SEC West will probably sue the sec east for non-support
Feb 4, 2013, 12:53 PM
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Was the only game on tv at the time
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Clemson Icon [24892]
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What week does Alabama let you wax their trophies ?
Feb 4, 2013, 12:55 PM
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With just the one conference title you folks have a lot of time to help the teams that win championships.
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Freshman [2]
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Re: Re: Now tell them about the
Feb 4, 2013, 12:54 PM
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So beating you like a rented mule 4 straight years now constitutes 2nd fiddle? I'll take it.
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Clemson Icon [24892]
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Twenty four more and you are relevant
Feb 4, 2013, 12:57 PM
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65-41-4
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All-In [37023]
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LOL, typical coot
Feb 4, 2013, 1:00 PM
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beating us is their only goal!!
I'll take coot logic for 1000 Alex!!!
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CU Guru [1505]
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Re: Re: Now tell them about the
Feb 4, 2013, 1:01 PM
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Biggest accomplishment in y'all's school history. It's an honor. And pathetic. And we're still more nationally relevant. CU will always be the bigger football school in SC.
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Orange Beast [6245]
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Game Day Hero [4309]
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Can I have a link to your source?
Feb 4, 2013, 12:56 PM
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I lost a bet a couple years ago about which conference sent the most players to NFL. I bet ACC because I thought that I had read it somewhere beforehand. After the bet, the only stat that I found showed the SEC with more.
I'd love to go collect on this bet.
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Orange Elite [5179]
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Re: I'd be interested to see it from 2005 on...
Feb 4, 2013, 12:59 PM
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I'd be interesting in seeing the breakdown of players drafted in 2007 and later.
You raise a good point about post 2005, but that ignores that a player could have been drafted in 98 from Miami and made the all pro team in 2009 and counts for the ACC.
I imagine the ACC would still do extremely well but would be curious to see the data after the SEC elevated its play.
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Orange Beast [6245]
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you guys never give up do you?
Feb 4, 2013, 1:01 PM
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it really is laughable.
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Playmaker [378]
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They are tough sobs from all the yrs of suffering***
Feb 5, 2013, 3:31 PM
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All-In [37023]
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Orange Blooded [4787]
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this is the 3rd time in this thread a coot has asked to
Feb 5, 2013, 7:18 AM
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change the start date of the op's graph to try and come out on top. this is akin to thinking that the clemson/usuc rivalry is only 4 years old.
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Playmaker [378]
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All-In [37023]
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Hey!!
Feb 4, 2013, 1:04 PM
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win your conference or something!!!
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Clemson Icon [24892]
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Are you serious ?
Feb 4, 2013, 1:06 PM
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That is just mean because you know USCheat will never win another conference football championship.
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Clemson Icon [24892]
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Keep barking little yellow dog
Feb 4, 2013, 1:05 PM
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Spike thanks you !
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CU Guru [1505]
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Re: So much more relevant
Feb 4, 2013, 1:19 PM
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It wasn't to watch y'all..that's for sure. If we played those opponents the ratings would be even better.
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Rookie [12]
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Re: To all recruits being spoon-fed the SEC BS..........
Feb 4, 2013, 1:04 PM
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How many championships has the ACC won again? Just wondering since winning is the goal in a football game.
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Clemson Icon [24892]
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How many titles have you added to the pool ?***
Feb 4, 2013, 1:07 PM
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CU Medallion [18986]
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The ACC has never won a championship. Neither has the SEC.
Feb 4, 2013, 1:16 PM
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Clemson, however, has won a natty, as has FSU, Miami, and Ga. Tech. Alabama, LSU, Florida and Auburn have all won nattys in the last ten years.
Games are played among teams, not conferences. So yes, that means USuC STILL hasn't won anything relevant, even though members of your conference have.
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Orange Beast [6245]
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You just pointed out what differs the sEC fans from everyone
Feb 4, 2013, 1:48 PM
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else. Your conference is the ONLY one in ANY sport who pulls for the other to win. That is incestual, perverse and sickening. But why should we expect anything more?
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Re: Tell us some more about whuppin Michigan, Diddy
Feb 4, 2013, 1:06 PM
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The Peach is new national championship!
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Orange Beast [6245]
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Beating michigan must have been exhilarating
Feb 4, 2013, 1:08 PM
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because they were such a good program! Tell me..where, again, did they finish in the Big 10? But hey..at least that miracle pulled it out for you.
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Clemson Icon [24892]
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Re: Make sure and watch NSD on ESPN
Feb 4, 2013, 1:08 PM
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I will. It be hilarious to see the disappointed faces when all your "locks" choose other schools.
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Clemson Icon [24892]
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Perhaps, someday soon your recruiting will get some
Feb 4, 2013, 1:11 PM
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attention from your own network. They cover the teams with real national aspirations. Not so much the folks that settle for 5th place rings.
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Orange Beast [6245]
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Bet it does make you proud though that pillars of society
Feb 4, 2013, 1:12 PM
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like the Lindsey brothers still come back to your games...
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Starter [390]
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Is there a breakdown by school?
Feb 4, 2013, 1:09 PM
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As in which ACC schools send the most players to the NFL?
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Re: Tell us some more about beating LSU***
Feb 4, 2013, 1:10 PM
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What do I care about beating LSU? We beat you. You need to lean on other teams now? Isn't that what you accuse us of all the time?
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Clemson Icon [24892]
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Glad you don't care about beating LSU
Feb 4, 2013, 1:12 PM
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Since you can't, it must help your blood pressure.
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CU Guru [1505]
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Re: Tell us some more about beating LSU***
Feb 4, 2013, 1:20 PM
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Is Clemson literally all y'all care about? That might be why your program is so pathetic man..
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Orange Blooded [2013]
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Re: To all recruits being spoon-fed the SEC BS..........
Feb 4, 2013, 1:18 PM
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Well this thread went downhill fast
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Heisman Winner [85449]
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Mostly because JerryBeeds is a ###### and can't
Feb 4, 2013, 1:18 PM
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Trainer [48]
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Re: The ACC has never won a championship. Neither has the SEC.
Feb 4, 2013, 1:20 PM
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The last 10 years?
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CU Guru [1505]
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Re: The ACC has never won a championship. Neither has the SEC.
Feb 4, 2013, 1:22 PM
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I've never seen the SEC play. What college is that? I need to get with the times.
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Athletic Dir [864]
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chirp...chirp***
Feb 4, 2013, 1:20 PM
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I think the real difference that an SEC can tell a recruit
Feb 4, 2013, 1:45 PM
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is that in the SEC- football is king
If a kid is impressed by that and wants to be apart of it- it's something to consider. If that doesn't matter to him, then it simply isn't an issue.
The ACC has that in basketball as basketball is king in the ACC. Playing at Duke, North Carolina, and now a Syracuse, etc- that is something to sell a recruit on if he's impressed by that. If he isn't - it won't matter.
For a kid going to an SEC school- playing football at Bama, Auburn, Florida, LSU, etc is something to sell the kid on.
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Head Coach [761]
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Re: I think the real difference that an SEC can tell a recruit
Feb 4, 2013, 1:50 PM
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Well thought-out response.
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Orange Blooded [2507]
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SEC is king? The SEC is not a school
Feb 4, 2013, 1:53 PM
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Kids need to commit to schools not conferences, which is what Dabo said earlier. Aside from UF, Bama and LSU the rest of the SEC can't claim dominance. If those three want to sell that they can play on a championship team then fine. but to suggest that they can play in a championship conference is stupid because a conference doesn't win a championship, a school does. i doubt Bama players were thinking "This is a great win for our conference" when they smashed ND.
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CU Guru [1245]
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Yes- the SEC is king in football right now
Feb 4, 2013, 1:56 PM
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and it's no secret to anyone for a long- long time.
It's why Dabo said "WE play an SEC schedule."
Basketball has been king in the ACC for a long time. Fans take basketball more seriously in the ACC.
Fans take football more seriously in the SEC.
That's not new news to anyone.
But if the kid doesn't really care about that- then it doesn't matter.
If I am recruiting a kid to Clemson to play basketball, you can bet your butt I'm selling him on playing for Clemson- but also that he's going to get to play at Duke, and North Carolina- and show what he has against those teams. It's a selling point.
Same goes for an SEC team in football.
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agreed...I can't imagine recruiting basketball kids to SC
Feb 4, 2013, 2:04 PM
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and GA....I have no idea what you would sell...that has to be an incredibly hard sell. Not meant ugly in any way....just a very hard sell.
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CU Guru [1245]
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It would be
Feb 4, 2013, 2:16 PM
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like recruiting a basketball player to Clemson - if Clemson wasn't in the ACC.
Clemson being in the ACC is a big sell to kids- especially North Carolina kids that are passed over by Duke and UNC.
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National Champion [7930]
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completely....it is....it's the next best thing
Feb 4, 2013, 2:22 PM
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if Clemson weren't in the ACC we wouldn't have had the success under Barnes or Purnell that we did. That drew in the kids. When you watch an ACC basketball game you just "feel" that you are watching a higher level game than an SEC game. It's the same the other way around whether people want to admit or not in football. There are some really bad teams in the SEC....but the difference is the majority of them are putting the $ into their programs to get better. The bottom feeders in the ACC simply don't care.
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Orange Blooded [3573]
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That only works if you are building to something
Feb 4, 2013, 2:36 PM
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or an elite player looking to showcase his talents. And if you are an elite player, Clemson gives you plenty of opportunities to show the world.
I doubt too many Kentucky recruits are excited about going to get the a$$es kicked in front of 90-100k at Florida, LSU, Alabama etc.
I doubt Larry Shayatt was able to get far using the "well at least you'll get to play at Cameron" during his days at Clemson.
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CU Guru [1245]
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Correct - but that same "elite" player you mentioned
Feb 4, 2013, 10:28 PM
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could go to Clemson - or he could go to Bama, or Florida, and play in front of 93,000 every week or more- and 4-5 times a year be one of the biggest football games of the year
and of course go on the road and play in multipe stadiums with 80,000 + fans in the stands too.
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Now wait just a minute.
Feb 4, 2013, 5:56 PM
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If, and I have no idea if true, but if the ACC puts as many or more players in the NBA and more players in the All-Star game, then what? That would mean the ACC puts about as many players in the NFL and NBA, and they put more top-notch guys in both leagues. Isn't that more important then calling yourselves "the king"? Just common sense should answer that question for you. I think the original point was that the SEC is not an easier pipeline to a pro contract. SEC coaches seem to push that type of propaganda, but it is simply not true.
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CU Guru [1245]
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No -
Feb 4, 2013, 10:30 PM
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"King" refers to the importance of the sport in the league.
Football is much more important to SEC schools than is football in the ACC overall. That's just the fact of the matter. Kids pick up on that. They see it in the stadium sizes, the passion of the fans.
If Florida State is playing Ga. Tech on a Saturday night in October, and LSU is playing Florida - fans on Tigernet are talking more about LSU and Florida than they are Florida State and Ga. Tech. That's what I mean.
It's that way with the ACC in basketball - but not in football.
That's why kids - in general- would rather play basketball for an ACC school than an SEC school.
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Oh okay so we can just make up whatever we want.
Feb 5, 2013, 6:55 PM
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Cool.
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You coots are something else
Feb 4, 2013, 2:02 PM
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Y'all are posting some of the most stupid responses I have seen in a while. It really is sad. I guess y'all believe everything E$PN says. Just admit that y'all didn't know the ACC put out so many NFL players. But I guess that would be asking too much from coots.
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Trainer [48]
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Re: You coots are something else
Feb 4, 2013, 2:19 PM
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Celebrating pro-bowls played in by Ed Reed, Lewis, Vilma, Rolle, Taylor, Wayne, Johnson, Portis when they didn't even play in the ACC is about like a gawga fan celebrating an Alabama win in the NCG. Both conferences put good players in the league.
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Varsity [100]
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Are you another gameock with low intelligence?
Feb 4, 2013, 5:39 PM
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It doesn't matter what conference Miami played in when the the original poster's data collection started. What matters is that Miami was and still is a school that puts tons of players in the league. Based on the data, the teams in the ACC have more top-notch players in the league than any other conference.
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CU Guru [1245]
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BTW- this poll is flawed (as most are)
Feb 4, 2013, 2:17 PM
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"So, All-Pros from Miami are coded as Big East until 2004 and ACC thereafter even if they never played in the ACC.)"
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Varsity [100]
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Your logic is incredibly flawed.
Feb 4, 2013, 5:34 PM
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I think the point being made is that the SEC is full of crap if they're putting themselves above others as a pipeline to the NFL.
Certainly Miami does it as well as anyone. What does it matter what conference they played in in 2000?
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CU Guru [1245]
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It matters a lot.***
Feb 4, 2013, 10:32 PM
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Head Coach [761]
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Re: It matters a lot.***
Feb 5, 2013, 8:31 AM
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I agree with you if we're talking conference affiliation.
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110%er [8681]
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this entire thread = win for the real tigers***
Feb 4, 2013, 2:46 PM
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Re: To all recruits being spoon-fed the SEC BS..........
Feb 4, 2013, 5:42 PM
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Some ###### coaching in the ACC because the results don't match the talent. ACC is 40-63 against the SEC over that same period.
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Clemson Icon [26669]
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It's a function of proximity/access that leads to more depth***
Feb 4, 2013, 5:46 PM
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Enthusiast [123]
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Re: It's a function of proximity/access that leads to more depth***
Feb 4, 2013, 5:59 PM
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You want to expand on that? Miami could practically fill their entire 85 man roster with talented athletes in their area. Clemson is recruiting well, UNC has recruited well in the past, and FSU always recruits well.
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Orange Blooded [2609]
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LOL Pro Bowl vs Super Bowl??? good grief
Feb 5, 2013, 10:59 AM
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so a majority of ACC players play in and win the super bowl and you try to compare a collection of players from across the league in a meaningless game??? that is getting pretty good right there...
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Fan [70]
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Re: LOL Pro Bowl vs Super Bowl??? good grief
Feb 5, 2013, 12:39 PM
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what's funny is that that press release was put out by the ACC
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Athletic Dir [864]
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Need to hang in the locker room for recruitment purposes.***
Feb 4, 2013, 6:01 PM
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Savant [460]
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Some of you don't get it
Feb 4, 2013, 8:48 PM
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Every conference will put guys in the pros...some more some less. A young kid coming along is very gullible and lets face it...negative recruiting will continue against our conference and if we take off our orange glasses you will see what the draw is for a kid to go to a conference like the SEC. Do you want to play Duke and Wake and NC State or do you want to play Alabama, A&M and others on a weekly basis? Look how excited our own fan base got when we drew LSU for our bowl game...it was more exciting and thats the draw back or at least one of the draw back to our conference. I don't think there is one among us who would rather see our tigers playing and sec schedule rather than playing the boston colleges of the world. Its more exciting for the fans and the players and these recruits see this. There is nothing we can do about the conference we are in so we just live with it but the negative recruiting against this conference has nothing to do with the potential of reaching the league...this I assure you.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [98550]
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Note to coots and coot posers:
Feb 4, 2013, 9:00 PM
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You morons are keeping this thread on the front page of Tigernet.com. It's one of the first things anyone finds when they web search for 'Clemson.'
But no, you idiots can't keep your dirt peckers still and let this thread die. LMFAO, you go girls!
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [98550]
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This thread stays on the front page, I said.***
Feb 5, 2013, 10:46 AM
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Starter [390]
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Very misleading information...
Feb 5, 2013, 12:06 PM
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Kids aren't looking at making the Pro Bowl, they're primarily looking at making the NFL.
To that end the NFL lists this when asking which conference sends the most players to the NFL.
Their statistics are for the period 1992-2011:
SEC: 576
Big 10: 396
PAC 12: 250
Big 12: 224
ACC: 186
Big East: 134
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [98550]
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So?
Feb 5, 2013, 12:14 PM
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As if the ESPiN/SEC lovefest isn't immoral.
...as long as the post stays on the front page.
Thanks for helping my efforts to that end.
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All-In [10774]
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Thanks for the warning - you did post some very misleading
Feb 5, 2013, 12:33 PM
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information. The ACC has more than 186 players on NFL rosters RIGHT NOW - much less over the last 20 years.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [98550]
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Re: Thanks for the warning - you did post some very misleading
Feb 5, 2013, 12:45 PM
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Pawned.
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Starter [390]
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Re: Thanks for the warning - you did post some very misleading
Feb 5, 2013, 4:35 PM
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If you're trying to be cool, it's pwned.
If you're making a cutting edge chess joke, you can ignore this post.
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CU Guru [1103]
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [98550]
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It doesn't matter to me if he's joking or a joke himself.
Feb 5, 2013, 1:29 PM
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Either way, I'm laughing.
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Starter [390]
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Data from the NFL with link...
Feb 5, 2013, 4:09 PM
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The numbers I posted are straight from the NFL's official website. They cover players drafted by school and by conference over the last twenty years. Being drafted and being on a current roster are not the same thing. If you need me to explain that in depth, just post that you don't understand and I'll see if I can help you.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d828a004e/article/which-college-football-program-produces-most-nfl-talent
Again, these are players drafted to the NFL by school and conference. This is a much more important number than Pro Bowlers as players are primarily interested in the first step to football as a living, which is getting drafted.
You may not like the conference numbers, but on the same page take note of where Clemson ranks nationally at number nineteen for players drafted by school.
However, since this thread originally intended to make comparisons to the SEC, I'll also point out that Clemson at number nineteen is still behind six SEC schools in that category, but second in the ACC behind Virginia Tech.
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Starter [390]
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Re: Data from the NFL with link...
Feb 5, 2013, 4:15 PM
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And before some coot tries to correct me, yes, Clemson is behind seven current SEC teams, but I didn't include Texas A&M as they were not a conference member for the full twenty years covered by these NFL.com numbers.
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All-In [10774]
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That's amazing. Only 3 ACC schools have had anyone drafted
Feb 5, 2013, 4:32 PM
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in the past 20 years!!
I think you need to look at that page a little more closely. If you need help - I'll explain it to you.
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Starter [390]
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RIF - Reading Is Fundamental
Feb 5, 2013, 4:43 PM
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"The SEC believes it has the best conference in college football. But does that translate to the most draft picks over the last 20 years. And what school has produced the most draft picks since 1992? We have those answers and so much more."
The other ACC schools didn't rank among the top 25 individual schools, however, their numbers are included in the conference numbers, where the ACC ranks fifth as a conference in getting players drafted and no ACC schools in the top ten, which surprised me.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [107625]
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L-C, the breakdown is by top 25 winningest programs of
Feb 5, 2013, 4:52 PM
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what appears to be all-time with ties excluded.
that page is titled: A Look at the Most Winningest Football Programs
did you give us the wrong link?
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [107625]
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the link you provided appears to include only the top 25
Feb 5, 2013, 4:36 PM
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winningest programs then those are broken out by conference.
florida state is not included which is a huge ommision over their 20 years in the acc.
just an fyi, maybe there is something i missed or wrong link?
i have other numbers, but that 186 you report is only from 3 acc schools and might be what's causing the confusion.
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All-In [10774]
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Don't stop him dsp, he's on a roll....***
Feb 5, 2013, 4:38 PM
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [107625]
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i offered a rope...
Feb 5, 2013, 4:40 PM
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hopefully he ties a bow around his apology with it?
i keed, i keed.
ya'll play nice. 
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Starter [390]
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Getting you folks to read is like untying a gordian knot...
Feb 5, 2013, 4:48 PM
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"Published: April 26, 2012 at 05:06 p.m.
Updated: Aug. 14, 2012 at 02:37 p.m.
Which college football program produces most NFL talent?
The SEC believes it has the best conference in college football. But does that translate to the most draft picks over the last 20 years. And what school has produced the most draft picks since 1992? We have those answers and so much more."
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d828a004e/article/which-college-football-program-produces-most-nfl-talent
If you think the NFL is incorrect in their numbers you can reach them here:
http://www.nfl.com/contact-us
Tell them you haven't actually looked at any real numbers, like they're reaearcher probably did, but you feel certain that the information they published for the public is wrong.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [98550]
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Thanks SEC pumper for helping us keep this thread going.
Feb 5, 2013, 5:02 PM
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Deepest and sincerest thanks to you.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [107625]
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lol. didn't you just tell me to be nice?***
Feb 5, 2013, 5:07 PM
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [98550]
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Re: lol. didn't you just tell me to be nice?***
Feb 5, 2013, 5:09 PM
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Yeah but I gave you the winky. Doesn't that mean ignore me?
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [107625]
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lol. it does now...
Feb 5, 2013, 5:12 PM
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Crickets!
Feb 5, 2013, 10:49 PM
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kneedeep, kneedeep.
Wait, wait, ho lon, that's a frog.
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Re: Data from the NFL with link...
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Here are the numbers form the last ten years. From the 2003 draft until the 2012 draft, there were 2552 total players drafted, the SEC made up 401 of those draft picks, for 15.7% of the total players drafted. From the 2003 draft until the 2012 draft, there were 2552 total players drafted, the ACC made up 323 of those draft picks, for 12.7% of the total players drafted.
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Orange Blooded [2124]
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Re: Data from the NFL with link...
Feb 5, 2013, 7:57 PM
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Meaning there have been 323 ACC players drafted in the last ten years alone a lot more than the 186 you have listed for the last 20 years
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [98550]
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WillPhil, you're still rolling.
Feb 5, 2013, 5:13 PM
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POTD on the front page and the coots, coot posers and SEC ###### put you there by keeping this thread alive.
Putzes
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Rival Killer [2776]
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SEC = $$$$, Scandal, and shadiness
Feb 5, 2013, 5:17 PM
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NO WAY Ole Miss and Auburn coming off totally horrible seasons, just "suddenly" become an attractive destination for these Elite recruits. Absolutely NO WAY!
Meanwhile, Dabo and company (so we faithfully believe) is doing things ethically and honestly and somehow getting blindsided in the last remaining days???
This is not "sour grapes" here folks. And No, I am not naive enough to think that we should get all of them, but dammm this getting rediculous!!
At least IF Adams ends up at GA, that would easier to reason, than Auburn??????
###?????
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [98550]
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It really causes one to wonder.
Feb 5, 2013, 5:20 PM
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If it walks like a duck and talks...not much to wonder about.
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Re: SEC = $$$$, Scandal, and shadiness
Feb 5, 2013, 9:56 PM
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Who's uncle was that made two trips to Aubum without the recruit. If no bag man performing his money tricks. Why would a wore out can't play uncle be visiting Aubum without his nephew.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [98550]
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Almost 5K hits. LOL cuck it coots.***
Feb 5, 2013, 5:49 PM
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