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TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
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We are going to keep on keeping on.
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The most disappointing thing he could have said. I hope I’m wrong but because of that stubbornness and arrogance, Clemson is in serious trouble.
You’ve earned a few more years of doing it your way Dabo.
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Re: We are going to keep on keeping on.
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From his perspective there will be noone in the portal better than Westco and Moore, hes probably right and will feel vindicated, but all that said its too late to add missing pieces.
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Re: We are going to keep on keeping on.
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Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.
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Re: We are going to keep on keeping on.
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Sep 7, 2023, 9:32 AM
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Dabo has never said a more disappointing statement in his entire tenure. He is pretending it's a narrative, that this is something we are making up to jab at him, it's not! We all want to win, and rules have changed! Don't be stubborn! Scrape the cream off the top in the portal and make your team better each year! For every transfer that moves out, he needs to bring one back in.
But he wants to he stubborn and he wants to blame the fans and reporters around the program and pretend it's our fault for wanting to see out team continue to be great.
He's losing his fanbase and it's happening a lot faster than I imagined it could happen.
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He's right about that
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Since we don't use the middle of the field we could have had WR Jerry Rice going down the middle and he wouldn't have caught a ball.
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Re: He's right about that
Sep 7, 2023, 6:03 AM
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You're wrong, Jerry Rice would catch the ball wherever it was thrown, just get it close to him and he got it!!!
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
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Sep 6, 2023, 8:47 PM
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it didn’t win it either
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So more scholarships for walk ons and friends
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Re: So more scholarships for walk ons and friends
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Sep 7, 2023, 9:29 AM
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False assertion.
When the roster had more scholarships than the permitted allotment, those walk-ones who had earned scholarships were going to have the 2023 season scholarship revoked to get our scholarship numbers to the allowable number.
Please keep in mind that our deep snappers, holders, sometimes punter, sometimes FG kicker, occasionally starting WR, ans occasionally key contributors at DB were originally walk-ons.
That is why we get so many walk-ones.
BTW, UGA’s two time CFP championship team QB Stetson Bennett was originally a walk-on.
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Re: So more scholarships for walk ons and friends
Sep 7, 2023, 11:59 AM
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Man reading your crap after losing to Duke is annoying. I know I don’t have to read it, but it’s like the car wreck, you can’t not look. Sooo stupid…
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
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Sep 6, 2023, 8:48 PM
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In one sentence he says they will take what they did offensively all year, then in next sentence when explain the defense he says we didn’t get help offensively. Makes no sense.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
Sep 6, 2023, 10:57 PM
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Talking out of both sides of your mouth is a sign of searching for an answer or deflection.
You’re right. Can’t be both. Maybe he’s just referring to the 4th quarter??
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
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Sep 7, 2023, 9:16 AM
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He's saying that the offense moved the ball well, and he was happy with that part. The offense failing to finish the drives with points, and thus the defense got no help on the scoreboard.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
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Hate to tell you Coach, but we would have still lost the game if we had scored on both goal line fumbles. You are right there are no gimmies in
football so supposing that those same offensive stats will beat FSU, Notre Dame, NC State, or even USC is more of the coach speak that is wearing us out. I assume the team may feel the same way. If a player says the worst thing about losing to Duke is getting in late morning there are more issues than getting the same Duke stats to win any football game this year. The young Dabo wouldn’t tolerate any of this.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
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Sep 6, 2023, 8:55 PM
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Actually you don't know and I don't know if we would've won had we'd scored those two times because momentum is impossible to predict. You cant assume scores after the fact. If we weren't behind it's possible Cade doesn't throw the pick that gave them their final score. Too many variables to say what would've happened, but in general scoring swings momentum your way...
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
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I do know one thing. We didn't win. And I really don't get all of the woulda, coulda, shoulda rhetoric when he really should just focus on learning from it and moving on. Why keep fanning the flames with the media? Why keep doubling and tripling down on your portal stance? Does he not get that all that does is make everyone want to come at him even harder?
When I wasn't retired, I had media relations training purposely to stay out of these traps and bunny holes. If he doesn't have someone like that, he certainly should get one, but perhaps he doesn't listen to them either way.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
Sep 7, 2023, 9:17 AM
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Every point that Dabo had made makes sense.
If we get 200 yards rushing + 200 yards receiving yards per game, don’t screw up red zone chances, and fix our FG kicking problems, then … with our defense … we beat everyone else on the schedule.
Without having busted up our culture by cutting some scholarship players in order to make room for portal players.
Think think think.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
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Sep 7, 2023, 9:47 AM
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Taking a few portal players does NOT bust up the culture. Losing games that are winnable, continuously fielding subpar teams on Saturdays, watching your quarterback jog to the sideline and blow off the head coach after running an offense that looks the exact same with pedestrian receivers and after the last QB transfered out and said coach didn't put him in position to win and his daddy is up on social media calling him out - that is our culture right now. That is the reality. We lost our winning culture a few years ago, that's where the funk is coming from. I haven't seen anything like the culture we had with the power rangers, or with Skalski, or with them chanting we too deep in years.
You want to fix the culture? Win. Get these pedestrians to 3rd and 4th string like they belong, bring in a stud or two, hire some new position coaches - sorry Grisham is not developing the talent -
I would love love LOVE Jeff Scott to return to our receiver room.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
Sep 7, 2023, 11:31 AM
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Fix the culture by winning … sounds so easy. It’s not. Long response to follow, so thanks in advance for bearing with me.
HS players coming to Clemson have the utmost confidence that our coaches will work to coach them up to become good enough to earn snaps. This, along with expectations at Clemson that the FB players will also be good citizens who do their schoolwork and strive to get their degree, is what creates a sincere family culture. The smart recruits understand this, even the HS players who know that they will be dominant players regardless of where they go. (B.Carter, P.Woods, and S.Brown attest to their belief that our ‘family culture’ philosophy isn’t just a shallow catch-phrase.)
We all need to face reality. Even if we don’t like that reality. Clemson simply doesn’t have the same favorable notoriety as a big time CFB program as the big time SEC & B1G programs, USC, TX, and Notre Dame. We are only at ~ par with schools like OR, OK, and aTm. Each one of these schools has larger monetary resources than us. Our NIL program is carefully budgeted instead of a profligate spending extravaganza. Nevertheless, our recruiting has kept us within the same ballpark as those far wealthier, big spending programs. How do we do this? The Clemson culture. Family (really, not just a cheap slogan). Committing to those players who commit to us.
If we start undercutting players who came to us in good faith by importing portal players to take their spot, then guess what the big NIL spenders will tell prospects when thet are competing with us on the recruiting trail? ‘Clemson uses the portal just like everyone else. Their family culture is no better than ours.’ We then face competing with other schools that will outbid us in the NIL world, and we will no longer have a ‘true family culture’ as a unique counter argument.
(*). Therefore, Clemson’s use of the portal must be extremely limited so as to not undercut developing prospects who are already on our team.
(*). Remember when we went after portal star Center Olesegun Olutawami (from UVA) after the 2021 season? We did this because there was no experienced upper class Center on our roster. Olutawmi chose MI over us (and presumably several other interested teams; he was first team All American at MI last season. We got lucky when Will Putnam volunteered to give up his starter job at RG to train at Center (where he had a fine season in 2022). Also, Oluwatimi was an outstanding student: His CFB started at Air Force Academy, then he transferred to academically reputable UVA, only to leave after Coach Mendenhall surprisingly resigned from UVA. Clemson’s culture includes limiting our recruiting to only high character kids.
Again, we do pursue portal players, but only on an extremely selective basis. Dabo will quit before he goes the Coach Prime Time route.
As for what jacka_ _es like Big Dave say about us … why does anyone let that get under our skin? We aren’t a bunch of 13 year old girls.
Mistakes: Our coaches make mistakes; so do our players. This happens on all teams. Are our coaches learning? Are our players learning? I think so, but we’ll see.
Sidebar on Klubnik’s premature Q4 slide: It is distinctly possible that CK2 had not been coached about the recent changed nuance about where the ball gets marked when the slide move begins. If all of our QBs were not specifically coached about when to start their slide, then this is entirely on our O-Coordinator and QB coach … G.Riley. If G.Riley did coach this, then the premature slide was entirely CK2’s fault. Riley and the QBs had a lot of big new stuff to accomplish during Spring and pre-season practices. If this premature slide on 4th down -or- our QB doesn’t keep track of the remaining TO’s in context with time remaining on the clock when deciding to run the ball (re end of Q2 during TN game), then our coaches have a problem at QB.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
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Sep 6, 2023, 9:31 PM
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If we would have scored on those goal line fumbles the entire dynamic of the game would’ve changed. Play calling on both sides would have been completely different as well as momentum. I’m sure you can understand that
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
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Sep 6, 2023, 8:50 PM
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Taking responsibilty for the results is key to improvement going forward.
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Dabo needs to lose the Waffle House Card he holds onto
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Sep 6, 2023, 8:52 PM
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during the game and start getting in some guy's faces.
I miss the Dabo that made the kicker run back on to the field and back for not hustling.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
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Sep 6, 2023, 8:54 PM
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We know Dabo. It was mostly your hand-picked staff of questionable quality coaches failing to motivate and prepare these kids to compete against a more experienced team. But yeah, keep commenting on the portal and giving more material to your detractors so they can drag down the Clemson brand even more.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
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Sep 6, 2023, 8:57 PM
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Amen! Take responsibility and accountability for what is going on and fix it. Bring your own guts!
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
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Sep 6, 2023, 9:01 PM
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Nevertheless….. A good portal player might have been able to score in these possessions that put the team in GREAT position to score!
I’ve always liked to see “Fridge” Perry type players score in possessions like that!
Remember that??
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
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Sep 6, 2023, 9:38 PM
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We know Dabo. It was mostly your hand-picked staff of questionable quality coaches failing to motivate and prepare these kids to compete against a more experienced team. But yeah, keep commenting on the portal and giving more material to your detractors so they can drag down the Clemson brand even more.
What coach doesn’t hand pick his staff ??? Name 1. Good grief
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
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Sep 6, 2023, 11:01 PM
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Missing the point. The rest of the sentence was key to the point.
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OK, not having a WR worth a crap did...either way...
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Sep 6, 2023, 8:56 PM
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it's on you Dabo!!
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Well we see the result after not using the portal
Sep 6, 2023, 8:59 PM
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Seriously doubling down after that loss. I’m sure there was no WR who could have helped us.
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Re: Well we see the result after not using the portal
Sep 7, 2023, 7:34 AM
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You’ll see several among others when FSU comes to town.
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Re: Well we see the result after not using the portal
Sep 7, 2023, 7:43 AM
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FSU has plenty of receivers, did Dabo even consider Coleman from Mich St? Saban & Smart don’t go transfer crazy, but they DO pick up key pieces to fill a slot or two.
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Re: Well we see the result after not using the portal
Sep 7, 2023, 8:25 AM
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That’s the key. Those coaches are willing to upgrade where needed without going to crazy with the portal. No one can convince me that having even 1 impactful WR ok the roster could have made a difference. Maybe hand out those walk on scholarships to upgrades through the portal and not handicap yourself.
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Re: Well we see the result after not using the portal
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Sep 7, 2023, 9:11 AM
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Alabama got spectacular portal WRs in John Metchie and Jameson Williams.
Guess which other programs wanted these guys? All of them.
Bama gets who they want via the portal. OH State, Georgia, USC get pretty much everyone they want via the portal … unless Alabama also wants the player(s) in question.
Sorry to rain on our fantasy parade, but Clemson doesn’t have the financial wherewithal to successfully acquire these type of players.
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Re: Well we see the result after not using the portal
Sep 7, 2023, 10:03 AM
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Well if there is no chance little old Clemson can compete in the new landscape of CFB, maybe someone should just say so and save us the disappointment. But I don’t buy what you’re saying. Clemson has a coach that was a walk-on, had nothing handed to him, and had to share a bed with his own mother while playing at Alabama. What’s going on now is BS in his mind because of his experiences. That’s why you don’t see him adapting.
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Re: Well we see the result after not using the portal
Sep 7, 2023, 11:46 AM
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Wrong premise.
Clemson does indeed have a real chance at winning another CFP championship. It has gotten harder to do because any team that is willing (and financially capable) to spend big on the NIL might get lucky and the genie comes out of THEIR lamp (like with LSU at the end of the 2019 season) instead of another program that also bet big on the NIL / Portal lottery.
However, our path to a championship has gotten steeper.
Newsflash: It has also gotten steeper for Alabama. Why? Because another LSU ‘genie’ will pop up from time to time. That variable partially offsets Alabama’s history of (primarily) building THEIR program around superior HS recruits. That will not render Alabama as some second class citizen. They will remain as consistently elite as long as they don’t get Coach Prime Time greedy and foresake their HS players for Portal players.
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Re: TOTALLY UNTRUE.....
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Sep 7, 2023, 11:50 AM
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I don’t know what to tell you.
Clemson does not have financial resources which are comparable to UGA, TX, Alabama, Florida, aTm, USC, OH State, MI, Penn State, Oregon, etc etc etc etc.
We have a solid financial foundation, but are not among the top tier of big money CFB programs.
In a bidding war, it is not the rich that gets the goods. It is the RICHEST that gets the goods.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
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He is correct, but a dinosaur will go extinct if they do not adapt to change...... just saying.
NIL $ and Transfer Portal are changing the landscape of college football so everyone has to adapt at some point. We are just slow to change.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
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Sep 6, 2023, 9:05 PM
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In football only ONE stat counts …. Points POINTS points!
Score the most and you will NEVER lose.
It’s in the book!
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
Sep 6, 2023, 9:29 PM
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I read that somewhere...
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Yeah, a legit WR couldn't help this team....
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Please tell me hes not really this out of touch with reality.
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Re: Yeah, a legit WR couldn't help this team....
Sep 6, 2023, 9:26 PM
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Ok, I wont tell you. Feel better? LOL
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
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Sep 6, 2023, 9:08 PM
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OMGoodness!!!
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
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Sep 6, 2023, 9:10 PM
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Turn out the lights, the party’s over. It’s been a good run. At some point you have to look at what you are doing and not defend it blindly.
If we get the same 200 200 game against Florida State on offense we will lose. At some point you have to make changes, maybe I formation from the 1 yard line? We scored one time on a gift from the Duke special teams. Defense did not play well. No pressure, no sacks, missed tackles. I am sorry but I refuse to agree with Dabo on this. At some point you have to accept what you are doing is not good enough and make changes. Some are tactical and some are strategic. Refusing to own up to any shortcomings will not pave the way to future success. If 8-4 is good enough, then let’s restructure the coaches contracts to reflect that. Best used to be the standard, now it is a poster on the wall.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
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“Living in the Past” ….
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
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If we don’t throw away our multiple red zone opportunities against FSU and if our FG kicker problems are fixed … and we also have 200 yards rushing + 200 yards receiving … then we beat FSU.
Our defensive secondary is very good … much better than LSU’s portal heavy secondary.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
Sep 7, 2023, 10:17 AM
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We saw different games. Regardless, that was DUKE.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
Sep 7, 2023, 11:52 AM
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Watch the game again on YouTube or wait until it gets aired again on the ACC Network.
Then, get back to me.
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I think he's right about the portal not causing this loss
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but it freaks me out that he isn't calling out the defense for looking conspicuously inferior (with fundamentals too) to what we have had for the last 10 years.
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So better WRs don't win that game??
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if you don't think so then we can agree to disagree
I agree with you on your defense comment though.............same could be said about the WRs we had for 10 years 2011-2019/20
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Re: So better WRs don't win that game??
Sep 7, 2023, 9:02 AM
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Better deep threat WRs do not win the Duke game for us.
We do not have the QB who has the arm strength to accurately throw the ball more than 50 yards downfield.
We win the game if we don’t soil ourselves on all three second half red zone opportunities. No deep threat portal WRs would have fixed that problem.
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I think our WR coaching is producing results worse than the
Sep 7, 2023, 11:36 AM
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talent allows. Less talented WR's should have won that game.
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Re: I think our WR coaching is producing results worse than the
Sep 7, 2023, 11:56 AM
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We’ve had high profile WR recruits that simply have not lived up to their advance billing. I won’t mention any players currently on our roster, but former players are fair game.
Ngata. OK receiver, but nothing special.
EJ Williams. Ditto.
These misses are on the overall coaching staff, not just on T.Grisham.
Does T.Grisham get all of the credit for Antonio Williams? Of course not.
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I'm thinking hiring a bunch of inexperienced coaches is
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showing up with players regressing.
Mickey Conn, Tyler Grisham, CJ Spiller.... these hires were charity. Nothing against these individuals. But Clemson can easily hire more experience.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
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I think we know where this is going... downhill fast.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
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Transfer portal could have gotten us some tall, elite receivers who could get separation downfield and scored tds.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
Sep 7, 2023, 8:57 AM
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Which players should we have cut a la Coach Prime Time’s method to sign these portal stud WRs?
Regardless of who got cut from our current roster, what do you think becomes of Clemson’s fabulously successful FB culture of committing ourselves to the development of the players on our roster?
There is more to reaching our destination from focusing only on the traffic light directly in front of the car.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
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Are we cycling out? Asking for the coots.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
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Much respect Dabo, prayerfully you’re right. We should give you that much grace because you some things at Clemson that no one has ever done.
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Pisss running down my leg and being told it's raining
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is a lot more palatable when we're not getting blown out by Duke.
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Re: Pisss running down my leg and being told it's raining
Sep 7, 2023, 8:52 AM
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Rewatch the game. The final score does not reflect the fact that the game was razor close midway through Q4. Our third red one failure of the second half (Mafah’s helmet-on-ball fumble + long fumble return to give Duke prime field position for scoring) was the mortal wound. Duke’s next TD to bring them to 21 points occurred midway through 4th Quarter.
That is not getting blown out.
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Re: Pisss running down my leg and being told it's raining
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You live in a different reality than the rest of us. Wow man
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Re: Pisss running down my leg and being told it's raining
Sep 7, 2023, 11:57 AM
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Again, rewatch the game.
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Re: Pisss running down my leg and being told it's raining
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It was Duke... Even with the mistakes, we shouldn't have looked as bad as we looked.
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HAD ZERO BUSINESS LOSING THAT GAME...PERIOD.....
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Duke is a nice team...thats about it. An elite team beats them by 5 TDs. Woul a, coulda shoulda does should not apply here b/c it should've never been that close....in ANY reality
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
Sep 6, 2023, 9:40 PM
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You can't put lipstick on a pig but its still a pig
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
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I know not everyone here is happy about the portal. What do you think would’ve happened if we had added: a true WR1 (Keon Coleman), an experienced LT, a kicker, and a couple proven guys on defense? You don’t have to pull a Deion, but when we’re fielding freshman while others are fielding experienced transfers, Clemson ends up on the wrong side INCREASINGLY OFTEN
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
Sep 7, 2023, 8:45 AM
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BTW, both of our co-starters at LT (Leigh and Sadler) played very well.
Do you believe that we’d be getting both … not just one, but both … super stud WR prospects to commit if we had added Keon Coleman? Also, how does anyone know that we didn’t pursue this guy? FSU is among dozens of programs that has opted for the portal philosophy over the HS player development philosophy for building their program. Wanna bet whether FSU becomes a consistently better program than us?
Hint: LSU has made their living on importing transfer / portal players since 2019. They struck paydirt in 2019 season and won CFP. (I still think that Tee Higgin’s Q4 TD was robbed from us; that was NOT offensive pass interference.j. Back to LSU. They went back to the wilderness, peeking their heads out the past two seasons, but hardly as good as Clemson in any of our not spectacular previous 2 seasons.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
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Well, the portal helped an 1-11 Colorado team this past Saturday…The portal helped FSU beat LSU. I like Dabo I do he needs to learn and understand how the portal will help better the team. Keep up with the times everyone’s doing it
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
Sep 6, 2023, 10:20 PM
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Quiz
what politician does Dabo remind you of?
Hint
love them both, but sticks foot in mouth a lot
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
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Never thought I'd see the day that Dabo accepted a loss with excuses like other coaches. Can't believe he actually alluded to and said we played good on defense and had the right scheme. It was pathetic from the start.
I would have been ecstatic had we eeked out a 30-28 win but I dang sure wouldn't have praised our effort and physicality. You got one of your best players on defense contradict what you said.
True, I've been way more butthurt and out-spoken than I should be but we're talking Dook. The old Dabo would have been chewing tail and spitting nails and admit everything, including the portal is on the table. He reminded me of Brian Kelly.
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I mean, whats he supposed to say?
Sep 6, 2023, 10:35 PM
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He has who he has on the team and that’s not gonna change this season. He can’t put it out there that we’re at a personnel deficit and give his team an excuse to lose games. However, if we lose to FSU transfers will be the reason.
Now in the off-season I hope we see a change and a sincere effort to augment the talent through the portal.
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Re: I mean, whats he supposed to say?
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I will tell you what he did say. Last year he said he understood all of the problems and HE would get them fixed. Well, they ain't fixed and it feels like the list is just getting longer.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
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The face of college football changed after Covid. The transfer portal and NIL produced a new landscape. Dabo made it very clear he wanted nothing to do with either one. I respect his religious and family beliefs. If you can’t recruit the players you need and refuse to use the transfer portal then why keep coaching and drag a program in the ground over personal beliefs. It was never a good decision to promote Brandon Streeter to offensive coordinator. Glad that was fixed. It was never a good decision to promote Wes Goodwin to defensive coordinator. Clemson has a lot of talent on defense, however they look out of position often and lack game knowledge. The offense lacks talented receivers. Mike Tyson said it best. Everyone has a plan till they get punched in the face. 28-7 was a punch to the face. When punched in the face your mind registers two things. Are you getting in or are you getting out. Dabo either get in on the new face of college football or get out!!!
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We should Fire Dabo & then hire some of great Tigernet ones
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They watched how it was done and now understand how it should look to be a champion.
My money is on the Tigernet coaches, I know they would work for less money, recruit better and be portal & transfer geniuses!
Please don’t let the coots in on all y'all's secrets!
Press conference tomorrow at 9am to announce the firing and hiring money saving moves!
Alabama might hire Dabo as a position coach or a offensive analyst.
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DIDNT HELP WIN IT EITHER
Sep 6, 2023, 10:54 PM
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Did it Dabo?
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Dabo said what he had to say about transfer portal
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He’s not going to say he regrets not using the portal
He’s not going to announce he is going to start using the portal
He very well may start using it for next season. But he won’t tell us that. We will find out when our first non-graduate school transfer announces on X he is headed to Clemson and not before that time.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
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I hope Dabo's stubbornness to prove he is right doesn't tear down everything he has built at Clemson.
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Norvell says transfer portal helped win the LSU game for Florida State
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Him and just about every other coach that understands you have to adapt.
Saban hates it too. But he uses it. Either you use it and level the field with your competition or you let other programs gain an advantage over you.
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Hes just trolling at this point
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We can hope, behind closed doors, that Dabo is doing something to address the situation. But this BS publicly is wearing thin.
Newsflash: LSU had a better offensive performance than us and still lost BADLY to FSU.
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Re: Hes just trolling at this point
Sep 7, 2023, 12:01 AM
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That’s a good point
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Re: TNET: Hilarious to see so many who know so much......
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LMAO... you don't know squat. Dabo is who he is....take it or leave it.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
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We lost this game for many football, on the field, reasons and I don't need to list them and to go back to the Jerry Rice note above, yes, even if he was there he would not have helped the two FG blocks, the fumbles, INT, failure to look before you slide, etc. So yes, Dabo, we DID NOT lose this game because of not using the portal - our roster still is WAY better than Duke. We lost it because we didn't play or coach well. HOWEVER, Dabo is missing the point by trying to pull a bait and switch in turning the portal talk to THIS game.
The portal talk is not about one game - its about filling gaps in our roster to stay competitive and as of now (it can change..) we have not done that. We were good enough to beat Duke in 20 or 21 packages even though we did not have any receivers who could get open but will that be the case against FSU and ND and perhaps others? What if we do end up against UGA, Bamma or THE Ohio State. Do you really think we can jsut line up and run over them with no threat in the passing game.
The portal is about a patch and postion upgrade for a year or two - ask FSU if it helps? Yes, I'm sure no one on that team will speak to the intruder portal guys who scored, what FOUR TD's against LSU. How dare they enter our locker room that only 3 seasons ago would not even take the field against us.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
Sep 7, 2023, 12:53 AM
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We have a one way portal, perhaps the only one among big time programs. Every sport changes, and coaches must change or they are left behind. Coach Swinney does not display the flexibility to keep up or catch up.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
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I hate that it’s going to come to this, but FSU humiliating us- at home- might just be the straw that breaks the camel’s back. FSU is our primary ACC rival and they have great transfers all over the place. When they beat us for the first time since 2014, what’s Dabo going to say then? Their ascent, and the makeup of their team, stands in stark contrast to what’s happening to Clemson football right now.
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Its the same as when youre wife, who has gained 25 pounds, asks you if she looks fat
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You can’t tell the truth, or you’ll be sleeping on the couch. Dabo can’t tell the truth. He can’t say “yeah we had a lot of wide receiver recruiting bust and quite frankly a couple of my coaches Don’t know what they’re doing.” That’s the truth. But he simply can’t say it. Expecting him to say something like that is not realistic. He’s going to spin it and try to be positive. Dabo knows what’s going on,…he knows we’re in trouble, and it’s his fault
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Re: Its the same as when youre wife, who has gained 25 pounds, asks you if she looks fat
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I know one thing,if I were the Qb or any other position player on a team,and the coach pulled in some player to start ahead of me after years of hard work,I would be GONE! Recrute the players you need to win in the long run. Go tell your wife,honey you just aren't getting it done. I am going to the portal to replace you. Good luck with that. As always,Go tigers. Do it the right way. Winning does NOT replace integrity.
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Re: Its the same as when youre wife, who has gained 25 pounds, asks you if she looks fat
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We are losing players to transfer regardless. It can't be a one way door being replaced by family and friends
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
Sep 7, 2023, 8:33 AM
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Just reading this makes me wonder how long Dabo wants to keep coaching. He is seemingly disgusted by what his profession has turned into. I don’t like it either, it’s not what it’s supposed to be. Will he bite the bullet and go along with things that against his beliefs? Or will he walk away at a young age professionally speaking. It’s crazy Dabo is only 52 or so and he’s been here 15 years. He has a LOT years ahead of him. The portal and NIL have stopped him dead in his track. I wouldn’t be shocked if he walked away in disgust. I can see in his mind where he had this thing whipped and it’s almost like the new rules were created to destroy his way of running a program.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
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To all of you who insist that extensive use of the portal is the path for Clemson instead of the Clemson culture, please understand that these two approaches are antithetical.
Do the portal extensively, then Clemson’s culture of developing players is destroyed, and along with it goes our advantage of recruiting those rare high quality HS players who value the long term benefit of the extensive college experience over the short term promise of big NIL payout.
To all of you who believe that we were ‘soft’ and physically dominated in our loss to Duke on Monday night, three words.
Rewatch. The. Game.
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Nobody said use the portal extensively
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You use to portal to fill gaps, not extensively like Deion who needed to revamp an entire program. We have a gaping holes at WR, so big that a slot guy has become our best WR. Dabo knew we needed playmakers at WR and the portal was full of talented WRs, but instead of using the portal he stuck to his stubborn ways. You evolve or you get left behind, can you guess which one we’re doing?
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
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Dude, it's Duke!!! I shudder to think what a game against UGA, BAMA, etc. would have looked like.
Bottom line is our recruiting has dropped off the last few years. We need some better players...It doesn't really matter if they are recruits or a few ringers bought thru the portal.
Also, it is obvious that we need to upgrade the coaching staff, as painful as that may be on a personal level.
Other than that, we're good to go.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
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Sep 7, 2023, 8:36 AM
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I love all these arm chair QBs who seem to think they can coach better! You guys crack me up!
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
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Sep 7, 2023, 8:37 AM
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Ok, but didn’t Clemson have killer stats in the Tennessee game but loose?
Seems to be moving towards a trend. Killer stats on paper but the scoreboard says something completely different because they #### the bed in the red zone . This is the second game in a row this has happened.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
Sep 7, 2023, 9:18 AM
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I'm just here for the comments....
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
Sep 7, 2023, 12:52 PM
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What do want to bet Clemson uses the dickens out of the portal next year? Say one thing while the truth registers. He had all sorts of confidence in Streeter also. He wasn't the reason for poor offensive performance...he said until he fired him.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
Sep 7, 2023, 12:55 PM
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
Sep 7, 2023, 2:28 PM
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I love our coach and am I proud of what our Tigers have accomplished. However, I do wish he would temper his comments a bit. As anti-portal as Dabo is, I think it is very likely that at some point in time his stance may change and then the strong words used in the media come back to bite.
He has stated his case about the portal. However, he has yet to prove anyone wrong about the portal. Our Tigers have now lost 3 out of 4 games for the first time in a LONG LONG time. 2 of those losses to inferior teams. Love the Clemson culture, but we are losing games. If players want Dabo to stay out of the portal they NEED TO PERFORM ON THE FIELD.
College football has changed a lot in the last few years. What was at one time cheating is now the accepted norm and a lot of teams, especially ones we play each year, are using every available avenue to improve their rosters.
I will always be a proud Tiger fan, but it was very disappointing to watch the Duke game. At times it looked like Streeter was till calling plays, and it does not appear our passing game has improved one bit. If our receivers are wide open they generally catch the pass, but if they are even the least bit covered it the DBs win a way more than their fair share of battles.
Cannot understand the continued average to below-average O-line play. Our former 5 star Leigh was absolutely assaulted on the Mafah fumble. How can our O-line not get better when they practice against great D-linemen?
Hopefully the Duke loss will light the fire needed !
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
Sep 7, 2023, 2:23 PM
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We brought Riley in for an explosive play offense problem is we still don't have anyone explosive at wide receiver to be able to create space for the explosive plays. I read an article this past week about one of the coaches I think it was Oklahoma States Mike dundy saying the portal is part of the game and we have to adapt to use it or your being left behind. His point was in the old way of building a team when you lose people to graduation then you have to bring in kids with little experience to fill those spots. Saying it takes about 2 years for those kids to get their butts whooped to get them where they can compete on that level. Again he stated thats the old way of doing things and thats not going to work now.
The new way is when you lose position players with all that experience you can now go to the portal and get these guys who have had the experience on other teams and plug them right into the system. Being able to do it this way now can help bypass a couple of down years when you were rebuilding. Georgia, Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan, Florida State and others of the top of college football are using it to their advantage. Dabo is going have to come to grips as this a way to help improve the team or else we are going to fall further behind each year. I hope he finally wakes up and sees that you can use this to get better faster.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says transfer portal didn't lose the Duke game for Clemson
Sep 9, 2023, 4:15 AM
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I’m starting to really dislike Dabo. Wouldn’t it be nice for him to admit someday that the coaching staff simply failed to prepare the team after a loss? Our last 3 losses have been due to lack of preparation, which is incredibly obvious. The team had a month to prepare for Tennessee at the Orange Bowl and only scored 14 points and lost by 17…an entire offseason to prepare for Duke and lost by 21 scoring only 7 points…. And don’t get me started on the U of SC loss, that was a clear example of bad coaching in every direction.
It was refreshing to see Dabo fire Streeter and bring in Riley this off-season, but man after losing to Duke by 3 TD’s, while only scoring 7 points, and hearing Dabo say things like “we won’t lose another game if the offense plays like this the rest of the season” it makes me question the future of the program regardless of who the players are.
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