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TNET: Swinney updates Trevor Lawrence availability for Wake Forest
Oct 2, 2018, 11:35 AM
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Orange Immortal [68080]
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It was head and neck !?!?!?
Oct 2, 2018, 11:37 AM
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It was targeting is what it was and in typical incompetent ACC officiating fashion, it was ignored.
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I agree that it should have been called, but
Oct 2, 2018, 11:41 AM
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I still hate the rule and don't think the guy purposefully tried to hit the head and neck area.
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Re: I agree that it should have been called, but
Oct 2, 2018, 11:45 AM
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The tackler threw his elbow and upper arm directly into the head and neck area. Sure looked like targeting to me. Even more so in the slo-mo replays.
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Campus Hero [13362]
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The guy was breaking down to make the tackle and TL
Oct 2, 2018, 11:48 AM
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was stumbling out of control. It was accidental in my view.
HOWEVER, the way they call that stupid unnecessary rule, it should have been targeting and an ejection.
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Re: the facemask on ETN was not accidental***
Oct 2, 2018, 1:42 PM
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I played safety for 3 years . That hit was not meant to take down the runner that kid was hitting TL to inflict damage . Using his forearm and shoulder as a hammer ... he meant to hurt him . No question in my mind because in my immaturity and savagery as a pre-teen and teen I was doing the same types of things . I always went out there to hit people as hard as I could and with the hope that I would hurt somebody .
Anyone that sees the Syracuse coach and player who both celebrated seeing that collision and still thinks it was happenstance is fooling themself .
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Orange Blooded [4083]
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nope..i thought so at first
Oct 2, 2018, 12:06 PM
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but once he was past the los, he was a running back and not considered a "defenseless" player.
while I love Trevor's effort on the play, it was a Horrible idea to not duck out of bounds and try to get a first down he could not have gotten anyway..I suspect every coach on the team (and his parents) tore him a new one for that effort..the db clearly pulled his head back and used his shoulder..But Trevor had everything extended and vulnerable..imo, the db did nothing wrong.
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Game Changer [1926]
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He never made it to the line of scrimmage which
Oct 2, 2018, 12:19 PM
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is why this was not smart on his part. He was getting the first down so throw it away.
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The LOS has nothing to do with it. Read the NCAA
Oct 2, 2018, 12:52 PM
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definition of a defenseless player. Where the rule doesn't help in this situation is the part about 'a player who has obviously given himself up and is sliding feet first. Trevor had obviously given himself up and was horizontal and going down, but it wasn't feet first.
The rule protects QBs at all times. You even have to be careful blocking one after and INT or fumble. This was as close to forceful contact on a defenseless runner as you can get without it actually being called. The 'feet first' thing was the difference.
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Game Changer [1926]
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I never said it did, was
Oct 2, 2018, 4:08 PM
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responding to the post above mine that said once he reached the line of scrimmage, which he didn't. I do not think it was a penalty. He should have thrown the ball away and never got hit.
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CU Guru [1149]
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Wasn't responding to you, we were both responding to
Oct 4, 2018, 9:51 AM
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the post before yours.
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Re: It was head and neck !?!?!?
Oct 2, 2018, 4:12 PM
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It wasn’t targeting. He became a runner & he wasn’t defenseless.
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Re: It was head and neck !?!?!?
Oct 2, 2018, 4:12 PM
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Yes your right, per the rule. It states that if a player is going down. No contact above the shoulders is alowwed by any part of the defenders body. This was well covered in the Ohio St. vs Penn St game. So yes, targeting should've been called. I don't however believe the defender meant any harm to Lawrence.
Go Tigers!
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Re: It was head and neck !?!?!?
Oct 2, 2018, 4:23 PM
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Yep, exactly covered in the penn st osu game...he’s going down, so no longer a runner...targeting.
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Re: It was head and neck !?!?!?
Oct 2, 2018, 6:47 PM
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Right. His intent was to try to hurt TL.
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Re: It was head and neck !?!?!?
Oct 2, 2018, 4:12 PM
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Yes your right, per the rule. It states that if a player is going down. No contact above the shoulders is alowwed by any part of the defenders body. This was well covered in the Ohio St. vs Penn St game. So yes, targeting should've been called. I don't however believe the defender meant any harm to Lawrence.
Go Tigers!
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He wasn't defenseless. TL lunged forward and lowered his
Oct 2, 2018, 9:21 PM
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head. It was not an illegal hit.
The Syracuse defender kept his head up and led with his shoulder. Since TL was a runner and ducked his head, the Syracuse defender is allowed to lead with his shoulder. It's impossible for a defender to avoid hitting a runner on his helmet if the runner is lunging forward and ducks his head.
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True but we got hit with this idiotic rule last year when
Oct 2, 2018, 10:05 PM
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a punt returner lowered his head into an oncoming tiger tackler
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Ring of Honor [23471]
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I have no argument for that because I don't remember it.
Oct 3, 2018, 9:17 AM
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But the TL hit was not a penalty. I've seen Clemson hits that were also not penalties.
The last thing football needs is a hit like that being called a penalty.
The NFL is passed the point of no return. NFL is no longer football. College football is still a much safer version of football.
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Re: TNET: Swinney updates Trevor Lawrence availability for Wake Forest
Oct 2, 2018, 11:37 AM
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Re: TNET: Swinney updates Trevor Lawrence availability for Wake Forest
Oct 2, 2018, 11:41 AM
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"we wanted to come back and play the second half."
"He wanted to come back and play the second half."
Don't make the coaches look so bad lol
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Hope throwing it away is part of the practice schedule***
Oct 2, 2018, 11:46 AM
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Re: TNET: Swinney updates Trevor Lawrence availability for Wake Forest
Oct 2, 2018, 11:48 AM
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Honestly, the way his eyes looked when he was walking off of the field (hard blinking, etc.), I don’t see how that wasn’t at least a mild concussion. I hope he isn’t needed much, if at all on saturday, so can use these next couple of weeks to rest and recover fully.
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Re: TNET: Swinney updates Trevor Lawrence availability for Wake Forest
Oct 2, 2018, 11:59 AM
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Hopefully, another heavy dose of ETN is all that is needed against Wake. That should cut down on Trevor's hits to the body.
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Re: TNET: Swinney updates Trevor Lawrence availability for Wake Forest
Oct 2, 2018, 12:53 PM
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Hayell yeah! Broken neck and Dabo's playing the kid!!! She should learn to slide....better yet she should hand the ball off. Y'all aren't making the playoffs with those two girls at qb. Not every team you face will have defense ranked 96th.
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Re: TNET: Swinney updates Trevor Lawrence availability for Wake Forest
Oct 2, 2018, 1:02 PM
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How’s Fields doing? Asking for a friend.
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Re: TNET: Swinney updates Trevor Lawrence availability for Wake Forest
Oct 2, 2018, 1:15 PM
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Hayell yeah! Broken neck and Dabo's playing the kid!!! She should learn to slide....better yet she should hand the ball off. Y'all aren't making the playoffs with those two girls at qb. Not every team you face will have defense ranked 96th.
The only way you would know they were girls is if your hands have been in their pants.
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Re: TNET: Swinney updates Trevor Lawrence availability for Wake Forest
Oct 2, 2018, 1:44 PM
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Tell your Mom and Sister I want them out of my house by time I get home.
What if they aren’t done cleaning it????
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Re: TNET: Swinney updates Trevor Lawrence availability for Wake Forest
Oct 2, 2018, 4:25 PM
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Forget the rule. He was tripped up, out of control and a few inches from doing a faceplant. He was not going anywhere. It was unnecessary!
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Re: TNET: Swinney updates Trevor Lawrence availability for Wake Forest
Oct 2, 2018, 5:49 PM
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The whistle should have ended that play as soon as TL's foot went out 4 ds prior to the hit. TL should not have tried to continue after stepping out. TL was part to blame.
It was just football. TL will start Saturday. Let's move on.
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