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TNET: Analysis: LSU at Clemson in-depth breakdown
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Re: TNET: Analysis: LSU at Clemson in-depth breakdown
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Aug 26, 2025, 7:11 AM
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Unfortunately, I disagree with most of this analysis. LSU has insane talent at WR and our secondary has shown they are a liability vertically. Especially against decent teams. The only way we stop them is getting to the QB and stopping the run.
The defense has a lot to prove. I don’t think they go from an awful run defense to great in one off season.
I do agree with your o-line assessment, they were not good at run blocking and ok at pass blocking. I don’t expect that to magically improve with the same players returning.
I’m expecting a 31-17 type of score with LSU winning. Really hope I’m wrong. When was the last time Clemson played an elite team and didn’t lose by multiple scores?
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I think you'll see the effect of great coaching and maturity
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Aug 26, 2025, 7:21 AM
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Teams grow from year to year. The Defense has ELITE talent, everywhere. They now have an elite coach. It will be night and day from the defense we saw at the end of the season last year -- the worst run defense at Clemson since 1975. This D will scare offenses, the way Venables defenses did.
The Valley will be crazy -- probably the biggest game in a decade.
The offense struggled at times last year because the defense was so bad. This will be the return of complementary football.
If I'm wrong, we'll both be sad. If you're wrong, we'll both be very happy.
Either way, it ought to be memorable.
Go real Tigers!!
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Re: I think you'll see the effect of great coaching and maturity
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Aug 26, 2025, 7:29 AM
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I’d love it if you are right.
I’ve learned to temper my expectations over the past 4 years. I’m trying to keep my expectations realistic. Not negative. I think Clemson will be improved on both sides of the ball. I just don’t trust Cade or Garrett Riley to win a big game against a really good team. I haven’t seen them do that yet. Same with this defense. We shall see. I will comeback Saturday night and gladly eat my crow if I’m wrong.
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Re: I think you'll see the effect of great coaching and maturity
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Aug 26, 2025, 7:31 AM
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Fair enough.
Go Tigers!!
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I guess stats mean nothing to you
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Aug 26, 2025, 12:01 PM
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Which means facts mean nothing to you.
Good luck with all that.
Seems like most of the experts (NFL types who make millions) disagree with you.
But, Ok.
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Re: The hype with Cade is off. He is not the best QB
Aug 28, 2025, 8:03 PM
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The not-yet-ready Cade Klubnik of 2022 and 2023 was much in line with your assessment.
The Cade Klubnik of 2024 had improved mightily in every aspect of QB play and team leadership. Within 2024 season, he sent from being very good during first half of the season to outstanding in second half of the year.
If you watch the game on Saturday, then you’ll get up to speed.
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Re: As far as DBs, we were 24th on allowed yds/attempt
Aug 28, 2025, 8:19 PM
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We got beat, in a sense, on long passes because of an excess of PI penalties.
We got beat on short passes that turned into long gains via an excess of missed tackles.
(*). Even with Barrett Carter being gone at LB, I expect our pass rush to be markedly improved because Sammy Brown is an elite pass rusher at LB -and- at DT, P.Woods and Stephylan Green (showed great movement skills at DT last year) … along with Amare Adams (if he’s 100% by game time … also assuming that the platitudes he got during Spring translate into real production on game day) will be considerably stronger than un 2024. Furthermore, TJ Parker won’t be the ‘Lone Ranger’ as far as pass rush threat at DE. W.Heldt and a finally mature Jaheim Lawson will mean bookend threats at DE.
The above is a formidable combination. LSU’s new stud OL players won’t be ready enough yet to deal with the challenge from us.
What does this have to do with being beaten in long passes? Nussy better be ready to throw the ball (to open WRs) in 2.5 seconds max on every drop back. He’ll be successful on short routes (although short drop backs lead to more passes getting batted down at the LOS, so there’s that), and check-downs, which is what great QBs do to counter a pass rush that overwhelms an OL.
In summary, without being able to execute many deep routes, LSU shouldn’t be completing many of those.
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Good article
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Aug 26, 2025, 7:12 AM
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I've thought the same for a while.
Of course, I've thought that before, and been wrong.
But the offense should be absolutely elite, and I believe the O-line with one more year under Luke will be dominant, and deep. I think the guards will be just fine -- been in the system for a while.
No real weak spots on D either. There are a couple of positions that aren't deep, but not weak. A couple of injuries or a targeting call might change all of that. Skeptics are underselling Allen's influence with elite talent to work with.
Kicking: strong. Punting: the usual. PR/KR: fair catching, per usual.
Coaching: big nod to the Death Valley Tigers.
Culture: no doubt
Home field advantage: Large and in charge.
Glad we agree that it won't be particularly close. 
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Re: Good article
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Aug 26, 2025, 7:20 AM
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When was the last time Clemson beat a good team by multiple scores? #### when was the last time Clemson beat a good team?
I think people are buying into this media hype way too much. We bring back the same players that haven’t beaten a good team. The only change is a defensive coordinator, in his first year.
I believe we will be improved but not enough in game 1 to beat a potentially elite team by multiple scores.
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Teams actually change from year to year.
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Aug 26, 2025, 7:23 AM
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That probably disappoints your negativity.
It's not about hype. It's about the actual product.
I guess you didn't read my post. Too bad.
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Re: Good article
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Aug 26, 2025, 7:45 AM
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Think you underestimate the impact TAllen will have. Also the chemistry and impact of experience.
Cade should only be better. O-line should only be better. WR group should def be better. D-line will be better - D as a whole. Every unit will be better except maybe tight end and RB but mafah was hurt so I think even that will be better. Of course they can blow it but it’s almost a perfect storm of upgrades and psychology. Kelly gonna have “the face” part II
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Re: Good article
Aug 26, 2025, 7:55 AM
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I think we will be ok at tight end Bencantur is going to be elite and Patt-Henry showed some good stuff last season.
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Re: Good article
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Aug 26, 2025, 8:05 AM
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I know drummajor thinks I'm a coot (I'm not) Tiger since 51. But I completely agree with all his assessments. I think this team can be an elite team worthy of the media praise by Nov Dec, but game one? Good thing is it's game one for both. But that's true every year.
I'm not sold on Cade/Riley yet. Perhaps if we started the game like we're down 20, we could achieve Ryan's take.
We don't have elite talent everywhere. We have some elite talent. Front 7 on D is great. Safety, corner... not sure against a great pass team if given time to pass.
The Luke effect is taking hold. He's got some elite talent coming in. But for now, he's working with less than elite talent that Dabo will play. Will Dabo prop up a hurt walker Parks ala mafah?
That said, I think the game will be more like the smu game, except scoring in the 20s. But a last drive either way. Hope everyone else is right.
Go Clemson Tigers
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Re: Good article
Aug 26, 2025, 8:21 AM
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😂 I don’t think you’re a coot! If we could put a consistent 4 quarters of offense,(heck even 3) together I think we could win by multiple scores.
The only games I recall seeing that since Riley has been here was against Appalachian state and The Citadel.
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Re: Good article
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Aug 26, 2025, 12:15 PM
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They beat good teams last year. Just because a team is not in the SEC does not mean they are not a good team. Since you asked, we beat SMU just two game ago. Were they not good?
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Re: Good article
Aug 28, 2025, 8:26 PM
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SMU was a very good team by late season 2024.
Notre Dame was a very good team in 2023.
North Carolina was good in 2023.
To be sure, the list isn’t long.
I’m OK forgetting losses as being called ‘woulda been wins if …’ moral victories in 2023 and 2024. Winners talk, Losers …
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Re: TNET: Analysis: LSU at Clemson in-depth breakdown
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Aug 26, 2025, 8:26 AM
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If you grade everything by the metric that not winning the national championship is a failure , then 10 win seasons aren't great.
I'm a more practical fan. An older , more experienced fan. O say that +8 win seasons are good and +10 win seasons are great.
This idea that it's all or nothing is a set up for disappointment. I can't abide by it.
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Re: TNET: Analysis: LSU at Clemson in-depth breakdown
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Aug 26, 2025, 9:17 AM
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If Clemson goes 8-4, I will definitely not consider it good.
Expecting to win the natty annually is unrealistic.
Being happy with 8-4 is having low standards considering our resources.
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Re: TNET: Analysis: LSU at Clemson in-depth breakdown
Aug 26, 2025, 9:29 AM
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Going 8-4 would mean Clemson suffered 4 upsets. That's unacceptable and additional staff changes would be in order ( or at least they should be ).
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Re: TNET: Analysis: LSU at Clemson in-depth breakdown
Aug 28, 2025, 8:34 PM
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Realistically, if one irreplaceable guy (CK2) and four of our other super stud defenders (such as 2 DTs and TJ Parker + Sammy Brown) suffer season ending injuries early in the year, then 8-4 would be OK.
When Tiger fans of the future are looking back at Clemson history and (play along with me here on the above scenario), they will just seethe W-L record and gripe that Clemson 2025 was just another reflection of how Clemson had outlived it’s championship FB era.
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Re: TNET: Analysis: LSU at Clemson in-depth breakdown
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If you grade everything by the metric that not winning the national championship is a failure , then 10 win seasons aren't great.
I'm a more practical fan. An older , more experienced fan. O say that +8 win seasons are good and +10 win seasons are great.
This idea that it's all or nothing is a set up for disappointment. I can't abide by it.
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Re: TNET: Analysis: LSU at Clemson in-depth breakdown
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Aug 26, 2025, 8:46 AM
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From your words to Gods ears!
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Re: TNET: Analysis: LSU at Clemson in-depth breakdown
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Aug 26, 2025, 9:02 AM
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Agree. Spot on
The key takeaway for me is returning production ( for both teams )
Give LSU time and they'll perhaps develop into a playoff contender. Not there yet.
It takes time for new pieces to come together and play as a team. Clemson is already there.
This will be a bigger factor than most realize. If ( when ) they trail early how will they handle the crowd noise in the real Death Valley? Do they have vocal leaders on the field ? Gonna need them.
Will that newly formed O line play together when it's so loud you can't hear yourself think ?
Especially when this fired up defense has their ears pinned back salivating to get to a statuesque quarterback that is hurting late in the third quarter after being harassed , hurried and buried most of the evening ? I doubt it
Will the freshly built LSU defense be able to communicate on the field with Riley giving them plenty of eye candy to dissect before every snap ? Again , doubtful.
We won't shut them down on offense obviously. Nuss is a gunslinger and he has speedy weapons at his disposal. They will make plays. We must limit explosive plays that result in touchdowns and play lights out defense in the red zone where their speed isn't as advantageous.
That's when this D will shine ( imo ). We will once again see TFL's and sacks that earned us the moniker DLU. Limit them to long FG attempts if anything. The noise in the end zone will be deafening.
We won't set any rushing records on Saturday but look for us to be sufficiently productive enough to keep their defense honest. They'll have to respect us and not make us one dimensional.
We stave off a late LSU charge and come away with a 33-29 win. Go Tigers !
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Re: TNET: Analysis: LSU at Clemson in-depth breakdown
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Aug 26, 2025, 9:20 AM
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OK Fellow Tigers...The Season IS Almost Here🌞🌞🌞 When U Mature Talent Like Coach Dabo and U Have Coordinators Who Prepare The Talent Like We Have....
Don't Be Surprised On Saturday Night When
Our Clemson Tigers Dominate The Bayou Bengals 😎😎😎
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In other words, culture eats transfer portal for breakfast***
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Aug 26, 2025, 10:20 AM
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Feelin' pretty good about Saturday.
Go Tigers.
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Aug 26, 2025, 10:30 AM
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2007 all over again. We are going to get our ### beat Saturday and drop another 3-4 games this year. This team just isn’t good. Everyone says we have “elite” talent on defense…. Besides Sammy TJ & Peter who else is truly elite? How many would start at a good football school or just be second string?
And on offense Garrett Riley can’t coach worth a #### against decent teams. He’d make a #### good coordinator at a G5 or big12 school (how ironic considering where he came from) but he has yet to prove himself. And don’t give me that BS about the Texas game. They were up big and let us hang around too long and we almost made it a ballgame.
It’s sad that Clemson fans have come to celebrating a “good loss” against Texas. I remember when this team would beat anybody anywhere and could’ve probably hung around with bad NFL teams. That ain’t the case anymore. Y’all don’t get your hopes up, we are back to mediocre and will be there for a long time until we start getting more elite talent all over the field and can actually develop them like we did 7-10 years ago.
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Aug 26, 2025, 10:35 AM
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Re: TNET: Analysis: LSU at Clemson in-depth breakdown
Aug 26, 2025, 2:10 PM
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Respectfully, I disagree with this take. Them Tigers from the Bayou state have what might be the most talented WR room in the country. We didn't see ANYTHING from our secondary last year that tells me we can stop this team. Doesn't mean we won't. But I don't think it's a lock.
More experience does not guarantee more production. And the only bad habit we definitely got rid of was Wes. Although our DL is what excites me most about this game. With LSU being a pass-first offense, I don't see them running on us very well, which makes them one-dimensional. Unfortunately, it's the one dimension they execute best. Their pass blocking is really really good.
Hope I'm wrong, but I see an LSU win by more than a field goal. And if their portal grabs are as advertised on defense, we may be held to under 20. But I think we keep them under 30.
I'm picking LSU, 24-20.
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Re: TNET: Analysis: LSU at Clemson in-depth breakdown
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Our LB starters are very very good; S.Brown’s pass coverage skills are almost certain to have improved from those of the 2024 season (when his coverage skills were not bad). Woodaz is a special talent (at college level) with regard to pass coverage, play recognition, and run defense.
Our CBs are good if healthy. If reports from TNet are accurate, J.Lukas should be ready. That’s big. If Terrell and A.Hampton are also in top form, then we have three proven high quality CBs and a (hopefully ready to finish stepping up) Sheldon Lewis as a key backup.
Safety is my only concern at D (which needs to play very well despite inexperience other players [excluding Barnes and Griffin]).
As for the end score, neither team will hit 30 points.
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