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If Im being honest with myself
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Sep 7, 2024, 2:11 PM
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I am feeling a lot of resentment toward Dabo. 2024 Dabo. Pre NIL/Portal Dabo was a legand. No doubt. It seems like every game I watch, every time time I turn the channel, I see something that reminds me of what he isn’t doing. I see that face he makes at the press when he is questioned. I hear the gaslighting.
I hope they look better tonight and show some life on offense. I hope we see the defense from the first the first half last week. If things stay as they are, that resentment will just grow bigger. It really is on him. It didn’t have to be this way.
As I wrote this Mukaba made a great play and was praised again. I can’t be alone in this opinion about Dabo.
Again, this is not the same Dabo from 2011 or 2015-2019 or even 2020. To anyone this may irritate, I’m just giving my own opinion. Sorry.
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CU Medallion [20731]
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Re: If Im being honest with myself
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Sep 7, 2024, 2:16 PM
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Just lie to yourself; that is what most of us are doing…
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Sep 7, 2024, 2:18 PM
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lol, I’ll try it
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Rival Killer [2903]
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Sep 7, 2024, 2:24 PM
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Find a dark room and turn off the football
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All-In [10863]
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Sep 7, 2024, 2:25 PM
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Too much time on your hands.
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Sep 7, 2024, 2:26 PM
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You’re not alone at all..,very crowded room.
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Varsity [103]
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Why all the apologizing? No one is offended.
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Sep 7, 2024, 2:42 PM
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Unless you start up with politics and such. Then you'll be put in the portal.
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Re: Why all the apologizing? No one is offended.
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Sep 7, 2024, 2:55 PM
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I’m glad you’re not. But you know how people get when you question Dabo on here. You see people thank him for the past success all the time before lighting him up for the present.
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Game Changer [1891]
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Re: If Im being honest with myself
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Sep 7, 2024, 2:52 PM
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Dabo is just a man. Like all of us, great success and reward can lead us to trend from humility and appreciation to arrogance and entitlement. I do believe Dabo has been dealing with this. In my case it took a great plunge into a bottomless pit to regain my focus and humility and appreciation for the Lord’s work and blessings in my life, and to realize my prosperity was His work and not my fleshly success. Hopefully Dabo recognizes it sooner than I did. He is a good man, a good coach, and a great representative of Clemson. Some will disagree with me, but when I see him bee bopping all over the field trying to be the ESPN star of the spring games…bobbing his head a lot and breaking out the disgusting “friggin” word over and over…he never used to do that stuff. I’m sure I will get flogged for this and that’s ok. I love Dabo and I love Clemson. He has a great foundation and he will return to it and get this ship righted. We aren’t as far away from where we were as most think.
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Re: If Im being honest with myself
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Sep 7, 2024, 3:25 PM
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Dabo is just a man. Like all of us, great success and reward can lead us to trend from humility and appreciation to arrogance and entitlement. I do believe Dabo has been dealing with this. In my case it took a great plunge into a bottomless pit to regain my focus and humility and appreciation for the Lord’s work and blessings in my life, and to realize my prosperity was His work and not my fleshly success. Hopefully Dabo recognizes it sooner than I did. He is a good man, a good coach, and a great representative of Clemson. Some will disagree with me, but when I see him bee bopping all over the field trying to be the ESPN star of the spring games…bobbing his head a lot and breaking out the disgusting “friggin” word over and over…he never used to do that stuff. I’m sure I will get flogged for this and that’s ok. I love Dabo and I love Clemson. He has a great foundation and he will return to it and get this ship righted. We aren’t as far away from where we were as most think.
He's the most entertaining commentator on those spring games. Without him they would be pretty dull these past few years. Frig isn't a swear in anyone's book. You might have liked ken Hatfield.
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Game Changer [1891]
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Re: If Im being honest with myself
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Sep 7, 2024, 3:43 PM
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Nope, definitely not a Hatfield fan. I didn’t say it was a curse word but it doesn’t change the fact it’s distasteful. It’s kind of a beta boy curse word which is worse to me. I preferred Danny’s country gentleman approach. Humble and always congenial on air. Never a “look at me” guy. But chew your ### out in practice when/if needed.
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Re: If Im being honest with myself
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Sep 8, 2024, 11:39 AM
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Nope, definitely not a Hatfield fan. I didn’t say it was a curse word but it doesn’t change the fact it’s distasteful. It’s kind of a beta boy curse word which is worse to me. I preferred Danny’s country gentleman approach. Humble and always congenial on air. Never a “look at me” guy. But chew your ### out in practice when/if needed.
Don't like the word friggin...
But said @$$ in a post..
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Re: If Im being honest with myself
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Sep 8, 2024, 9:15 AM
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IMO anybody that actually liked ken Hatfield, there were character flaws in that person's DNA...
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Orange Blooded [2493]
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Re: If Im being honest with myself
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Sep 8, 2024, 11:24 AM
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Why?? There was nothing wrong with Hatfield. He actually won quite a few games. One of the better coaches, he was just becoming a dinosaur. Not much personality to be seen. It's not like he was horrible. He just wasn't going to make Clemson better
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Solid Orange [1392]
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Same Dabo different staff***
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Sep 7, 2024, 2:54 PM
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Re: Same Dabo different staff***
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Sep 7, 2024, 2:55 PM
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Nothing is the same...
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Game Changer [1891]
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Re: Same Dabo different staff***
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Sep 7, 2024, 3:04 PM
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Right, Dabo is not the same guy. He will be again though.
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Athletic Dir [1158]
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Sep 7, 2024, 2:55 PM
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similar feeling
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Tiger Spirit [9555]
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Sep 7, 2024, 2:56 PM
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I think a lot of you guys have to accept that Clemson had a #### of run but it has ended. College football has changed in the worst of ways and we are no longer on top in the current landscape
Quit looking at our current team through the lense of 2015-2020 and you won't be so disappointed
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Sep 7, 2024, 3:00 PM
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You state facts. I’d just say there are 11.5 million reasons to expect similar results from the playoff era.
Also, Dabo created the expectations from his own success.
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Legend [6735]
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There are schools that pay ex coaches that much
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Sep 7, 2024, 3:15 PM
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His salary was earned.
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Actually "frigging" is just a synonym for f u c king and Mr. Pious dabo uses it instead. If it's not then some of you evangelicals define it for the rest of us. Can't find it in my Webster's
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Sep 7, 2024, 5:22 PM
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@captioncall. Why do people get so caught up with his salary? He deserves every dime he makes. He's probably worth double what he is paid.
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Associate AD [1084]
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Because of the dip in production as a result of poor coaching hires, recruiting busts at the skill positions, and the total rejection of using the transfer portal and not bidding for HS recruits with NIL money.
He earned it for sure. But I think we all know it was earned in an era that is long gone.
If he did all the things I listed, the weaker seasons, and the blowouts wouldn’t seem as bad because you would know he was doing all he could.
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Re: If Im being honest with myself
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Sep 8, 2024, 10:04 AM
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No college FB coach deserves to make that much money, but they all deserve to be paid market value....
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Game Changer [1891]
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Sep 7, 2024, 3:19 PM
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Yes, it was an AMAZING run!
Yes, college football has changed and we have regressed!
No, we should expect to return to the top. We should NEVER be content with just being good. I was a fan and student during the 1980’s run. Throughout the Hatfield, West, then Bowden days I started wondering if the success of the 1980’s was a one off stars happened to align deal. Dabo came along and showed us it was not a once off deal. Clemson can be a perennial football power. Our administration is 100% behind winning and we have facilities that are top ten. We have championship level fan support. We have championship level traditions. We recruit with top schools. We have challenges for sure. We have to figure out the NIL and portal mess. We have to get our media rights competitive with the big boys. Those are fixable problems. As Clemson fans we should always expect to be in the hunt for championships. I’m not saying jump off a cliff if we have some 9-10 win seasons. But we should push our coaches and administration to strive for greatness always, because it is attainable at Clemson!
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Time, success, coaching chances, NIL, Portal & wrong hires
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Sep 7, 2024, 3:56 PM
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AND now a middle-aged man with $100,000,000 invested wisely changes and does start enjoying it & himself which ALL is happening to him as is natural..
But which also shows how unique Coach Saban was since he went thru these life changes and never got showboated..
But in the end NIL & Portal did get him, imho..
which I believe Dabo is presently fighting within and thus maybe the more passive or less aggressive behavior to achieve as a when he was a hungry younger head coach.
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Game Changer [1891]
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Re: Time, success, coaching chances, NIL, Portal & wrong hires
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Sep 7, 2024, 4:27 PM
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Yeah I think he will get it sorted out though Bill. Don’t you?
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Re: If Im being honest with myself
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If it would have been something that Dabo done himself that would have been put Clemson in the tracks that we've been in since 2021 we could blame Dabo for that, but he didn't do any of that he was force to change what he was doing that was so successful and that left him caught directly in the path of a hard row to hoe. I say that bc there isn't a thing that he do that improve the NIL for Clemson and I'm sure that it has left him angry bc he has been forced to try and build a winning program under totally unfair conditions as the NIL has put him in and I think that has caused character to change...
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Orange Blooded [2493]
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Re: If Im being honest with myself
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Sep 8, 2024, 11:42 AM
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Greed has ruined it.
Nil and portal, with a lack of oversight, has led to tampering/ headhunting. No team is going to be safe, when there are teams with a large population of alumni and boundless $$$. We saw what happened with Texas a&m. We saw what happened with Mukuba; coaches weren't petting him enough, stroking his ego, and Texas offered him more. Ryan Day can offer huge sums to recruits, but has been failing to live up to expectations for ohst.
And college football is going to continue to change. There will be a separation of the haves and have nots. Let Dabo do Dabo. It took him a few years to get us to the Pinnacle. He deserves the chance to return. He may have just caught lightning in the bottle, before, but let's see if he can do it again.
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Sep 7, 2024, 4:04 PM
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I’ve never asked a chicken what they think.
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Sep 7, 2024, 4:05 PM
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You make a great point
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Wrong.
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It’s the exact same Dabo. The game is what has changed. While younger than Saban I think if this is the new normal in college football you won’t have to worry about Dabo and your childish resentment much longer. He has from day one said that winning is secondary to molding kids into upstanding young men with valuable college degrees. He’s always recruited character first talent second. He’s always said “bloom where you’re planted,” and meant it.
I knew that once the cyclical nature of college football took hold and we took any sort of slight dip in results those whose entire happiness rests on the outcome of Clemson football games would turn on him. We are probably going to win ten games again this year and have as good a shot as anyone to win the ACC. Some are too young to remember but there were about 20 years where we just hoped for those kinds of results. Now they cause resentment. Some of you seem to have gotten the idea that we are entitled to be elite forever. By every measure throughout college football history Clemson has been an overachiever considering enrollment, endowment and alumni wealth. Never more so than after Dabo took over. Lord help some of you if 1990s Clemson football ever returns…though I expect a lot of the loudest whiners will be long gone by then.
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Game Changer [1891]
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Re: Wrong.
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Sep 7, 2024, 4:49 PM
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Good perspective. I hope the 1990’s football doesn’t return. We had 3 coaches in that era, which shows that wasn’t satisfactory then and surely would not be now. I lived through those days and am with you on that. I agree we should be happy with 10 win seasons, and it is way too early to be jumping off cliffs. I slightly disagree in that this program is built to compete at the championship level. We have the facilities, fans, administration support, ability to recruit and are working on the money part (sueing ACC). NIL will always be a challenge as you mention, but we have enough pieces to make runs at championships. None of us know Dabo as a coach or personally, but his public persona under adversity is very different than it was under success, and very different than it was under adversity as a young coach too. I think he will get the ship righted. But if he returns to 1990’s results he won’t likely be around long.
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Sep 7, 2024, 5:38 PM
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My parents always said honesty was the best policy. I have learned over they years, as smart as my parents are, they aren't right about everything. If I am going to be honest with myself now, I need to stop eating these potato chips. I think I am going to stick with sugarcoating things like most people in prominant positions.
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CU Medallion [20745]
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Augustus would be ashame of you.
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Sep 7, 2024, 6:30 PM
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You seem a little like Dish, an unexperienced letterman, and also remember We Don't Rent Pigs- nor do we carry on about one game until we've seem a few others.
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Re: Augustus would be ashame of you.
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Sep 7, 2024, 6:50 PM
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Good one. Pretty funny! But this is year 4 of bad offense.
They were 103rd in the nation in yards per play last year. 4.9 per play. That’s coming off 61st in 22’ at 5.4, and 103rd in 21’at 5.0. They averaged 3.5 against UGA.
I don’t think I’m jumping the gun. Playoff teams usually sit at 6.5-7.5+.
Clemson’s last National Title team in 2018 averaged 7.2.
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CU Medallion [20745]
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And yet they won 10 games in 21, won 10
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Games in 22, And came back to win 9 games in 23 with 2 loses in overtime. Must be doing something right. Go Tigers!!!
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Solid Orange [1354]
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Sep 7, 2024, 6:50 PM
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Those are alot of words...too bad I didn't read 'em 👍
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Re: If Im being honest with myself
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Agreed.
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Legend [6763]
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So what you're saying is you are a fair weathered fan
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Sep 7, 2024, 6:56 PM
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Gotcha
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Dynasty Maker [3561]
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Sep 7, 2024, 6:58 PM
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Go see a counselor dude. It’s a game.
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As long as Clemson is in the ACC, no one will be able to recruit freshman or PORTAL TRANSFERS competitively with the SEC. Not Dabo: Not Kirby: Not Saban!! Nobody!
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Game Day Hero [4282]
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Im being honest. You are a fair weather supposed fan.
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Sep 8, 2024, 7:42 AM
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What a post.
Embarrassing.
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Re: Im being honest. You are a fair weather supposed fan.
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What a post.
Embarrassing.
What do you find embarrassing about this post? Many found it embarrassing that we rolled into Duke last year without a functioning offense. Fans pay through the nose to give Dabo everything he requested so if he fails to produce, have the fans not earned the right to question and discuss the situation? Dabo has certainly earned the benefit of the doubt and many factors like covid and the emergence of NIL were out of his control. In the flip side, hiring unproven coaches and refusing to use all the available tools to help the team is worthy of discussion
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Game Day Hero [4282]
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Re: Im being honest. You are a fair weather supposed fan.
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Sep 8, 2024, 7:16 PM
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Blah blah blah
A supposed fan sitting on his rear who is not in practices, who does not deal with injuries, who does not deal with recruiting etc - enjoys pretending that they know more than a coach who has 2 Natties and multiple playoff games, multiple 10+ win seasons. What a load of poop.
You don’t have to like the few losses Clemson has, but get over yourself and your “earning the right”. You didn’t earn anything. You didn’t put in blood , sweat, and energy into anything other than complaining - hiding behind your keyboard.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [98431]
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If I'M being honest.
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Sep 8, 2024, 7:44 AM
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You're a dumper and I'm ashamed for and of you.
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Head Coach [967]
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Sep 8, 2024, 7:59 AM
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Now, how do you honestly feel?
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Sep 8, 2024, 9:10 AM
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Don't watch it! Don't read about it!! Don't go on social media. Stay away from sports PERIOD, find a hobby.
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I’m glad they had succes on offense last night. That was years in the making. Hopefully that’s who they are and it’s not just a one time thing. If that’s who this team is, there’s no reason they can’t win out the regular season!
If you can’t handle someone whose opinion isn’t the same as yours, go sit in the corner with Kamala and the rest of the anti free speech camp.
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Re: If Im being honest with myself
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I’m glad they had succes on offense last night. That was years in the making. Hopefully that’s who they are and it’s not just a one time thing. If that’s who this team is, there’s no reason they can’t win out the regular season!
If you can’t handle someone whose opinion isn’t the same as yours, go sit in the corner with Kamala and the rest of the anti free speech camp.
your previous post didn't age worth a #### lol.
Go Tigers!!!!
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You think because we had a good game and win against App St. that we are all the sudden going to win a national championship? If you think there isn't much more work to be done you're not very bright. That game doesn't change some of the things that have transpired with Dabo and the program the past few years
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Orange Blooded [2493]
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Re: If Im being honest with myself
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Sep 8, 2024, 10:39 AM
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So....you are blaming Dabo for nil and the portal?!?!? You are irritated with a man who is constant is his belief and faith in making young men stronger, by making sure they are educated and have, at least, some basis in faith/belief in God. You are blaming Dabo for the destruction of amateur sports, that were meant to be a chance for young people to be able to get an education, which is more important the sport itself???
You, sir, need to sit in that room and contemplate the real reason for your irritation.
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Re: If Im being honest with myself
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Sep 8, 2024, 11:34 AM
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And all I read from you is mindless dribble.
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Re: If Im being honest with myself
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Sep 8, 2024, 4:51 PM
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If I'm honest with myself, and I am, I love Dabo and all that he represents. I loved him before he started winning at Clemson, I loved him before the game last night, and I love him now.
Dabo understands and loves Clemson, and Clemson loves Dabo!
NIL and the portal are destroying college athletics. My main (and perhaps only) issue with Dabo is his huge salary. But the market dictates that. I just wish he would accept less or donate more.
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Re: If Im being honest with myself
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Sep 8, 2024, 6:34 PM
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Just try to enjoy the record setting night please
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