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Licking my wounds, here is my reaction to the Debacle in Dublin.
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First of all, y'all feel free to pile on. Won't bother me one bit. I'm a guest here. FSU lost. Y'all have every right to take shots at me. I assure you, I don't take it personally.
OK, as briefly as possible, here are my thoughts.
1. GT dominated the game after the opening drive by FSU. FSU had 5 rushes for 58 yards in the opening drive. 26 rushes for 40 yards the rest of the game.
2. GT OL and DL dominated, decimated and destroyed the FSU OL and DL. I gotta tell you, I was shocked. I bought the hype. I thought our OL and DL, especially the DL, were among the best in the country. GT didn't out scheme or trick FSU in the trenches. They didn't double team and finesse anything. They just put a hat on a hat and moved the opponent from point A to point B against his will. (Old school line play. Nothing fancy or cute about it.)
3. If it was schemes by GT or lack of technique by GT I wouldn't be as concerned. But it wasn't. It was just bullying. "I'm meaner and stronger than you are and I'm going to push you around all day. And there ain't nothing you can do about it." And, to pile on my concern, our LBs seemed either invisible or in the wrong gaps all day. I'm not sure how much you can improve in a few weeks when you are just bullied into submission.
4. I know y'all will disagree with me on this, but I don't think DJ was the problem. He was not great, but he was not horrible either. Considering the lack of a running game and the lack of OL blocking in general, he had a decent game. He wasn't the reason we lost. Same with RB and WR. The horrible offensive production can be placed squarely at the feet of the OL.
5. I've learned over decades not to get too high after a win or too low after a loss. FSU isn't as bad as they looked today. But, before today I expected them to be in Charlotte in December. Now, I think 8-4 would be a good season.
Matt Luke has to be very interested in the the game tape. The GT OL just manhandled our DTs without double teaming them. Our DE virtually never got pressure on King. They were horrible at setting the edge on running plays and when they did, the LB or safety managed to take the wrong gap anyway.
Well, I've said enough. That's my analysis of the state of Nole football as of today.
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Re: Licking my wounds, here is my reaction to the Debacle in Dublin.
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Aug 24, 2024, 6:29 PM
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I won’t take any shots. You’re a great guy and don’t deserve that. Momma said they’ll be days like these. Take care
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Love your username!
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Aug 24, 2024, 9:22 PM
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Bravo! Good show!
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Re: Licking my wounds, here is my reaction to the Debacle in Dublin.
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Aug 24, 2024, 6:32 PM
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That was well said. You'll learn over the course of the season that the offense has to be greatly simplified for DJ. It's not his fault... he's just limited in what he can do.
I now predict between 3 and 5 losses for FSU.
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Re: Licking my wounds, here is my reaction to the Debacle in Dublin.
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Aug 24, 2024, 6:38 PM
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Well said.
I'm shocked but not bc GT had a lot of veterans retuning on the OL.
They absolutely bullied y'all in the trenches all game, minus 2 drives.
DJ just has a boring energy and just makes O coordinators make boring/predicable play calls.
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Re: Licking my wounds, here is my reaction to the Debacle in Dublin.
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Aug 24, 2024, 6:39 PM
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Sir you are a Nole fan , mostly you are a football fan as well. I have been where you are right now. Stay true to yourself. Thank you for your honesty. Good Luck with the rest of the season. C U in Tallahassee!!!
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I think 8-4
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Aug 24, 2024, 6:39 PM
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Where do you predict the other 3 losses?
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Based on today....
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Aug 24, 2024, 6:48 PM
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.... I'm thinking 8-4 would be a good season.
The better question would be where do I think the 8 wins are coming from.
I'm thinking (hoping) the OL and DL get a lot better. But, right now I see FSU being a two score underdog to Clemson (even at home) and ND. The rest of the teams, let's wait and see. I was completely wrong in my analysis of FSU. Let's see a couple of games to see how good other teams are.
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Re: Based on today....
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Aug 24, 2024, 8:16 PM
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And DJU hit the transfer portal guess he’s kind of scared of how badly Clemson was going to beat them! But don’t worry, everyone says at Florida State, gonna win the ACC
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Re: Based on today....
Aug 24, 2024, 8:27 PM
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To be clear, I think that that information is Germans or a joke but still, he’s the same old guy you were kidding yourselves thinking he was going to be a great quarterback
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Re: Based on today....
Aug 24, 2024, 9:30 PM
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You should also wait a couple games to see how good or bad your guys are.
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I agree.
Aug 24, 2024, 10:27 PM
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I'm disappointed, but not ready to panic. I remember about 35 or so years ago we lost our opening game to Miami 31-0. Finished the season 9-2, won the bowl game and finished #4 in the nation.
I'm not panicking, but I'm not expecting that big a change either.
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Re: Licking my wounds, here is my reaction to the Debacle in Dublin.
Aug 24, 2024, 6:42 PM
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All I got to say is, yall can play great the rest of the season and that will be fine! Except I really hope DJU throws 8-29 against us like he did against the Coots. Im still not convinced he didnt throw that game some how even if it was that he knew he wanted to transfer and it would be easier. Im not saying he did it for personal gain, maybe Big Dave told him to for a final big bet??? But he isnt that bad of a QB to play like he did that day!
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Thx bretfsu..you are truly a fine Gentleman & super Fan!
Aug 24, 2024, 6:47 PM
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Now, what's for Supper as MFO would yell out.
Oh, it is a game with 18-23 yr kids playing, isn't it?
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No shots from me.
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Aug 24, 2024, 6:43 PM
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I disagree about DJU and agree with the rest.
Is also add that your defense missed an unbelievable amount of tackles. Fix that or it's going to be a long year for the Semis.
You're a good guy and a knowledgeable, respectful opponent. Keep on posting here
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Re: Licking my wounds, here is my reaction to the Debacle in Dublin.
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Aug 24, 2024, 6:49 PM
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Good observations. I enjoy your take on things so nothing bad to say, however, while DJ wasn’t the issue he also wasn’t good enough to really make a difference in the game and the GT QB was IMO. He’s just not dynamic enough to really impact the game and put the team on his shoulders when they need it. I hate to say it but I think there will be some frustrating games ahead this year. If teams lock down your run game DJ will struggle to move to ball.
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If teams lock down our running game....
Aug 24, 2024, 7:02 PM
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.... you are absolutely correct.
Every since Spring practice and all through August Norvell has said this is the bes OL he has ever had. His offense is predicated on run first. He also has a stalbe of good RB. Not expected to have a 1500 yard horse you can ride (like Mafah may be) but literally 6 guys who are capable of playing without a tremendous dropoff. He would like 60-65 % of the plays to be run. He loves zone, power and especially counter. Until today it was expected for FSU to get 230-250 yards per game rushing. The personnel this year was supposed to be built for his offense. The concern was supposed to be the WRs. Talented, but young and unproven.
His offense is predicated on making the D put an extra man in the box and then beat them with the pass. Today, GT managed to stuff the run and still keep only 7 in the box.
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Re: Licking my wounds, here is my reaction to the Debacle in Dublin.
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Aug 24, 2024, 6:50 PM
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DJ may not have been the reason yall lost today but he also won’t be the reason yall win any games this season
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Re: Licking my wounds, here is my reaction to the Debacle in Dublin.
Aug 24, 2024, 8:17 PM
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Cause his ### is gone
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Re: Licking my wounds, here is my reaction to the Debacle in Dublin.
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Aug 24, 2024, 6:57 PM
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You are one of the more solid posters on here.
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Re: Licking my wounds, here is my reaction to the Debacle in Dublin.
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Aug 24, 2024, 6:57 PM
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DJ has a special knack for somehow making Offensive lines look bad.
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Truth
Aug 24, 2024, 10:29 PM
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DJ isn't going to excite an offense into being any better than it is with his non - exciting demeanor and performance. If Deshawn and Trevor had "it" then DJ has "none".
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This was me after Dook last year^^^
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Aug 24, 2024, 6:59 PM
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Solid post
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Great point.
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Aug 24, 2024, 7:03 PM
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But, the differenced is last year Clemson dominated Duke and lost due to turnovers in the redzone.
FSU lost due to being slobberknocked in the trenches.
However, the degree of disappointment is very similar.
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Orange Blooded [3545]
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point for slobber knocked
Aug 24, 2024, 7:50 PM
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When that happens to your lines a loss is almost insured.
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Re: Great point.
Aug 24, 2024, 7:59 PM
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DJ missed two long throws but otherwise was ok.
Aug 24, 2024, 7:01 PM
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Our right, the problem was along the lines.
But it's one game.
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Re: Licking my wounds, here is my reaction to the Debacle in Dublin.
Aug 24, 2024, 7:04 PM
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DJ was not THE problem.
But he was one of the problems for FSU.
He didn’t do much to help the team win.
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We agree on that.
Aug 24, 2024, 7:08 PM
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He does not have the athleticism to overcome the ineptness of the OL. And, he doesn't have the pure passing ability to pick a defense apart.
But, as bad as the OL was today, it might have taken a Lamar Jackson or Tom Brady to win.
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Re: We agree on that.
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Aug 24, 2024, 7:35 PM
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Or Deshaun Watson or Trevor Lawrence.
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Re: Licking my wounds, here is my reaction to the Debacle in Dublin.
Aug 24, 2024, 7:08 PM
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Good assessment. Can’t run and can’t stop the run if a bad combo.
DJ didn’t lose the game today.
Having Atkins suspended hurt.
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Re: Licking my wounds, here is my reaction to the Debacle in Dublin.
Aug 24, 2024, 7:09 PM
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Norvell said this is the best OL he has ever had.
That’s not saying much. FSU hasn’t had a really strong OLine for years.
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Re: Licking my wounds, here is my reaction to the Debacle in Dublin.
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Aug 24, 2024, 7:11 PM
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Bret, sorry you had a disappointing first game today. The only thing I disagree with is that you are a guest here. You are one of the Tnet family! Even though FSU is your first team we have seen you pull for the Tigers wholeheartedly when not playing FSU. You are respectful and I enjoy your posts. Thanks for being here.
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Thanks for the kind words. I certainly hope that...
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Aug 24, 2024, 7:13 PM
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.... next week UGA fans are saying exactly what I'm saying today? "How could our OL look so inept and get pushed around like that?"
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Re: Licking my wounds, here is my reaction to the Debacle in Dublin.
Aug 24, 2024, 7:17 PM
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Y'all were whipped so bad in the trenches on both sides of the ball, it's hard to evaluate the skill players or DBs. Your front 7 were horrible. DJU was the same ole DJU we had to endure. You're stuck with a very mediocre QB. Hey, this goes to show the transfer portal ain't all that. I still think they'll improve and finish better than 8-4.
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Re: Licking my wounds, here is my reaction to the Debacle in Dublin.
Aug 24, 2024, 7:17 PM
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Y'all were whipped so bad in the trenches on both sides of the ball, it's hard to evaluate the skill players or DBs. Your front 7 were horrible. DJU was the same ole DJU we had to endure. You're stuck with a very mediocre QB. Hey, this goes to show the transfer portal ain't all that. I still think they'll improve and finish better than 8-4.
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Pretty spot on Bret
Aug 24, 2024, 7:20 PM
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Today was probably a day makes you wish could've been playing a cupcake game to break in the new pieces instead of starting w/ a conference opponent hungry for a marquee win.
Getting whipped in the trenches was definitely story of the day for y'all. While DJ didn't look spectacular, he also didn't really do anything to cost yall the game either. They ran alot of dink & dunk, didn't really show trust in downfield passing. When they HAD to at end, he was able to hit some shots.
Good thing for your boys is got 3 home games + bye week before the 2 game stretch that will make/break the preseason expectations (@ SMU, vs Clemson) to right the ship some.
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Last week most folks were saying BC is better than GT.
Aug 24, 2024, 7:26 PM
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No way is that a game to take for granted.
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Re: Licking my wounds, here is my reaction to the Debacle in Dublin.
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Aug 24, 2024, 7:22 PM
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I'm thinking the moment GT realized the downfield passing game was not a threat they had safeties playing downhill. That's mostly on DJ
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Re: Licking my wounds, here is my reaction to the Debacle in Dublin.
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Aug 24, 2024, 7:26 PM
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I think GT played FSU the way so many teams played us when we had DJ. They were crowding the line of scrimmage and daring him to throw the ball deep. Most of his passes were the short check down throws of less than 10 yards. Sound familiar?
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Re: Licking my wounds, here is my reaction to the Debacle in Dublin.
Aug 24, 2024, 7:27 PM
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I did not see a down but I looked for your analysis because you are a fair and resonable guy. I knew you would give an accurate recap. Openers can always be surprising. I may try to catch some condensed recaps just for general interest in both teams.
My daughter had a HS student who played at ND. He went when they played in Dublin years ago. It is a great trip for the teams
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Re: Licking my wounds, here is my reaction to the Debacle in Dublin.
Aug 24, 2024, 7:31 PM
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DJ threw for around 70% and ten yards a completion. He wasn’t the problem
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Brett I think your insights and reaction is
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Aug 24, 2024, 7:32 PM
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Pretty dead on except for DJ. I predict he won’t be the QB when we play
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We have no back up ready
Aug 24, 2024, 7:38 PM
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Brock Glenn is the guy who started against Louisville and UGA last year as a true freshman. He has potential, but he ain't Trevor Lawrence coming in to win the starting job. He's not ready. 3rd team is a highly recruited true freshman. Barring injury to DJ, he will be redshirted.
It's DJs job. He will start against Clemson.
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DJ played exactly how I anticipated
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Aug 24, 2024, 7:41 PM
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Made some good throws, made some throws that WRs bailed him out, and made some throws that make you scratch your head.
The dude is not bad, but he’s just average, especially with his inability to get away from pressure.
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Ill say nothing bad to you. Youre the one good Seminole bret***
Aug 24, 2024, 7:43 PM
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Re: Licking my wounds, here is my reaction to the Debacle in Dublin.
Aug 24, 2024, 7:54 PM
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I have been on this board since the start of this board, even if my handle does not show it (I forget my first user name), and you are by far the classiest opposing fan that has been here.
Back in the day I used to be on here for hours, now it may be once per month, so I do not see as much these days, but you have always been a good dude.
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Re: Licking my wounds, here is my reaction to the Debacle in Dublin.
Aug 24, 2024, 7:56 PM
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Spot on with your analysis but it’s only one game that honestly could have gone the other way if the GT quarterback had not recovered the fumble. A lot of football left.
GO TIGERS!!!!
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Re: Licking my wounds, here is my reaction to the Debacle in Dublin.
Aug 24, 2024, 8:29 PM
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I don't want to pile on at all. I will just say, DJU is a freaking disaster. He is not good enough to start at Woodford.
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Hollywood DJ
Aug 24, 2024, 8:44 PM
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Should never have been recruited to Clemson!!! He was never a solid player …. And he never will be!
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Re: Licking my wounds, here is my reaction to the Debacle in Dublin.
Aug 24, 2024, 8:44 PM
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That is the story on DJ though. Average to good but very rarely great. You're just not going to be a playoff team with him starting most likely.
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Re: Licking my wounds, here is my reaction to the Debacle in Dublin.
Aug 24, 2024, 9:04 PM
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You're a good fan and a welcomed voice here IMHO bretfsu®. It's always nice to be able to get your informed opinion of both FSU and Clemson. Honest analysis and feedback is essential for improvement, bear in mind this was a small and unique sample size.
Do you know why DJ switched to #4, btw? I've been scouring his X and the interweb...
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Re: Licking my wounds, here is my reaction to the Debacle in Dublin.
Aug 24, 2024, 9:09 PM
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After our performance in last year's Duke game, nobody on this board should give you hard time.
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Re: Licking my wounds, here is my reaction to the Debacle in Dublin.
Aug 24, 2024, 9:06 PM
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Good analysis. FSU isn’t dead but I doubt they will be in Charlotte. DJ looked good on that last drive. Best of luck to y’all this year
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No personal shots Bret. FSU is who we thought they were.
Aug 24, 2024, 9:19 PM
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I think we were all waiting to see which version of DJU was going to show up. It is clear that he is just not a capable Power 5 quarterback. He is no better now than when he played at Clemson. It is not a coaching issue but rather a talent issue. He did better in the OR state system because he could run more and throw a bunch of screen passes. His downfield passes today were over or under thrown or even out of bounds. FSU also got beat in the trenches today. Tech has a good OLine. Just my $0.02.
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Re: No personal shots Bret. FSU is who we thought they were.
Aug 24, 2024, 9:24 PM
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Which version of DJ?
I’ve only seen one version throughout his college career.
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To me, the storyline should be that Georgia Tech is a good football team.
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Aug 24, 2024, 9:24 PM
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It’s easy for people to assume that FSU isn’t as good as advertised, but I think it’s more likely that Georgia Tech is a lot better than people thought.
I won’t be surprised to see GT in the top 25 this year. That is a solid football team.
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Re: Licking my wounds, here is my reaction to the Debacle in Dublin.
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Aug 24, 2024, 9:46 PM
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At least you're not licking your wounds in Ireland.
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Re: Licking my wounds, here is my reaction to the Debacle in Dublin.
Aug 24, 2024, 10:00 PM
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Another L or 2 Big Dave will throw Norvell, FSU fan base the band the state under the bus it's a matter of time.
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Re: Licking my wounds, here is my reaction to the Debacle in Dublin.
Aug 24, 2024, 9:59 PM
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In this era of CFB the QB has to make plays to win the game against any team with a pulse. Haynes King made plays and by not making plays DJU cost you the game. The days where you can win with a game manager QB who makes no interceptions or fumbles but doesn’t really make big plays are probably gone.
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Re: Licking my wounds, here is my reaction to the Debacle in Dublin.
Aug 24, 2024, 10:07 PM
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I agree. Can’t just have a pulse at QB that won’t lose games. Need a QB that can take over and win games and change momentum. DJ isn’t that.
We will see this season if Cade has improved and if he has things will be good. If he also is just a guy that doesn’t lose games we are in trouble.
Early indications are Cade is better and more comfortable, I am excited to see the potential of our offense.
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Re: Licking my wounds, here is my reaction to the Debacle in Dublin.
Aug 24, 2024, 10:04 PM
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I won’t take any shots. I just feel you guys ran the ball great early, but GT decided to shut that down and put it on DJU. And while he played a decent game, he was not able to get it done. I don’t mean to be too critical of a Clemson grad, but DJ is FAR inferior to Jordan Travis.
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Orange Blooded [4679]
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Here is the problem on offense
Aug 24, 2024, 10:23 PM
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GT brought 7-8 guys in the box & dared dj to beat them with his arm and he couldn’t do it
Hey’s got to throw 350 yards against a scheme like that
Defense - FSU is in big trouble. That DL got manhandled
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