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Thoughts on "free agency" AKA "transfer portal"
Dec 5, 2023, 10:52 AM
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Do you agree with this new reality or do you disagree with how college football has changed ??
I love college football, but it is changing so much, especially at the highest levels, that it is morphing into a NFL preparatory league. It has always been that way, but not financially. Now that the money is in play, the landscape is redefined and a new age is here. The NCAA has allowed it to happen so it is not going to change.
Just interested in how you all feel about pro aspects of sports reaching into the collegiate level.
Go Tigers!!
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Re: Thoughts on "free agency" AKA "transfer portal"
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Dec 5, 2023, 10:55 AM
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It doesn't even resemble college football anymore. It's disgusting and is very close to losing a lot of long-time fans, I think.
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Good thing the playoffs expand to 12 teams
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Dec 5, 2023, 10:57 AM
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Otherwise the SEC could just cherry pick the best players in the ACC by saying "Come here and you can win a national championship."
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And you think that will change with 12 team playoff?
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Dec 5, 2023, 11:05 AM
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How adorable. 🙄
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Yes.
Dec 5, 2023, 11:20 AM
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But I can count to 12 without taking off my shoes.
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Re: Good thing the playoffs expand to 12 teams
Dec 5, 2023, 1:34 PM
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I hope you are right. But honestly I think once the automatic 6 conference champs are in the next 6 will be the top ranked SEC and B1G teams. Arguably that may be more egregious than the current model!
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transfer rules have always existed. The transfer
Dec 5, 2023, 11:00 AM
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portal is a new way of doing stuff that has always been done.
the biggest difference now is
1) they used COvid to get rid of the sit out rule
2) NIL makes it more attractive
if the schools had any sort of spine they could maybe get rid of #1 which would slow the amount of transfers but #2 is here to stay..
the supreme court officially , unofficially made college football the NFL preparatory league when they upheld the NFL's 3 yr rule and officially stated the schools have NO control over when, where, and how much a kid can make.
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Re: Thoughts on "free agency" AKA "transfer portal"
Dec 5, 2023, 11:03 AM
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It's just the new landscape of college football and let's not act like money hasen't always been involved in amature sports. I do however think the transfer portal needs to be limited. You get one transfer without penalty then any transfers after that the player forfeits a year of eligibility. Again, it's the new way of operations and if you don't adapt you'll get left behind.
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It's the inevitable result of the NCAA...
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Dec 5, 2023, 11:04 AM
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...deciding 50+ years ago that the role of college football and basketball was to be the minor league for the NFL and NBA.
After the transition is complete, players will become employees of the teams they play for and there will be rules and regulations.
But, as of now, it is the wild, wild west.
How it will all shake out is still uncertain. But, it will shake out where the athletes are earing salaries and academics will be even less important than they are now.
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Re: Thoughts on "free agency" AKA "transfer portal"
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Dec 5, 2023, 11:06 AM
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It’s time for Dabo and Mack along with other coaches to speak up. This illegal contacting and offering players money needs to stop.
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Re: Thoughts on "free agency" AKA "transfer portal"
Dec 5, 2023, 2:19 PM
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I agree that it is ruining the sport the way it is now. There needs to be some control. Only one transfer allowed without losing a year. With the NIL at least 50% should be put into some kind of holding fund until the players career is complete. Possibly even some kind of sharing where a % goes to other players on the team since they have a part in an NIL recipients success. Could avoid a lot of team jealousy.
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Re: Thoughts on "free agency" AKA "transfer portal"
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Dec 5, 2023, 11:16 AM
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It's been moving toward a semi-pro / NFL Minor League for years. But like everything with CFB, it's moving at a glacial pace. The introduction today by NCAA Pres. Baker to break away with a new division is just another step.
All of it is good for college football. You either hop on board the change train, or get off. And if you get off, you're leaving your school behind too.
My issue is the NIL "trusts" or whatever they are called. Asking fans to pay their money so the school can pay players is not the way to go. Smaller schools with smaller alumni bases will fall off because they won't be able to compete with the Ohio States, Floridas, Texases, USCs, etc. The bigger your alumni base, the better you will be (unless legislation changes things).
So I am worried about Clemson in the long run. For now, we're OK. But if things don't change for us int he next 10-15 years, I feel like we'll be relegated in some form or fashion.
Ultimately, having 130 teams competing for the same championship is stupid anyway, especially when we know every year that 10-15 are really capable of winning it. And it's the same 15 teams every year. New Mexico and Tulane and Kent State simply will never play for a championship at this level.
IMO, what needs to happen is take the top 30 or so teams (Bama, UGA, FLA, OSU, OU, Texas, Clem, FSU, etc. etc.) and form an "NFL-like" league. The next 30-35 teams (NC St, SCar, Miss St, Kansas, Arizona, etc. etc.) and form a drop-down league. Incorporate Relegation between the two leagues. We all know what that looks like, it's just up to someone to create it.
Finally do the same thing with the next 60-65 teams - create 2 leagues with relegation so that teams in the Sun Belt, AAC, CUSA, Mtn West, and MAC can have their championship aspirations.
Don't know if we'll ever get there, especially in our lifetimes, but that's where it feels like we're headed. Again, at a glacial pace.
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Re: Thoughts on "free agency" AKA "transfer portal"
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Dec 5, 2023, 11:23 AM
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This may sound a bit trite, but when it comes to how I "feel" about all this has it's roots back in 1992. That was the first Olympics with the "Dream Team". They were the answer to the question of "why are we not sending our best players of a sport to the Olympics?" All the other countries (especially the competitive ones) had what amounted to professional athletes. The idea of the Olympics being an amateur competition was a myth. But we loved the myth. We loved the idealistic view that people can compete for the pure love of the sport. But some wanted the reality of the competition. And we were granted that wish. So much so now that we are bored with it. We win, they win. Who cares? The luster has worn off the spectacle.
We are also in love with the myth of college football. On this forum, as on all the others, we continue to lament the demise of college football. NIL, the transfer portal and the latest, the CFP committee. I have seen very little posted as to what we loved about college football. Only those things that have been left unchanged.
We were sold on the idea that we must have some type of playoff system. We must have a TRUE national champion not one chosen by the pollsters. (I challenge anyone to tell me how today is any different from that.) And that somehow expanding it to 12 teams is going to improve that situation. It won't. It will only give us new things to complain or brag about.
We were sold on the idea about how unfair it is to these "kids" to have to sit out a year when transferring. And how unfair it is that these "kids" have nothing while the institutions are getting rich on their backs. All we can do now is complain about how those two things have ruined the sport we love while at the same time agreeing that it was a necessary step and continues to be in order to remain competitive.
"you say to today's youngsters 'here is your opportunity' and today's youngsters say 'where is the money' - Casey Stengle C1963.
So I feel the the myth that I was so in love with is gone. My eyes opened to the reality of college football as it exists today. The luster has worn off the spectacle.
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Re: Thoughts on "free agency" AKA "transfer portal"
Dec 5, 2023, 11:37 AM
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And how has the worked out for the Olympics? I stopped watching them shortly after they did what you said. It no longer had the spirit of the struggling amateur athlete.
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Re: Thoughts on "free agency" AKA "transfer portal"
Dec 5, 2023, 11:42 AM
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I suppose HS teams should give a cut of admissions ticket proceeds to the players? What about T-Ball teams? I saw an advertisement for Subway attached to the fence. In the outfield there were signs for Buick, Coca-Cola, and a realtor (with their uniformed child on the poster)..my kid is no longer an amateur and needs to be paid to play T-Ball!
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Re: Thoughts on "free agency" AKA "transfer portal"
Dec 5, 2023, 11:24 AM
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It gives more opportunity and choice to the players so i like it even though it might not be best for my team.
Im certainly not about to tell a kid to stay here if they think they have it better somewhere else.
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Re: Thoughts on "free agency" AKA "transfer portal"
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Dec 5, 2023, 11:35 AM
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It will come full circle when a kid comes into practice one day and the coach tells him to pack his bags. You no longer attend school here you go to UCLA. Free agency has a demonstrable cost to teams and sooner or later they are going to argue that players are no different than coaches. Hire and fire at will.
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Re: Thoughts on "free agency" AKA "transfer portal"
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Dec 5, 2023, 12:02 PM
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I am all over the map on this.
Colleges brought this on themselves decades ago when college football became more about making money than educating the people. We've all heard of players back in the day getting a college degree who could not even read after 4 years in college. This all leads to right now. Ivy League schools that kept their programs about education suck at football because you have to pass the academic standards to get into school outright...being able to play football is just a plus.
On the other hand, football programs today are not just about proceeds from the games and are about recruiting all manner of students and not just football players. Good spectator sports cultures lure students...tuition paying students. The player's pay has typically been about getting paid in a free education. In today's world that four-year free ride to Clemson is $140,000 for in-state and $254,000 for out-of-state. Gotta say I wish my daughter was getting paid $140K to attend Clemson
The problem really comes in a many forms. Coaches' pay got out of hand, TV money got out of hand, the NCAA limited scholarships so some kids are getting paid to play and others put in all the same work (practice and travel) and don't get paid anything. NIL was inevitable with the huge sums of money floating around.
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Re: Thoughts on "free agency" AKA "transfer portal"
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Dec 5, 2023, 1:13 PM
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You gotta stop with this “a free education should be enough” argument. No full scholarship student is putting in nearly the work, stress on their body and not to mention a product in the market like these athletes do.
The fact that you are okay with literally every other entity involved pocketing the profits except the players is just ridiculous. The amateur argument is dead when there are billions of dollars involved.
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Re: Thoughts on "free agency" AKA "transfer portal"
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Dec 5, 2023, 1:31 PM
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This is where we may have to agree to disagree. First, there is no such thing as a "free" education. someone pays. In this case, I assume it's IPTAY. Are they paying Clemson University $250K for every recruit outside the state of South Carolina? Are these kids taking up a chair in a classroom that could have otherwise gone to someone else? And let's not forget the training facilities and everything that goes with it. Someone pays for that.
Living in NC, I could not afford to send my children to Clemson. I would have to have taken out a truck load of loans to do that. And don't get me wrong, I love the place. Grew up 15 miles away. Have two degrees from that fine institution. But I can say without hesitation that a degree from Clemson is not worth $250K in loans. There's no program Clemson offers to get that kind of return on the investment. We can argue tuition costs on another forum, but that's the reality of it.
Let me ask this: Would you support Clemson regardless of who is on the field? If your answer is yes, then the players are ENTITLED to nothing. The individual on the field is NOT what draws your support.
I agree with Saban (lord help me) and Reggie Bush (which started most of this mess). The university gets money for a jersey that says Clemson on it. If that jersey has the players name on it, that player IS ENTITLED to a piece of that. That, by definition, is name image and likeness. Their picture used in their media, a cartoon of them drawn for the program. That's NIL. That is where this should have stopped.
To say, or allude to the fact the one or two players are the sole reason that a team gets on TV, goes to a bowl or even wins a national championship is just not accurate. There's lots of people behind that. Lots of people that have already paid and are being paid.
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Re: Thoughts on "free agency" AKA "transfer portal"
Dec 5, 2023, 5:39 PM
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> To say, or allude to the fact the one or two players are the sole reason that a team gets on TV, goes to a bowl or even wins a national championship is just not accurate. There's lots of people behind that. Lots of people that have already paid and are being paid.
If that's your assessment of my argument then sure, i'll agree to disagree, good lord.
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