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TNET: The Transfer Portal: It's a 'nightmare' and necessity for Dabo Swinney, Mack Brown
Dec 1, 2022, 12:20 PM
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I'm just here for the comments....
Dec 1, 2022, 12:27 PM
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Pass the popcorn, dude . . .
Dec 1, 2022, 4:14 PM
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I'm right there with ya!
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Orange Blooded [2361]
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Mack Brown gets it.
Dec 1, 2022, 12:28 PM
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Who’s in charge of the portal at Clemson? Danny Pearman? If so, that speaks volumes.
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This morning Plyler said that we were expecting to have
Dec 1, 2022, 12:31 PM
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several players transfer at the end of the season.
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Wouldn't be shocked to see ANY offensive skill player leave
Dec 1, 2022, 12:59 PM
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Re: Wouldn't be shocked to see ANY offensive skill player leave
Dec 1, 2022, 2:16 PM
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Forget using the Portal to nab players. USE IT TO GET NEW COORDINATORS!!!
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Re: Wouldn't be shocked to see ANY offensive skill player leave
Dec 1, 2022, 4:20 PM
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Who are the top 5 most likely offense players that you think will hit the portal?
If those top 5 are not skill players, then what are your top 5 skill players that you think will hit it?
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Re: This morning Plyler said that we were expecting to have
Dec 1, 2022, 1:03 PM
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I hope we offer low level high school recruits instead of looking for someone in the portal. I would hate to give a scholarship to someone that would have an immediate impact next year over someone that needs 2-3 years to develop, and may end up transferring anyways.
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Orange Elite [5213]
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its been obvious that players will transfer every year......
Dec 1, 2022, 5:21 PM
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We can NOT continue to let the transfer portal be a one-way street. Roster Management Failure. We lack quality depth at numerous posotions....as seen on Saturday. This stems from stubbornness not wanting to change. It doesn't have to be this way. Subtle changes. The same players you are trying to protect are bailing on you. Mack has it 1000% correct here. We need to back-fill slightly like BAMA (agree wholeheartedly with Dabo that the roster should be built mainly with HS kids) AND also offer slightly more HS kids. Gotta be a bit more flexible.
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Re: its been obvious that players will transfer every year......
Dec 1, 2022, 10:55 PM
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Yes! Can't lose a player that's been in the system for a couple years and replace them with a high school player that will more than likely redshirt. You are losing that players ability to help the team for a year or 2, it's a very crappy way to manage your roster. One of the few things that drives me nuts with Dabo!
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Probably the biggest incentive to coach in the NFL…
Dec 1, 2022, 12:34 PM
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It would seem the NFL has more rules & contracts in place to control the rosters from year to year.
With the very narrow window for failure in college coaching, this transfer portal has amplified that volatility.
At some point, great college coaches, like CDS, may just punt on college football all together and go to the NFL.
Nice work NCAA! As normal, you’ve really screwed it up this time.
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Re: Probably the biggest incentive to coach in the NFL…
Dec 1, 2022, 1:57 PM
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What makes you think any NFL team would hire Dabo to be the head coach? NFL teams very rarely look at the college ranks, and it's usually because there's someone with a particular ability that's prized in the NFL. Dabo's strengths would translate extremely poorly to the NFL, especially since he'd never be allowed to do his nepotism and "my way or the highway" philosophy he has. Those owners would show him the highway if he didn't immediately produce. They're not very interested in his "culture."
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Re: Probably the biggest incentive to coach in the NFL…
Dec 1, 2022, 3:46 PM
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Dabo would have the same success in NFL that blabbering Lou Holtz had.
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This article should’ve been written here 3-4 years ago
Dec 1, 2022, 12:40 PM
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We’re now in reactive mode and not pro active regarding the portal. ……better late than never if he chooses to do it.
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Re: This article should’ve been written here 3-4 years ago
Dec 1, 2022, 1:12 PM
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Theres a message Swinney says over and over and over. "It's how you respond to adversity". The transfer portal is that adversity he is facing (one of many right now), so we'll see how he responds. The rest of the sport will be moving on, will we move with them or swim against the current? Look, we got beat by our in state rivalry and they beat us thanks to the transfer portal. Florida State is on the cusp of "being back" all because of the transfer portal. Southern Cal is in the playoffs thanks to the heavy use of the transfer portal. I know Swinney is all about developing and bringing in kids that are a fit for our program, but you can still do that with the portal. He says when he brings in a player from the portal and starts them, what does that say to the kids in the locker room? I think it says "work harder! We brought them in and it could have been and still could be your job!"
It's not a matter of debate or morals at this point. The portal is here, and its either sink or swim now.
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"Southern Cal is in the playoffs thanks to the heavy use of the transfer portal"
Dec 1, 2022, 2:50 PM
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Ummm... they gotta win the Pac-12 championship 1st...
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Re: This article should’ve been written here 3-4 years ago
Dec 1, 2022, 11:00 PM
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Not sure if Clemson is going to be able to compete with Southern California for top dollar high end free agents such as Caleb Williams and Jordan Addison. If we could have recruited those two under the radar and signed them as Southern California did, I wager we would be undefeated now with Williams and Addison starting. Just those two people would have made a difference but I don’t think we have the boosters or the money to go out and do that. Southern California is going to have the Hollywood money and the Los Angeles connections to pick off the best players and Lincoln Riley has demonstrated that he is a sufficiently good offensive coach to make that work. And eventually they will hire a high-level defensive coordinator.
Do any of us really think that Clemson has the money to compete in a true free agent market as the one created with the transfer portal. We have managed to recruit well for incoming freshmen, but recruitment of players on other teams, and getting them to transfer in the southern California style, is not a skill I have seen in our current Clemson staff.
Is Danny Peerman going to be able to identify wide receivers, OL, DB’s to come in and replace our transfer losses and injury losses from the thousands misfit toys in the portal.
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Re: TNET: The Transfer Portal: It's a 'nightmare' and necessity for Dabo Swinney, Mack Brown
Dec 1, 2022, 12:49 PM
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Hopefully there is hint in there that Dabo is willing to adapt a bit. Ask Riley if you don't think it works! He's taking what would have been our playoff spot (had we shown up last week) with what, 19 Portal players.
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Some of those were also paid and paid highly (Jordan
Dec 1, 2022, 1:18 PM
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Addison - bought from Pitt). How much money you have matters in the free agency period, err, transfer portal window.
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As expected, using NIL as an excuse is already happening here.
Dec 1, 2022, 4:35 PM
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Poor Dabo, he coaches at poor ‘ol Clemson, with no money or opportunities to offer prospective players. He’s a victim of the professionalization of college athletics, and has no hope of competing.
What is our 2023 recruiting class ranked? Oh that’s right, it’s top 10 nationally.
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Re: As expected, using NIL as an excuse is already happening here.
Dec 1, 2022, 4:46 PM
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Yeah, but it could be higher if Dabo actually filled the allotted roster with bonafide schollie players. Having 8-10 walk-on player on schollie is dumb. Especially the likes of his kids and all the other coaches kids who could obviously pay for their schollies and still be on the team. Plus the family friends, the Daniel HS 2* players, etc getting schollies and not for 1yr, they all stay for full ride of 5yrs. Think how many elite players that would likely add up to over the years.
You get my point! Wasted opportunity to recruit additional players and even when 1-2 are open, he doesn't pluck from the portal. Another lost opportunity for an elite player. Poor roster mgmt has been catching up since we loose players to injury and portal as well.
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Re: TNET: The Transfer Portal: It's a 'nightmare' and necessity for Dabo Swinney, Mack Brown
Dec 1, 2022, 1:09 PM
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I wish the portal didn’t exist under the current rules of it….but, it does. Clemson is particularly vulnerable because we don’t bring in more players than we have scholarships to ultimately offer. We’ve got to play though, it’s the reality of things, just like the NIL. I would say it’s like free agency in the NFL, but it’s worse….at least NFL players have to honor contracts.
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It's free agency. And this is pro football.
Dec 1, 2022, 1:16 PM
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College football no longer exists.
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Dabo sez: "we're no different than anybody else..." um....
Dec 1, 2022, 1:32 PM
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.... the difference is in how you approch it and in your seemingly willingness to utilize it, compared to others. Dabo's and Mack Brown's take on this appear to be miles apart.
Dabo: "We'll see..."
Mack: "You have to..."
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Re: TNET: The Transfer Portal: It's a 'nightmare' and necessity for Dabo Swinney, Mack Brown
Dec 1, 2022, 1:34 PM
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Tired of discussing the transfer portal. Dabo appears to stubborn to use it while other teams are benefiting greatly. I am a big supporter of Dabo but we are way behind in this area.
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Re: TNET: The Transfer Portal: It's a 'nightmare' and necessity for Dabo Swinney, Mack Brown
Dec 1, 2022, 4:11 PM
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Hmm .. same answer as possibly giving Cade more playing time weeks ago …”Who knows”? Probably not ..
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Rattler beat us? Maybe part of it, but he didn't beat us.
Dec 1, 2022, 6:37 PM
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(thanks for making my point to my buddy about some of the posts that are popping up on TigerNet)
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Re: Rattler beat us? Maybe part of it, but he didn't beat us.***
Dec 1, 2022, 8:31 PM
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Re: TNET: The Transfer Portal: It's a 'nightmare' and necessity for Dabo Swinney, Mack Brown
Dec 1, 2022, 1:56 PM
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Another perfect reason that coaches make big bucks but have sleepless nights and live with Tums and Nexium.
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Re: TNET: The Transfer Portal: It's a 'nightmare' and necessity for Dabo Swinney, Mack Brown
Dec 1, 2022, 2:05 PM
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For $11.5 million a year, you'd think Dabo would adjust to the new reality.
Also, not to sound pedantic, but Hunter Johnson is a graduate transfer, something that existed long before the portal (and we had taken a couple). I wish writers wouldn't use him as an example of us using the portal, as if we are using the portal in the slightest meaningful way.
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I see where……
Dec 1, 2022, 2:28 PM
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DJ will hit the transfer portal in ‘23 headed to possibly UCLA or Fresno State….????
Go Tigers!!!! ?????
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Re: I see where……
Dec 1, 2022, 9:57 PM
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It will be UCLA. Already on instagram he and his brother in a package deal.
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Re: TNET: The Transfer Portal: It's a 'nightmare' and necessity for Dabo Swinney, Mack Brown
Dec 1, 2022, 2:32 PM
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I hate NIL, but I don’t see what’s so horrible about the portal. Guys get screwed over by coaching staff all the time. Why not let them transfer? Been reading about Ara Parseghian and the 1964 ND team. Johnny Huarte won the Heisman but didn’t have a letter jacket to wear for the photos. He was a senior who had never played. Everybody but the coaching staff could see he was awesome. Had Parseghian not been hired for 1964, he never would have played. (Back then, they could transfer but he was staying out of loyalty alone.) Burrows is the recent example. Why not give these guys a chance to play? What’s the problem with that?
At least we could go for more proven graduate transfers or proven upper class FCS transfers. Grownup OL guys from NDSU, SDSU etc. seem like a safer bet than HS kids most of whom never develop.
But DO NOT look at receivers are RB’s or QB’s from any college in the Greenville area. Let Furman keep them.
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Re: TNET: The Transfer Portal: It's a 'nightmare' and necessity for Dabo Swinney, Mack Brown
Dec 1, 2022, 2:32 PM
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I hate NIL, but I don’t see what’s so horrible about the portal. Guys get screwed over by coaching staff all the time. Why not let them transfer? Been reading about Ara Parseghian and the 1964 ND team. Johnny Huarte won the Heisman but didn’t have a letter jacket to wear for the photos. He was a senior who had never played. Everybody but the coaching staff could see he was awesome. Had Parseghian not been hired for 1964, he never would have played. (Back then, they could transfer but he was staying out of loyalty alone.) Burrows is the recent example. Why not give these guys a chance to play? What’s the problem with that?
At least we could go for more proven graduate transfers or proven upper class FCS transfers. Grownup OL guys from NDSU, SDSU etc. seem like a safer bet than HS kids most of whom never develop.
But DO NOT look at receivers are RB’s or QB’s from any college in the Greenville area. Let Furman keep them.
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Re: TNET: The Transfer Portal: It's a 'nightmare' and necessity for Dabo Swinney, Mack Brown
Dec 1, 2022, 4:01 PM
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I think the biggest problem Dabo has with the portal is that he will never recruit someone into it. He knows others are doing it because he’s seen his own players see other schools attempting to recruit them. Thus, the 10% of the hundreds (if not over 1000) players entering the TP that can immediately help the Tigers are not ever coming to Clemson unless we implement some NIL collective effort that would help them reconsider the school that recruited them into the portal. Here again Dabo would question the character of a player who’s moving in order to cash in.
Bottomline? Dabo has to get back to a staff that develops his high school recruits. His values are never going to be compatible with how the TP is currently working. It will be rare occurrence that he finds a player that provides immediate help and meets up to his requirements for character and program culture. I guess it really sucks to have principles that you won’t compromise.
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Dabo really should talk to Brownell about utilizing transfers.
Dec 1, 2022, 4:32 PM
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Brad has brought in some very good players via transfer who helped our team, and it didn’t hurt our team culture. He continues to graduate players at a high rate with good GPAs.
I know it’s a different sport, but Dabo and Brad are friends so maybe Brad could ease some of Dabo’s fears about it.
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The portal sucks***
Dec 1, 2022, 4:40 PM
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Re: The portal sucks***
Dec 1, 2022, 5:01 PM
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That, and I believe the people at the NCAA office has someone that works hard to find ways to end college sports. The older guys will draw unemployment as long as they can once it's over and done with!!!
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Re: TNET: The Transfer Portal: It's a 'nightmare' and necessity for Dabo Swinney, Mack Brown
Dec 1, 2022, 7:43 PM
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College football is a business! In business if you don’t adapt you go away! Bottom line is we are slow to adapt and it is starting to show
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Re: TNET: The Transfer Portal: It's a 'nightmare' and necessity for Dabo Swinney, Mack Brown
Dec 1, 2022, 10:43 PM
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I think you have to be stubborn to be a good coach - look at Danny Ford for example! And Dabo certainly fits that mold where he does not want to give up on his players or coaches or system (and that is not entirely a bad thing - to a point) in the face of so much evidence that a change is needed. Sort of reminds me of Joe Gibbs II with the Redskins when he refused to incorporate the shotgun offense. 31 teams were wrong and he was right I guess. He did incorporate it finally but it was basically too late as the game had passed him by so he went back to racing cars.....and making plenty of money so don't cry for Joe!
I sure hope we evolve before its too late! Otherwise let's just go D-3 and take scholarships out and recruit only people with impeccable character who only want to play ball for 4 years in one place (with no money) and want to graduate. We've done well but I don't know that we will continue to find enough 4- and 5-stars to compete at the highest level and we sure have not shown lately that we can develop anyone (at least skill players) to do it that way.
I just hope we somehow can get past UNC and at least claim another ACC Title!
Go Tigers!
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Sounds to me like Mack Brown may be pushing kids to the portal
Dec 1, 2022, 11:07 PM
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"And what we've got to is if we lose a second team player because he's not playing well, and we can get a transfer portal starter in to strengthen that position, then we're a better team next year.”
Why would a second te player "that isn't playing well" enter the portal. Sounds like a Kirby smart type deal where Mack is taking scholarships to give to transfers.
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