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Heisman Winner [138351]
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All-TigerNet [13190]
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Did not read
Jun 26, 2015, 3:06 PM
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Assume we are going to tap into the electricity created by the friction from all the ghey sex going down now. Am I correct?
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110%er [9107]
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LOL...
Jun 26, 2015, 3:12 PM
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there's no sex after marriage.
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All-TigerNet [13190]
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I've been doing it wrong then
Jun 26, 2015, 3:13 PM
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My bad.
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Oculus Spirit [78876]
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Does the wife know?***
Jun 26, 2015, 3:23 PM
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She's usually asleep when it happens***
Jun 26, 2015, 3:24 PM
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Oculus Spirit [78876]
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Nice to meet you Mr. Cosby.***
Jun 26, 2015, 3:26 PM
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All-TigerNet [13190]
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Hi
Jun 26, 2015, 3:29 PM
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Oculus Spirit [94279]
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Insightful and correct.***
Jun 26, 2015, 3:14 PM
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SC just changed their metering laws concerning solar...
Jun 26, 2015, 3:11 PM
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Good business opportunity.
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Which change are you referring to?***
Jun 26, 2015, 3:51 PM
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Oculus Spirit [94279]
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That pretty much puts the carbon crisis on hold.
Jun 26, 2015, 3:15 PM
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Don't tell me the pubs were right again.
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Need to reread.***
Jun 26, 2015, 3:17 PM
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Oculus Spirit [94279]
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I'm predicting a global temperature about the same...
Jun 26, 2015, 3:30 PM
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as in the garden of eden for man's last thousand years. No rain for lack of changing temperatures. Water vapors will filter the sun's ray keeping a moderate temp of 70-75 degrees, night to day. That will make deserts and northern tundra productive. That's where the Florida and Cali folks need to relocate.
According to the article it's too late to prevent (as I expected) so it shouldn't be a problem with my continued help. Don't wait, buy desert property now and settle economic issues for posterity.
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Now that's a logical reply.... Adaptation. However, these
Jun 26, 2015, 3:33 PM
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people that don't think it's getting warmer... well...
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14 of the last 15 years... hottest on record. Get back in
Jun 26, 2015, 3:21 PM
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the freezer...
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"on record" hahahaha***
Jun 26, 2015, 3:23 PM
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CU Medallion [73569]
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how many times have they changes their models as well.
Jun 26, 2015, 3:27 PM
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if you dont get what you expect, change the formula. lol
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Oculus Spirit [94279]
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I don't plan to be here a billion years from now. I'm just
Jun 26, 2015, 3:36 PM
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looking at the the next 15 or so for me... and beyond for my son.
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Oculus Spirit [94279]
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Re: I don't plan to be here a billion years from now. I'm just
Jun 26, 2015, 6:51 PM
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That was reference to the short time we've been taking temperatures and record the results. Divide billions by 120 and tell us how big the sample size really is.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/05/100507101912.htm
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I, frankly, don't give a darn about somebody's "sample size"
Jun 26, 2015, 7:18 PM
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I've been here closing in on six decades. I know what I know. I don't need stats. As to using billions as a baseline, that's without question ABSURD. I'm not a 'degreed' statistician but surely you know better... As to the calculus, definitely some acceleration...
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Re: What % of your net income will you invest in these***
Jun 26, 2015, 3:16 PM
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thats a lot of reflective heat
Jun 26, 2015, 3:20 PM
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shouldn't we be worried about that?
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All-In [47913]
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Global warming is a fact.
Jun 26, 2015, 3:22 PM
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and the earth won't cool until more Democrats are in office.
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So it's strictly a political issue... Ignore the facts.***
Jun 26, 2015, 3:31 PM
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actually you are ignoring the facts
Jun 26, 2015, 3:47 PM
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oh and the made up stats by your comrades who have been caught numerous times fudging the data.
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My "comrades"... I don't know where you live, but I don't
Jun 26, 2015, 3:56 PM
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need ANY stats to know it's been getting increasingly hotter, sooner and longer, over the last decade. As far as the numbers, you can spew the conservative slant (corporate crap) all day long and you won't change anything other than your AC bill.
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CU Medallion [73569]
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corporate, ya i got so many connections to these big
Jun 26, 2015, 4:01 PM
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corporate evil companies.
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So you're just a minion to their propaganda...?***
Jun 26, 2015, 4:04 PM
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Oculus Spirit [97932]
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Yeah, and there was no internet and they still had phone
Jun 26, 2015, 3:36 PM
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booths in 2015 (and flying cars) and no cell phones of flat screen TV's according to the guys who wrote Back to the Future 2 back in the 80's.
Someone may master fusion in the next 50 years and electricity will no longer be an issue. Who knows.
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Some truth in this, but a whole lot more wishful thinking...
Jun 26, 2015, 3:59 PM
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also the graph in section 2 in a bit misleading. It's a plot of the additional GW capacity and not actual generation. A GW of wind capacity is by no means the same as a GW of coal/nuclear/nat gas capacity. The capacity utilization of all renewable is a faction of that of fossil fuels.
Also, that's a graph of additions, not total in use. If that was a graph of installed capacity, you wouldn't hardly be able to distinguish the color of each renewable, as they would be so small versus the fossil fuels.
I'm not saying that renewables won't keep increasing (I hope they do 'cause I make $ off of it), but they simply aren't going to displace fossil fuels in our lifetime, unless there is some technology break through that we can't currently imagine.
On the topic of roof-top solar, there big problem developing at the moment between roof-top solar users, the local utilities, and the state regulators. I sat on a panel this past week at a utility metering conference in which that was one of the topics. Essentially, everyone wants to still be able to buy power from the grid when they need it, but don't want to pay for it under the current rate structures. The $/kWh way of billing is going to have to change with some kind of flat infrastructure component and that's going to be a huge change for the utility industry, etc...
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Billing structure...? Could you elaborate? Thanks.***
Jun 26, 2015, 4:02 PM
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Yes, residential rates are based on usage only....
Jun 26, 2015, 4:57 PM
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(in general there are rare exceptions and sometimes tag-on's for large capital projects like nuclear power plants). When you get your bill, the amount you pay is based on the kWh's you used during the billing period. Commercial and industrial rates are normally different and typically contain demand charges (based on peak demand) and sometimes penalties for power-factor.
So...if an appreciable number of residential customers put on roof-top solar, they will not be paying nearly as much to their utility in usage/kWh charges. HOWEVER, when the sun isn't shining, they are still going to want to be able to buy electricity from the utility. So the utility needs to install and maintain essentially the same infrastructure, but with a lot less revenue coming in.
That will force the state regulators to allow the utilities to revisit the way we pay for electricity and it becomes very complicated on a number of fronts, including billing, system planning, generation planning, distribution and transmission design, and on and on.
I don't see anyway around the utility having to charge folks with solar roof-top a certain "connect" charge that they have to pay, even if they don't use a single kWh in a month...assuming they want to be connected to the grid and get electricity from it when they need it. That connect charge is being fought aggressively by solar manufactures, because it changes (potentially dramatically) the economics of what they're selling.
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Thank you for such a clear explanation. I've previously
Jun 26, 2015, 5:11 PM
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read about peak/off-peak dilemma and somewhat understand the conundrum. Storage, or lack there of, is probably the biggest variable in the the whole situation. Household off-peak usage should be somewhat consistent to the point of being a known variable, other than unpredictable extreme weather. Are you familiar with Clemson's "Indigo Pine" Solar Decathlon project?
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solar is not just impacted by extreme weather....
Jun 26, 2015, 5:29 PM
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cloud cover has a big impact, not to mention seasonal changes.
Even though there have been strides made on the storage side, in reality, we're no where close to an affordable/workable mass storage solution. Even storage on the micro level is not there for a true off-grid option.
Frankly, mass solar generation sites make a lot more sense, from the grid-perspective, than residential distributed generation.
And I didn't even mention the impact on lineman safety. There are a large number of solar panels being put up on homes without the proper isolation switch to the utility's connection. More and more linemen are getting hurt when they think the line is dead...only to be backfed from a residential solar panel somewhere. It will get to the point pretty soon that laws will come down that state that the utility will have to inspect residential solar panel installs before they are connected. This is done indirectly in some places depending on if the utility has to put a bi-directional or net meter at the house.
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So the isolation switch is beyond the meter or between the
Jun 26, 2015, 5:42 PM
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meter and the panel? A disconnect seems basic. As to the cloud cover issue, that depends on the type of panels used. I still think that a considerable reduction in cost for residential applications is needed for any widespread acceptance. I agree as to mass generation for the present but I do see the possibilities of the residential in the future.
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The impact of cloud cover does not depend on the panel...
Jun 26, 2015, 5:58 PM
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some may do better in lower solar levels than others, but they're all impacted. "physics is physics"
Yes, the isolation is between the panel where the solar panel ties in and the utility connection. Utilities have begun having this as an automated throw-over switch with a manual back-up/by-pass.
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Switching sounds straight forward. As to the panels, I'm
Jun 26, 2015, 6:36 PM
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familiar with the cloud-cover variations and the less than optimal results. Orientation is actually a bigger factor. Either way, I see onsite storage and off-peak metering as the two largest obstacles to adaptation. One is science... one is economics.
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What is off peak metering?***
Jun 26, 2015, 9:47 PM
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