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TNET: Inside Clemson's settlement with the ACC: What does it mean for the Tigers?
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Inside Clemson's settlement with the ACC: What does it mean for the Tigers?
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Awesome ! Now ACC merge with B12 !
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Mar 4, 2025, 1:02 PM
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Some YUGE markets there
2 Divisions, east and west.
No more cupcake games
You pretty much stay in your own Division with games in the other Division in place of the cupcake games, that would be 2 games a year
Championship game is between the winners of each Division
Remember, you heard it first on TigerNet !
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Re: Awesome ! Now ACC merge with B12 !
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Mar 4, 2025, 1:45 PM
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Bigger markets than New York, Boston, Miami, and Pittsburgh? And now Dallas and San Francisco too? Seems like we would have learned already how poorly a gauge 'market size' is for interest and relevance.
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Re: Awesome ! Now ACC merge with B12 !
Mar 4, 2025, 4:23 PM
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Agreed. Plus Atlanta, Charlotte, and I would include Washington, DC (with UVa and Va Tech influence in the DC area). Maybe even Chicago if we count Notre Dame, who is an ACC member except for football but plays 5 games a year vs. ACC teams in football.
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Re: Awesome ! Now ACC merge with B12 !
Mar 4, 2025, 6:32 PM
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ND's exact reason for not including their FB program as a part of any conference was so that a conference couldn't claim any share of the money that they know their FB can bring into the school every year, so if you're the ACC can claim any part of the revenue that ND makes from their FB program then think again bc it ain't happening. Plus all of their homes are paid through their NBC contract that they themselves negotiated and they don't intend to give up a single cent of that money...
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Re: Awesome ! Now ACC merge with B12 !
Mar 4, 2025, 8:11 PM
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The ACC pretty much is East Coast football, South to North. This settlement is a nice step also for some schools to decide just how much they want to play the premier football game in relation to their overall mission and other sports, and how best to plan for being competitive in the others without that pigskin mega check.
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Houston is YUGE, Phoenix is YUGE, Dallas area is YUGE, Denver kinda YUGE !
Mar 5, 2025, 1:49 PM
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And all manly States except for Colorado. Also, the merger would being in even more of Florida ... we get Cinninatti which brings in Southern Ohio and melts THE OSU domination. Last but not least. we get WVU whichb should have been in the ACC all along but the "they are not worthy" snobs killed that a decade ago. Nothing but synergy
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Re: Awesome ! Now ACC merge with B12 !
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Mar 4, 2025, 2:06 PM
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When the ACC carries on with Memphis,Tulane and USF after Clemson, FSU, Miami and UNC leave they can merge with the Big 12.
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Re: Awesome ! Now ACC merge with B12 !
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Mar 4, 2025, 4:46 PM
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When the ACC carries on with Memphis,Tulane and USF after Clemson, FSU, Miami and UNC leave they can merge with the Big 12.
Clemson and FSU aren't leaving for awhile.
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Re: Awesome ! Now ACC merge with B12 !
Mar 4, 2025, 6:26 PM
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TU for recognizing this.
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Re: Awesome ! Now ACC merge with B12 !
Mar 5, 2025, 12:06 PM
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I like it so long as there are cuts! Too many duds in the ACC and new Big 12.
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So, if I understand correctly, it looks like
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Mar 4, 2025, 1:09 PM
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With this settlement, we spent $5 mil to agree stay in the conference for at least another 5 or 6 years, but being able to keep our media rights if (when) we leave is a huge concession from the conference, as is the annual deescalating GOR buyout, and the revenue sharing based on ratings. We got some good stuff out of it! I just hope we don’t get left behind by the B1G and SEC over the next 5-6 years. But the (distant) future looks bright! Go Tigers!
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Re: So, if I understand correctly, it looks like
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Mar 4, 2025, 6:38 PM
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In the next 5-6 years Clemson should be thinking about gathering up enough good teams through any means possible and form another conference with mostly power FB teams, a conference that could compete with the SEC and the Big 10 and just leave the ACC hanging with the she she teams that would be left...
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Re: TNET: Inside Clemson's settlement with the ACC: What does it mean for the Tigers?
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Mar 4, 2025, 1:12 PM
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So in other words… Clemson won their lawsuit. We got everything we wanted. The exit fee will become more and more affordable until 2031, and the Grant of Rights is effectively dead. We can keep our TV revenue whether we leave the conference today or 5 years from now.
Clemson wins the ACC again!!!
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Re: TNET: Inside Clemson's settlement with the ACC: What does it mean for the Tigers?
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Mar 4, 2025, 6:42 PM
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There was something in those contracts with the ACC and ESECPN that they didn't want anyone looking at other than themselves, it has to be for the conference to give up all they did to Clemson!!!
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Re: TNET: Inside Clemson's settlement with the ACC: What does it mean for the Tigers?
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Mar 4, 2025, 1:36 PM
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A sweet deal. No need to leave the ACC for now. Just win and get the revenue. Can pour more into NIL .
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Re: TNET: Inside Clemson's settlement with the ACC: What does it mean for the Tigers?
Mar 4, 2025, 6:28 PM
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As good a deal as we could have reasonably hoped to get.
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So the GoR is dead, correct?
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Mar 4, 2025, 1:52 PM
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If so that was the best 5 million Clemson could have ever spent!
Very glad to hear that!!
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The GoR is in the ICU on life support with two cardiologist waiting in OR1...
Mar 5, 2025, 1:59 PM
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for the mechanical heart which might last 5 or 6 years. They've called in the family to say goodbye to the patient.
"RIP, you old thief!"
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Happy to see this come to a beneficial close
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Mar 4, 2025, 1:58 PM
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Ready to focus on sports and put at least some of the noise behind us. Go Tigers 🐅
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Re: TNET: Inside Clemson's settlement with the ACC: What does it mean for the Tigers?
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Mar 4, 2025, 1:59 PM
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Seems like a win-win for the Tigers. If we stay at the level, we have been then we get close to what the other leagues are making. if the gap gets too wide, leaving in five years should be an easy move.
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Re: TNET: Inside Clemson's settlement with the ACC: What does it mean for the Tigers?
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Mar 4, 2025, 2:05 PM
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I just hope the ACC does not slant things towards the North Carolina schools. They have in the past.
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Re: TNET: Inside Clemson's settlement with the ACC: What does it mean for the Tigers?
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Mar 4, 2025, 2:10 PM
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Why would they? Their darling child UNC was spending money behind the ACC's back to figure out an exit too.
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Re: TNET: Inside Clemson's settlement with the ACC: What does it mean for the Tigers?
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Mar 4, 2025, 3:07 PM
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It will be important to find out the exact formula for the viewership brand metric. Will it be restricted to only ACC conference games? That would hurt those planning to bootstrap off of the ND and SEC non-conference games.
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Re: TNET: Inside Clemson's settlement with the ACC: What does it mean for the Tigers?
Mar 4, 2025, 8:35 PM
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Also home or away impact for OOC games. We'll have LSU with our home game ESPN deal but @ SCar will be a SECN game most likely.
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Re: TNET: Inside Clemson's settlement with the ACC: What does it mean for the Tigers?
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Mar 4, 2025, 3:18 PM
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why there is no mention of SMU, Stanford, Cal?
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Re: TNET: Inside Clemson's settlement with the ACC: What does it mean for the Tigers?
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Mar 4, 2025, 3:31 PM
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I believe that is because those three schools were not officially members of the conference at the time the suit was filed.
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Re: TNET: Inside Clemson's settlement with the ACC: What does it mean for the Tigers?
Mar 4, 2025, 3:34 PM
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I disagree with President Clements statement that it makes our conference stronger and saying the ACC is one of the strongest conferences. Where does he that from. Everyone knows it is #1 SEC than Bg10 than maybe the ACC. Clemson and FSU did get more but they caved in to the ACC and the ridiculous tenure of GOR.
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Re: TNET: Inside Clemson's settlement with the ACC: What does it mean for the Tigers?
Mar 4, 2025, 6:35 PM
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While the ACC as an overall conference has not gotten better, the top FB teams have gotten stronger.
I’d rather for Clemson to stay in the ACC, given the updated arrangement, than going to that flea market (the Big12).
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Re: TNET: Inside Clemson's settlement with the ACC: What does it mean for the Tigers?
Mar 4, 2025, 6:47 PM
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Be honest, you would rather Clemson to stay in the ACC if they would have gotten nothing more and everything remained as it was before the law suit...
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You're both right
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That's exactly what he meant; the ACC is 3rd in revenue & viewership, the two things that explicitly matter here & overall for what Clemson & FSU wanted.
It makes it "stronger," albeit only for sure in the short-term by adding clarity & stability for a few more seasons. It absolutely makes it worse for everyone else & makes it even less likely to have a breakout new team (so to speak) by nature, but I'm not sure that matters anymore.
I think the GOR was strong (remember, we were looking for loopholes nearly a full decade before these lawsuits even started) but they wanted to at least try to give some kind of option to make Clemson & possibly even FSU not guarantee leaving the league again. Remember, we were both going to the BIG12 in 2012. The ACC got us a new network, longevity & other things we asked for, & we consequently stayed. This is kinda the same thing, but in response rather than reaction (even if the outcome is unknown & perhaps even unlikely to keep them).
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Re: TNET: Inside Clemson's settlement with the ACC: What does it mean for the Tigers?
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Why do I feel like we got all juiced up over the last year to spread our wings and leave the ACC, only to end up with a “kiss from my sister”? I guess this is what happens when you have to get attorneys and the legal system involved? Still, I’m bummed . . .
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Re: TNET: Inside Clemson's settlement with the ACC: What does it mean for the Tigers?
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Now that we retain our media rights, we can give the middle finger to the ACC in about 5 years with very little pain with the declining GOR. Glad this thing is settled.
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Re: TNET: Inside Clemson's settlement with the ACC: What does it mean for the Tigers?
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So if our football team continues to perform as it has, including last year, they will bring significantly more money to Clemson. Maybe then some of the nattering nabobs of negativity on here will agree that Dabo is earning his salary. But they will probably just invent a new complaint.
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Re: TNET: Inside Clemson's settlement with the ACC: What does it mean for the Tigers?
Mar 4, 2025, 6:55 PM
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I just can't be convinced that anybody is worth a million a month salary for 12 months!!! If anyone believes that college head couches are worth a million per month, then they believe that NFL head coaches are worth 2 million a month, 24 million a year!!!
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Re: TNET: Inside Clemson's settlement with the ACC: What does it mean for the Tigers?
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If you cannot be convinced that Dabo Swinney is worth more than he is paid, you are uninformed about who Clemson was for the 20 years before Dabo. In the Dabo era he made Clemson the team with the third most wins in the nation over the last decade, with 7 appearances in the CFP, with winning records over the SEC and Big 10. That is not who Clemson was before Dabo. I suspect that you do not make much money and resent those who do. I hope you are young and will get wiser as you get older. If you are simply an older bitter person who who was not very successful I would not be surprised.
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Re: TNET: Inside Clemson's settlement with the ACC: What does it mean for the Tigers?
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Mar 4, 2025, 5:51 PM
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This looks like a win, win, win, win for the attorneys, Clemson, Florida State and the ACC. In the long run, North Carolina, Duke and Miami will greatly benefit too if they win in football and basketball.
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Seems unlikely
Mar 5, 2025, 10:32 AM
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Not to sound too cynical, but I'm not optimistic.
The ACC could have always thrived & became popular, but it didn't, perhaps likely because of Clemson's outright dominance for the first decade overall in this new contract after agreeing not to join the BIG12 with FSU.
In the meantime, while teams like Miami, Syracuse, GT & Louisville have had some forms of resurgence, it hasn't greatly affected their popularity the way we've seen for teams like Colorado, or Nebraska remaining popular in spite of their lack of competitiveness.
Now many of the most unpopular teams will make less money, be less enticing, & consequently very likely less competitive than ever. It's a fascinating balance (or imbalance, perhaps), & a consequence will be we'll now get a lot more readily-available information on viewership as it's so explicitly imperative & built into the contract amendments.
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Re: TNET: Inside Clemson's settlement with the ACC: What does it mean for the Tigers?
Mar 4, 2025, 5:52 PM
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Sounds like Clemson got it exactly what they wanted and the increased payout looks promising!
All around makes more sense. Definitely an opportunity for other schools to pick up the pace seeing they are just leaving money on the table. Will make the strong stronger though not sure what that may look like in 5-10 years. Just need to keep in the same area code as what the SEC and B1G are making. I could see some in those 2 conferences wanting a similar deal. Lot of ### suckers in both of those conferences as well.
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Yay! the lawyers win $$
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Well, I am glad we are staying in the ACC, at least for now. I still hate that Mammon dictates everything to do with supposedly the amateur sports of college, but I would rather be in the ACC than SEC or B1G.
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Re: TNET: Inside Clemson's settlement with the ACC: What does it mean for the Tigers?
Mar 5, 2025, 12:27 PM
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It means Clemson and FSU have until 2030 to negotiate a deal with another conference.
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Our signature and agreement is just as good as the FSWTC(FSU)! We are less trustworthy than Swofford!
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