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Ring of Honor [23002]
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By the way, can we please stop with the "10 win season" thing?
Dec 4, 2022, 2:45 AM
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I mean, back when you only played 11 or 12 games, 10 wins was quite an accomplishment. Not so much any more. Now you can go 10-4, lose to the 4 good teams on your schedule, and still claim a "10 win season". It just doesn't mean the same thing any more.
That's like what the Lamecocks used to do when they said Lou Holtz took them to "back to back New Years Day bowls". A pathetic attempt to elevate the Outback into the status of the traditional bigtime bowls played on NYD... the Rose, Cotton, Sugar & Orange. Just because the Outback Bowl was rescheduled to be played on January 1.
So just stop it already... a 10 win season doesn't mean what it used to, from a historical perspective.
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Gridiron Giant [15972]
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There’s a reason the only teams to have 10 wins with
Dec 4, 2022, 2:56 AM
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consistency are Bama and Clemson
If it were easier, there would be more than 2 doing what we are doing
Also, “back when you only played 11 or 12 games 10 wins was an accomplishment”
After 11 games
10-1
After 12 games
10-2 (12 game season)
So does this season mean something to you?
It does to me
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Ring of Honor [23002]
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I'm not saying 10 wins mean we sucked, I'm saying it doesn't
Dec 4, 2022, 3:15 AM
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mean what it used to. If you're old enough, and I am, unfortunately... a 10-win season pretty much meant that you were an elite team. But lets take a look at last year's final rankings... see all the teams with 10 wins or more? I think I stopped counting at around 25. Just simple math.. if you play more games, you can win 10 games a helluva lot easier.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/rankings/_/year/2021/seasontype/2
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Freshman [-74]
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Seasons used to be 11 games, and now they're 12.
Dec 4, 2022, 4:26 AM
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The "math" is one more gane per year. We have the 2nd longest stretch of 10 wins by anyone, ever. All FBS has that opportunity. There are (10) P5 programs with 10+ wins and (6) with 11+.
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Tiger Spirit [9424]
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Re: Seasons used to be 11 games, and now they're 12.
Dec 4, 2022, 8:05 AM
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Actually it’s one more regular season game against an inferior opponent, a conference championship game if you qualify and possibly another one more game if you win the first round of the playoffs. Max games in the good ole days -12. Max games in current cfp era - 15
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Freshman [-74]
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You're talking about teams who play conference championships.
Dec 4, 2022, 11:00 AM
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We won 10 in the regular season which is equivalent to winning 10 with a bowl from years past. Yes of course max games used to be 12, but we're talking about 10 wins in the regular season being achieved with only one extra game.
10-2 used to be the measuring stick. Last year we were 10-3 and 14th. You saying that's not an accomplishment because of playing one extra game? The winning 10 games threshold used to include a bowl game. So for us to achieve 11 wins in 13 games (85%) is actually better than 10 in 12 (83%).
Again, the thing is, even with it being "easier" per se, we have one of the 3 longest streaks ever. Three, ever. Every team in America has had the same opportunity. You can't minimize that.
Long story short is, 10 wins may not be exactly what it used to be (via having one more regular season game), but as it stands right now there are only (10) P5 teams with 10+ wins and only (6) with 11+. Plus our streak of 10+ puts us in extremely rare air.
So you're in the camp 10+ is somehow not important? 55 P5 teams and 119 FBS teams wish they had 10 wins right now.
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Ring of Honor [23002]
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OK, I'll play. How many of those 119 FBS teams you mentioned
Dec 4, 2022, 12:49 PM
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are Top 5-10 in terms of all the resources that our football program enjoys, plus a favorable schedule?
I'll hang up and not listen.
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Freshman [-74]
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It's about the same as the time you're referencing.
Dec 4, 2022, 1:37 PM
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Not sure what you're even getting at?
Does 10/12 = 10/12, or no?
It was your suggestion, friend. You suggested 10 wins doesn't mean as much, but then again we have one of tbe top 3 streaks OF ALL TIME.
Sure, there are 12 regular season games now instaed pf 11. So yeah, everyone has one more game to achieve the feat. With that said, does being one of the top 3 EVER not resonate with you? We were 10-2 after 12 games this year. Is that not the same as being 10-2 after 12 games 20 years ago?
If it's "easier' as you say, then why do only 12 of 131 FBS teams have 10+?? Only 10 P5 teams. You can't minimize that.
There are now 6 of 131 FBS teams with 11 wins. Is that good?
The most you say is that 10 wins isn't exactly what it used to be, but 10 wins is still rare air for FBS. We're one of 9% with 10 wins, and one of 5% with 11 wins. You can't minimize that.
Enjoy the 11 wins (and going), sir. It's silly to try and minimize that.
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Freshman [-94]
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You are proving his point!
Dec 4, 2022, 1:35 PM
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It has only happened three times with the streaks that we’re talking about and it’s right now! Clemson with Dabo, Florida State with Bobby Bowden, and Alabama with Nick Saban. What does that tell you? That it was almost impossible to do until rather recently. Until Tommy Bowden was coach at Clemson. So yes, it is a lot easier now! And I said the same thing a couple of years ago.
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Freshman [-74]
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You're contradicting yourself.
Dec 4, 2022, 1:42 PM
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In spite of it being "easier", we're among the top 3 ever. That doesn't by any stretch of the imagination validate that 10 wins is easy now. Every team in America plays under the same set of rules. Where are you confused here?
If 10 wins a year is "easy", then why had only 9% of the entire FBS accomplished that?
We have 11 wins, one team among 4.6%.
You dudes who are trying to hard to minimize what Clemson is doing and has done (again), what's wrong with you?
I mean a quick look at your post history shows you're only content when b!tching. Why is that, blue faddy?
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Ring of Honor [23659]
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Freshman [-94]
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Good Lord, some of you people aren’t very bright
Dec 4, 2022, 1:37 PM
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He’s proving how easy it is to win 10 games in a season. Go back 20 years ago and see how many teams won 10 games. You can count them on one hand.
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All-Pro [728]
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Re: Good Lord, some of you people aren’t very bright
Dec 4, 2022, 1:52 PM
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Yes, we get that, and we're saying without the conference championship and playoffs you dont see the +2-3 games past the normal 12 to have a chance at the 13-14 win seasons that you are inferring everyone has. You have to get to that point to have a shot at anything more that one win above years of old. If you dont go to a conference championship or the playoffs you have a shot at ONE extra win. so 11 wins is just as good now as it was before the CFP, and 10 wins in the regular season is exactly the same as 10 wins with just a bowl game years ago.
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Asst Coach [889]
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Re: There’s a reason the only teams to have 10 wins with
Dec 4, 2022, 9:24 AM
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Ohio State - 15 of the last 16 seasons have 10 wins
Georgia - 8 of the last 10
Oklahoma - 10 of the last 12
Not consistent. Okay...
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Tiger Titan [46614]
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This reinforces the OP’s point.
Dec 4, 2022, 8:50 AM
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It’s easier now, because there are more games.
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Freshman [-74]
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You're swinging and missing as usual.
Dec 4, 2022, 11:10 AM
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What part about "among the top 3 all-time) are you (faking) having trouble with.
Yes of course, its easier to get 10 wins in the regular season, but the 10 win level used to also be considered along with a bowl game. So a 10-2 in a 12-game regular season is on par with 10-2 what used to be 12 games with a bowl.
Let's break it down where we are right now.
The old 10-2 is 83%
We accomplished 10-2 this year, still 83%. So, 10-2 = 10-2, right? 10 wins in 12 games is 10 wins in 12 games, period.
And now we're 11-2, 85%. 85%>83%.
There are (10) of 65 P5 teams with 10+ and (6) with 11+. In your jealousy you can try to minimize the accomplishment, but then you'd be failing, as usual with your pathetic football trolling.
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Ring of Honor [23002]
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Well... look at the big brain on Brad. Yes, same thing as a
Dec 4, 2022, 11:27 AM
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"25 win season" in college basketball. Pretty impressive back when you played a 30 game schedule, right... a bit easier now, playing around 40 games. Sorta like NFL season statistics, compared to when they played 14 regular season games. Why is this so difficult to understand?
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Freshman [-94]
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People on here aren’t very bright.
Dec 4, 2022, 1:44 PM
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The fact that two of the three longest streaks ever are current streaks should tell these people everything they need to know. Frankly, it shows just how great Florida State was under Bobby Bowden. Because his streak was created when there were only 11 games per season for, if not all, most of his streak.
Nick Saban is a great coach, but Bobby Bowden is the best ever in college football. If there would’ve been the BCS or the playoffs when Bobby Bowden was coach at Florida State, he would have twice as many national championships as Nick Saban. And he built that program. Florida State was a nobody before Bobby Bowden. Nick Saban is just another great coach at Alabama. But he has had advantages that bear Bryant and others did not have.
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All-Pro [728]
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Re: By the way, can we please stop with the "10 win season" thing?
Dec 4, 2022, 3:09 AM
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I like how you point out how "it used to be" when 12 games was the norm. Guess what, if Clemson wasn't going to title games and Championships there wouldn't be opportunities to get to 13-14 wins. That might be a minor hiccup in your narrative. 11-2 now means just as much as 11-2 20 years ago. If its so easy show me another team with as many 10 win seasons in a row in the same time frame as Clemson that isn't named Alabama.
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Ring of Honor [23002]
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Orange Beast [6219]
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Re: By the way, can we please stop with the "10 win season" thing?
Dec 4, 2022, 3:33 AM
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10 is good. More is better.
Go Tigers
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Freshman [-74]
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There are only (10) P5 programs with 10+ wins, and (6) w/ 11+ wins
Dec 4, 2022, 4:18 AM
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We're in a small group of only 4.6% of FBS with 11+ wins.
I completely disagree with what you said.
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Orange Blooded [2278]
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Re: There are only (10) P5 programs with 10+ wins, and (6) w/ 11+ wins
Dec 4, 2022, 8:05 AM
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So what percentage has 10+ wins? I suspect that you didn't use that percentage because it didn't support your narrative. Keep in mind that any team with 9 wins has 1 more game unless they are on probation.
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Freshman [-74]
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There are only (12) FBS programs with 10+ wins.
Dec 4, 2022, 11:17 AM
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That's a whopping 9%.
Again, we achieved 10 wins in the regular season. That's 10 wins in 12 games. During the previous era, 10 wins was the barometer with a bowl game, i.e. 12 games.
10/12 = 10/12
We now have 11 wins. One of 6 FBS teams. That's a tiny 4.6% of ALL FBS teams.
What "narrative"??
Some of you folks seem really desperate to minimize a great season.
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All-Pro [728]
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Re: There are only (12) FBS programs with 10+ wins.
Dec 4, 2022, 1:42 PM
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Wish I could give this post more than one thumbs up.
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Orange Blooded [2278]
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Re: There are only (12) FBS programs with 10+ wins.
Dec 4, 2022, 3:49 PM
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I take it that math is not your strong suit. With a quick look at the top 25, there are 15 teams with 10+ wins and out of those 9 have 11+ wins. I am pretty sure that there are 132 teams. That means 11.4% have won at least 10 games and 6.8% have won 11 or more. There will be more than that after bowl season. There also might be a team or 2 with 10 wins in the G5 that are not in the top 25.
Yes, it has been a good year, but my standards are evidently higher than yours. By mine I am not minimizing a great year. You are trying to sugar coat a good year. If we beat Tennessee, and look good doing it, I will elevate my opinion to very good year, but great requires more.
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Orange Blooded [2992]
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10 win seasons will put your team very close to CFP's
Dec 4, 2022, 4:31 AM
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after 2024 even if you don't win your conference! While I am tired of hearing about 10win season like you, I think it's because we should have had 11-12 wins in same period so its super frustrating?
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Freshman [-74]
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"Tired of hearing about 10 win seasons"
Dec 4, 2022, 5:06 AM
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That's a riot. What's wrong with some of you?
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Ring of Honor [23002]
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Again, I'm not saying that 10 wins is horrible, I'm just saying that it
Dec 4, 2022, 4:32 AM
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doesn't mean what it used to. And I think coaches are being disingenuous with the "coach speak" when they throw stats like that at us, like we're too stupid to know the difference. But who can blame them? They're making millions, and I'm sure they never expected to be in that situation.
They're making more money than the average CEO of a large corporation, so I can understand why they'd be defensive and spin everything possible. I mean, if this football thing doesn't work out, it's not like they can fall back on that Electrical Engineering masters degree, right?
Anyway, I'm just tired of hearing the spin, and fans being talked down to, like we're idiots. And yeah, Dabo can bristle at a little criticism and threaten to take his ball and go home. Whoop de doo. Clemson University has been around since 1889, and it'll be here long after he's dead and gone.
Sorry, but I'm in a bad mood. And I need a drink. At 4:30 AM.
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Re: Again, I'm not saying that 10 wins is horrible, I'm just saying that it
Dec 4, 2022, 8:24 AM
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What did it USED TO MEAN and STILL MEANS? Only THREE programs have had 12 seasons or more of 10 win seasons. That number will go up slowly, even with the extra game, but it is an absolute measure of consistency. Opinions don’t change that.
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Tiger Titan [46614]
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Freshman [-74]
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LOL. Such a desperate troll.
Dec 4, 2022, 11:21 AM
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Tommy Bowden never reached 10 wins.
Having one of the three longest 10-win streaks ever shows what a trolling bozo you are.
Brad has two top-40 finishes in 12 years. That's far worse that Tommy Bowden was.
Troll.
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Associate AD [1049]
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It's still a HUGE feat
Dec 4, 2022, 4:38 AM
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If it were not a huge accomplishment and very difficult to do, we wouldn't be a such rare company to do so if it were not a big thing. Do you see Georgia on that list? How about Michigan, Ohio St., Penn St., ND, Miami, Florida, Southern Cal, Auburn, Tennessee, Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, LSU? No, no and no.
Why is that?
Because it is insanely difficult to be so consistently good that you can win 10 games for 12 straight years. Its hard to put together 12, 8 win in a row seasons. A 10 win season in and of itself is an accomplishment. Just to prove to you how tough 10 win seasons are to come by, I'll show you.
Number of 10 win seasons by program 2012 season to present.
Alabama 13
Auburn 2
LSU 8
Texas AM 1
UGA 8
TENN 1
Florida 4
Penn st 4
Ohio St 10
ND 7
USC 4
Mich 5
Florida st.5
Miami 1
Oklahoma 8
Oklahoma St 5
Oregon 5
Washington 4
Va tech 1
Mich St 5
Baylor 5
GT 0
MISS ST 1
NEBRASKA 1
NORTHCAROLINA 1
NCST 0
MISSISSIPPI 2
WISCONSIN 5
West Virginia 1
Of those do you know how many did not have at least 1 losing season during the same time? Alabama, Clemson, Ohio St, UGA, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St. That's it 6. 6 major programs have gone 2012 to present without a losing record in at least one season during 13 straight. A&M would have been there if not for 2022.
During our 2012 to present stretch the lowest win percentage was our 10-4 seasons which equates to a .769 win percentage. Do you realize a head coach with a .769 win percentage for that stretch is almost a shoe in for the College football all of fame.
Winning is tough. Winning consistently is really tough. To downplay a streak like this is downright laughable.
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Ring of Honor [23002]
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OK, fair enough... look man, I never said it was easy... and
Dec 4, 2022, 5:27 AM
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I'll always be grateful for what Dabo has done for Little Old Clemson. I never thought I'd live to see another national title at CU. I thought 1981 was an aberration... not a fluke, but the planets had to line up just right for us to have a shot. So the last 10 years have been nothing short of amazing.
But if we're being honest, how hard would it be to win 10 games every year in a tougher conference? Yes, I just threw up a little bit in my mouth to type that, but you know what I'm saying. And I think we've really underachieved the last couple of years, given our talent and schedule.
In my humble opinion, 10 wins should be the bare minimum. Nothing to brag about. Unless I'm mistaken, we were favorites to beat every team on our schedule. And we just lost to the chickens. At home. So maybe that has left an unpleasant taste in my mouth, and I just need to get over it.
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Ultimate Tiger [33063]
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“10 wins is the BARE MINIMUM” - lololololol - entitled much?
Dec 4, 2022, 8:02 AM
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You are right - you need a drink. Or 10.
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Ring of Honor [23002]
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OK, so what do you expect from Clemson football? I'm serious.
Dec 4, 2022, 11:42 AM
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Are we not Top 10 in the country in everything?... say, coaches salaries, recruiting classes, stadium size, attendance, facilities, blah blah blah? And don't we play in one of the easier conferences, year in and year out? If 10 wins in that scenario is unrealistic, what is reasonable? 8 wins... 9? Pick a number. Seriously.
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Re: OK, so what do you expect from Clemson football? I'm serious.
Dec 4, 2022, 11:49 AM
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Ring of Honor [23002]
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Ask Jimbo?... Who is probably on the hottest seat in the country
Dec 4, 2022, 1:29 PM
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right now? Hel1, the only reason he still has a job is because of that big fat contract...
Yes, I get it. Things happen. I guess I'm just a bit disappointed that our coaches aren't humble enough to just admit that, instead of hanging their hats on stuff like "10 win seasons". Look, Notre Dame blew us out, and we lost to the chickens. As a big favorite in both games. So let's just stop spinning it as though this was a successful season. Is that too much to ask?
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Re: OK, so what do you expect from Clemson football? I'm serious.
Dec 4, 2022, 7:41 PM
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We are not even in the top 20 in footballl revenue, we have a tiny alumni base compared to schools like Michigan, Ohio State, Texas and Texas AM.
Recruiting ranking is only relevant if you underperform.
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Dec 4, 2022, 8:37 AM
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Exactly right. I think it borders on embarrassing to brag so much about 10 win seasons in the ACC. I keep hoping it will get respectable, but it keeps getting worse. It wasn’t always so bad but FSU, Miami, GATech and VaTech all went down the tubes just before or right after Dabo took over.
The conference provides 8 opponents ranging from horrible to maybe borderline top 20. Then we tack on a SoCon team and a lower level SunBelt or MAC team. There’s 10 wins before even playing USC.
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Dynasty Maker [3586]
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Re: it borders on embarrassing to brag about 10 win seasons
Dec 4, 2022, 8:57 AM
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Says the guy with Furman in his name. Sorry for this oversight, but I don't think we ever congratulated you on beating us in 1936.
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Clemson Icon [26528]
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We only played ten games, four of which were
Dec 4, 2022, 5:37 AM
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at home, during my time at CU from '65 to '69.
We would have given someone's left arm to have had seven win seasons!
Most of my friends and associates here in the Columbia area ALWAYS mention our history of ten-win seasons, actually more than anything else. So, it seems it means something to more people than you or I would think!
Besides, it is something to brag about........!
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110%er [3673]
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Re: We only played ten games, four of which were
Dec 4, 2022, 8:05 AM
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I was there '69 to '73 so add that to the stretch. 5 loosing seasons and 3 head coaches, 2-3 vs the Coots. The highlights were playing Alabama at home (lost), beating the Coots in 1971 to end their longest streak at the time at 3, winning again in '72 in the sleet!
I'll take 12 straight 10 win seasons, 8 ACC Championships, 6 CFP appearances, 4 National Championship games (saw 3 of them, won 2) and winning 2 National Championships!
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Rival Killer [2664]
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Re: By the way, can we please stop with the "10 win season" thing?
Dec 4, 2022, 5:55 AM
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It’s still hard to do and worth keeping track of as a streak.
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Orange Blooded [2278]
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Re: By the way, can we please stop with the "10 win season" thing?
Dec 4, 2022, 8:15 AM
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It's something to be proud of, but it is disingenuous for Dabo to talk about the lack of 10 win seasons prior to the streak. There are a lot of times that he deflects from problems by trying to make it sound like a bigger deal than it currently is.
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Orange Beast [6511]
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Not many teams get ten win.***
Dec 4, 2022, 7:48 AM
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Recruit [97]
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OSU, LSU, MI, USC (the Real ones) ND,
Dec 4, 2022, 7:58 AM
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and every other team in the NCAA hasn't been able to accomplish the feat besides Bama, FSU and the Tigers, so I'll keep celebrating it.
It's not the act of winning 10 in a season that's difficult. It's the consistency of the program to be able and manage the feat year-after-year, despite staff turnover, injuries, new recruits, transfers, acts-of-God, and the 1001 other things that factors into winning.
Why not pay tribute to it? It's remarkable.
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Orange Beast [6550]
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Re: By the way, can we please stop with the "10 win season" thing?
Dec 4, 2022, 8:11 AM
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Winning is a lot harder than it looks. The consistency required to do it for so long is special.
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TigerNet Legend [145422]
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We should stop with the “National Championship” thing too…
Dec 4, 2022, 8:18 AM
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Used to be only two teams had a shot, now it’s four, and about to be 12. It’s just not as difficult as it used to be.
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Gridiron Giant [15955]
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No. A single ten win season may not be that big of a deal but a long
Dec 4, 2022, 8:19 AM
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streak of ten win seasons speaks to consistency and program excellence. It also speaks to culture. Many teams would have folded last season with a bad start like we had, but the team stayed focused and won six in a row to finish.
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Ultimate Tiger [37853]
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Re: By the way, can we please stop with the "10 win season" thing?
Dec 4, 2022, 8:20 AM
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Double digit wins in college football normally means you are doing something right. Not to say it cannot be improved but take it as a positive!
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Clemson Icon [27025]
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Re: By the way, can we please stop with the "10 win season" thing?
Dec 4, 2022, 8:21 AM
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How about y’all stop already with the “if this team makes you happy you’re pathetic”??
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All-TigerNet [10825]
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We beat 10 midgets !! We couldn’t even beat the coots
Dec 4, 2022, 8:28 AM
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Sorry Bob
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Orange Blooded [2418]
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Re: By the way, can we please stop with the "10 win season" thing?
Dec 4, 2022, 8:31 AM
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I disagree.. winning 10 is still a big deal. Sure it was harder when there were fewer games but there are a ton of teams that still dont do it.
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TigerNet Immortal [165728]
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I think you’re upsetting a lot of people who don’t
Dec 4, 2022, 8:35 AM
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Get that you’re making a basic commentary on probabilities and statistics. I see where you’re going. Mathematically, a 10-2 season is more difficult than a 10-4 or 10-3 season. It also becomes a less meaningful stat when you consider that in the 80’s (take 88 or 89 for instance), we would play a single tune up game (Furman for instance) and then enter into our (arguably more difficult) conference slate of games. We didn’t have SC State AND Connecticut, or Furman AND La Tech in the same season as a free 2 games towards the 10 total.
So yeah, it’s still an admirable feat, but it is used a little deceptively at times to compare the present to the past.
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Commissioner [1259]
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Re: I think you’re upsetting a lot of people who don’t
Dec 4, 2022, 11:23 AM
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Arguably more difficult? The ACC was in no way more difficult in that 80s than it is now. For example, in the years you mentioned, the ACC had 3 bowl wins, and two of them were by Clemson.
The ACC also only had a 7 game schedule, not 8. The OOC format ward the same back then as it is now: South Carolina, a major opponent, and two minor opponents. In 88 and 89, Clemson played Furman, The Citadel, and Virginia Tech. You have to remember, at that time, Virginia Tech was a Connecticut or La Tech.
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TigerNet Immortal [165728]
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A) we did not play the Citadel
Dec 4, 2022, 11:51 AM
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B) you are in the small minority of people I’ve ever encountered who don’t realize that the ACC of the 20-teens was top-to-bottom weaker than at any time in the previous 30 years.
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110%er [5072]
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Re: A) we did not play the Citadel
Dec 4, 2022, 1:18 PM
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Please explain how the ACC was harder in the 80s.
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Ring of Honor [23002]
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Thank you. I'm about to pull out my big red calculus book
Dec 4, 2022, 12:37 PM
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from a box in the closet, circa 1975, and find the area within the underachieving curve. Again (pronounced a-gane, with a strong British accent) if 10 wins in the ACC is too much to expect, exactly how low is the bar now? Maybe 8 wins? So, kinda like Purdue, Kentucky, Oregon State...
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Valley Protector [1464]
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Re: By the way, can we please stop with the "10 win season" thing?
Dec 4, 2022, 8:47 AM
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Well your math works if you go to your conf championship.
If you don't you would end up 9-4
As 8-4 then win a bowl game.
Not al seasons end in 10 wins for all teams.
This year there 16, with 2 winning 1, 1 winning 12 and 6 winning 10.
And 13 have a chance at 10 wins if they win their pending bowl game. Sone of those will lose, even to other current 9 win teams.
So let's check after Jan 4th to see out of all NCAAF teams, what % do win 10 games.
Note:There are 125 Division 1 FCS football teams and 129 FBS football teams.
https://www.teamrankings.com/ncf/trends/win_trends/![]() Free college football team win trends and splits in simple, easy to read tables. This page tracks all games results.
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Campus Hero [13230]
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You're exactly right.***
Dec 4, 2022, 8:48 AM
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Re: By the way, can we please stop with the "10 win season" thing?
Dec 4, 2022, 9:01 AM
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Everybody wins 10 games a year now right? It's still a big deal in my opinion. At least it is for the overwhelming number of teams who don't win 10.
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Clemson Sports Icon [56264]
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Re: By the way, can we please stop with the "10 win season" thing?
Dec 4, 2022, 9:05 AM
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Name 1 team who currently has 4 losses and 10 wins.
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Re: By the way, can we please stop with the "10 win season" thing?
Dec 4, 2022, 11:03 AM
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I agree with your statement.... it is true, we play many more games.
I also agree with the fact that stats are inflated these days. Forgot when they started doing it, but about 10 years ago they started adding bowl game stats into a players season stats. Records broke today are nothing like they were 20 years ago or earlier.
But.... we can't talk about that.
That said... Even with todays inflation (no pun intended to Biden), Clemson's consistency has been amazing and most Clemson fans take it for granted. We are enjoying the best years of Clemson football thanks to Dabo.
Go Tigers !!!
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Head Coach [932]
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Re: By the way, can we please stop with the "10 win season" thing?
Dec 4, 2022, 11:48 AM
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Nonsense.
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Game Changer [1761]
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Re: By the way, can we please stop with the "10 win season" thing?
Dec 4, 2022, 2:08 PM
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Especially in the ACC
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Game Day Hero [4362]
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I literally heard Saban say that 10-wins is the goal in a
Dec 4, 2022, 2:12 PM
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press conference the other day. It’s not easy to do, and only him and Dabo are doing it consistently. Some of y’all need a dose of reality.
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Ring of Honor [23002]
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That's fine, I'll take my dose of reality. Will you? Let's put Bama
Dec 4, 2022, 3:26 PM
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in the ACC. How many years do you think that they'll win 10 games? Is that real enough for you?
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CU Medallion [18415]
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I hope not anytime soon.
Dec 4, 2022, 7:48 PM
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It might not mean what it did 50 years ago but today it's still a solid measurable. It's a challenging number to get to and very few do it regularly.
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