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Can someone explain to me why Penn St
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continues to get the benefit of the doubt and is annually a top 10-15 team when then consistently beat nobody and lose almost every game against quality opponents?
To be transparent, I’ve had a deep seeded disdain for Penn St since they had the most horrific cover up in college sports history to keep their idols and their football program up on a pedestal, but even removing my bias, does anyone think they belong in the top 10-15???
Yeh sure, line them up for their annually scheduled “quality” losses and let them beat up the nobodies they play for another 9-3 or 10-2 season… I guess a big stadium and lots of fans will get you that.
Agree, disagree??? It’s laughable to me.
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Re: Can someone explain to me why Penn St
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Because my daughter went there and I paid a lot of money to keep them relevant... 
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Re: Can someone explain to me why Penn St
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Because the Bucknuts & Go Blue need a fake game to call real.
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Re: Can someone explain to me why Penn St
Nov 16, 2023, 3:34 PM
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Nice! 😅
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Re: Can someone explain to me why Penn St
Nov 16, 2023, 9:57 AM
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Because my son-in-law went there... But seriously, I'm more troubled by all of the SEC teams that get over rated and highly ranked every year...
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I can explain.
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Nov 15, 2023, 1:24 PM
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They beat everybody in B1G that isn’t named tOSU or UM - tOSU always being top 5 and now UM has been top ten for past few years.
So PSU is getting slotted in the 10-15 since they seem to beat everyone but the two big ones in their division.
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Re: I can explain.
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Nov 15, 2023, 1:25 PM
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Agree, they are playing those teams closer but OSU and MI are recruiting machines and there is still a talent gap there.
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Then you really dont follow CFB recruiting
Nov 16, 2023, 7:15 AM
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PSU has had plenty of talented recruiting classes over the years. The problem is Franklin…he’s not a big game coach. Can’t beat the best teams. The talent gap is less that you think between PSU and MICH/OSU. It’s X’s and O’s Not Jimmys and Joes
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Re: Can someone explain to me why Penn St
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Easy they are relevant to keep Ohio State and Michigan relevant. Much like any lower tier SEC team all they do is help write the narrative.
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Re: Can someone explain to me why Penn St
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PSU is the Ole Miss of the B1G - though Ole Miss does best Bama once in a while.
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Re: Can someone explain to me why Penn St
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Lets see that matchup in a bowl game that be cool
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Re: Can someone explain to me why Penn St
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Wish we'd get to play them in a bowl... but as you so eloquently laid out, they'll play Rutgers and mich st, be 10-2 and get a ny6.
I'm with you on that disdain.
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Re: Can someone explain to me why Penn St
Nov 16, 2023, 10:00 AM
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Hey, lay off Rutgers! (From a guy who grew up in NJ and has undergraduate and graduate degrees from Clemson). The Scarlet Knights would be much more successful if they could keep the best high school player from going out of state...
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Re: Can someone explain to me why Penn St
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Just noticed you moved into "Legend" territory. Congrats!
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Blue Blood
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It seems the blue bloods stay blue bloods no matter how mediocre/bad they have been, and no matter how long. With blue blood status comes promotion by the hype machine.
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B1G bias is so much stronger than SEC bias***
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Completely agree***
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I think 10-15 is exactly where they belong
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Nov 15, 2023, 2:04 PM
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They consistently lose to top 5 or so teams (Michigan and Ohio State), and generally beat up on everyone else in the B1G. Sounds exactly like a team I'd expect to see ranked somewhere around 10.
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Say UNC or Clemson only had losses to FL St and Lvul
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Nov 15, 2023, 2:56 PM
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Would you expect either of these schools to be ranked around 10?
Genuinely asking..
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Re: Say UNC or Clemson only had losses to FL St and Lvul
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We were 10-2 last and lost to shamers and were in that range
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Yeah, last year we were #10 after losing to ND
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Nov 15, 2023, 3:17 PM
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and #9 at 10-2 after losing to the Coots. We moved up to #7 after beating UNC.
I think people sometimes have expectations for teams in the ~8-15 range that do not match up with reality. There's generally a MASSIVE gap between a national title contender like Georgia and a team ranked around 15.
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After ND loss we were 3-0 against top 25 teams
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Nov 15, 2023, 3:58 PM
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and 8-1 overall.
The best win Penn St has is over FCS Delaware.
Iowa is a good win as well at this point, but otherwise I don’t see the scrutiny of Penn St that any ACC school would have received.
Always the benefit of the doubt it seems.
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Re: After ND loss we were 3-0 against top 25 teams
Nov 16, 2023, 12:55 PM
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Have you seen Iowa on offense 😳
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Well
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Nov 15, 2023, 3:12 PM
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1) Ohio State and Michigan are better than FSU and Louisville so that does matter a little.
2) How did we look against everyone else? Were we struggling or winning by an average of 30+ ppg (24 ppg against other P5) like Penn State has?
Right now i think UNC is down at #20 because their losses are bad (UVA loss has to be one of the worst for any team ranked in the CFP top 25), and their best win is either 6-4 Miami or a 6-4 Duke team that was playing it's 3rd string QB.
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Re: You make good points
Nov 16, 2023, 1:11 PM
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Yes, that's 100% getting in the way.
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Re: Well
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You obviously haven't seen #23 Oklahoma State's schedule. They probably have the 2 worst losses of anyone in the country; a 26 point loss to South Alabama and a 42 point loss to UCF. How in the world they managed to beat Oklahoma is beyond me.
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Re: Say UNC or Clemson only had losses to FL St and Lvul
Nov 16, 2023, 10:04 AM
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Probably closer to 15th. Having said that, OSU and Michigan State have traditionally been better football schools that Louisville and Florida State (after the Bowden years).
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Re: Can someone explain to me why Penn St
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10-2in BIG is a top 10-15 team. Is 10-2 in acc top 15?
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Re: Can someone explain to me why Penn St
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10-2 and an East B1G team - yes, top 10
10-2 ACC - no.
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Re: Can someone explain to me why Penn St
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Let's say it this way. Iowa is of the 4 teams ranked 13-25 that has 2 losses and Penn State beat them 31-0. How well do you think the other teams would do if they played Penn State?
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Iowa is terrible. You cant lose to OSU and MI EVERY YEAR and claim elite
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Nov 15, 2023, 3:21 PM
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Its complete nonsense. OP is ONE HUNDRED PERCENT correct. Penn State is ALWAYS overrated.
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Teams in the 10-15 range are not elite
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That's the entire basis of my argument. Penn State is not an elite team. You won't hear any disagreement from me over that point. You don't need to be elite to be ranked 12th though. Penn state is every bit of a top 10-15 team and program right now. They are very good but not good enough to get over the hump.
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Very good? See thats my point. Based on what? They NEVER win the big game
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You cant lose every meaningful game and be "a very good team" Sorry, you cant. And they arnt. Franklin is an absolute garbage coach.
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Re: Very good? See thats my point. Based on what? They NEVER win the big game
Nov 16, 2023, 2:26 PM
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Very good teams go 10-2. Elite teams go 12-0. That's why Penn St. is very good, but not elite.
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Re: Can someone explain to me why Penn St
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Penn State has the be ranked high to prop up the perpetual rankings of Ohio State. I thought this would be obvious to you.
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I agree with you.
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Franklin’s record against top 10 opponents is dismal. At Penn State, he is 3-17 in such games.
Until they start winning more of those games, they don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt.
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And dismal 12-25 against top 25***
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Re: I agree with you.
Nov 16, 2023, 2:27 PM
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Being ranked 10-15 isn't getting the benefit of the doubt.
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What would you call it then? They literally never beat anyone of substance***
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Re: Can someone explain to me why Penn St
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No I cannot explain it.
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Re: Can someone explain to me why Penn St
Nov 16, 2023, 4:22 AM
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I live in South Central PA, grew up in the South, most folks are Pro Sports fans Eagles, Steelers, Ravens, and Skins around these parts. As long as HC Franklin wins 9 to 10 games every season most of the fanbase are happy campers. Why they continue to receive high rankings in football is based off
years past performances under Paterno and its the only D1 school in the Mid-Atlantic/Northeastern region that has a decent pulse in college football. That said I agree with you Penn State is not a D1
perennial top 10 to 15 school in college football.
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I really don't care where PSU is ranked.
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I rank the university as a zero and lost what little respect I had for the NCAA when PSU didn't get at least 5 years of football death after they covered up a baby ###### enterprise.
I also think the conference is worth less now for continuing to allow them to participate.
Anyone who thinks NCAA football is being damaged by greed should know that greed is the only reason PSU still participates in sports.
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Re: Can someone explain to me why Penn St
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Great top post. penn state and their accomplices in the big 10 are a disgrace.
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Re: Can someone explain to me why Penn St
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While the B1G arguably has two of the best teams in the country (I would actually say that Michigan is the biggest fraud until they actually beat someone other than OSU), they have to be the most lopsided conference as well. Outside of those two teams, there is no one else that makes any noise on the college football landscape. In addition, most of them are even too boring to watch. How the B1G secured such a large upcoming TV deal is quite puzzling. I guess there's not much else to do in the Midwest during football season. It'll be very interesting next season when the 4 PAC12 teams join and add much more competitiveness to the B1G season. My guess is that PSU falls into irrelevancy and even Michigan may become just a 9-3/8-4 type team annually.
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Re: Can someone explain to me why Penn St
Nov 16, 2023, 11:45 AM
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I mean, don't they fit the top 10-15 team role? They are always pretty good, just never great.
It's not like many people are slating them as a CFP team every year. I think they are the definition of a team who could be anyone on any given day, they just don't do it consistenly.
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Re: Can someone explain to me why Penn St
Nov 16, 2023, 12:50 PM
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As a long-time resident of Pennsylvania I feel exactly the same. I do not see the reasoning as to just why Penn State continues to be so over-ranked each year and subsequently underperforms. And in my opinion James Franklin is the most over-rated and overpaid head coach in America. He cannot seem to keep or apparently work with most if not all of the coordinators he brings in each year. And he has just fired his 6th offensive coordinator with several games still remaining to be played this season. AND I believe that over the past several seasons Penn State is something like 1 for 12 against top ten teams they have played! Time is now to call James Franklin and Penn State out on all of these facts!!!!
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Re: Can someone explain to me why Penn St
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If you are going 9-3, 10-2, then that will be a better record than most P5 schools, hence the reason they are ranked 10-15.
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Penn St >> Missouri
Nov 16, 2023, 1:12 PM
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They're beating everyone badly except MIch and Ohio St. So, I think they are legit 10 ish.
Ask why Tennessee is ranked and why Missouri is top ten.
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Re: Can someone explain to me why Penn St
Nov 16, 2023, 1:23 PM
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Part of this is that perception being the reality. And it started long before any portals, NIL or conference realignment. It's about markets. These markets, at least as far as the national media is concerned, started long ago. Back when we only had 4 channels (and that's if you had enough tin foil for the rabbit ears, people (and I will continue to use that as the national media) believed that there were only certain teams and conferences worth showing. The Big-10, the Pac-12 and Notre Dame. That, to them was college football.
There have been programs and coaches along the way that changed that. Bryant put Alabama in the mix. Osbourne, Bobby Bowden, etc. But other than that, they STILL believed that the national market lay in the 3 mentioned areas. Even when Georgia won in 1980 they thought that was a fluke because of Hershel Walker. Clemson in 1981 because Clemson doesn't really play anyone and all the other schools in front of them lost. They thought that Nebraska would take of Clemson. Wrong.
Enter the BCS. That was going to fix this situation once and for all. But lo and behold, except for 2 by So Cal, all the champions came from the south. Back to the drawing board. What we need is a playoff system. That'll fix everything. Wrong again! Other than OSU in 2014, the champion is either from the SEC or ACC (US).
So, in my round about way, This is my explanation about Penn St. They haven't won a championship since pre-BCS. They are however in one of those markets created long ago. And the perception being that the NC should come from Big-10. That's why those schools get the benefit of the doubt. That's why Notre Dame is usually in the pre-season top-10. Rankings are and always have been based on the perception of those doing the ranking. They can't help it.
On a side note: Ever wonder how the Dallas Cowboys are "America's Team"? go back to the 4-channel days. They were on TV every game they played. How could they not be?
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I think that Coke bottle lense wearing Paterno was fully aware of....
Nov 16, 2023, 3:26 PM
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Sandusky's #### rape fetish; was likely a participant, a time or two. At the very least, he encouraged, funded, and reinforced Sandusky's #### adolescent serial rapist lifestyle even if they never spoke of it. SickPa should have done some real prison time–
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the Penn State Nittany Lions football program should have been discontinued
Nov 16, 2023, 3:35 PM
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and restarted 3-5 years later under a new name and University Administration. It would have been nice for them to have attached the program to a satellite campus as well, instead of the main campus.
Anything less allows the explicitly complicit fanbase to get away scot free.
Every person with a Penn State degree should have openly demanded this. Anything short destroys the credibility of that degree in total.
What you have in front of you (in the Top 10) is a complete abomination.
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