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Eschatology isn't a secondary issue
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Eschatology isn't a secondary issue

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Apr 23, 2025, 6:02 AM
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In this lukewarm era of "christianity" we are constantly told by so called religious leaders that eschatology is a secondary issue not worth fighting over. But if that were true, Paul would have never thrown Hymenaeus & his friends out of church over it. Bad eschatology is Biblically tied to apostasy in the Bible. Hymenaeus's lies led to overthrown faith as Paul put it. If that isn't a salvation issue then I don't know what is.

In Matthew 24:28 the evil servant expects the Lord to return earlier than He has ordained. Sound familiar? It should. When his false expectation is not met, he turns on his fellow servants and beats his fellow servants while eating & drinking with the drunken. If he is eating with sinners during the tribulation he took the mark because you can't buy or sell (food too) without it. That's Matthew 24(2+4 = 6) verse 48(4+8 = 12 = 6+6) where we find 3 6's & the evil servant who expects the Lord to arrive earlier than He has ordained.

In Matthew 13:20-21 the seeds on the stony ground produce plants with no root that wither when tribulation & persecution come. Who is it that is not preparing to face tribulation & persecution? The Text says these seeds on the rocks become "offended". These offended ones end up betraying true Christians in Matthew 24:10. And Luke 8:13 says they "fall away". Remember the falling away in 2 Thessalonians 2:3?

Daniel 11:21-45 is the chronology of antichrist. From the start of verse 21 until you get to the last 9 words (have intelligence with them who forsake the holy covenant) in verse 30 where fake Christians betray the covenant & have intelligence with the beast, there are exactly 330 words in the KJB. What's significant about this 330? Judas betrayed Christ over money. He got 30 pieces of silver (Matthew 26:15) but he wanted 300 pence for the ointment (John 12:4-6). That's 330 tied to a fake Christian who betrayed Jesus over money. The mark of the beast is tied to finances. The people in Daniel 11:30 will forsake the holy covenant for money. That's why there are 330 words between Daniel 11:21's beginning & the last 9 words of Daniel 11:30. Even more interesting is if you multiply the verse #30 × the chapter 11 you get another 330. Now add that 330 to the 330 word count that ends in the verse to get 660....plus the letter count of "Daniel"...660+6.

Remind me again; what eschatological heresy teaches their adherents that they won't be here for the mark?

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The word count of your last two posts = 1806 words

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Apr 23, 2025, 8:19 AM
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1806 / 6 = 301. That is 6 number 3’s plus 6 number 1’s – That is 606. Your last paragraph has 69 words. That is 6+6+3. Your middle paragraph has 99 words. That is 6+6+6 (2x3). Your first paragraph has 76 words. That is 1+6+6. You posted twice so, that is 6+6+3+1+2 = 6+6+6. Do you know what that says about you? And that I can figure that out... what it says about me? Or do two negatives make a positive?

But, listen... I don't know where your "X" is and Don't ask me "Y".

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John 3:16; 14:1-6


I want to see him do his next math problem in Spanish!***

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Apr 23, 2025, 9:20 AM
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Re: The word count of your last two posts = 1806 words

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Apr 23, 2025, 10:51 AM [ in reply to The word count of your last two posts = 1806 words ]
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You counted? You counted.

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Re: Eschatology isn't a secondary issue


Apr 23, 2025, 10:39 AM
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I agree with your first sentence regarding importance. I dont agree that it's worth argument. I think we hear too little importance on the what, too much on the when. Focus on the fact of it, we anticipate. Focus on the when, we argue. Which do we do best? If Jesus was still here, would He give us a different answer than He gave the 12? Paraphrase of a Bee headline: "Rather than arguing about Revelation, just go outside and watch it happen."

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Re: Eschatology isn't a secondary issue


Apr 23, 2025, 1:48 PM
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Why do you put so much stock in what Paul and the others who wrote claiming to be him said?

If Jesus was the messiah and son of god and the savior of the world, seems like you’d pay more attention to what he said instead of someone who never even met the historical Jesus.

It’s also strange that his words seem to carry more weight than Peter and James who not only were Jesus’ disciples but also the closest to him.

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Re: Eschatology isn't a secondary issue

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Apr 23, 2025, 3:12 PM
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I believe all Scripture is the inspired word of God.
James and Peter in no way conflict with the Pauline epistles.

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Apr 23, 2025, 4:07 PM
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How do you define "scripture"? Isn't it true that different sects of christianity have different books in their canon?

The New Testament favors Paul over Peter and James, and Galatians pretty much says Paul got in his face and called him out for being wrong, and that his view won out.

Peter walked and talked with Jesus, and yet we are supposed to take Paul's word over his?

Galatians 2:11

But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned.

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Apr 23, 2025, 4:09 PM
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I describe Scripture as the Protestant Canon.
The apostles had disagreement in person, but their inspired writings harmonize.

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Apr 23, 2025, 7:41 PM
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It just seems odd to me that half the New Testament is attributed to Paul, while Jesus’ right hand man got two books, one of which was hotly debated on whether or not it should be included and considered by a lot of scholars to be psuedographic.

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Re: Eschatology isn't a secondary issue

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Apr 23, 2025, 9:41 PM
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Doesn’t seem strange to me. God does things the way He wants to. Luke wrote more of The New Testsment than Paul.

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Apr 23, 2025, 9:59 PM
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It doesn’t seem strange that a man that was supposedly present when Jesus gave the great commission was put in his place by a man that never met Jesus?

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Apr 23, 2025, 10:54 PM
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Not strange at all.

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