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THE REAL PROBLEM WITH CLIMATE CHANGE
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THE REAL PROBLEM WITH CLIMATE CHANGE

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Feb 9, 2024, 5:33 PM
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I shared this as a comment to an original post created by TigerContractor, but I felt it was worth sharing again. I may get a thumbs down or ten, but I don't care about that stuff. Climate change as it's being projected upon the public at large is a scam. Climate change is indeed real, but man does not have any impact on it. I have provided an explanation below....

Climate change is not caused by, nor exacerbated by human activities whatsoever. Climate change occurs at these levels on a cyclical basis due to the Precession of the Equinox and other galactic cycles. The estimated 27,000-year cycle has been the cause of every Ice Age and every major global flood since the beginning of time. Human beings can no more cause harm as they can prevent it. The Earth's current Co2 level in the atmosphere is recorded at 0.04%. To display a comparison, Venus is 800*Fahrenheit with a Co2 level of 96.5%. The average median atmospheric Co2 for Earth is 0.03%, and if those Co2 levels drop to 0.02%, then all plant life begins to die on Earth.

There exists evidence found with the discovery of the frozen Wooly Mammoth. Evidence suggesting that the previous Ice Age which occurred 10,000 years ago, did so rapidly with great effect. The Wooly Mammoth carcass which was uncovered in Siberia was fully preserved as if flash frozen. The more interesting finding was that the last meal of that Mammoth was still preserved in its stomach. The food contents of the stomach consisted of several plant species which are of a tropical climate. Now, I'm not a gambling man, but if I were I would reason to believe that Siberia at one time was a tropical climate. Unless of course, the Wooly Mammoth traveled 3,500 miles every day for lunch. Some studies have discovered that the Earth's median temperature prior to the previous Ice Age was 4*Celsius higher than today's median average. That's a whopping 39* Fahrenheit.

In short, Co2 levels are nowhere near the dangerous levels to create a cause for concern. Yet, political activists will say otherwise and lobby to generate legislation that restricts our personal liberties. What's more disgusting would be the legislation which is passed that requires the consumer to purchase products from companies owned by the said environmental activists and their political cronies. Further, adding a carbon tax, EPA fees, or other penalties will not solve even one environmental crisis. The sad part is that millions of third world nations lose access to their drinking water each year due to lithium mining which poisons the ground well water and causes a real humanitarian crisis. Yet, those facts are not convenient for Greta Thunberg or Al Gore who merely want the appearance of cleanliness and "renewable" energy in the eyes of the masses who live in developed nations. Are we awake yet? No? Good, keep voting. It matters not who you vote for, the tables are tilted in favor of those who hold office and those who hold office tend to be owned by those who fund their campaigns. As for me, I've never voted, and I probably never will until someone who is reasonable with common sense runs for office independently from donors and special interest groups.

As for rising ocean levels... I disagree completely because in Nova Scotia, the shoreline has expanded, and waterlines have receded back towards the ocean by 150 meters in the past 35 years. Ocean levels are not rising whenever new islands are created annually around the world. If anything, seismic activities are causing the ocean floor to rise and fall which creates the appearance of rising or receding water tables.

Just my two cents for what it's worth. GO TIGERS!

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I agree with most of what you said except the not voting part

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Feb 9, 2024, 5:40 PM
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Not voting keeps these climate change idiots in power.

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Feb 9, 2024, 5:46 PM
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Well, I guess we have a choice between endless war to support the military industrial complex, or we can vote to support climate change activists and their emerging market that will prove to be the greatest sham ever. However, both will be the death of many, and both have a legislative mechanism to strip Americans of personal civil liberties.

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Feb 9, 2024, 5:57 PM
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so right now the U.S. is supporting/funding wars on multiple fronts., so right now the U.S. is selling higher taxes on products everyone needs to support the climate nuts who are using this like they did the Covid crap to make money . Same folks providing taxpayer funded gender transitioning surgeries for illegals. So seems like we know the answer

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Feb 9, 2024, 6:07 PM [ in reply to Re: I agree with most of what you said except the not voting part ]
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You just stumbled on my entire political philosophy. When voting on any issue or for any candidate I have always asked myself “Does it make me more free or less free?” There are no other impacts to consider, at least not as an American citizen.

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Feb 12, 2024, 8:51 AM [ in reply to Re: I agree with most of what you said except the not voting part ]
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One candidate has vigorously expressed opposition to the USA’s predilection to get involved in wars that do little to protect America. Heck, our involvement in foreign wars arguably makes us LESS SAFE, as the people on side which we do not support gets mad at us; some of them become terrorists.

That same anti-war candidate is also vocally opposed to the green energy / global warming scam.

Moreso, that same candidate who is opposed to the global war & green energy scam had actually backed up his words, as evidenced by his policies when he served as our president from Jan. 2017 through Jan. 2021. Furthermore, this same candidate did nothing to suppress civil liberties. His bureaucracy (I.e., the FBI and DoJ, unbeknownst to him until late in his term in office), had seditiously coordinated with private entity social media and search engine providers to suppress political speech that was supportive of this same candidate’s messages. Therefore, although suppression of personal liberties did indeed occur under his watch, this suppression of free speech was, and still is, antithetical to his actual policies.

You can indeed vote for a candidate that actually is supportive of the matters that you cited as being especially important to you.

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Feb 9, 2024, 5:56 PM
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I appreciate your factual response. You had to go to google search page 6 before you found non greenhouse gas causes. Lol. Jk
But along your post there are buttloads of facts saying greenhouses gases do contribute to climate change. Yes climate does go through cycles but the past cycles (except for meteor strike near Cancun) happens over thousands of years not 50 years like we are seeing now.

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Feb 9, 2024, 6:24 PM
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Matter is neither created nor destroyed.... it just takes a different form. We are moving carbon from the ground in the form of fossil fuels and making it CO2 in the atmosphere which is used for metabolism by plants via photosynthesis and produces O2 which animals use for the metabolism of carbon to make energy.... and it goes around and around and around. And it will continue to go around and around for much longer than anyone of us will be around.

At the end of the day.... the number of humans that exist in our world is far too many and we are able to overcome way above our carrying capacity for humans in this ecosystem through agriculture, technology and the burning of fossil fuels. You can argue we are ruining the planet for our children, but until people are willing to talk about population control and who will be able to reproduce and at what age will you no longer be eligible for healthcare to extend your life, I am not willing to get into a climate discussion.

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Feb 9, 2024, 6:41 PM
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“I hope the depopulation will occur in a civil and peaceful way” – WEF staffer and Club of Rome member Dennis Meadows www.weforum.org/people/dennis-meadows

"Environmentalists see man as a suicidal predator of the Earth, a being whose civilization and technology does nothing but harm himself, the Earth, and all the creatures on it. This view is expressed well by the Club of Rome, a European pro-environmentalist think tank:

“In searching for a common enemy against whom we can unite, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like, would fit the bill. In their totality and their interactions these phenomena do constitute a common threat which must be confronted by everyone together. But in designating these dangers as the enemy, we fall into the trap, which we have already warned readers about, namely mistaking symptoms for causes. All these dangers are caused by human intervention in natural processes, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy then is humanity itself.”

[Alexander King & Bertrand Schneider. The First Global Revolution]

Many would love to see the Earth's population decimated--of course they expect to be among those chosen few who are permitted to remain. Not a single one of them would be willing to remove themselves from the planet to save the planet.

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Feb 9, 2024, 10:14 PM [ in reply to Re: THE REAL PROBLEM WITH CLIMATE CHANGE ]
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Canada is on that track now, too bad they ran short on doctors eh.

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Feb 12, 2024, 9:00 AM [ in reply to Re: THE REAL PROBLEM WITH CLIMATE CHANGE ]
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Dear Tiger Contractor,

The graphs and charts to which you refer show ages-old historical data in slices of ~ 1000 year increments. Therefore, the 59 year climate trends of the previous ~ 1000 years and prior periods do not accurately capture tiny slices of climate variation such as that which mankind has noticed in the last ~ 25 years.

Comparing the upward trend of temperatures in a slice of time as represented by the last ~ 25 years vs a historical slice of time representing ~ 1000 years is a,in to attempting to weigh a rabbit on an interstate highway tractor trailer weigh scale. The weight of the rabbit is not meaningful when the scale itself is not calibrated to recognize the weight of the rabbit.

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Feb 9, 2024, 6:18 PM
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"4*Celsius higher than today's median average. That's a whopping 39* Fahrenheit."

4 deg C higher is only 7.2 deg F higher.

4 deg C is 39.2 deg F.

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Dec 14, 2012, 10:57 PM
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"4*Celsius higher than today's median average. That's a whopping 39* Fahrenheit."

4 deg C higher is only 7.2 deg F higher.

4 deg C is 39.2 deg F.




Me apologizes because I've dipped into the Blantons tonight and me math skeels are a bit off. By a bunch I assume.

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Feb 9, 2024, 6:48 PM
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I for one don't deny that the globe may be warming (or at least that the climate may be changing), nor even that man may have exacerbated this trend. And I am willing to do my part to help minimize my impact: I telecommute when I can, I minimize my driving (e.g. walk to lunch when I'm at the office), we have a garden, we compost, I drive a hybrid car with excellent gas mileage.

I'm not against "doing something" and certainly agree that pollution is bad. I'm just not willing to agree that most proposals (e.g., so-called cap-and-trade legislation) are going to do anything about pollution, and on the off chance that some proposal does have a minor impact on pollution and/or warming, will it do so without crippling our economy?

So while I'm willing to "do something", I'm not willing to put my faith in a demonstrably ineffective Government, nor am I willing to live in a cave, naked and eating dirt (but my carbon footprint would be pretty low if I did), nor am I willing to cripple our economy.

Even if today's warming is part of a natural cycle, it does seem quite likely that man is exacerbating the situation and almost certainly to our own detriment as a species. If nothing else, if we could run our societies without belching pollution into the atmosphere, it'd be the better alternative.

My biggest issue is that few of the proposed "solutions" seem to be based on climate science. I see the occasional discussion of carbon sequestration and that sort of thing, but far more often the "solution" is just a cloak hiding the proposer's socialist SJW motives.

For example, let's look at the IPCC report on climate change...Let's see...it doesn't seem to be about the effect of climate on plants and animals (and humans). It does mention climatey things...It said that without action to address the problem, by the year 2100, hundreds of millions of people could be affected by coastal flooding and displaced due to land loss. "Impacts from recent extreme climatic events, such as heat waves, droughts, floods, and wildfires, show significant vulnerability and exposure of some ecosystems and many human systems to climate variability," the report warned.

But mainly, the IPCC report seems to be about poverty and income inequality and funding needed to address it.

The report also said climate change had the largest impact on people who are socially and economically marginalized. "Climate change will exacerbate poverty in low and lower-middle income countries, including high mountain states, countries at risk from sea-level rise, and countries with indigenous peoples, and create new poverty pockets in upper-middle to high-income countries in which inequality is increasing," [the report] said.

But funding needed to offset the impact of climate change is lacking, the report warned, saying developing countries would need between $70 billion to $100 billion a year to implement needed measures. And efforts to reduce the effects of climate change would only have a marginal effect on reducing poverty unless "structural inequalities are addressed and needs for equity among poor and nonpoor people are met."

It's not about climate change or environmentalism, and it really hasn't been for a long time...it's about socialist economic policy--redistribution of wealth. The leaders of the movement readily admit as much.

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Feb 9, 2024, 6:50 PM
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The phenomenon is so commonplace that there is a slur for it "watermelon". Green on the outside, red on the inside. In polite society, it's called Eco-socialism - Wikipedia

If "climate change" people want to talk seriously about reducing CO2 emissions with scrubbers or catalytic converters, or want to talk about nuclear power, or how to build up a resilient and reliable grid that would be able to support an all-electric US economy on all-electric, or carbon capture technologies, or desalination, or space-based microwave-delivered power, any number of things, I'm happy to talk about those because those are aiming at being a "solution". There is no "solution" ever to be found in the climate change problem by taking money away from "rich" people or countries and giving it to people and countries.

Which is largely what the IPCC proceedings on climate change actually talks about. The IPCC is the ultimate global authority on the subject of climate change. They do a fantastic job of documenting the observed changes and presenting lots of models about the potential changes. But then they spend as much time addressing poverty and inequality as they do talking about actual solutions (and most of the "solutions" proposed take the form of getting government force people to emit less CO2, by any means required...they call it "behaviour- and lifestyle- related measures" and "demand-side management" but what they really mean is "Enabling this investment requires the mobilization and better integration of a range of policy instruments that include the reduction of socially inefficient fossil fuel subsidy regimes and innovative price and non-price national and international policy instruments.") The whole report is basically about money, money controlled by governments...

https://www.ipcc.ch/sr15/

Chapter 5: Sustainable Development, Poverty Eradication and Reducing Inequalities — IPCC

Why is this even a topic for the IPCC? And it's not limited to one chapter in the report, either...

"To reduce inequality and alleviate poverty, such transformations would require more planning and stronger institutions (including inclusive markets) than observed in the past, as well as stronger coordination and disruptive innovation across actors and scales of governance.

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Feb 9, 2024, 6:52 PM [ in reply to Re: THE REAL PROBLEM WITH CLIMATE CHANGE ]
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Rep. Ocasio-Cortez’s chief of staff, Saikat Chakrabarti, made the revealing admission in a meeting with Democratic Washington Gov. Jay Inslee’s climate director in May. A Washington Post reporter accompanied Chakrabarti to the meeting for a magazine profile published Wednesday: “The interesting thing about the Green New Deal, is it wasn’t originally a climate thing at all...Do you guys think of it as a climate thing? Because we really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing,” he added.

(OTTMAR EDENHOFER, UN IPCC OFFICIAL): "Basically it’s a big mistake to discuss climate policy separately from the major themes of globalization. The climate summit in Cancun at the end of the month is not a climate conference, but one of the largest economic conferences since the Second World War... First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole.

Christiana Figueres, leader of the U.N.’s Framework Convention on Climate Change: “This is probably the most difficult task we have ever given ourselves, which is to intentionally transform the economic development model, for the first time in human history.”

Former U.S. Senator Timothy Wirth (D-CO), then representing the Clinton-Gore administration as U.S undersecretary of state for global issues, addressing the same Rio Climate Summit audience, agreed: “We have got to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic policy and environmental policy.”

Christine Stewart, former Canadian Environment Minister: “No matter if the science is all phoney, there are collateral environmental benefits.... climate change [provides] the greatest chance to bring about justice and equality in the world.”

Emma Brindal, a climate justice campaigner coordinator for Friends of the Earth: “A climate change response must have at its heart a redistribution of wealth and resources.”

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Feb 9, 2024, 6:53 PM [ in reply to Re: THE REAL PROBLEM WITH CLIMATE CHANGE ]
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Not to mention, some of them are in it for the money...

Monika Kopacz, atmospheric scientist: "It is no secret that a lot of climate-change research is subject to opinion, that climate models sometimes disagree even on the signs of the future changes (e.g. drier vs. wetter future climate). The problem is, only sensational exaggeration makes the kind of story that will get politicians’ — and readers’ — attention. So, yes, climate scientists might exaggerate, but in today’s world, this is the only way to assure any political action and thus more federal financing to reduce the scientific uncertainty."

Researcher Robert Phalen's 2010 testimony to the California Air Resources Board: "It benefits us personally to have the public be afraid, even if these risks are trivial."

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Feb 9, 2024, 10:17 PM [ in reply to Re: THE REAL PROBLEM WITH CLIMATE CHANGE ]
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mpercy® said:

I for one don't deny that the globe may be warming (or at least that the climate may be changing), nor even that man may have exacerbated this trend. And I am willing to do my part to help minimize my impact: I telecommute when I can, I minimize my driving (e.g. walk to lunch when I'm at the office), we have a garden, we compost, I drive a hybrid car with excellent gas mileage.

I'm not against "doing something" and certainly agree that pollution is bad. I'm just not willing to agree that most proposals (e.g., so-called cap-and-trade legislation) are going to do anything about pollution, and on the off chance that some proposal does have a minor impact on pollution and/or warming, will it do so without crippling our economy?

So while I'm willing to "do something", I'm not willing to put my faith in a demonstrably ineffective Government, nor am I willing to live in a cave, naked and eating dirt (but my carbon footprint would be pretty low if I did), nor am I willing to cripple our economy.

Even if today's warming is part of a natural cycle, it does seem quite likely that man is exacerbating the situation and almost certainly to our own detriment as a species. If nothing else, if we could run our societies without belching pollution into the atmosphere, it'd be the better alternative.

My biggest issue is that few of the proposed "solutions" seem to be based on climate science. I see the occasional discussion of carbon sequestration and that sort of thing, but far more often the "solution" is just a cloak hiding the proposer's socialist SJW motives.

For example, let's look at the IPCC report on climate change...Let's see...it doesn't seem to be about the effect of climate on plants and animals (and humans). It does mention climatey things...It said that without action to address the problem, by the year 2100, hundreds of millions of people could be affected by coastal flooding and displaced due to land loss. "Impacts from recent extreme climatic events, such as heat waves, droughts, floods, and wildfires, show significant vulnerability and exposure of some ecosystems and many human systems to climate variability," the report warned.

But mainly, the IPCC report seems to be about poverty and income inequality and funding needed to address it.

The report also said climate change had the largest impact on people who are socially and economically marginalized. "Climate change will exacerbate poverty in low and lower-middle income countries, including high mountain states, countries at risk from sea-level rise, and countries with indigenous peoples, and create new poverty pockets in upper-middle to high-income countries in which inequality is increasing," [the report] said.

But funding needed to offset the impact of climate change is lacking, the report warned, saying developing countries would need between $70 billion to $100 billion a year to implement needed measures. And efforts to reduce the effects of climate change would only have a marginal effect on reducing poverty unless "structural inequalities are addressed and needs for equity among poor and nonpoor people are met."

It's not about climate change or environmentalism, and it really hasn't been for a long time...it's about socialist economic policy--redistribution of wealth. The leaders of the movement readily admit as much.


Absolutely enjoyed this thoughtful input. I wished that more concerned citizens would think outside of the matrix for 10 mins a day at least.

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Feb 9, 2024, 6:57 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp5ANZuV7FA

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Feb 9, 2024, 6:59 PM
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Even if man-made pollution doesn't cause "climate change" (I think it probably does, or at least exacerbates it) I'd certainly prefer to live in a world where we didn't spew pollution into the air and water.

On the other hand, the earth has gone through severe climate shifts even within the last few thousand years--none of which were precipitated by man-made pollutants.

11,500 years ago, much of the Northern Hemisphere was covered with mile-thick ice sheets. Yet that ice all melted. Why? Was the ice an aberration (no) or was the warming an aberration (no)? What is the earth's "correct" temperature? If the earth was cooling and glaciers were expanding and the seas retreating (as ice build-up captured more and more water) would these same scientists and politicians be recommending that we burn more stuff to put more CO2 into the atmosphere? Why is water vapor--the #1 greenhouse gas by a 7-1 margin--never mentioned? What caused the medieval warm period when olives last grew in England and Vikings last lived on the shores of Greenland and silver mines in Sweden were not covered by glaciers? What caused the subsequent Little Ice Age that saw the Thames freezing solid every winter for 200 years, and farms and villages in northern latitudes were destroyed by expanding glaciers?

I think some people would have complained bitterly about the retreat of the Laurentide ice sheet, if they could pin in on oil companies or capitalism. Heck, they would if asked on polls: "Do you believe AGW is the cause for retreat of the Laurentide ice sheet? Yes or no?" because 99% of people (a made up statistic) have no clue what the Laurentide ice sheets were.

Sometimes I imagine a modern society 10,000 years ago, complete with MSNBC announcers pronouncing their dismay about the loss of habitat for the Ohio Basin polar bears, because the ice "which was once 1km thick is now only 250m and completely gone at some points". This is despite the huge beneficial impact that the melting of the ice sheets had on humanity as a species. Not that I'm claiming AGW is a good thing, but simply stating a fact that not all climate change is bad for humanity, and that it is reasonable to wonder if AGW may include any positive effects--for example, growing seasons will be longer at higher latitudes.

At Copenhagen, the AGW crowd lamented sea-level rise: "Just two years ago, the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change predicted a worst-case scenario rise of 59 centimetres. But the accelerated melting of ice sheets in Antarctica and Greenland caused by faster warming means the worst case is now put at 1.2 metres. " When? By 2200... Current satellite data going back to 1993 has sea-levels rising about 3mm per year. The average, based on a set of tidal measurements over the last 220 years is 2mm/yr.

Fifty-nine centimeters in 190 years is just 3.1mm per year; a rise of 2 feet over 200 years seems like something we could plan for and adjust to and not at all like a geologically recent event. About 8500 years ago the largest lake in the world, Lake Agassiz, which once covered almost half-a-million square kilometers (about 180,000 square miles) of central Canada simply drained, virtually overnight in the geologic timescale, into the Arctic ocean. "The last major shift in drainage occurred about 8,400 calendar years before present (about 7,700 14C years before present). The melting of remaining Hudson Bay ice caused lake Agassiz to drain nearly completely. This final drainage of Lake Agassiz contributed an estimated 1 to 3 meters to total post-glacial global sea level rise. Much of the final drainage may have occurred in a very short time, in two or one events, perhaps taking as short as a year. [emphasis mine]"

In India, we find that "Useful data on sea level fluctuations have been collected during the present expedition. Three wavecut benches were encountered at depths of 11.22 metres, 4.6 metres and 1.34 metres. The proto-historic city was built on the lowest bench, the early historic and the medieval townships on the higher benches. The island of Bet Dwarka, 30 km north of Dwarka, which is also famous as the pleasure resort of Sri Krishna, was connected with the mainland between Otha and Aramda. The reclamation referred to in ancient texts was made in this zone when the sea level was lower 3,500 years ago."

The sea has risen 120 meters over the last 20,000 years, albeit with virtually all of that rise taking before about 5000 years ago. All without the help of man.

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Member when the CO2 was good for trees and plants ??

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Feb 9, 2024, 8:35 PM
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those were the good ol days.

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you are a bufoon as usual

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Feb 9, 2024, 9:41 PM
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CO2 near the surface is not the problem, but you don't understand science.

Go study O^3 in the stratosphere and how its created. I've never seen someone so stupid and ignorant, yet continues to post like they know what they are talking about.

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You seem very passionate about your religion ... put an extra $20 in the

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Feb 9, 2024, 9:48 PM
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offeratory, in honor of India and their green efforts.

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its ok that you don't know what you are talking about..


Feb 9, 2024, 9:49 PM
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you don't have the education. But you have to understand, if you don't know what you are talking about, then don't comment on it. Go look up the Milankovitch cycles.. Change is not the problem, ITS THE RATE OF CHANGE!!! Delta X over Delta T

https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2948/milankovitch-orbital-cycles-and-their-role-in-earths-climate/#:~:text=The%20Milankovitch%20cycles%20include%3A,is%20pointed%2C%20known%20as%20precession.

clemchem®

https://www.carbonbrief.org/science/

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A couple of extra weeks of growing season where I live. I'm good with it.***


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exactly!!!


Feb 9, 2024, 9:58 PM
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The world needs ditch diggers...

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What does ditch diggers have to do with it...? Of course, I don't mind a shovel.***


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clemchem do you know what a derivative is?


Feb 9, 2024, 9:55 PM [ in reply to its ok that you don't know what you are talking about.. ]
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https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

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You know what they say about data ... garbage in ... garbage out.***


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speaking the truth about yourself...


Feb 9, 2024, 10:40 PM
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Before you go and speak about so profoundly about a topic, learn about what you are talking about. Study, do the work to learn.

Currently you have not clue what you are talking about. That defines an idiot.

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My Belief Is This


Feb 9, 2024, 10:24 PM
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***DISCLAIMER***
THIS IS MERELY A BELIEF AND NOT A TRUTH.


I believe that we have no impact on climate shifts whatsoever. However, I do believe that humanity needs to work together to survive what's coming soon without warning. Climate change may seem as if temperatures are warming, but if human beings do not work together to survive the next rapid and sudden Ice Age then we may not exist anymore after the fact.

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Chesty...

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Feb 9, 2024, 10:31 PM
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I'm not sure how old you are, but go look up CFC's and the ozone. That was fixed. Go look up acid rain's affect on the environment in the 1980's. Look up how Cap and Trade solved that problem.

If you think humans have no affect on the atmosphere then you are brainwashed.

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Re: Chesty...


Feb 9, 2024, 11:07 PM
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ChestyPuller0311®

do you want me to provide some links?

I think you really care about the situation and want to learn the science. Science is not evil, regardless of what Fox News tells you.

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Re: Chesty...


Feb 9, 2024, 11:32 PM
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ChestyPuller0311®

do you want me to provide some links?

I think you really care about the situation and want to learn the science. Science is not evil, regardless of what Fox News tells you.


I work closely with scientists that understand the environment quite well and they understand the impacts of astronomical events which cause climate change. However, the he scientists that I work with aren’t government funded or funded by activists groups so they’re ignored by the media. Science which is published states that water table levels are rising but that’s simply not the case in Nova Scotia and elsewhere. CO2 levels are at .04% currently and government funded scientists even acknowledge that. Electric cars are not the answer, solar panels aren’t the answer, and neither are wind farms. All require mining that cannot be done ethically. Even green hydrogen energy production is not costs effective enough to make any difference. Trust me, I know the ins and outs on climate change.I would however enjoy reading links that you provide that explain why a Wooly Mammoth had tropical plants in its digestive tract in Siberia.

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Re: Chesty...


Feb 9, 2024, 11:45 PM
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what company do you work for?

Give me some companies that you are affiliated with?

I'm a scientist

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Re: Chesty...


Feb 10, 2024, 10:32 PM
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Black Labs out of Nevada. And I don’t work for them, I work with them. I’m the Chairman for Hammer-Rock Holdings. Black Labs however, has a presence in the U.S., Canada, the U.K., and Hong Kong.

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Re: Chesty...

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Feb 10, 2024, 9:39 AM [ in reply to Re: Chesty... ]
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I have some exposure to some of the models used by climate researchers at NOAA. I can tell you, the models are frequently ad hoc and contain numerous fudge factors and corrections to massage the data, throw out outliers, adjust that term during this time period, this term during that time period, etc. Further, many temperature measurements are based on proxies--e.g. assuming tree rings are wider during higher temperatures, but there's simply no way to determine how much wider per degree C.

I'm not saying that their models are wrong, just that, having implemented models like these before, I understand enough of the math to know that a minor mistake in a fudge factor meant to allow dissimilar measurements to be used as if they were from the same dataset can make a huge difference in the validity of the model. Not to mention simple errors in implementation that can have the results "look right" but still be completely wrong.

"In early 2001, CPC was requested to implement the 1971–2000 normal for operational forecasts. So, we constructed a new SST normal for the 1971–2000 base period and implemented it operationally at CPC in August of 2001" (Journal of Climate).

How can a normal be updated--the data is the data, and its normal is its normal? This sentence implies that the data is somehow massaged every ten years or so. There may be legitimate reasons to do so, but anytime you massage data, there have to be questions as to the legitimacy of the alteration.

Just the abstract to that particular paper reveals how fragile the models are, being based on assumptions piled on top of assumptions, and unveiling a tendency to massage data.

"SST predictions are usually issued in terms of anomalies and standardized anomalies relative to a 30-yr normal: climatological mean (CM) and standard deviation (SD). The World Meteorological Organization (WMO) suggests updating the 30-yr normal every 10 yr."

"Using the extended reconstructed sea surface temperature (ERSST) on a 28 grid for 1854–2000 and the Hadley Centre Sea Ice and SST dataset (HadISST) on a 18 grid for 1870–1999, eleven 30-yr normals are calculated, and the interdecadal changes of seasonal CM, seasonal SD, and seasonal persistence (P) are discussed."

This says that data is being assembled from widely disparate data sources, with different measurement techniques, and that some of the data was made with instrumentation that simply cannot be validated (data from 1854?).

"Both PDO and NAO show a multidecadal oscillation that is consistent between ERSST and HadISST except that HadISST is biased toward warm in summer and cold in winter relative to ERSST."

Now we see that different data sets, ostensibly of the same population, disagree. And the fact that one data set exhibits bias to the extreme (too warm in summer and too cold in winter) raises questions about the proper use of this data. One scientist may be able to make a valid claim that the more stable data is in error and "correct" it to be more in line with the more volatile data; another scientist may do the opposite. And their personal bias will play a role as to which way they go.

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The real problem is that its connected to money ...


Feb 9, 2024, 10:34 PM
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and people will do anything for money.

https://nypost.com/2023/08/09/climate-scientist-admits-the-overwhelming-consensus-is-manufactured/

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LOL.. find that 1%


Feb 9, 2024, 10:49 PM
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that fits what you want to hear.

Disregard the 99% of other atmospheric scientists that completely disagree.

If the 1% fits what I want to hear, then its the truth.

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Re: THE REAL PROBLEM WITH CLIMATE CHANGE


Feb 10, 2024, 12:14 PM
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Any average person is incapable of understanding climate change, mainly because it is not possible for them to find the right information. There's too much misinformation by the climate zealots who believe in it like a religion.

In addition to misinformation, including fake papers published by the leftist zealots, there's just too many phenomena involved and too many complex ideas for one person to digest and understand. If one person dedicates their professional career to figuring this out, they might have a chance. But, it's not like all the answers are out there - there are still many key principles that have not been established or proven.

So, you leftists idiots can go on all day long about this, but the facts are you don't know chit.

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Jesus H Christ


Feb 10, 2024, 1:23 PM
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You realize that a wooly mammoth could have fallen through a frozen river, correct?

Precession of the Equinox and other galactic cycles The Pporcesison of the Equinox, or you could have just said the earth tilting on its axis, controls the seasons, not our climate. And What galactic cycles, please elaborate professor.


In short, Co2 levels are nowhere near the dangerous levels to create a cause for concern and your evidence for this is???

Nova Scotia, the shoreline has expanded That is 100% complete, unadulterated bullshhit, try and prove me wrong.

Tiger Contractor

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THE REAL PROBLEM WITH CLIMATE CHANGE


Feb 10, 2024, 10:27 PM
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The real problem is that Climate change, fact or friction, is not dire. We have a whole generation freaking out that we're going to all die from Climate change in the next 10 years.

Meanwhile, the world has no less nuclear warheads than it did in the eighties, but there are less people keeping up with them.

Cancer is managed and it sure makes a lot of people a LOT OF MONEY, why cure it!?

Pharmaceutical companies fund more than 75% of all TV advertising, but how could that impact the news media? /S

Many college age students have no problem with Hamas terrorism or limiting access across our border to prevent the same type of terrorism here.

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Re: THE REAL PROBLEM WITH CLIMATE CHANGE


Feb 11, 2024, 1:56 PM
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I get your point, but technically we and the ex Soviets do have many fewer nuke warheads than in the 80s. Retirements were pretty significant through the 90s and continued at a slower pace since.

Scroll down on this page near the bottom:

https://fas.org/initiative/status-world-nuclear-forces/

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Re: THE REAL PROBLEM WITH CLIMATE CHANGE


Feb 11, 2024, 4:26 PM
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"Climate change is not caused by, nor exacerbated by human activities."


That may be true and it may not be true. It's what you want to believe. It's that simple.

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You're free to believe whatever you want to believe....


Feb 11, 2024, 5:03 PM
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This is a free country. I don't begrudge your right to express an opinion.

But just be aware that all of the climate science, all of the data and analysis show beyond a shadow of a doubt that in fact humans are impacting climate. It's not being argued anymore within the science community. I don't care what Al Gore of Greta Thunberg say. I care what the scientific reviews say. And they all tell us that humans are impacting climate. That was settled scienced decades ago.

So, if you are posting opinions that humans aren't causing or exacerbating climate change, you're going against the overwhelming scientific consensus.

https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/syr/downloads/report/IPCC_AR6_SYR_SPM.pdf

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Re: You're free to believe whatever you want to believe....


Feb 12, 2024, 2:23 PM
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It's not a free country. Many scientists who counter the argument that global warming is man made are ostracized. Grants removed, fired, passed over for promotion, ridiculed, ostracized. Climate change has become the new religion. Galileo himself was brought to trial by the "government at the time" called the Catholic church. This all because his belief was the earth revolves around the sun. Religion 1 Scientist 0. Don't think that none of the "majority scientist" are fearful of the climate change zealots.

I doubt there are any real climate change deniers. There was a convenient name change from "man-made global warming" to "climate change." There are a fair number of people who disagree with man-made global warming or discount the severity of it. To me there is no doubt there is global warming just as there is no doubt there is global cooling. It's a cycle that happens.

I think a lot of normal people find it interesting the shear number of people hyping global warming to profit off it is. People are getting filthy rich from it. These hypocrites don't have a problem giving you a big eff you middle finger to your face as they buy up coastal property while preaching the water level is rising to a dangerous level. They jump into their CO2 polluting private jets to go coast to coast to find the best beach front property that their filthy money can purchase. Many of their ink are pushing for conversion to electric vehicles that cause more environmental damage that petrol burning cars and getting rich doing it.

The planet is warming. So what....it does that from time to time. Stick around long enough and it'll cool down.

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Re: You're free to believe whatever you want to believe....

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Feb 14, 2024, 1:13 PM
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Within climate science, and the researchers and scientists who produce peer-reviewed science, there's no argument anymore about whether humans impact climate. It's that simple.

I'm not arguing in defense of anyone - whoever they are - that are hypocrites who profit off of this or that. I'm simply stating the plain facts: Humans are impacting the climate, and we're responsible for a lot of the warming that has been going on in recent decades.

That statement is about as controversial as saying that the world is round and not flat. And it's not a religion to recognize that we're impacting climate. There is no "hoax" in that regard.

And there are climate deniers who are well-funded by fossil fuel interests. And there are people that make a living by attacking actual climate scientists. But we are in a free - though imperfect - country.

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Re: You're free to believe whatever you want to believe....


Feb 14, 2024, 2:18 PM
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I don't think we know enough to flat out make statements about climate change especially within the realm of man-made global warming. There is argument, discussion and debate to be had. Please don't just slam the door shut and say no more discussion, case closed.

Oh yes, there are most definitely people who treat this topic as a religion. They heard some things and ran with it. There are both deniers and believers. Neither is to be taken as slam dunk factualists.

What I can say is this:

1. There are those who profit from promoting climate change. They push their agenda.
2. There are those who profit from denying climate change. They push their agenda.
3. There are a lot of people on the planet who simply don't know. Maybe it does, maybe it does not.
4. I personally I don't think it's a good thing to be releasing, relatively quickly, carbon that that took the earth millions of years to trap. In fact, it's probably a bad thing. How bad, we do not know yet.
5. People are emotional creatures whose "flight" response makes it easy for politicians to manipulate. The bread and butter of politicians is to manipulate thinking.
6. I don't believe the knee jerk reactions we are seeing via draconian measures that severely impact humans is how to handle this. It will lead to more than just inconvenience. Restricting food production, heating and mobility will lead to deaths.
7. I believe than some of the pushed policies are contributing to more greenhouse gas emissions and environmental damage. This is what happens when you do knee jerk things and don't take into account human behavior.
8. I believe that instead of pissing away a lot of money on BS projects just so a certain group can benefit off it; perhaps we could put more of that money into things like nuclear fusion research, etc.
9. I believe a lot of people are going along with the religion of man-made global warming but in essence don't believe it to be existential such that they are willing to change how they live. The "you first" or the "let's spend other peoples money" attitude doesn't give me confidence they really believe what they are saying.
10. It's clear there is an agenda to knock the USA down a notch or two by enemies foreign and domestic. We can see certain nations given 3rd world development status making them exempt from certain "obligations" to reduce their carbon footprint. However, they are not 3rd world developing countries.
11. A bunch of other things give me great concern but I've said enough.

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/article/putting-the-con-in-consensus-not-only-is-there-no-97-per-cent-consensus-among-climate-scientists-many-misunderstand-core-issues

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Climate Science is not a religion...

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Feb 14, 2024, 4:05 PM
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And the people that work within it know that humans are impacting the climate, and responsible for a lot of the global warming we've had.

There's plenty to debate about the models and future impacts and future mitigation strategies. We can have those debates on the unknowns in that part of the field.

But the basic conclusion that humans are driving climate change is true. It is absolutely not a religion or a hoax. It's a fact. That part of climate science was settled many years ago. You guys need a new schtick.

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Re: Climate Science is not a religion...


Feb 14, 2024, 4:43 PM
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Naw. You read Obama say that 97% of scientist agree and ran with it. Try again. The fact that you are so certain as the sun will come up tomorrow tells me you are willing to just accept that 97% figure. In that article, what did you disagree with?

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I didn't hear Obama say anything....

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Feb 14, 2024, 5:16 PM
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I just followed the peer reviewed science. The Climate Deniers - like you - keep wanting this to be about Gore or Obama or Thunberg, or whomever you despise. I'm just talking about the science.

Humans are driving climate change. That much is true. There's no longer a debate on that aspect.

Getting you to admit it though - even if you know deep down - is beyond my ability.

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Re: I didn't hear Obama say anything....


Feb 14, 2024, 5:21 PM
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You did or did not find that article way off? It's just one of many that regurgitate a similar opinion.

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McKitrick is a denier with an Economics degree....

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Feb 15, 2024, 11:42 AM
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I'm not impressed with the link you provided.

Here's what surveys & review of the scientific literature have shown. There's no longer argument about whether or not humans are impacting climate. We already know we are. And surveys of scientists active in the field, as well as the research they provide, prove that there's an overwhelming consensus.

Peer reviewed extracts: 75% agreed with the consensus, and 25% had no comment either way:
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.1103618

"97-98% of climate researchers who actively publish peer reviewed science agreed with the consensus"
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1029/2009EO030002

"97–98% of the climate researchers most actively publishing in the field surveyed here support the tenets of ACC outlined by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change"
https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1003187107

"Among abstracts expressing a position on AGW, 97.1% endorsed the consensus position that humans are causing global warming."
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/8/2/024024

"90% of respondents with more than 10 climate-related peer-reviewed publications (about half of all respondents), explicitly agreed with anthropogenic greenhouse gases (GHGs) being the dominant driver of recent global warming"
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/es501998e

"The consensus that humans are causing recent global warming is shared by 90%–100% of publishing climate scientists according to six independent studies by co-authors of this paper. Those results are consistent with the 97% consensus reported by Cook et al (Environ. Res. Lett. 8 024024) based on 11 944 abstracts of research papers, of which 4014 took a position on the cause of recent global warming. A survey of authors of those papers (N = 2412 papers) also supported a 97% consensus."
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/11/4/048002

"We identify four sceptical papers out of the sub-set of 3000, as evidenced by abstracts that were rated as implicitly or explicitly sceptical of human-caused global warming. In our sample utilizing pre-identified sceptical keywords we found 28 papers that were implicitly or explicitly sceptical. We conclude with high statistical confidence that the scientific consensus on human-caused contemporary climate change—expressed as a proportion of the total publications—exceeds 99% in the peer reviewed scientific literature."
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/ac2966

"Out of a group of 153 independently confirmed climate experts, 98.7% of those scientists indicated that the Earth is getting warmer mostly because of human activity such as burning fossil fuels. Among those with the highest level of expertise (independently confirmed climate experts who each published 20+ peer reviewed papers on climate change between 2015 and 2019) there was 100% agreement that the Earth is warming mostly because of human activity."
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/ac2774

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Re: McKitrick is a denier with an Economics degree....


Feb 15, 2024, 12:32 PM
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But what you don't seem to understand is that "scientists" are under pressure to toe the line with regard to the forced conclusion that global warming is man-made. And ESG plays a large part of that push. You have people and companies tripping over themselves for the sake of higher ESG scores. And, not necessarily because it's the right thing to do but because if you don't play the game then you can forget about doing business with other companies, industries, governments. People are cancelled, businesses are cancelled, contracts are cancelled. What do you think you would do if your job and survival depended on if you toe the line or not? Trillions of dollars spent and the impact will be inconsequential. If you really are concerned about man-made pollution causing global warming I would vote we take trillions and trillions of dollars and do a Manhattan Project style endeavor to make nuclear fusion a cost effective reality.

https://www.newsweek.com/nobel-prize-winner-who-doesnt-believe-climate-crisis-has-speech-canceled-1815020

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvqIqy8dUvA

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/jpmorgan-chase-drops-out-of-massive-un-climate-alliance-in-stunning-move

BTW, what have you done to reduce your carbon footprint?

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What you're describing as a Hoax is impossible....


Feb 15, 2024, 12:54 PM
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You're implying that the entire field of research in climate science is full of fake articles and fake conclusions because people are afraid to lose their jobs & their tenure and such. This would be something akin to a worldwide cabal. And there's no way they could pull this off. Even if they wanted to, scientists couldn't pull off a "Hoax" this large.

You keep changing the subject and avoiding the basic conclusion. You talk about Obama, Thunberg, Gore, and now ESG. You send me links of environmentalist nuts who attack public historical documents. I'm not commenting on any of that. All I'm saying is this:

Climate Scientists have an overwhelming consensus that humans are warming the planet. This is well-established and understood, and no longer a topic of debate.

It's absolutely true. Why can't you admit that? It's like admitting that water is wet, or that gravity exists. It's literally that basic. And you can't bring yourself to admit it.

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Re: What you're describing as a Hoax is impossible....

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Feb 15, 2024, 1:11 PM
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Garbage in, garbage out. Making assumptions that are not accurate. The latest greatest models do a poor job of explaining the last 50 or 100 years and you are using them to predict the future. Watch the video above. He makes more sense than you do with your virtue signaling insistence that it's a given what's going on. You don't believe one bit that people are being pressured by their peers, by their employer, by their gubermint. Okay then. You are clearly a part of the quintessential sheeple. <<< this is absolutely true.

Go out there and buy your $75K EV as you believe that it's saving the planet from global warming whereas it does more environmental damage than my gas guzzling SUV. That's great, more petrol for me. <img border=">

p.s. Gravity exists but all the smart scientists can't figure out what causes it but they got the man-made global warming thing all figured out. Good one. When they crack the code for gravity it will probably be elegant and simple compared to the global warming models that are in conflict with each other.

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You keep dragging up deniers who don't do climate research....


Feb 15, 2024, 1:50 PM
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John Clauser is not a climate scientist and has produced no peer-reviewed research in that field. His conclusions about cloud cover & climate are pseudo-science, and actual climate scientists have correctly labeled his conclusions as garbage.

I hate to break it to you, but you're literally living in the stone ages at this point. You're doing the usual tap-dance I see from people who won't admit in public what they know to be true in private.

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Re: You keep dragging up deniers who don't do climate research....


Feb 15, 2024, 2:02 PM
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Your hubris and hyperbole are top notch.

You are not a climate scientist, don't know any and haven't spoken to any. You are probably an accountant.

And actually, it's the opposite. There are people who in public say they believe it but don't buy into it one bit. In private they agree that we don't know precisely what's going on. In fact their spending habits prove they don't believe in it. They are out there with a Godzilla sized carbon footprint. I bet your carbon footprint is off the charts compared to mine.

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Re: I didn't hear Obama say anything....

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Feb 14, 2024, 5:38 PM [ in reply to I didn't hear Obama say anything.... ]
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Hopefully, one thing we can agree upon is that there are more than enough climate activists who are terrorists.

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1757869196346802186

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Re: I didn't hear Obama say anything....

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Feb 15, 2024, 1:29 PM
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Believing the climate propaganda and hating America go together like peas and carrots. What a surprise.

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There are plenty in here that hate America. They say it almost every day


Feb 15, 2024, 1:53 PM
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but you seem to like them.

Weird.

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^^^ Prime example ^^^***

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Unfortunate somebody didn't get to 'stomp dat axx' first...***

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