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The Government Should Intervene in Expansion (long)
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The Government Should Intervene in Expansion (long)


May 26, 2012, 11:30 AM

It is time for Congress to step in because the current expansion drive is out of control. The market is running amok and it is time for logical oversight.

Public dollars and investment are at stake. Multiple great public universities are at risk of seeing their investments wasted. Consider what might happen if Clemson doesn't get invited to the Big 12 and has to settle for a diminished ACC with no realistic shot at a playoff berth. You would see multimillion dollar investments-- with state money-- worthless. You'd see an 83,000 seat historic stadium virtually empty on fall Saturdays.

And if you don't think that's possible at Clemson, what if you were NC State? Or Connecticut, who has spent vast sums upgrading their football to BCS-level and now will almost certainly be relegated to the second tier unless something is done.

The free market's two best motivators-- greed and fear-- do a reasonably good job of making our economy run. But now, in college football, the twin dogs of greed and fear have slipped their collars and are running wild. Greed is motivating the haves (Texas) to exclude as many schools from eating at their table as they can. Fear is motivating the have-nots (West Virginia, Missouri) to jump into unnatural conference affiliations for fear of not getting a seat at the big boys' table and scavaging for scraps that fall on the floor.

Is Clemson a have or a have-not? It's like the old adage says: If you have to ask the question then you probably know the answer.

It is this same fear that is motivating Clemson. You might kid yourselves that the Big 12 is a great idea. But that is a joke. If the fear of being in a diminished ACC with no meaningful access to the future playoff/bowl system didn't exist, no one would think being in a conference with Texas and Iowa State would be a good idea. Especially Texas, the greediest player in the game. Being in a conference with Texas is like asking Jerry Sandusky to babysit your kids.

What we have is a situation where public institutions are manuevering to destroy athletic programs at other public institutions. This situation cries out for federal intervention. Compare it to fights out west over water rights. The federal government steps in to prevent a state upstream from using all of the water in a river and preventing the downstream state from going dry.

I would like to see the House or Senate convene a committee to bring some order to this fear-driven chaos and protect the investments of our public universities. The federal government could push the reset button and create a system that is fair and makes much more sense than Clemson in the Big 12 and Missouri in the SEC.

Many Clemson fans are red meat Republicans who abhor any government intervention. That position has merit in many areas. But for those of you whose knee jerk reaction is, "Oh no, the government screws up everything," ask yourselves this question:

Who would you rather have making these decisions: the federal government or ESPN and the University of Texas?

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Logical oversight? Government....?


May 26, 2012, 11:35 AM

Lol. I stopped reading....

With government oversight you would get a bunch of football players who look like the OSHA cowboy and every player would get equal playing time.

This really belongs in the Lunge.

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Me too! LOL - logical oversight!***


May 26, 2012, 1:28 PM



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Screw the federal government.


May 26, 2012, 11:35 AM

it is not their responsibility to do 90% of what they do much less get inolved in this issue.

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Re: Screw the federal government.


May 26, 2012, 11:39 AM

We're not talking about regulating private businesses. Taxpayer money is at stake. Lots of it.

Watch what happens if Clemson gets left out of this market-driven disaster. You'll wish the government had stepped in and halted this mess.

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Re: Screw the federal government.


May 26, 2012, 11:40 AM

Athletic budgets are not tax payer money....

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So let me see if I follow you.....


May 26, 2012, 11:52 AM [ in reply to Re: Screw the federal government. ]

You think conference realignments spell financial disaster, so you want to give control over to some people who are perfectly ok with a growing $15,000,000,000,000 debt whilst staring an additional $119,000,000,000,000 of unfunded future liabilities in the face? 535 people who can't pass a budget for the past 3 years? 535 people who have never agreed to spend less during any given year? There's not a day's worth of interest on our current national debt involved in the entire sport of college football. And that money is private money, not taxpayer money.

So we should take a money-making business like college football and entrust it to the same people who make no money and live off spending other people's money?

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no no no don't you see . . .


May 26, 2012, 12:31 PM

Barry and his groovy choom gang will start a whole new bureacracy for college football.

First, they'll hire tens of thousands of new government "workers".

Then . . . MAGIC!

Boom, college football is totally fixed.

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nope.***


May 26, 2012, 11:35 AM



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Re: The Government Should Intervene in Expansion (long)


May 26, 2012, 11:36 AM

#1 Texas and the entire Big 12 have already privately signed off on Clemson and FSU. Both Schools will be announced as new Big12 members before the end of July.

#2 "Especially Texas, the greediest player in the game. Being in a conference with Texas is like asking Jerry Sandusky to babysit your kids."

How is Texas any more 'greedy' than anyone else? Why can everyone else look out for their own best interests bet when Texas does it, it is an abomination? Mizzou, A&M, Nebraska and WVU all moved for selfish reasons and that is fine.

Texas has never taken any unilateral moves as a Big 12 member. EVERYTHING Texas has ever done has been the result of a vote of all of the conference members (yes, all of the Big 12 members, including Mizzou and A&M, voted to allow schools to start up their own networks for their Tier3 content).

I challenge you to give me one example of Texas 'greed' that wasn't available to other college football programs.

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Your argument is pure garbage


May 26, 2012, 11:41 AM

Those schools went along with what Texas wanted because they were scared of what would happen to them if they didn't.

That's like saying the Soviet Union did everything with Poland and Hungary's consent.

Wonder what a Texas A&M fan would say to this nonsense.

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Texas A&M would say


May 26, 2012, 11:46 AM

whaaaaaaaaaa!!!! we can't compete with texas and hate being their little brother.

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Re: The Government Should Intervene in Expansion (long)


May 26, 2012, 11:37 AM

Yes that is just what we need our gov sticking their noses in more places it doesnt belong.

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heck no***


May 26, 2012, 11:37 AM



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Bullcrap.***


May 26, 2012, 11:38 AM



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LOL...


May 26, 2012, 11:39 AM

I'm sure they'll get right on that after they pass a budget. Oh wait...



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Because we know Harry Reid, John Kerry,


May 26, 2012, 11:40 AM

Barney Frank and Nancy Pelosi know best. LMAO

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You know, You are going to be labled a "Socialist"


May 26, 2012, 11:48 AM

Yes, all you say is very true. The way to solve this is to have a fair and open playoff amongst the conferences. 11 FBS Champions + 5 Wildcards meet on the fields of glory to battle who is truly Champion. Its so in your face obvious. This would stop all this flipping conferences silliness.

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Re: You know, You are going to be labled a "Socialist"


May 26, 2012, 12:01 PM

Why does the Sun Belt Champion, CUSA, ACC, Big East, WAC, MWC, and MAC deserve a shot?

They play a conference schedule that the big boys use as filler games.

CUSA #1 goes to the Liberty Bowl to play the SEC #8/9 and 80% of the time they lose. Does the top 8 of the SEC deserve to go to the playoffs too?

ACC champion has never beaten a non Big East team in the BCS.

Big East was the most deserving of the 7 based on the results on the field, but all their teams have been poached. Yet, once they got into the ACC- They couldn't get the job done anymore.

This isn't a field of 64 were you can waste spots on lower tier conference champions. Even at 16 teams those Conference champions should only get a shot every now and then.

Again...the ACC Champion has never beaten a Big 4 conference team in a BCS game!!

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Re: You know, You are going to be labled a "Socialist"


May 26, 2012, 12:03 PM

You are talking to a troll

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Response To Your VERY GOOD Questions


May 26, 2012, 1:17 PM [ in reply to Re: You know, You are going to be labled a "Socialist" ]

I will answer your questions 1 by 1

Why does the Sun Belt Champion, CUSA, ACC, Big East, WAC, MWC, and MAC deserve a shot?

Because they are FBS Conferences and we do not KNOW for a fact that are inferior/superior until their Champion plays a Champion from one of the declared "Superior" conferences


They play a conference schedule that the big boys use as filler games.
ok, and the point is?

CUSA #1 goes to the Liberty Bowl to play the SEC #8/9 and 80% of the time they lose. Does the top 8 of the SEC deserve to go to the playoffs too?

80% they lose, 20% they WIN. How do WE KNOW that there is not a "DAVID" out there that can slay the "GOLIATH" unless they compete head to head in a playoff? See Boise St, See Houston

ACC champion has never beaten a non Big East team in the BCS.

There is always the first time. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in while. ACC needs and will ramp up, they know that, they have said that


Big East was the most deserving of the 7 based on the results on the field, but all their teams have been poached. Yet, once they got into the ACC- They couldn't get the job done anymore.

I think they get "soft" leading the good life being in the ACC .... Again, the ACC can and will ramp up, they know that


This isn't a field of 64 were you can waste spots on lower tier conference champions. Even at 16 teams those Conference champions should only get a shot every now and then.

Sorry, I do not understand your point. The Champions of each Conference meet head to head in a playoff (that would be 11). ALSO, there are 5 wildcards for a total of 16 teams. We can still use our ranking system to determine the 5 wild-cards. If for example, it has been declared by a panel of wise men and a computer algorithm that the 5 wildcards are 5 SEC teams that did win the SEC Championship, so be it. The bottom line is that ALL the Conference Champions DO have the opportunity to compete ... and the advertisers and Las Vegas are glad, very glad. Work stops as people argue over their brackets. Sports Bars are full watching these games, the U.S. economy surges during the Football "December-January Madness"... Post season games that actually MEAN something!

Again...the ACC Champion has never beaten a Big 4 conference team in a BCS game!!

Again, always the first time. Have Faith, Be Optimistic, Is a glass half full or half empty?

Lastly, a true playoff will cause parity to happen among the conferences. No need for teams and top prospects to flock to a super conference .... since all FBS Conferences go to the Championship Tournament, there is no need


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Huh?


May 26, 2012, 1:32 PM [ in reply to Re: You know, You are going to be labled a "Socialist" ]

"Tthe ACC Champion has never beaten a Big 4 conference team in a BCS game!!" What are you talking about? Did you forget about Clemson beating Nebraska in the Orange Bowl? Both teams were ranked in the top 4. Nebraska was in the Big 12, which I guess is a Big 4 Conference. You didn't really say which conferences those were. And how does it feel being a perennail loser in the SEC?

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The BCS has only been around since 1998***


May 26, 2012, 3:53 PM



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thats not the governments responsiblity***


May 26, 2012, 11:55 AM



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Re: The Government Should Intervene in Expansion (long)


May 26, 2012, 11:58 AM

Since you have expressed your views on the government taking control of our every day lives
Where can we meet I don't want what you have, but since you fill that the government should take away from the ones who have and give to the ones who have not.
I need 1/2 gal milk..1/2 loaf of bread...1/2 dozen eggs & 1/2 jar of peanut butter, like I said don't want what you have just 1/2 of it.

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You could have saved yourself a lot of typing and just said.


May 26, 2012, 12:01 PM

I love the ACC and our federal government..and I'm a dumb***

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Duke and Wake are on foodstamps and gubmint cheese now.


May 26, 2012, 12:02 PM

So is BC, UNC, Pitt and Cuse. You want to expand the program or what?

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Duke and Wake do not have money problems.


May 26, 2012, 12:34 PM

even if FSU and Clemson left the conference, they would continue to not have money problems.

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the government cuts our debt insteasing it ill let them be fans of sports teams***


May 26, 2012, 12:04 PM



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Its sad and scary that many people


May 26, 2012, 12:15 PM

Are this ignoranr and think the government should solve evertthing and step in because they don't like it. Indoctrination is a powerful thing

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Uh, NO. The feds have more important issues on their plate.


May 26, 2012, 12:18 PM

***

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Everyone always says, "If I were in charge of....


May 26, 2012, 12:18 PM

... college football, I'd do X." And almost every person's "X" is better than what is happening right now.

The problem is that nobody is in charge.

The NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL all have commissioners. The NFL is the most popular sport and has "socialist" revenue sharing. MLB doesn't and the Yankees win every year.

Think about this fact.... the last team to win its first national championship was Florida in 1996. Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

Clemson may find a seat at the table of the haves. And this probably means games in Texas and Kansas and leaving a conference where we have more championships than any other team.

Or we may not get a seat at the table and in ten years we are all trying to answer our kids' question of why our football stadium is so much bigger than Furman's.

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there is nothing socialistic about private revenue sharing


May 26, 2012, 12:36 PM

you government-centered liberals are truly incapable of seeing the difference between a mammoth federal government that collects by force and a private company like the NFL. There is nothing "socialist" about private NFL teams agreeing to share a portion of designated revenue.

Now . . . Get a job! (in the private sector)

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Of course there is....


May 26, 2012, 7:26 PM

Anytime you're sharing revenue based on need, isn't that socialist? The fact that a private business is running this model instead of government makes no difference.

McDonald's doesn't take money from a successful franchise owner and use it to prop up failing franchise owners. But the NFL does.

The fact that nobody is in charge of college football is what is creating this current madness.

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Re: The Government Should Intervene in Expansion (long)


May 26, 2012, 1:35 PM

You lost me at time for logical over sight from our Congress.

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Are you SERIOUS!!!!


May 26, 2012, 1:42 PM

I don't think so.

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Last time I checked, the Federal Government can't pour p1ss


May 26, 2012, 1:50 PM

out of a boot.

The NCAA (i.e. government) is the main reason this got screwed up in the first place.

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Yet, I bet you love the military***


May 26, 2012, 7:26 PM

nm

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Since when has the Govt provided "logical oversight"


May 26, 2012, 2:44 PM

over anything. Just look at the GSA debacle.

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The Government Should move to (short)


May 26, 2012, 7:34 PM

Russia or China and give us our country back.

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