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The Dude is at it again!!!
Jul 5, 2012, 8:20 PM
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according to him, fsu and possibly Georgia tech headed to the BIG12-2+2. Anybody else here wish he would just go away. Sounds more like a disgruntled, spoiled brat, upset at the acc for not letting his team in our conference. DUDE, GET OVER IT!
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Well, let's hope that is bad info. or we are in a heap of
Jul 5, 2012, 8:22 PM
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trouble.
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Frankly, that makes sense. 2 huge states in Florida and
Jul 5, 2012, 8:29 PM
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Georgia, with Atlanta counting for extra since it's a media center.
I think when the SEC gets its new TV deals done, it's going to be hard to hold on to Florida State and Georgia Tech, if the Big 12 offers. I really do. They are not going to sit back and let their rivals lap them in TV revenue.
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if they get offered they are gone***
Jul 5, 2012, 8:32 PM
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Re: Frankly, that makes sense. 2 huge states in Florida and
Jul 5, 2012, 8:55 PM
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agree!! but it looks like we will just settle for complete domination by the c$$ts for now and on into the future!! when will our admin and BOT get some balls and get us out of this LOOSER conf?
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Re: You just gotta hope our BOT sees the wave on the horizon
Jul 5, 2012, 9:07 PM
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I have ZERO CONFIDENCE in any of them!! especially barker!
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but you'll trust some hick from WV on the internet***
Jul 5, 2012, 9:19 PM
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If FSU and GT leave then-it's for all to see and believe
Jul 5, 2012, 9:21 PM
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so I hope we have plans to stay above it so. If not then--so be it.
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Re: if they do, it will be because we had no effective input
Jul 5, 2012, 9:29 PM
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or control over it. What are you going to do--hang your head and cry?
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No. You are a angry guy on all this?***
Jul 5, 2012, 9:30 PM
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Re: not angry at all. I trust to people who we have as
Jul 5, 2012, 9:33 PM
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leaders. Any idiot can start rumors and impose suppositions.
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I just don't understand why some on here act so ugly to
Jul 5, 2012, 9:37 PM
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other posters on this topic. If we want to discuss it just leave the posters alone. Some people have gone to great lengths to be rude and ugly to some of their fellow Tiger fans on this. I love all my Tiger brothers--all those people who love the Clemson Tigers -- so I just don't get it.
We can interact on other topics like how good we are going to be this year or whatever.
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it's amazing how this issue has turned Clemson fans against
Jul 5, 2012, 9:40 PM
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each other and turned into this name calling silliness of third grade. If you believe we might be looking at other options you're a complete fool and probably believe in aliens and big foot. If you don't believe it you love Obama and your ex girlfriend is Nancy Pelosi.
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I think it's because they are terrified of change.
Jul 5, 2012, 9:41 PM
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They HATE the thought of changing conferences and they attack anyone who does not share their views. They just want all this talk to go away.
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I would agree with that...people don't like change...
Jul 5, 2012, 9:42 PM
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I've seen many people in my day complain for years about their job but are scared to death to interview for fear of change. They would rather remain in a place they know and hate.
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Re:Change is inevitable but I'll always caution you to be on
Jul 5, 2012, 9:45 PM
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the right path before starting off. SC wander in the wilderness, for a long time,because they got their little feelings hurt.
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I don't think we would wander in the wilderness if we moved
Jul 5, 2012, 9:47 PM
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on from the ACC like they did...we aren't talking about going independent..the only reason we would move is if we were guaranteed more $. I would shocked if we move but it's not going to be over hurt feelings.
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Re: You are entitled to your opinion. I am just a heck of
Jul 5, 2012, 9:50 PM
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lot more cautious. There can be a lot education in the first kick of a mule.
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Apples and oranges.
Jul 5, 2012, 9:50 PM
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No one is suggesting Clemson should jump before they secure another landing spot. What they are saying is we should be prepared for ANYTHING that would put us at a disadvantage.
FSU leaving the conference would do just that.
And for what it's worth, I do not believe the Dude. I think he posts everything he hears and some of what he hears in his head.
But that doesn't change the fact that Clemson MUST be proactive to ensure we do not get to a point where we can not compete with SEC schools.
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Re:Pray tell, where are not prepared. Some things you have
Jul 5, 2012, 9:52 PM
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little control over. Clemson University does not rule everything despite what some may think.
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We can control being open to potential offers
Jul 5, 2012, 9:56 PM
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from other conferences.
We can control activly seeking a better conference if FSU is doing the same. And yes I know that is a huge if, but that's what we are discussing, right?
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Re:Do you have proof that we are not?***
Jul 5, 2012, 9:58 PM
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I don't. Never suggested we weren't.
Jul 5, 2012, 10:00 PM
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Just stating my position that is what we should be doing.
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Re: I will bet you that Pres. and board does not have their
Jul 5, 2012, 10:02 PM
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heads in the sand. I will bet that they have their ears to the ground.
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I would hope so and I hope they have the courage to
Jul 5, 2012, 10:05 PM
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make a change if the landscape shifts.
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If FSU leaves and we don't have a plan to get out ourselves,
Jul 5, 2012, 10:14 PM
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that would be bad. According to the Dude, we are not in consideration from the Big 12, which can only mean we are talking to the SEC.
It doesn't mean we ARE going anywhere, but if there is anything whatsoever to conference realignment (and it's hard to imagine there is absolutely nothing to it), our BOT would be negligent not to actively be pursuing alternatives at this time.
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Well I am not afraid of change, but I am terrified of
Jul 5, 2012, 10:00 PM
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Clemson being left behind and becoming the sickly thin man, like in the comics long ago, on the beach getting sand kicked all over him in front of his girl.
If, and I say IF, FSU and GT leave the ACC, and Clemson has turned down the opportunity to be a part of something grand to stay in league with Pitt, Syracuse, Duke, Wake Forest, Boston College, and the rest of those BIG NAME schools.... then I will sadly move on without Clemson.
It is not my decision to make, stay or go, but it is mine to accept mediocrity or not. ACC Championships will mean nothing with the group that Clemson will be left to play against.
And though Clemson appears poised to make "big" moves in football, it will be short lived if Clemson misses the caboose on the train of life in college football. I, for one, cannot take another 20 years like we had from 1990-2000.
People will say, "He ain't no true Clemson fan!" I will respond, "Since when?"
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Re: Take an aspirin, we will make the best of what is
Jul 5, 2012, 10:03 PM
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available. Always have and always will. The get in their britches just like we do: one leg at a time.
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MAKE THE BEST OF WHAT IS AVAILABLE?????
Jul 5, 2012, 10:08 PM
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Is that really what you want for Clemson?
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Re: I want the best but I refuse to run with every wild eyed
Jul 5, 2012, 10:13 PM
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proposal that is made to me. I hope you will do the same.
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Re: I want the best but I refuse to run with every wild eyed
Jul 5, 2012, 10:14 PM
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I would never take your hope away.
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Re: I don't think you are the man to do it.***
Jul 5, 2012, 10:17 PM
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Careful...
Jul 5, 2012, 10:18 PM
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You're letting a good discussion turn personal now.
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Re: You should know,by now, that I am always careful.***
Jul 5, 2012, 10:20 PM
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LOL good one. I'll end it with that.
Jul 5, 2012, 10:22 PM
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Have a good night.
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Re: You just gotta hope our BOT sees the wave on the horizon
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I feel positive they know more about what is going on, and what is happening more than the dude does. And I don't believe they will allow us to sink beyond recovery. Just sayin.
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I don't think the Orange Bowl has any clue what's going on
Jul 5, 2012, 8:33 PM
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and has no impact on realignment one way or the other. The OB was an arrangment of convenience for both parties...the OB needed someone to call it home and the ACC needed a home.
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Sorry, but I can't see the OB signing away millions and
Jul 5, 2012, 9:04 PM
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millions of dollars to a conference losing their two biggest football schools. I think the Orange Bowl did some very thorough research before inking this deal.
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they may have but that still doesn't lock GT or FSU into the
Jul 5, 2012, 9:09 PM
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ACC nor does it mean they tell you what they want you to hear today while they are talking to someone else. This is a game of looking out for yourself.
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Like you, I want Clemson University to be in the best
Jul 5, 2012, 9:16 PM
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possible position in regards to our cash cow, but I think the extremely lucrative OB deal is a sign the ACC is going nowhere. Sure, I guess it could all fall apart tomorrow, but too I guess we can all say whatever we want until August 15th. Then again, if you listen to guys like The Dude, we should have already been signed into the Big 12.
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I don't think the OB deal closes any gaps with our
Jul 5, 2012, 9:19 PM
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rivals...GT, FSU, or CU with their rivals...any deal the ACC will sign will be topped by the SEC deals...of course it will...more people watch SEC football than ACC football. Their tv deal and the SEC network that is rumored on the horizon will increase that gap. My only point is if they do leave I couldn't blame them. Budgets are tight and if you can find additional revenue you probably have to take a close look at your options.
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Sure it does. It brings extra money into the league even if
Jul 5, 2012, 9:29 PM
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our league champion doesn't play in it. No, it doesn't single-handedly cover the gap in the existing TV deals, but it helps. And again, I don't think the OB would have any interest in inking a long term deal with a league fixing to collapse on itself. To each his own I guess.
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Extra $ does not mean it closes the gap
Jul 5, 2012, 9:34 PM
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SEC/Big12 are going to sign a tv deal for the champions bowl as well...they are also about to sign a new tv deal.
If Dan Radakovich (GT AD) gets an offer for $5M in additional revenue after expenses I don't see how he can turn it down. If he did his top donors are going to have some very tough questions for him the next time he comes to them and hits them up for additional $. Dan...why did you turn down an additional $50M over the next decade?
Just because we sign a deal doesn't suddenly mean the financial challenges the conference is facing are gone. We have a place to play on Jan 1 but I wouldn't expect the TV deal with the OB to be on par with the deal that the Champions Bowl signs.
I hope GT and FSU stay as well but if they left there's no way we could sit here and curse them.
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Sigh...
Jul 5, 2012, 9:42 PM
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Speculation is fun, but it doesn't count for anything. The deal that was just signed with the OB does count, at least for something.
Regardless, nobody said the "financial challenges" are cured. Myself and others on this board and in the media are only claiming the OB deal appears to be a good sign for the league's stability and future worth. There's no denying that.
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Re: Sigh...
Jul 5, 2012, 9:53 PM
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A like how no one ever reads things the other way either. Obviously the SEC isn't going to have the SEC Network/Project X or a renegotiated ESPN deal on the air for 2012-13 season. I guess they just have so much money they don't care about getting this thing off the ground? Or perhaps their behind the scenes negotiations aren't exactly bringing the game changing numbers all the web prognosticators predicted. Playing "the best" football has little relationship to how many people are watching, as clearly evidenced by this years' BCS championship rating.
The ACC continues to represent larger media markets than the SEC or Big 12. If people really care so much they should do everything they can to be a Nielsen home, watch every ACC game, and don't watch (or at least not report) anything SEC related. That is what would drive the money to the ACC.
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If Large Media Markets mean so much, why doesn't
Jul 5, 2012, 9:59 PM
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the ACC have the biggest TV contract?
Heck, why wasn't the Big East rolling in money with their huge markets?
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Re:What makes you think Clemson con command more
Jul 5, 2012, 10:00 PM
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than we are getting?
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I know every school in the SEC, PAC, BIG, and Big12
Jul 5, 2012, 10:03 PM
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gets more money from their CURRENT TV contract than Clemson does from ours. That's a fact. Why shouldn't I think Clemson could get more if we were in another conference?
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Re: Clemson will not go to the Big X11 and be able to
Jul 5, 2012, 10:07 PM
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exert anymore influence that they do in the ACC. In fact they wall have less. Hope, heck, you can hope all you want to tell. Never take a man's hope away.
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Is influence and $$$$ the same thing?
Jul 5, 2012, 10:10 PM
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Who made this discussion about influence? It's all about the $$$ and being able to stay competitive with those you compete against.
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So now it's NOT the large media markets that matter?
Jul 5, 2012, 10:13 PM
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Geez, you guys really need to get together.
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Re: If we had won more ball games, we probably, would not
Jul 5, 2012, 10:15 PM
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be having this discussion as we would be like that good looking woman that turns heads.
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Okay, how bout this champ, wins along with the current large
Jul 5, 2012, 10:17 PM
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media markets would be a good thing? Does that work?
Even if we get a couple million more bucks by going to another conference, it guarantees nothing. Certainly not wins.
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Re: Answer:
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Just b/c someone has twice the bullets than you do. It doesn't mean they will kill more birds than you. Coots have been making more money than us for a while. They have won 3 game straight over us. But I would bet right now anything reasonable, they won't beat us this year.
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Re: If Large Media Markets mean so much, why doesn't
Jul 5, 2012, 10:25 PM
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What means something is how many people are watching. More people currently turn into SEC football than ACC football. The SEC has tremendous market share in the relatively small markets that they are based in. They also have penetration into non-home markets i.e. Georgia drawing higher viewership in Atlanta than Georgia Tech.
But, college football continues to be highly regional. This is the whole point of conference expansion. While the SEC and Big 10, particularly, are extremely successful at having higher ratings in their primary markets than the other major conferences, no one but So Cal and Notre Dame moves the needle in any significant way nationally. To grow viewership, and therefore increase tv revenue, they literally have to move conference product into new markets. If people in Texas were already watching SEC football in any significant numbers they would have had no reason to add Texas A&M. This is why an SEC only title game was the lowest rated championship in the BCS era.
The ACC has incredible growth potential relative to these other conferences. If Clemson or Florida St would just stop losing to Wake Forest every other year things would be a lot different. If just a couple ACC teams could start the year in the top 10 and stay there through the season it would make a tremendous difference in ratings. A FSU team that comes into Pittsburgh after three straight losses isn't going to move the meter much. But a top 10 Clemson, Va Tech, Miami or FSU showing up at Pitt or Syracuse will draw big viewership. God forbid our conference office actually think about scheduling. Va Tech opens ACC play against GA Tech and Clemson opens against FSU. After one week a favorite in each division will sit at the bottom of the standings and take a massive hit in the polls. How about division favorites meeting late in the season rather than like this. Defending champs playing a road game at Wake Forest on a short week after playing the cross division favorite. It is complete garbag and it is this crap that has hurt our conference more than anything.
Can you imagine the rating UGA/USC is gonna get if they make it to that game 3-0 and 4-0 in the conference. The teams have to perform, but the conferenc has to create opportunities. And the ACC has seemingly done everything to sabotage those opportunities in recent years.
Anyway, my point is the teams that comprise the ACC have tremendous value and potential and are cared about in some the largest markets in America. If the "football teams" get back to playing big boy football, they can quickly eclipse any of these other conferences (other than Big 10) in value.
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While I agree with what you are saying, the problem is...
Jul 5, 2012, 10:36 PM
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the ACC is now locked into a 14 year contract that pays much less than our competition gets. Winning won't change that, at least not in the next 14 years. Oh sure, there are 5 year "look ins". But I don't have much confidence ESPN will be motivated to increase dollars, regardless of how good the football schools are. Why would they? They have the ACC locked up. It's not like we could take the contract to the open market.
In the next 14 years the damage will be done. Something needs to happen that changes the ACC contract. The only thing I can think of is adding ND. If that doesn't happen, the distance between the Big 4 and the 5th wheel will only grow larger.
I do agree with you about the ACC's potential. But we have now dug a deep hole and getting out may not be possible.
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Ok this point has been made over and over.
Jul 5, 2012, 10:44 PM
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Does ESPN have an interest in working with the ACC in the future? Yes.
Does screwing over a business partner make them want to continue working with you? No.
Its pretty simple.
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Re: While I agree with what you are saying, the problem is...
Jul 5, 2012, 10:53 PM
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The PAC 12 and Big 12 have long term deals that pay less than $4 million more per team per year. I know this isn't insignificant money, but it isn't the differential most people are talking about when they are freaking out. And the money isn't apples to apples since each conferences deal is different.
My biggest belief is that ESPN needs healthy football in the SOutheast, EAst Coast, Midwest, Southwest, and West Coast to get the kind of market share they really want to justify their investments in football. Now that the East Coast has been all but officially conceded to the ACC from the Big East the conference is in a better spot than most people realize. The SEC has only eclipsed the ACC in payouts to schools for 2 years now - didn't stop them from winning 6 championships in a row.
What we need is strong leadership to build the brand. Mike Slive took over an SEC than had an undefeated team overlooked for even a shot a championship. A lot can happen in a short period of time. I'm not opposed to leaving the ACC per se, but I'd love to see Clemson, Ga Tech, and FSU just stomp a mud hole in their SEC rivals a couple years in a row and stop almost all this talk.
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If you believe any of this nonsense....
Jul 5, 2012, 8:48 PM
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you're a ####### idiot!
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why should GT or FSU be satisfied making millions of $'s
Jul 5, 2012, 9:04 PM
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less each yr than their rivals....and if offered a chance to attempt to level the playing field why wouldn't they do it? They can't play this game where their fans want them to win against their rivals at a financial deficit forever.
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Re: why should GT or FSU be satisfied making millions of $'s
Jul 5, 2012, 9:12 PM
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we are $21 mil behind and the gap is GROWING but what do we do???? NOTHING!!!
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Re: why should GT or FSU be satisfied making millions of $'s
Jul 5, 2012, 9:24 PM
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That is a completely made up number. I posted a long item refuting Plylers post breaking down actual athletic budget numbers and not one person could refute it with reference to any actual hard numbers. South Carolina consistently lumps Gamecock Club and YES program funds into their athletic budget figures. Clemson does not include IPTAY in its athletic department budget. This is the source of the vast bulk of the $20 million discrepancy.
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Don't expect any responses from the doomsdayers***
Jul 5, 2012, 9:49 PM
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Re: The Dude is at it again!!!
Jul 5, 2012, 8:59 PM
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I was a fan of us leaving for the big 12, but if we don't go i hope nobody from the ACC goes.
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Re: The Dude is at it again!!!
Jul 5, 2012, 9:02 PM
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lmao when will you people realize we were never even thinking of leaving for the big 12.
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Then the administration is as idiotic as the fan base.***
Jul 5, 2012, 9:06 PM
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Re: Some of you will believe anything.***
Jul 5, 2012, 9:08 PM
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Yeah, it's really far fetched that any entity would want
Jul 5, 2012, 9:12 PM
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more money.
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Re: But to believe some blogger who has as about much a
Jul 5, 2012, 9:14 PM
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clue is idiotic.
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It has nothing to do with the blogger...
Jul 5, 2012, 9:18 PM
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I don't even know who "The Dude," is.
If the administration never CONSIDERED going to the Big XII, then they are idiots. Period. They should constantly be considering all of their options when it comes to getting Clemson a better pay day, more exposure, etc.
If they decided not to after doing their due diligence, then fine. I still disagree, and they'll look like clowns if FSU and GT bail, but at least they looked into it.
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Re: I don't consider our Pres. and the BOT as idiots. We
Jul 5, 2012, 9:22 PM
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have some the most respected people in the state on that Board and they do not have their heads in the sand. Frankly, I would not worry about it.
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Being respected by the people of SC
Jul 5, 2012, 9:28 PM
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doesn't make you respectable.
I suppose it is less stressful to just be happy with what you get.
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Re: I don't consider our Pres. and the BOT as idiots. We
Jul 5, 2012, 9:29 PM
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yep we got goobers on this board calling people that make decisions for clemson idiots yet they hang on every tweet or post from a guy called "the dude" or some other poster named york tiger. really which ones do you think are the idiots.
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Re: They have a worm's eye view and will run with anything.
Jul 5, 2012, 9:37 PM
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One of these days, they may get lucky and can say "I told you so." One thing for sure, the longer they stay with it the better chance they have of saying it
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ACC ACC ACC ACC ACC ACC ACC ACC ACC ACC ACC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jul 5, 2012, 9:07 PM
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ACC4LIFE
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Re: ACC ACC ACC ACC ACC ACC ACC ACC ACC ACC ACC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jul 5, 2012, 9:14 PM
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WHY???????????????
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Re: Live with it. That is the best you can hope for now.***
Jul 5, 2012, 9:15 PM
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Yeah, don't dare demand the best for Clemson.
Jul 5, 2012, 9:23 PM
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Settle for what you have. Don't demand game management skills from your head coach, settle for a rah-rah attitude and Jesus! Don't demand Clemson get the best deal they can from any conference, settle for red-headed stepchild status in the ACC!
Honestly that doesn't qualify as "supporting" Clemson in my book. If you're happy with "good enough," then good enough is what you'll be. Greatness requires the expectation of excellence.
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Re:May you should try get on the board. You seem to have
Jul 5, 2012, 9:38 PM
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all the answers.
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Look at all the butthurt with their made up $$$ figures.***
Jul 5, 2012, 9:15 PM
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So how many times does this guy have to be wrong before***
Jul 5, 2012, 9:41 PM
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Re: So how many times does this guy have to be wrong before***
Jul 5, 2012, 9:43 PM
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Oops anyway how many times does this guy have to be wrong before people stop listening to his fantasies?
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Re: There will, always, be another to take his place.
Jul 5, 2012, 9:47 PM
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Permit me to play Devils advocate for just a minute.....
Jul 6, 2012, 7:58 AM
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For the sake of argument, let's say the Duke is right and FSU and Georgia Tech do leave the ACC for the Big 12.
How may of you who have argued in favor of staying in the ACC are then going to be pi$$ed-off at the administration and the CUBOT for not being more forward-thinking and proactive by allowing Clemson to get left behind and stuck in a depleated ACC.
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No point, its not going to happen.
Jul 6, 2012, 8:03 AM
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but I'm sure it would make you doomsdayers very happy.
Anyway have some faith. Clemson will not be left out.
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OK but I will be really interested in seeing your reaction
Jul 6, 2012, 8:09 AM
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when the Big 12 announces, in August before the start of fall practice, that it is expanding to twelve teams, particularly if Clemson is not one of the twelve teams but FSU and GT are.
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Louisville/Cinci/BYU would be fine in the B12
Jul 6, 2012, 8:11 AM
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GT/FSU/Clemson/Miami and whoever else aren't going anywhere.
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Yes they would....
Jul 6, 2012, 8:14 AM
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but the Big 12 isn't interested in Louisville, Cincinnatti, or BYU.
The Big 12 is interested in Notre Dame, FSU, Georgia Tech and Clemson.
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Re: Yes they would....
Jul 6, 2012, 8:19 AM
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Look this is a pointless argument. There is no benefit to Clemson or FSU/GT going to the Big 12.
Recruits spoke out against it.
Dabo/Brownell are against it.
Multiple people with a clue have said there is nothing to it.
It is not a substantial increase in money.
The ACC is not "left out" of the 4 team playoff.
I really don't understand why some of you spend your time believing whatever "The Dude" or gswaim (who have been wrong multiple times "its a done deal and the coaches have been notified") say over the ADs/Presidents/Coaches/Conference Commissioners.
It must just be boredom because it makes no sense.
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I can assure you.....
Jul 6, 2012, 8:28 AM
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that my assessment of what Clemson may or may not do is in no way shape or form based on what "The Dude" or gswaim says.
You may recall last year the talking heads at Texas A&M and Missouri enthusiastically reaffirming their abiding commitment to the Big 12 only to announce two or three short weeks later that they were leaving the Big 12 for the $EC.
As I said earlier, I will be really interested in seeing your reaction (among others) when the Big 12 announces, in August before the start of fall practice, that it is expanding to twelve teams, particularly if Clemson is not one of the twelve teams but FSU and GT are.
The folks on this board who are adamantly opposed to leaving the ACC will attack the CU administration and BOT with an unparrallelled vengence.
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Oh Please.
Jul 6, 2012, 8:32 AM
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You have been saying the same crap for months. We are going nowhere. A move to the big 12 makes zero sense.
First they were expanding in june, then it was in july after the playoff was announced, now its august before practice starts. Just give it up.
We are going nowhere. The ACC is in a strong position as one of the Top-5 conferences in the nation and the only East Coast Conference.
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Actually....
Jul 6, 2012, 8:40 AM
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I have consistently maintained that the ACC has the potential to be one of the best conference in the NCAA both athletically and academically. However, that potential will never be realized under the leagues current biased self-serving leadership.
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