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The Draft
Oct 25, 2016, 2:54 PM
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It seems a great deal of the country's social turmoils came at the end of or after the end of compulsory military service. Correlation, likely. Causation? What do you think?
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Full disclosure:
Oct 25, 2016, 2:55 PM
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I shudder to think where I'd be without my decision to enter military service. I was on a very dangerous path.
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I'm not sure I get your post...
Oct 25, 2016, 3:02 PM
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Are you suggesting we bring back compulsory military service?
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Not at all.
Oct 25, 2016, 3:03 PM
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There are many young men and women who would hinder our military effectiveness. I wouldn't want them.
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All-In [42338]
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But are you saying that there could be a correlation...
Oct 25, 2016, 3:06 PM
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Between the end of the draft and societal ills? That wouldn't seem to make much sense given that only a specific percentage of the population was targeted for compulsory service during the last two times it was used. And for only a few years as well.
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Yes, but correlation =/= causation...***
Oct 25, 2016, 3:07 PM
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Re: Yes, but correlation =/= causation...***
Oct 25, 2016, 3:48 PM
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doesn't surprise me that you needed to be told what to do and joined the military.
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Boy...
Oct 25, 2016, 3:49 PM
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...you're taking your beatdown pretty badly.
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Re: Boy...
Oct 25, 2016, 3:53 PM
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""I shudder to think where I'd be without my decision to enter military service. I was on a very dangerous path. ""
seriously, lol. you are such a loser.
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Lulz...Ok, TBalm.
Oct 25, 2016, 3:54 PM
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Enjoy your dinner tonight...alone...again...as always...
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Re: The Draft
Oct 25, 2016, 2:57 PM
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Name the social turmoils.
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Re: The Draft
Oct 25, 2016, 3:00 PM
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Name it. We certainly live in a society where simple rules of decency are seemingly gone. Go sit in a McDs with a bunch of teenagers if you don't believe me.
I'm not looking to discuss the abortion and gay marriage; I'm talking about simple interactions, discussions, etc.
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How does military service fix that?
Oct 25, 2016, 3:04 PM
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There seem to be a lot of problems stemming from military cover ups of crime in the name of "honor" (namely sexual assault). I don't think an authoritarian society solves the problem. The military also doesn't want the draft; they want soldiers who want to serve.
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It put me on the right path...
Oct 25, 2016, 3:05 PM
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And simple decency was more prevalent in society as recently as the 1970s and 1980s.
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What's good for you may not be so much for others.
Oct 25, 2016, 3:07 PM
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Our government and military higher ups have repeatedly failed our veterans as well (particularly those Vietnam ones who were drafted), so I'm not sure it's a good thing.
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Noted.
Oct 25, 2016, 3:09 PM
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And I agree with the VA issues, but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about simple respect, decorum, fairness, integrity, and responsibility. These are values taught at every level of every branch of the military.
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How are we measuring "simple decency"? I brought up
Oct 25, 2016, 3:07 PM
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segregation merely to point out that we're assuming decency existed during the times of the draft and during segregation.
I guess it depends who you're asking, as to how decent those times were.
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Simple stuff...
Oct 25, 2016, 3:10 PM
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Watching your language in public, modulating your speaking level when in a social situation, saying please and thank you, treating service professionals respectfully, etc.
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Dang, yo...
Oct 25, 2016, 3:13 PM
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"Watching your language in public..."
I must be friends with the wrong Marines.
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It's situational awareness...
Oct 25, 2016, 3:14 PM
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I would wager that these Marines are respectful when in uniform and around strangers, especially women.
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Re: It's situational awareness...
Oct 25, 2016, 3:49 PM
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lol
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A great deal of that still exists today. And lack of
Oct 25, 2016, 3:13 PM
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decency has existed for years.
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Sure it does, but not as prevalently as in the past.
Oct 25, 2016, 3:16 PM
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And maybe if you don't see it, you're the one doing it.
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Re: Sure it does, but not as prevalently as in the past.
Oct 25, 2016, 3:20 PM
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No, you just see it more because media is more prevalent.
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Great.
Oct 25, 2016, 3:21 PM
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Now, if someone who has been following along would like to comment, that'd be great too.
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Riiiiiiight.
Oct 25, 2016, 3:21 PM
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I mean you could bring up the supposed Socrates quote that, while likely not ancient, has been going around since the 1950's.
"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers."
It's been the opinion of folks that decency in society has been on the decline for decades now at least, with every generation pointing to the one they grew up in as somehow better or kinder than the new one.
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Re: Riiiiiiight.
Oct 25, 2016, 3:23 PM
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Maybe I'm just getting old, but I don't remember saying "f&%k" in a crowded fast-food restaurant.
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Re: Riiiiiiight.
Oct 25, 2016, 3:29 PM
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Yea, you're getting old. Get F3cking over it.
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Well, in the 1950s...
Oct 25, 2016, 3:30 PM
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They called black people who came into a crowded restaurant some choice words. Don't hear of that happening too often now.
I think the definition of decency just changes.
Why did the person yell ####? I mean, if you're in McDonald's or something and they keep screwing up your order, maybe it's justified?
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Justified....
Oct 25, 2016, 3:38 PM
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That says a lot about you.
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I find it ironic that we've all been avoiding ad hominem
Oct 25, 2016, 3:39 PM
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during this discussion on decency, and ol Corny McPoo, the thread-starter, has been the one taking the hostile tone.
And I've been ignoring gotigers37's inputs to this discussion.
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Ok, Robert. Riddle me this:
Oct 25, 2016, 3:41 PM
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What would justify loudly saying "f&%k" in a crowded fast food restaurant?
Also, ignoring gotiger's input belies the "all" in your statement.
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Spilling hot coffee on oneself.***
Oct 25, 2016, 3:42 PM
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Re: Spilling hot coffee on oneself.***
Oct 25, 2016, 3:43 PM
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Are there other exclamatory statements one may use? Especially in the presence of children and others?
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####***
Oct 25, 2016, 3:45 PM
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Re: Ok, Robert. Riddle me this:
Oct 25, 2016, 3:46 PM
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1. Waiter spills scalding hot coffee on you.
2. That bean burrito runs through your system a lot faster than you thought and someone's in the stall.
3. They're out of rolls.
4. You're watching Clemson play on one of their TVs and Mike Williams fumbles.
5. You have an old friend from high school named F&%k you haven't seen in years and he walks in the door.
6. Your wife orders the lobster and only eats a little bit of it.
7. You don't know much about bourbon and order a glass of Pappy Van Winkle and then you take a look at the bill.
8. You're eating at McDonald's for dinner and realize how low you've fallen in life.
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That awkward moment...
Oct 25, 2016, 3:42 PM
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When you took a joke on the Interwebs about McDonald's incompetency too seriously...
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I lol'd.***
Oct 25, 2016, 3:43 PM
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Segregation.
Oct 25, 2016, 2:58 PM
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It seems a great deal of the country's social turmoils came at the end of or after the end of segregation. Correlation, likely. Causation? What do you think?
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Re: Segregation.
Oct 25, 2016, 3:01 PM
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I think you're wrong. There may be a correlation, but causation requires research. Same with the draft, yes, but it's interesting discussion fodder.
Additionally, your hypothesis is better suited for another thread.
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Military service did a lot of good for a lot of young men.
Oct 25, 2016, 4:20 PM
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There are many young boys today that have never had any type of discipline in their lives. Have never been a part of something important. Have never experienced the comradeship of other young men their age. And the effects are lasting and inter-generational. A fellow worker's dad was a retired Marine before he died. He has told me many times the positive impact on his life that his dad had, and he knew it was a military type mental discipline that was at the core of it. He developed his own mental discipline from his dad. And how many millions of young men are there today who grew up without the role model of a father? Who do not even know what it means to be a man.
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It's interesting that the people most in favor of
Oct 25, 2016, 4:29 PM
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conscription also believe in being rugged individualists who own firearms in case they need to overthrow the very government they'd force others to defend.
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I'm not in favor of conscription.
Oct 25, 2016, 4:33 PM
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Nice straw man, though.
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Who said anything about you?***
Oct 25, 2016, 4:40 PM
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Neither am I, if you're referring to me.***
Oct 25, 2016, 4:57 PM
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If you're NOT a person most in favor of conscription
Oct 25, 2016, 5:06 PM
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then clearly my post does not apply to you.
Does this help?
I hope this helps.
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So it was a non sequitur logic fallacy...
Oct 25, 2016, 5:28 PM
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Start another thread for off-topic responses, please.
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The topic was conscription. What's the fallacy?***
Oct 25, 2016, 9:36 PM
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Re: The Draft
Oct 25, 2016, 4:30 PM
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It started after we began prospering after WW I and took credit for it ourselves.
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It's one of the few regrets in my life that I did not join
Oct 25, 2016, 8:30 PM
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the military after college. I should have gone in for at least 4-6 years. My father basically told me not to, after serving in Korea in a B-29 and getting shot by a Mig-15.
While I understand why he wouldn't want me to join, my father was wrong about some things, too. I've seen far too many benefits come from service for people who are my age.
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Apocalypse Now... The movie was mild by comparison.
Oct 25, 2016, 9:10 PM
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You want to crusade? Go ahead, sport...
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