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Grand Jury will now decide Deshaun Watson’s fate
Aug 13, 2021, 8:50 PM
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Whether he plays at all this season or will be charged with felony charges.
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The Cuomo saga and coverage is not going to help DW!!
Aug 13, 2021, 9:03 PM
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He's likely toast!! Just sayin'.
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Re: The Cuomo saga and coverage is not going to help DW!!
Aug 13, 2021, 11:11 PM
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You make your bed, then you have to sleep in it. Just sayin...
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Athletic Dir [1197]
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A caution. The McMartin Preschool Abuse Trial
Aug 6, 2024, 11:21 AM
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The McMartin Preschool Abuse Trial, the longest and most expensive criminal trial in American history, should serve as a cautionary tale. When it was all over, the government had spent seven years and $15 million dollars investigating and prosecuting six people with over 115 counts... a case that led to no convictions. The prevailing belief is that nothing wrong ever happened.
Twenty two complaints? I think I'll wait out the process.
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Re: A caution. The McMartin Preschool Abuse Trial
Aug 14, 2021, 12:03 PM
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The charges in the McMartin Preschool Abuse case and the McMartins themselves cannot be compared in any way to Watson's accusations and Grand Jury.
The McMartins were not NFL superstars worth millions of dollars. The primary witnesses and victims in the McMartin cases were children, many of them very young, and very young children do not make good witnesses. The defense attacked the credibility of the children based on the way they were "interviewed" by so called child sexual abuse experts. I will not go into details, but young children who are sexually abused pose a huge challenge for criminal investigators and child welfare workers.
The adult "victims" in the Watson case in no way can be compared to the child victims in the McMartin case as far as a court trial is concerned. There were many mistakes made by investigators and those who were questioning the children thus guilt beyond a reasonable doubt was not proven and that is why that court case ended the way it did.
The last thing Watson and his attorney want is for Watson to be indicted by a grand jury. If that happens, he will have 2 choices, either accept a plea deal or go to trial. If he is indicted on multiple charges (each victim and each incident can be a separate criminal charge) the chances of a jury conviction on at least one or more charges is good. NOT certain, but the odds are good.
Knowing how grand juries work, I would be very nervous if I was the focus of a grand jury investigation.
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I still don’t understand that if you claim any kind of sexual assault
Aug 13, 2021, 9:33 PM
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Why do you also claim that you’re offended when you’re asked to give specifics. There’s too much GD coddling going on in this country right now. Tell us the story or be considered a liar, sued for libel and live your life in shame. If he did it, give details and make him the bad guy.
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Re: I still don’t understand that if you claim any kind of sexual assault
Aug 13, 2021, 9:38 PM
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GRAND JURY EMPANELED FOR INDICTMENNT WHICH IS NOT TO DIFFICULT...NOT THE END OF THE ROAD.
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I’m more talking about the accusers that are now claiming
Aug 13, 2021, 9:41 PM
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They are offended by the NFL asking questions
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Re: I’m more talking about the accusers that are now claiming
Aug 14, 2021, 3:44 PM
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Their ###### is not yet ready and there must be rehearsals; big money is on the line. They didn't want to tell the police about the "assaults", til months later when their lawyer instructed to do so-
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Scr¡p+ ****
Aug 14, 2021, 3:46 PM
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Re: I still don’t understand that if you claim any kind of sexual assault
Aug 14, 2021, 10:08 AM
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He will be indicted. The old saying, you can indict a ham sandwich with a grand jury is said for good reason. A grand jury only hears one side of the "evidence"---the prosecutor's side.
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Gotta say, I didn't expect things to get this far
Aug 13, 2021, 10:05 PM
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But I still expect a settlement to make it all go away before charges are filed.
Looks like Rusty Hardin and Deshaun will be the ones blinking.
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Re: Grand Jury will now decide Deshaun Watson’s fate
Aug 13, 2021, 10:08 PM
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If he’s indicted, even if eventually it were to go to trial and he’s acquitted, that’s what he’ll be known for. Will probably destroy his NFL career. Meanwhile, this POS lawyer and these women can carry on with their lives. See Duke Lacrosse as an example.
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Re: Grand Jury will now decide Deshaun Watson’s fate
Aug 13, 2021, 10:16 PM
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Look....i am a huge Watson fan but how is this a POS lawyer? Seems to me, as much as i hate it, that DW most likely has some level of guilt here. Unfortunately, imo a bunch of guilt. The last thing this world needs is another attorney BUT how is this guy a POS? Assuming DW is indicted (high % chance) then isnt the attorney simply doing his job?
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Look him up ...He a scumbag. Akim Anastopoulo style.***
Aug 13, 2021, 10:21 PM
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Re: Look him up ...He a scumbag. Akim Anastopoulo style.***
Aug 13, 2021, 10:29 PM
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I know who the attorney is but...20 plus women? You think this attorney orchestrated all this?
Again, I hate it but how is the attorney a POS in this? Put another way....would you say the attorney was a POS if it was Conner Shaw or Justin Fields facing these charges? Probably not
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Re: Look him up ...He a scumbag. Akim Anastopoulo style.***
Aug 13, 2021, 11:05 PM
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Yes, I would give Connor Shaw and Justin Fields the benefit of the doubt, because last time I checked, we’re in America and it’s innocent until proven guilty! Buzbee is a notorious ambulance chaser in Houston.
He’s about advancing himself and all about money in his pocket. Some of these actions supposedly happened one to two years ago and it’s “he said, she said”.
This “investigation” has been going for months. If DW was truly a vile predator and guilty of these actions, don’t you think him and his lawyer would have settled already and wanted to move on? He’s not a saint, and not a perfect human, but given how he behaved at Clemson and his actions towards others in his community, I’m giving Deshaun Watson the benefit of the doubt. He was your hero while at Clemson, but now when he’s down, it’s sad how many “fans” are wanting to turn him into Bill Cosby.
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The decider of Watson's fate is none other than
Aug 13, 2021, 11:19 PM
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Watson himself. All of this is the consequences and repercussions of his actions. He is the CEO of his life.
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Re: Grand Jury will now decide Deshaun Watson’s fate
Aug 14, 2021, 2:06 AM
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My one question is- some of these woman and, correct me if I am wrong, stated that this happen to them a few time when they were giving him a "massage". Now I am far from being the smartest cookie in the jar. I am thinking that if he was inappropriate the first time- I sure as hell-o would not service him again!
They can tell the horrible details to the lawyer but nobody else?
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Re: Grand Jury will now decide Deshaun Watson’s fate
Aug 14, 2021, 7:31 AM
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In my opinion you also lose credibility when you are a massage therapist on social media and fly 1/2 way across the country to give a pro football player a massage. Don’t act like you didn’t know what the intentions were. No one does that just for a massage.
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Re: Grand Jury will now decide Deshaun Watson’s fate
Aug 14, 2021, 7:31 AM
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In my opinion you also lose credibility when you are a massage therapist on social media and fly 1/2 way across the country to give a pro football player a massage. Don’t act like you didn’t know what the intentions were. No one does that just for a massage.
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Re: Grand Jury will now decide Deshaun Watson’s fate
Aug 14, 2021, 7:31 AM
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In my opinion you also lose credibility when you are a massage therapist on social media and fly 1/2 way across the country to give a pro football player a massage. Don’t act like you didn’t know what the intentions were. No one does that just for a massage.
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I think that's part of DWs problem. If you transport
Aug 14, 2021, 11:49 AM
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a hoe across state lines for the purpose of hoeing - that's a felony.
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Re: Grand Jury will now decide Deshaun Watson’s fate
Aug 14, 2021, 12:05 PM
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In my opinion you also lose credibility when you are a massage therapist on social media and fly 1/2 way across the country to give a pro football player a massage. Don’t act like you didn’t know what the intentions were. No one does that just for a massage.
This isn't rocket science. Ladies that advertise massage or body rubs normally state up front that "No Extras" are available or may say that "Upgrades" are available. Depending on what you want, this gives you an idea right away if the lady will be receptive to anything past a massage. I agree, ridiculous that a therapist flies cross country for only a massage. So, are you implying that DW is soliciting women for the purpose of prostitution? Is that in violation of his morality and ethics clause? Regardless, even if a therapist says upgrades are available that does not commit her to anything. If they don't care for the customer or situation they just give a massage and move on. So it really doesn't matter who she is or what she may have done or might do, no still means no. If there is no evidence the criminal proceedings will stop with no indictment. If there is some potential that a law was broken then it moves forward to the next step. For a criminal conviction the explicit details will have to be put forth. If it gets to a criminal trial I would expect a plea bargain but time will tell as the facts are introduced.
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Re: Grand Jury will now decide Deshaun Watson’s fate
Aug 14, 2021, 1:35 PM
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Things are getting really messy.
“Report: Human trafficking prosecutor sending subpoenas for Deshaun Watson investigation”
This was the headline of an article in NewsBreak.
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Re: Grand Jury will now decide Deshaun Watson’s fate
Aug 14, 2021, 2:00 PM
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I didn't think I would ever say this about this case or any similar case, but in hindsight, maybe paying a few million to the accusers would have been the best way out of this "mess". May be too late for that now.
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