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The game is done and yall can have it. The fun is gone.
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Re: The game is done and yall can have it. The fun is gone.
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Yep, it’s a joke. When billionaires decide who have the best team and players it just becomes meaningless at that point. The coaches have no real power in recruiting anymore. It’s all about who your alumni are and how much money they have.
Don’t really understand how anyone can defend this.
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Rival Killer [2909]
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If you don't understand, it's self imposed obsolescence******
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Re: If you don't understand, it's self imposed obsolescence******
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Dec 5, 2024, 6:44 AM
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There is a huge difference between not understanding something and not liking it. That seems to be what you don’t understand. And that’s more like self imposed arrogance.
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Rival Killer [2909]
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Re: If you don't understand, it's self imposed obsolescence******
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Dec 5, 2024, 6:57 AM
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Because it's the right thing to do.
I have the law and many federal court decisions on my side.
Those that don't like the portal, NIL, and corporate sponsorship are fans of the old illegal, exploitative model.
It's not arrogant, it's staking out the well established high moral ground.
Not being able to keep up is ignorant.
Dislike for what's right is appalling.
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"exploitative model."
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Dec 5, 2024, 7:39 AM
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kids who can barley read and write getting a chance at a free education is some turrrble exploitation.
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Rival Killer [2909]
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Non Sequitur.
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Dec 5, 2024, 9:03 AM
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It has been long established by the federal courts that a scholly isn't fair market value.
Ergo, the old system exploited the athletes.
You're welcome.
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Dynasty Maker [3478]
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Re: Non Sequitur.
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Dec 6, 2024, 7:18 AM
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Well the courts get many things wrong!
Exploited? Nobody forced them to play!
They were and are the most privileged people in the world!
Exploited ? What a joke!
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Paw Warrior [4786]
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I think most people dont have an issue with players getting paid
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Dec 5, 2024, 8:05 AM
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I think most people DO have an issue with players getting paid millions of dollars just to commit to one school over another. I do not care what you think about Clemson’s money pool, we do not have the money to compete with Nike, Barstool, Microsoft, Oil and the like. That is what people have an issue with.
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Re: If you don't understand, it's self imposed obsolescence******
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Dec 5, 2024, 8:27 AM
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Because it's the right thing to do.
I have the law and many federal court decisions on my side.
Those that don't like the portal, NIL, and corporate sponsorship are fans of the old illegal, exploitative model.
It's not arrogant, it's staking out the well established high moral ground.
Not being able to keep up is ignorant.
Dislike for what's right is appalling.
Nothing arrogant about that post. 😂😂😂
It’s always interesting when people claim their opinion is the only one that is “right”. As I said in another comment, there is a reason that judges decisions are called “opinions”.
Since you know more than us ignorant poasters, what adjective do you use to describe people who resort to calling others names to try to make their point? One thing that I do know is that it doesn’t help to convince anyone that your opinion is right or righteous, even when spewed from some self- proclaimed “high moral ground”.
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Rival Killer [2909]
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Strawman argument. Logical fallacy.
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Dec 5, 2024, 9:06 AM
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You're trying to put words in my mouth.
That's not an honest argument.
I do have the court decisions on my side.
That is factual. It also is the high moral ground, given that those who disagree want to deny other people their right to earn as much money as they can from their abilities.
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Re: Strawman argument. Logical fallacy.
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What words did I put in your mouth? Most of my comments include quotes but you say so much you probably don’t even remember what you said yourself. Everything here is just your opinion. Just like the judges’ rulings are theirs. The fact that they agree with your opinion doesn’t make it any more “right” or wrong than opinions that disagree. Judges opinions on a lot of very serious subjects have changed over the years. Hard to establish what is “right” sometimes based on their opinions.
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Re: Strawman argument. Logical fallacy.
Dec 5, 2024, 11:39 AM
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When you said that, it's a classic strawman.
It sounds a little like something I.saud, but I'd more extreme. It's a dishonest attempt to debunk something that YOU actually said.
Take a Logic 101 class then get back to me. Oh, and pay attention.
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Re: Strawman argument. Logical fallacy.
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I never used the phrase classic straw man. Not in this post , or maybe ever.
Your post is unintelligible.
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Rival Killer [2909]
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Only to those with an inability to discern.******
Dec 6, 2024, 1:14 AM
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Re: Strawman argument. Logical fallacy.
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Dont waste your time! Bluf is a trolling Putz. BUT he/she/them has the Sherman Act and the Court on their side! Everyone is tired of her schtick! No duscussion, just calling people ignorant, telling them to take 101's, offering nothing but regurgitated entitled "Free Market" crappola.
Honestly Bluff, you could offer something to this board if you wanted since you seem to like the legal side of the NIL debate but your condensending confrontational attitude makes you seem like an entitled brat! Why don't you try to offer insight and conversation instead of puking out the same robotic diarrhea every day? Just a suggestion?
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Re: Strawman argument. Logical fallacy.
Dec 5, 2024, 12:43 PM
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really ? Court decisions moral? like the one that said African Americans were 3/10th of a person, that slavery was legal? that women dont have the right to vote ? Nothing is more changable than court decisions
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Re: Strawman argument. Logical fallacy.
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I’ve been telling him that all day. He’s not listening.
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Rival Killer [2909]
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Baahahaha
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You're using a decision that supported exploitation to argue against decisions that reduced exploitation???
That's schizo .
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Re: Baahahaha
Dec 6, 2024, 6:21 AM
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So all this junk about having the courts in your side putting you on the high moral ground is just noise. You’re just always right and that’s all that matters.
Just curious, does being on high moral ground make it easier to lob insults down on the regular folks below you? You seem to be pretty good at it. Calling people schizo, stupid and all the other stuff you’ve spewed in this thread doesn’t really support your self proclaimed high moral position.
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Well - since it was a court decision - it MUST be MORAL AND TRUE
Dec 6, 2024, 4:18 AM
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Thank the lord that courts are the bastion of the highest ground of human morality.
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Re: If you don't understand, it's self imposed obsolescence******
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Dec 5, 2024, 9:11 AM
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Except the model doesn’t work for any professional sports league, which college football now is. So it will either die or it will be given the necessary exemptions to remain interesting enough to the general public. College football, for all the money being thrown around, draws a small fraction of the NFL audience. The evolution of the BCS into the 4 team playoff system did not help broaden the appeal. Expanding to 12 teams isn’t going to help if 8 of them come from the same two conferences and only 4-5 of those have a legit shot at winning once the billionaires are done. The House settlement is misleading. From a legal standpoint it only resolves a suit with former players. Any restriction regarding active and future players will be immediately challenged legally and will prevail. As you have rightly pointed out, the SC has made it clear that there is no basis to restrict player compensation. Until the government grants that permission D1 football will become more untenable for the average fan.
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Rival Killer [2909]
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Right on House/future players, wrong about everything else.
Dec 5, 2024, 9:15 AM
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The sky is not falling.
The new system is generating more interest, viewership, and money than ever before.
The playoffs are generating tons of interest, and the extra games will generate extra viewership and money.
It's a win/win for college football.
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Re: Right on House/future players, wrong about everything else.
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Yep, it is generating so much interest that you can go to the Big 10 Championship game for less than the cost of a hamburger and drink.
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Re: Right on House/future players, wrong about everything else.
Dec 5, 2024, 7:58 PM
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The playoffs haven’t even started so you can’t make that assertion. And the highest rating CFP final drew nearly 6.2 million less viewers than the average NFL wild card game. Half of a divisional championship. A conference championship is more than the combined regular season viewership of Alabama’s SEC games. The Super Bowl is more than the highest rating game of every week of the college football season combined. CFP final rankings have shrunk dramatically since the BCS era. The last 3 averaging just over 21 million. The highest rated game of the 4 teams era was the first one. It shed 35% of its audience by last (and the year before, and the year before …)
ESPN is over leveraged on college football and Disney had to institute cost cutting when no one was interested in buying a stake.
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Re: Right on House/future players, wrong about everything else.
Dec 6, 2024, 2:19 AM
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It’s going down the drain quickly with no hope and viewership will go down too.
The future isn’t looking bright for college football 🏈 as greed has become its driver for all involved.
Putting God first, family second and then our hobbies or programs we like to watch or play come after that.
The new college football is asking for more money and more money and it seems it will never be enough to make your team the best or even top 10 or 5.
The way it’s done is changing too with the top two money earners yielding power in deciding who’s the best.
It’s a new pre-NFL without restrictions on stealing players if your dirty & have the money 💰.
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Re: If you don't understand, it's self imposed obsolescence******
Dec 5, 2024, 10:28 AM
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According Ai.......NFL has between 15-20 million TV viewers for every game whereas College games average from 5 - 10 million viewers per game, except for big bowls and NATY which compare to NFL. Attendees, however, show that College football has many more in person attendees than NFL due to the large number of teams and a number of huge stadiums which seat 80-110,000 for each game, whereas NFL stadiums usually seat only 50 - 65,000.
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Re: If you don't understand, it's self imposed obsolescence******
Dec 5, 2024, 8:01 PM
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The big bowls might equal regular season viewership but the lowest rated NFL post season game draws more viewers than the highest rated college football game in a season.
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I agree with you, if...
Dec 5, 2024, 9:45 AM
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....your premise is college football is the minor league for the NFL and NBA.
There is no law, nor any court decision, that has stated that the NCAA is legally compelled to be the minor league for either of those two leagues.
But, if your premise is the primary purpose of the NCAA is to prepare athletes for the NBA and NFL, then I agree with you.
I simply state that the NCAA is not legally forced to play that role. They have voluntarily and eagerly assumed that role.
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Re: If you don't understand, it's self imposed obsolescence******
Dec 5, 2024, 11:48 AM
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Or stay with me here....
You can not like the old model and think the new model needs work. Ergo why they are working on it now.
Otherwise you would be engaging in tribal mentality, which is the hallmark move of the Dems. "If you arent totally in my camp you must be in that other camp"
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Re: If you don't understand, it's self imposed obsolescence******
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Dec 5, 2024, 6:56 AM
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So no real response? How is a place like Clemson supposed to compete in recruiting with Oregon? They have one alumni worth 34 billion willing to spend as much money as possible at recruits. Same with Michigan. Billionaire alumni decide who gets the best players.
Why are you ok with this? It’s completely unfair. Soon only the 9-10 richest alumni bases will have all of the players. Unless guard rails are put on, unlikely.
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Rival Killer [2909]
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Easy . Corporate sponsorship
Dec 5, 2024, 6:59 AM
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BMW, Michelin, Flour Daniel, Prisma, QT, etc.
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110%er [3640]
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Re: Easy . Corporate sponsorship
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Dec 5, 2024, 7:10 AM
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BMW, Michelin, Flour Daniel, Prisma, QT, etc.
Corporations get involved in marketing with the intent of gaining a return in sales or services. They get little return donating to NIL for a vast majority of athletes who have no meaningful NIL marketability. Phil Knight and other big donors get to play NFL owner for their school buying players which is not true NIL compensation. I have no problem with sharing the profits of revenue generated. That’s where corporations will get involved but it won’t be chaos like Larry Ellison jumping on a Zoom call and agreeing to pay a HS kid millions to flip his commitment. That’s not legit NIL.
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Rival Killer [2909]
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The whine above says otherwise.
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Dec 5, 2024, 7:13 AM
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Nike, Barstool, etc, say hello.
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Rival Killer [2896]
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Re: The whine above says otherwise.
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Dec 5, 2024, 7:41 AM
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Nike and Barstoll have FOUNDER CEOs that are zealous fans AND happen to also be the chairman of the board or have hand placed the COB. Because they founded the company they’ve made BILLIONS. Just like Yellawood for Auburn. None of the SC corporations around us have Clemson alumni FOUNDER CEOs. For example the Whataburger guy is a rabid Clemson fan but is getting a CEO salary not a founder that has already cashed in Billions.
Do you really think BMW or Michelin give a hoot if Clemson has good football?
Do you know that Clemson University has the smallest endowment in the ACC?
WE DO NOT HAVE THAT KIND OF MONEY AVAILABLE.
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Rival Killer [2909]
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Endowment doesn't matter
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It can't be used for NIL.
Feel free to stop conflating endowment with what matters - NIL.
Clemson is holding steady at #17 in NIL according to both ON3 and 24/7 Sports.
Only FSU and UVa are ahead of us in ACC NIL funding.
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Clemson Icon [27518]
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Re: Endowment doesn't matter
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So based on the logic I see on here daily regarding coach’s salaries, we should finish 3rd in the ACC and be happy with that.
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Re: The whine above says otherwise.
Dec 6, 2024, 1:34 AM
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When he put Michelin and BMW as support for corporate sponsorships at Clemson to pay players more he really showed how little he understands about corporate money. I literally laughed out loud when I read it.
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Re: Easy . Corporate sponsorship
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QT is an Oklahoma company, with a Chairman from Oklahoma. What is the QT connection to Clemson?
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Re: If you don't understand, it's self imposed obsolescence******
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You pretty much summed it up. The mega rich now control every aspect of our nation, including collegiate sports. Consequently, teams in the B1G and sec will recruit or flip the vast majority of the best talent, which will make it possible to easily win over everyone else. As Dabo pointed out, this year's playoff is just a B1G and sec tournament.
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Re: If you don't understand, it's self imposed obsolescence******
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Dec 5, 2024, 7:27 AM
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Everyone understands it!
Greed and selfishness by players and people who control players and stinking lawyers and judges with woke agendas have royally ruined college athletics!
I understand it perfectly!
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Re: If you don't understand, it's self imposed obsolescence******
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How about the coach making $11M per year. That’s one greedy bas#$&*.
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Re: If you don't understand, it's self imposed obsolescence******
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My answer to that is he is a professional! He went to school and got an education and training in the field of His choosing!
Dabo did not start out at 11 million He started as the lowest paid coach in the ACC. He has shared his salary and bonus money with His coaching staff. Dabo is being paid for what he has done. If he drops from that production the school has the right to let him go!
He makes Clemson far far more than the 11 Million they pay him.
He also has a contract!
Right now everything favors the player and they are not living in the real world!
It is broken! It is ruined as it currently stands!
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Rival Killer [2909]
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That's Bizzarro World backwards from reality.
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Dec 5, 2024, 8:01 AM
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The greed and selfishness is on the part of the NCAA, the schools, the coaches, and the associated equipment and services vendors who got rich on the backs of the athletes.
Nowhere else in America can businesses get away with agreeing not to pay their workers a fair market rate on the theory that their product is defined by not paying their workers a fair market rate
Under ordinary principles of antitrust law, it is not evident why college sports should be any different."
"The NCAA is not above the law."
SCOTUS Justice Brett Kavanaugh
Concurring opinion
NCAA vs Alston
The old NCAA system was exploitation right out of the Communist Manifesto.
Why would any American support such a horrible thing?
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Re: That's Bizzarro World backwards from reality.
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“ Nowhere else in America can businesses get away with agreeing not to pay their workers a fair market rate on the theory that their product is defined by not paying their workers a fair market rate”.
Name a company where workers make as much as or more than the CEO or highest level managers?
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Dynasty Maker [3115]
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The NFL, NBA, MLB , for starters***
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Posted this in support of Kavanaugh's take, not Mr. "Appeals to Outliers" guy.
It's horrendously naive to assume billion $ corporate sponsorships are "easy," or that the NIL model isn't going to eventually be refashioned into whatever the conferences and universities want it to be, at the expense of the players it's meant to help.
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Re: That's Bizzarro World backwards from reality.
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I’m what world does the old system line up with Marx’s ideas ? You do not understand Marx’s ideas if you think the exploitation by the NCAA/Schools off the backs of the student athletes was socialism. That’s capitalism, which robs people of their wages and funnels it to the top as “profit”. Marx said that workers should own their own labor, which is essentially what is happening now.
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It's the opposite of woke. Get real.
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It's based on laws that have been around since the 1890's. They were t enforced in college sports until a few athletes realize it applied to them and sued.
It's the opposite of woke. It's pure free market capitalism. You know, what the woke crowd hates because they are too lazy to compete in it?
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Game Changer [2073]
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Re: It's the opposite of woke. Get real.
Dec 5, 2024, 1:45 PM
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How about inventions by students or employees of a company created while attending/working there? Don’t those go to the university/company (ie sticky notes)?
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Re: It's the opposite of woke. Get real.
Dec 6, 2024, 2:24 AM
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There’s no such thing as “pure free market capitalism”. What complete utter nonsense. All companies use roads, police, etc, paid for by the public. There could never be “pure free market capitalism”, it would collapse very quickly.
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Re: It's the opposite of woke. Get real.
Dec 6, 2024, 2:26 AM
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So everyone who doesn’t support “pure free market capitalism” is woke and lazy. God, you’re a very simple minded person.
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Re: The game is done and yall can have it. The fun is gone.
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Dec 5, 2024, 9:01 AM
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Agree, but coaches goal is the CFP. We have a fantastic supportive fan base, but can't compete against the Phil Knights or schools with massive alumni money like OSU or UGA.
The silver lining for teams in our position is the 12 team playoff. There is the Power 2, SEC and BIG, and the non power 3, including the ACC.
If the ultimate goal is CFP, I bet Lane Kiffin would prefer playing in a different conference.
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Re: The game is done and yall can have it. The fun is gone.
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I get it.
I feel like a fool spending so much money to go watch these players that really do not give a rip about the school/ team / program.
If they would at least implement a 1 year “sit out “ rule on transfers , you would feel like there’s a better chance the guy that just signed on signing day will be there 3 years later. Right now, there’s zero punishment for switching schools every single year.
Not to mention that college football has turned into the least fan friendly sport in the country. When they do away with Fan Appreciation Day for the kids to at least come get their favorite players autograph like we all used to do because of NIL, why should those fans sit out in 100 degree heat at noon in September and walk 2 miles up hill for that same league
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Rival Killer [2909]
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How out of touch are you?
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Dec 5, 2024, 6:36 AM
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The NCAA cannot interfere with or restrict athlete transfers just as they can't fit any other student.
So says the federal court in the Ohio vs NCAA case. Somewhere around 15 other states' attorney generals joined that suit.
So, what you want is how NCAA execs get jailed for contempt of court and fined and sued into oblivion.
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Re: How out of touch are you?
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Dec 5, 2024, 7:31 AM
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Maybe I need to read that case. If it says what you say it is entirely wrong! ( half these judges don’t know the difference between male and female)
Students are restricted from just going school to school at least by grades and time frames.
Those other students are not being paid!
We are no longer talking about students they have become employees !
As employees they like the rest of the world should have contracts and contracts benefit both parties!
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can they not have bylaws and participation restrictions? its just a free for all
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Dec 5, 2024, 9:07 AM
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now? Why can't they have transfer rules for their programs? My job uses non competes all the time. They can't tell you that you can't go to another place altogether but they put limitations out there. And you have that decision to say, no I don't want to work for you. So i guess these kids can turn down playing for colleges associated with the NCAA and wait the 3 year period to be eligible for the NFL if they want to.
There has to be limitations of the free for all nature that we've thrown our hands up at for the last 3 years. Otherwise it will undoubtedly be one major league and then a bunch of secondary leagues. Based on NIL funders and TV contracts. Clemson is a dying program if not.
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Re: The game is done and yall can have it. The fun is gone.
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I’m feeling similar frustration. I don’t blame the kids. I blame the adults who created this Wild West system of haves and have nots for their own selfish motives.
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Blame the NCAA for their illegal, exploitive model.
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Dec 5, 2024, 6:30 AM
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Thank the courts for fixing it.
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Re: Blame the NCAA for their illegal, exploitive model.
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It is Ed Obannon’s fault. He opened this door. He killed NCAA football game franchise. The first time name image and likeness was litigated. Bluffton isn’t wrong. This Wild West was created by lawsuits the NCAA lost. We have legal precedents we have to follow. Restricting the portal is against the law.
The only chance we have is Tommy Tuberville. He’s working on passing laws that would make common sense limits on transfers, NIL, and revenue sharing. Pray the republicans listen and pass these laws while they have bicameral control.
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Rival Killer [2909]
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That's utter B.S.
Dec 5, 2024, 7:02 AM
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The NCAA was at fault for their decades of illegal exploitation.
O'Bannon, Alston, House, and the states of Ohio and Tennessee figured it out and got the courts to swing the pendulum toward fairness to the athletes.
The NCAA has lost every related case.
That says that they, not O'Bannon or anyone else is responsible for anything stemming from their corrupt model.
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Even if Tuberville is successful
Dec 5, 2024, 7:17 AM
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(doubtful) it's going to radically change things much more that what's being complained about here.
Employment and no student requirements.
Unionization.
The right to strike.
A draft instead of recruiting.
131 team parity.
Excluding the military academies because they can't use that model.
Your kid being forced to play for Oregon or Fresno State instead of Clemson if they draft him. Good luck getting to his games.
You really didn't think this through, did you?
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Re: Blame the NCAA for their illegal, exploitive model.
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Dec 5, 2024, 7:45 AM
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They should be paid for their NIL. I have no problem with that.
What they are being paid for is playing Football.
That is two different things!
Let them sale all the posters and t.shirts and games they are able to sell! Do all the commercials you like.
But those contracts should be between the player and the game maker , t shirt maker and advertisers not between players and schools for playing a sport.
( if the school sells the jersey then the player deserves something) I don’t know maybe something like a free education and room and board and all the other perks that come with a scholarship!
It’s ruined! Sooner or later people
Will stop watching and going to games and then it all falls apart.
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Re: Blame the NCAA for their illegal, exploitive model.
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Dec 5, 2024, 7:04 AM
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The exploitation goes on They just moved the cheese. Glad the kids get their piece but now the universities become exploited by billionaires and corporations. The Cinderella programs will eventually cease to exist.
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This is sad. America's best sport (IMO) is gone.***
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That's backwards from reality. It's better than ever.******
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Re: That's backwards from reality. It's better than ever.******
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There’s where we disagree. It’s a $h1t show. It’s the NFL. We already have a pro league with zero loyalty. You don’t understand that part of committing to a school is learning loyalty and how to be a good human being?! This model teaches them to be prostitutes
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Rival Killer [2909]
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In what planet do you reside.
Dec 5, 2024, 7:05 AM
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It's clearly not the NFL. I understand that athletes decommitted all the time going back decades.
It's stupid to make that some moral crusade. It's a simple business or life choice decision for the athletes.
And...if you've ever changed jobs, your stance is nauseating hypocrisy. 🤮🤮🤮
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Re: In what planet do you reside.
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Dec 5, 2024, 8:34 AM
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So it’s “stupid to make that some moral crusade” while you have made your opinion into an obvious moral crusade by proclaiming you are occupying “moral high ground”. You really do think a lot of yourself don’t you?
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Not even. I actually made what I post in facts and the law.
Dec 5, 2024, 9:20 AM
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I don't call for things that break the law like transfer restrictions or capping NIL.
I don't call for restricting other people's income because I'm jealous or can't keep up with things that move fast.
And...it's not a crusade. I just get embarrassed by the number of Clemson people who want to exploit others because they think Clemson can't compete.
Those that advocate for breaking the law are clearly staking out the low moral ground. All I have to do is stand still, and compared to them I get the high moral ground by default.
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That's bogus******
Dec 5, 2024, 9:11 AM
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Wrong again sparky!
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Dec 5, 2024, 9:14 AM
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Tampering
Player rights
Salary cap
Draft pay scale
Etc
But you already knew that and wanted to be a clown.
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Re: Wrong again sparky!
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Dec 5, 2024, 9:32 AM
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Just click the trolls flag. Responding just triggers it more. LOL
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Re: That's backwards from reality. It's better than ever.******
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Dec 5, 2024, 6:58 AM
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This is one season Bluffton. If this continues only the richest alumni bases will have the best players. Oregon, Michigan, Texas. Clemson doesn’t have a Phil Knight. If you can understand that I don’t know what to tell you.
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Corporate sponsorship.
Dec 5, 2024, 7:21 AM
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Tennessee just got millions for letting a regional convenience store chain out their logos on their field for the next 5 or 6 years.
That does not include naming rights to either the stadium or the field.
Others are pursuing similar deals. They don't have Knight or Portnoy, either.
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Re: Corporate sponsorship.
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Dec 5, 2024, 7:51 AM
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Are you referring to Jim Haslam, founder of Pilot and Flying J? The same guy who was captain of the Tennessee football team in 1952 and is worth close to a billion dollars? He has given millions to the university so far and is not likely to stop, as his son is part owner of the Cleveland Browns. He's pretty close to a Knight or Portnoy.
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Re: You have your opinion and I'll have mine.***
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Dec 5, 2024, 8:40 AM
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But his opinion “right” and is spewed from moral high ground and supported by opinions from judges (lawyers who somehow gained enough favor from some politician to be appointed). Our opinions are just “stupid” and born from ignorance.
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Re: The game is done and yall can have it. The fun is gone.
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Dec 5, 2024, 6:10 AM
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But I thought Dabo said “ain’t nobody gonna have more money to spend than Clemson…”
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Re: The game is done and yall can have it. The fun is gone.
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Dec 5, 2024, 6:44 AM
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He is talking about Clemson having revenue sharing money available after July 2025. Clemson does not control NIL money and who gets it. The "Collective" does. I am not sure how Clemson stacks up to the SEC or B1G with the revenue sharing but the schools don't have to use the same formula in distributing that to all sports.
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Re: The game is done and yall can have it. The fun is gone.
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Dec 5, 2024, 6:56 AM
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Look at our ledger. We aren’t in debt and drowning. Most SEC schools are. USuC is drowning. We built everything with cash. Dabo land. Stadium renovations. You name it. Cash.
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Rival Killer [2909]
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Your love for law teaming and exploitation is noted.
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Dec 5, 2024, 6:29 AM
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Your hatred for capitalism and fair market value along with it.
Look around - the portal and NIL haters are the ones sucking it.
Your position is un-American as can be.
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Rival Killer [2909]
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"lawbreaking"***
Dec 5, 2024, 6:33 AM
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Why don't you get an ® so you can edit
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Dec 5, 2024, 7:44 AM
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especially since you're the Tnet NIL know-it-all (google-it-all) and like to use a lot of big fancy words for w/e reason and post 10 to 30 times in NIL and portal threads?
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Rival Killer [2909]
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Here's the vest part. I didn't do it.
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Dec 5, 2024, 6:39 AM
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I merely point out the legal and legislative background and what led to the current situation.
The NCAA and the coaches and programs that used the old, illegal system are just as guilty as the NCAA.
Bit...it's the USA. You have a Constitutional right to be as stupid and confused as you wish.
If you can't keep up, just admit it...oh, you already did that.
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Re: Here's the vest part. I didn't do it.
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Dec 5, 2024, 6:52 AM
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There is a reason that judges decisions are called “opinions”.
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Rival Killer [2909]
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Yet, judges decisions are what matters in courts.
Dec 5, 2024, 7:22 AM
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The NCAA is zero for every case they've been in about NIL, transfers, or previous liability.
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Re: Yet, judges decisions are what matters in courts.
Dec 5, 2024, 11:47 AM
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And in time, this could very well change. Can you think of any other court opinions regarding extremely important (maybe even life and death) issues that have changed with time? This is my point, just because the current court opinions say one thing, that doesn’t make it right or moral. These judges are lawyers who scored enough points with some politician to get appointed. I don’t trust very many lawyers so why should I believe these judges’ opinions are any more right, righteous, or moral than the opinions of others? They simply hold power at this point in time. Times change. And sometimes opinions change with them. Having a different opinion isn’t breaking the law as much as you want to make it sound like. Acting on that opinion might be, but most of us are not in any position to make decisions regarding player payments anyway.
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Top TigerNet [31718]
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Here, a bunch of people who really really love capitalism Until
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🤣🤣🤣
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Orange Elite [5213]
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It will settle down with time.
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Dec 5, 2024, 6:57 AM
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There’s only one champion each year. Donors and boosters will tire of spending large amounts of money on second place.
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I hope so.***
Dec 5, 2024, 7:11 AM
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Re: It will settle down with time.
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Dec 5, 2024, 7:13 AM
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I don’t think so. Look at the rise in salary escalations and increasing values of teams in professional sports. The only way it slows down is if the public interest wanes to a point that the negative financial impact is truly felt.
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Re: The game is done and yall can have it. The fun is gone.
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Clemson isn’t doing ANYTHING with the NIL they have to improve the HS recruiting. Everyone else has the same disadvantage Clemson does against Phil Knight and Oregon.
The others still use their money to recruit. Clemson just doesn’t and won’t. Nobody likes the state of things, coaches, fans, no one. But everyone else still at least TRIES to compete.
Instead of crying about Oregon and their advantages, maybe fans should be asking why Clemson isn’t doing anything and bringing in a trash recruiting class while paying their coach National Title money.
What do you think Bama, UGA, Ohio St, etc etc fans would be saying if their HC signed a class like this one? They would be raising all sorts of hail. Y’all just take it, and defend it, and demonize anyone who says, “Hey, what the eff is happening here.”
Clemson is a program that is now a blue blood. But the fans for the most part still have an inferiority complex. You should be mad assuming you still want to see elite teams. I guess many don’t.
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This x 1,000!!! ******
Dec 5, 2024, 7:24 AM
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Re: This x 1,000!!! ******
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IMO the NFL is partly if not completely responsible for the situation we find ourselves in. They still have in place the 3 year rule qualifier to play in their league! This rule may have had merit back in the day, but the athletes being produced now from high schools are physical specimens. I think if the NFL would expand their rosters and allow these high schoolers to play pro ball, much of this issue would resolve itself. What it will take is players to decline playing in the league because they made enough money in college to pursue less violent revenue streams. Looking into my crystal ball I see the smaller schools dissolving their athletic departments and going back to educating people who want to get ahead.
This is not the end of college football but you can see it from here!
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Rival Killer [2909]
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Dunno. The NFL has an antitrust exemption.
Dec 5, 2024, 8:07 AM
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That's why they can get away with the 3 years of college rule. Esse totally they get a free minor league with zero financial or physical risk.
It will be interesting to see if the NCAA actually gets an Antitrust exemption. If they do, it will likely come with the elimination of student status, unionization, and doing away with eligibility requirements.
If athletes can play for their colleges for 10 or 15 years while staying close to home, it's going to greatly limit the NFL pool of potential athletes. That will likely lower their in field quality and reduce their fan interest and money.
I see the NFL probably lobbying long and hard against an ATE for the NCAA based on this.
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Re: Dunno. The NFL has an antitrust exemption.
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The rule is in place because the NFL believes high schoolers would be exposed to mental and physical risks. My argument is they already are being exposed in todays college football atmosphere. If the league wanted too they could expand their rosters 10 to 15 additional positions per team and develop their own talent which would more than accommodate the 300 or so high schoolers who potentially could make it to the NFL and skip college. I do see the elimination of class attendance quickly approaching and this will eventually alienate the fan bases of college football in general which will lead to lower attendance which will slowly kill the game we all love! Don’t get it twisted, the college football players of old who you say were exploited would disagree with your assessment! From my view the school gave these guys the platform to self promote and hone their craft so they can go on to make money in the league or other professions. I haven’t met a former player yet who feels they were a “victim “ or who believes they were deprived or taken advantage of during their college career. Most of them get rock star treatment when they come back years later.
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Re: This x 1,000!!! ******
Dec 5, 2024, 11:33 AM
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The NFLs concerns don't lie with the athlete's physicality, it's what's between their ears that the NFL is interested in maturing.
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Re: The game is done and yall can have it. The fun is gone.
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If what was happening was true NIL, then I wouldn't have an issue with it. We don't have that. We have pay-for-play, tampering, etc.
In order to stop this, we need some rules in place like getting rid of signing day. If you want to commit, you sign a contractual agreement with that school. If you want out, you have to pay damages. These kids want to be professionals, then they have to act like it on their end. Right now, they can do whatever they want without repercussions. Open NIL deals are another start. I kind of like the 3rd party oversight entity to make sure NIL deals make sense. That's part of the settlement.
Tampering, if proven, results in that player not being able to sign with that school, financial penalties, etc. You want to talk about law, make these players sign contracts, then tampering becomes tortious interference with a contract. This takes it out of the NCAA's hands.
You can talk about exploitative, but how many of these athletes are the first college graduates in their family? How many students are getting full tuition, room/board, meals, clothing, etc. covered?
Exploitative is a flashy word to garner support. I agree the system became unbalanced, and, now, we have to get the system back in balance.
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Re: The game is done and yall can have it. The fun is gone.
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Right. Bluffton wants to equate this with the business world. EVERY highly compensated individual that I have know in the business world was subject to a non-compete agreement that said they would not take their talents to a competitor company for a specific period of time after leaving the current company. This is the part of capitalism that he wants to ignore from his self proclaimed “moral high ground”.
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Dynasty Maker [3115]
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I'm not sure Bluffton is a lawyer, a statistician, or an economist.
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Because he speaks as though he has all the answers while a lawyer, a statistician, or an economist would know better.
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Rival Killer [2909]
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True NIL? What, exactly, is that?
Dec 5, 2024, 9:11 AM
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If someone wants to give an athlete a million bucks to sell a few t-shirts or advertise for a local BBQ restaurant, then it's fair market value.
All NIL is "true NIL" short of outright fraud by a collective.
Tampering? It's no different than corporate headhunting. Perfectly legal under the law.
Why are people that live capitalism in their personal lives so against it for others? That's hypocritical.
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Re: True NIL? What, exactly, is that?
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Dec 5, 2024, 10:11 AM
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True NIL is paying someone to provide some kind of marketing service in which to promote a product. Larry Ellison doesn't own Michigan. He isn't paying players to boost the value of Michigan or Oracle products. He's doing it as a plaything. There's no anticipated ROI other than him celebrating a national championship. A local car dealership providing CK a car to drive around campus is NIL. Everyone would recognize CK around Clemson. That makes sense. I don't have an issue with Larry Ellison if we simply abandon the collegiate model. Just be done with it. Make it a minor league.
Corporate headhunting that amounts to tortious interference with a contract is in fact illegal. If someone has a contract with a company and that individual is induced to break that contract, the interfering party is subject to liability. There's a difference between someone who is under contract and someone who isn't. If said company wants to hire said corporate executive, there is likely to be some kind of liquidated damages or buyout clause. Put that into these contracts with athletes. For example, let's say Clemson signs Gideon Davidson to a 4 year athletic agreement. In that agreement, it states that if another school wants Gideon to transfer, that school must pay $1,000,000 to Clemson.
I got tired of typing and haven't read through this.
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Clemson Icon [27518]
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Re: True NIL? What, exactly, is that?
Dec 5, 2024, 11:53 AM
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I tried to explain non compete agreements to this guy too. Evidently that part of capitalism doesn’t apply here. 😂😂😂
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Re: True NIL? What, exactly, is that?
Dec 5, 2024, 1:15 PM
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There is a push at the federal level to ban non-compete agreements, but, to me, I think we can avoid that whole line of thinking and instead focus on the contractual relationship. Inducing someone to break a valid contract has legal ramifications.
Here's a couple examples. If the Panthers wanted to convince Peyton Manning to play for them, they (or Peyton) would have to pay whatever penalties are prescribed in the contract. Most people wouldn't have an issue with this example.
Now, let's say the Panthers wanted Patrick Mahomes. They can't because he's under contract with another team. In college football, you simply reach out through back channels, player enters the portal, and then signs with you school. This needs to go away. Quickly. To me, the issue is the lack of the contract.
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Clemson Icon [27518]
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Re: True NIL? What, exactly, is that?
Dec 5, 2024, 3:14 PM
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That makes a lot of sense.
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Rival Killer [2896]
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Re: The game is done and yall can have it. The fun is gone.
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Dec 5, 2024, 7:43 AM
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Nike and Barstoll have FOUNDER CEOs that are zealous fans AND happen to also be the chairman of the board or have hand placed the COB. Because they founded the company they’ve made BILLIONS. Just like Yellawood for Auburn. None of the SC corporations around us have Clemson alumni FOUNDER CEOs. For example the Whataburger guy is a rabid Clemson fan but is getting a CEO salary not a founder that has already cashed in Billions.
Do you really think BMW or Michelin give a hoot if Clemson has good football?
Do you know that Clemson University has the smallest endowment in the ACC?
WE DO NOT HAVE THAT KIND OF MONEY AVAILABLE.
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Re: The game is done and yall can have it. The fun is gone.
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Dec 5, 2024, 8:16 AM
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It's the nature of new markets.
College athletes have effectively become a new market. There is currently a frenzy of investors trying to get in on the action to get the best players for their teams. Basically FOMO.
But as most new markets with such a frenzy, a bubble is forming. Eventually the bubble will burst and the market will drop and stabilize.
For now, it's just a wild ride.
While I do wish we could get some more involvement in that market from Clemson, I'm not mad at the direction of the sport in this regard. No one gets made at Patrick Mahomes for doing commercials for State Farm, but suddenly just because a man is still in college, people get mad about it.
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Dynasty Maker [3574]
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How do guys like Phil get a pass, yet Elon gets raked over coals
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Dec 5, 2024, 8:17 AM
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How many times does Phil go visit his "factories" in Asia? Does he not have a conscience? How does Nike seem to get a pass from the far left?
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Legend [6920]
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we all know why Elon got raked over the coals***
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Dec 5, 2024, 9:27 AM
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Game Day Hero [4282]
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I agree with you. I was at all 3 natties, many bowls, travel. Probably done.
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Dec 5, 2024, 8:18 AM
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I went from a fanatical fan - to casual fan in about 3 years.
I traveled to all 3 natties, most playoff games, many road games and no matter where I lived, I came home for at least 1 game a year. The money spread into college football , transfer portal, nil, etc has removed my college football soul. I previously did not like pro football compared to college football- but now would rather watch it. It at least has rules.
When Clemson has had just a few decommitments the prior 5 years (total) - to 7 in the past month or two. Something is wrong.. and no - it is NOT Dabo.
We went from a full scholarship plus stipend worth hundreds of thousands - to - paying players hundreds of thousands to millions - to switch schools. Where tampering is fully accepted. Where fans ridicule a coach for doing it the right way.
And, all of this is not just a Clemson issue.
I guess early on, I was part of the issue. I supported the premise that NIL was a good thing and accepted the BS that only a few players like a Trevor Lawrence - would benefit. Now, it seems, they all do.
Sadly, college football is no longer the game I enjoyed.
50 years of iptay - this is my last.
For those that enjoy this, good for you. Have fun, pull for the Tigers. Us old guys will still pull, but not like we used to - remembering the days when college athletes were student athletes. Be safe and well.
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CU Medallion [19841]
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Billionaires and big corporations run the Government and society
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Dec 5, 2024, 8:48 AM
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The system is capitalism.
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Dynasty Maker [3115]
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Yep. And a lot of these kids are going to get to learn it
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Dec 5, 2024, 9:04 AM
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good and hard.
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Re: The game is done and yall can have it. The fun is gone.
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Dec 5, 2024, 9:21 AM
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It’s still football and is played in the field
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Asst Coach [820]
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Re: The game is done and yall can have it. The fun is gone.
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Dec 5, 2024, 9:21 AM
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It’s still football and is played in the field
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Rival Killer [2909]
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The fun is better than ever, for those that have the vision
Dec 5, 2024, 1:52 PM
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to see the big picture.
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Ultimate Tiger [36087]
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IMO, this is where Dabo's little experiment would actually work.
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Dec 5, 2024, 9:38 AM
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By finding and developing guys that are looking more for culture/development than a payday -- and they're out there -- Clemson will be a beacon. Except Dabo has to two major things:
1) Hire coaches who actually can develop players rather than turning coaching into its own development program. This requires guys with experience, and are not the equivalent of walk-ons "with promise."
2) USE THE DANG PORTAL. Not to stuff the team, but to fill talent gaps where they exist.
I think the NIL game is the least of Clemson's worries, and Dabo can (mostly) stick to his guns here. But, the unique selling point of Clemson's program, if it isn't truckloads of cash, has to be the ability to develop and play in the CFP. We've been failing at this for a while.
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Re: The game is done and yall can have it. The fun is gone.
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Dec 5, 2024, 9:39 AM
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Two or three posters on here think everything is great and rosy ........ a couple of dozen think the system is broken, whether legal or not. Ok, let's say, as the Supreme Court has ruled, all that is being done is legal and everything is just fine. If the ratio of those just loving it versus those who are deeply concerned, even to extent of stopping supporting and watching it is six against and one in favor of it, then how is it going to survive? They are going to have to start playing Clemson games in Historic Riggs field.
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Re: The game is done and yall can have it. The fun is gone.
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Dec 5, 2024, 10:39 AM
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The model is completely broken right now. There is zero value placed on education for collegiate sports.
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It wont survive
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Dec 5, 2024, 11:49 AM
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Ask the USFL, XFL, HE Hate Me FL
Now i know Bluffing Tony Buzbee will be on here any minute and quote court cases but if attendance declines and upper decks are covered in tarps then i hope the proponents will buy all the unsold tickets.
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Re: The game is done and yall can have it. The fun is gone.
Dec 5, 2024, 11:43 AM
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1) Salary caps for each university
2) Union labor strikes
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Clemson Conqueror [11531]
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Re: The game is done and yall can have it. The fun is gone.
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Dec 5, 2024, 11:45 AM
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Recruiting rankings don't matter supposedly. That's what I read on here at least. We don't want the top ranked QB in the nation, because he wants money. We prefer players that don't want money.
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It's pretty crazy. It seems to me that a lot of fans are supporting their
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Dec 5, 2024, 12:09 PM
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teams out of pure muscle memory. But there's very little reason to. As I've said before, when Dabo leaves Clemson, I'm sure he'll be replaced by someone aligned with the current landscape and I'm sure I'll be completely done with it.
Previously, I'd get excited when a high school junior verballed to Clemson. It almost definitely meant they were going there and would be there three to four years. They liked the culture, the school, the staff, their teammates...the facilities.
Now, I hardly pay attention to who is currently on the team. Employees on one-year contracts who sorted through programs that met their minimal requirements (in other words, have the facilities and programs to develop them for the next level) and otherwise went to the highest bidder. Did I say one-year contracts? I guess it's more like "four games". If after four games, they know they can get paid somewhere else...time to shut it down. And what do you say if you're an Oregon fan? A 80-something year old local businessman is literally BUYING you a championship. How much pride does one feel about that?
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Yessir. I told someone recently that I support The Tigers "because that's just
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Dec 5, 2024, 12:56 PM
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what I've always done". (muscle memory)
My connection to the players that I once felt has almost completely eroded. It's not the players fault - I don't blame them. But I'm not interested in watching "students" represent my university solely because we were able to pay them more than someone else.
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Re: Yessir. I told someone recently that I support The Tigers "because that's just
Dec 6, 2024, 12:52 PM
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what I've always done". (muscle memory)
My connection to the players that I once felt has almost completely eroded. It's not the players fault - I don't blame them. But I'm not interested in watching "students" represent my university solely because we were able to pay them more than someone else.
It's like the one and dones in basketball, it used to be great to see a player develop over several years. I live in Wilmington, so I've watched UNCW basketball over the years. Seeing a player like Brett Blizzard develop and get better every year was fun to watch. Duke and Kentucky won what, 2 or 3 titles with the one and dones? Like you, it's not the players fault, If I had, for example Zion Williamson's talent, why would I want to risk a career ending injury when after 1 year I can sign for millions. Remember the Duke cheater game where his shoe blew out? How close was that to being the end of his career?
One thing I said at the start of the one and dones was if the school had an insurance policy for the players to cover a career ending injury, perhaps they would stay longer. But, perhaps not unless it was a big policy.
Bluffton is correct it that the old way was against the law (per the courts). You might not like that, but it's not his fault the courts ruled. As far as non competes, I've seen those successfully challenges at my company.
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Re: The game is done and yall can have it. The fun is gone.
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Dec 5, 2024, 12:59 PM
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I laugh when I see someone defending NIL. When there’s about 5-8 schools that can pony up the stupid money. It will ruin college football if something isn’t done soon.
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Rival Killer [2909]
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We been hearing that canard, yet CFB is better than ever.
Dec 6, 2024, 1:17 AM
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The sky is not falling, Chicken Little.
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Re: We been hearing that canard, yet CFB is better than ever.
Dec 6, 2024, 11:05 AM
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How are you quantifying this?
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Rival Killer [2909]
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Easy
Dec 6, 2024, 11:11 AM
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More viewership, more fan interest, more money, and the old exploitation NCAA model stopped.
Win, Win, Win, and Win.
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Re: The game is done and yall can have it. The fun is gone.
Dec 6, 2024, 6:39 AM
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If you're not enjoying football, I suggest trying other sports. Baseball, basketball, soccer—all are interesting sports.
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Game Day Hero [4332]
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Re: The game is done and yall can have it. The fun is gone.
Dec 6, 2024, 7:30 AM
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If Clemson had a Phil Knight type donor I'm sure it would still be fun to you.
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