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Reasons I don't believe the assassination attempt was a conspiracy...
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Jul 18, 2024, 2:35 PM
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.... orchestrated by a group of people.
Let's say some group of people wanted Trump killed. Call them G. I don't care if G is funded by some left wing political group, if G is a terrorist organization or if G is part of someone in our own government.
1. You don't hire someone as unqualified as the shooter to be your shooter. 2. You don't train him to show up at a check point with a range finder, and use the range finder in front of LEOs in such a manner that they notice him and actually come up to him and talk to him. 3. You don't train him to walk around the building in full view of spectators for several minutes before climbing up on the roof. 4. You don't have him climb up on the roof in full view of spectators to the point that they see him and notify LEOs that he is on the roof. 5. You don't plan the shooting so that the shooter has absolutely no chance for escape. Professional assassins are not the same people who operate on a "suicide by cop" agenda.
The only explanation that seems to fit the fact to me is: 1. The shooter acted alone. What his motive was is yet to be and may never fully be learned. 2. The poor security was due to the leadership from SS on site, the ones who made the security plans and approved the security plans and implemented the security plans were incompetent. But, they didn't conspire to have Trump assassinated. If they had and this was the best plan they could come up with then they are even more incompetent than I am giving them credit for being. 3. I believe, but cannot prove, the incompetence was due at least in great part to their complacency. They just didn't take the probability of danger seriously. Note: I'm not talking about every agent who was there. I'm talking about the leadership who planned and approved the security measures.
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Orange Phenom [15091]
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Your post leans more toward a conspiracy than not.***
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Jul 18, 2024, 3:00 PM
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Clemson Icon [25716]
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I'm missing something. How?
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Jul 18, 2024, 3:13 PM
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What conspiratorial group would select that kid to be the trigger man?
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Dynasty Maker [3336]
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and remember we're talking about this kid
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Jul 18, 2024, 3:15 PM
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Ultimate Tiger [35366]
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Re: and remember we're talking about this kid
Jul 18, 2024, 5:57 PM
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Autistic virgins, the CIA’s master assassins.
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Orange Phenom [15091]
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Have you ever seen the movie Arlington Road?
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Jul 18, 2024, 4:41 PM
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1. Also, the incompetence was put on Trump’s detail intentionally. His usual team was replaced just weeks ago with the keystone cops.
2. They were told about the shooter and ignored it (on purpose?)
3. The commander didn’t allow the sniper to shoot until after trump was shot.
I don’t think the SS team was in on it except maybe the leader. But they were incompetent by design. Who replaced them? Why not give the sniper the command immediately? I really think there is a handful of people that expected DJT to be dead right now.
Everything that has been done to this man without any accountability has emboldened them. And by “them”, I mean an elite class of former bureaucrats that have decided that they know what’s best for America.
Remember when Clapper and Strzok talked about an “insurance” policy in 2016 and crossfire hurricane came about? This is the insurance policy for 2024. I’m sure they were hoping that Trump would get shot at maralago for “resisting”, but he wasn’t there when they busted in.
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You're pretty stupid if you think this was orchestrated by our government***
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Jul 18, 2024, 5:17 PM
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Orange Phenom [15091]
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Yea, theyve never done anything like that.***
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Jul 18, 2024, 5:19 PM
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Tiger Titan [45011]
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Except they've succeeded quite remarkably when they have
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Jul 18, 2024, 5:23 PM
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They don't enlist 20-year-old gamers who can't shoot to get the job done. This is coming from the same lot of you that thinks Hillary got away with all these murders and our government pulled off 9/11. Really? You think THIS is how they're going to do it?
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Orange Phenom [15091]
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Thats exactly who would be hired***
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Jul 18, 2024, 6:26 PM
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Experts are hired for out of country hits. JFC.
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Exactly. Just like the Whitmer hoax. This is the FBI MO***
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Jul 18, 2024, 11:29 PM
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Leave your usual shout-it-down stunt in the closet, OK?
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Jul 18, 2024, 6:35 PM
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Knock it off with your ‘I know what happened, so anyone with a different reasonably possible scenario - shut up’ routine.
You don’t know anything. All you have are theories based on the available preliminary information.
It’s as if any account that challenges the simplistic ‘line shooter acted alone’ theory that the SS and FBI promulgated as early as Sunday somehow threatens the political landscape which is so important to you.
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Tiger Titan [45011]
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I know I dont. And you dont either.
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Jul 18, 2024, 8:02 PM
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But you idiots who immediately think everything is a conspiracy because you need comfort in the world of course go right to believing this was one. It makes far more sense it was a disturbed kid who wanted fame, but you clowns think anything bad that happens to Dear Fat Orange Leader is a grand plot against him.
You will never be accused of being an intelligent man, RTD.
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Re: I know I dont. And you dont either.
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Jul 18, 2024, 8:17 PM
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As long as you ignore SS chief Kimberley Cheatle’s blatant lies, and as long as you swallow tha FBI’s absurd early statement that ‘we can’t figure out how to un-encrypt a 20 year old’s cell phone’ e.g., the FBI’s ‘drag it out until we get our story together’ info report, then you can draw your final conclusion that the shooter was a nut who acted al8ne.
Par for the Catahoula course, expert conclusions which are identical to a Democrat controlled government (including the bureaucracy) are easily drawn as long as information that brings into question the Catahoula conclusion is ignored.
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Tiger Titan [45011]
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Wow, what a sleuth you are
Jul 19, 2024, 1:29 AM
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How did you decipher that this was an intricate Deep State plot instead of thinking this was some security #### ups and some video gamer kid who doesn’t know how to shoot?
Your assumption makes way more sense!
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Orange Phenom [15091]
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I think everything is because of conditioning.
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Jul 18, 2024, 9:15 PM
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They are going to jail trump, they’ve tried bankrupting him, spying on him, raiding his home, impeaching 3 times, jailing everyone he knows, removing him from ballots, lying, lying, lying. So, how big of a stretch do you think it is to make an attempt on his life to “save democracy”?
You are actually more of an outlier if you believe this is random. The govt can fk up a ham sandwich; but they can’t fk up this bad, all at once and not cause me to question them.
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Tiger Titan [45011]
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"Everything that confuses me is a conspiracy."***
Jul 19, 2024, 1:30 AM
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It's the natural progression.
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Jul 18, 2024, 7:45 PM
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Anger, to nihilism, to cuckoo cuckoo.
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CIA works hard to identify misfits and cultivate them
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Jul 18, 2024, 7:09 PM
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It’s no secret that the FBI and CIA searches social media to identify kids (also adults) who appear to be unhappy social misfits. They cultivate friendly relationships with these misfits via chats, fake pics, etc.
FBI and CIA don’t just seek single target misfits. They look for as many candidates that they can find, see if they can develop enough of a friendship / kinship with each candidate misfit and then attempt to influence them.
This ‘grooming’ technique is like that of how a sexual predators identify targets that might be successfully groomed to become his ‘sex friend.’
This is how the FBI finds and cultivates human assets in ‘groups’ that they believe are dangerous. Troll around on social media sites for responsive people, cull out those who shy away from the escalation dialogue, and intensify the influencing activity until one or more people within the 'dangerous group' start revealing the activities and action plans being organized from within the group. ideally, the groomed asset works to introduce the FBI / CIA asset as a vetted new eager person to be brought into thebgroup.
(?). What does that have to do with Mr. Crooks the shooter? The FBI / CIA identification of groomable targets includes seeking out not only characteristics, but also skills among the target groomee. Chat about hunting. What guns do you own? Oh, you use a range finder - how does that work. Dang, you plan your deer shot to account for wind speed & direction? Stuff like that.
(*). Professional assassins probably have an inkling that, after the shooting (whether successful or not) is a matter that can never be told. At a big public event, the shooter will either be captured or killed. Ideology is not the objective of a professional assassin. Money is.
(*). Although less than ideal to use a skilled amateur instead of a professional, it is reasonable that a skilled amateur is the best that the FBI / CIA could get for the job. They killed him, immediately swept young Mr. Crooks home for all computers, and seized his phone. Magically, the world’s greatest law enforcement agency could not figure out how to un-encrypt his phone for a few days.
(***). I am not saying that this is a government orchestrated conspiracy to assassinate Trump. I am saying that these ‘the matter is proven; it was a lone shooter acting on his own’ narrative is very premature.
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You have no idea what you are talking about.
Jul 18, 2024, 7:54 PM
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You have 0.0 knowledge of how the CIA works.
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Haha he probably actually believes the nonsense
Jul 18, 2024, 9:03 PM
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he’s spewing.
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They're still investigating the other phone from his house with 27 contacts of
Jul 19, 2024, 1:23 AM
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which 3 are encrypted and were being run through foreign servers and will have to be investigated by FBI Liaison Office...
He doesn't sound as 'innocent' as first portrayed.
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Re: Reasons I don't believe the assassination attempt was a conspiracy...
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It’s wild to think they didn’t take it seriously when SS director Cheatle admitted they had beefed up security measures because of Iran threatening to assassinate Trump. Also the shooter had no I.D. on him. Not saying it’s a conspiracy but there are serious questions that have yet to be answered.
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Re: Reasons I don't believe the assassination attempt was a conspiracy...
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Jul 18, 2024, 4:33 PM
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It's kind of weird that you wouldn't take the danger seriously at a Trump rally. It would be really odd if the US SS was like 'it's all good, there's no one that wants to take Trump out.'
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I agree, it is weird.
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Jul 18, 2024, 6:53 PM
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But, I think it is due to complacency. I have no idea who was in charge of setting up, approving, and implementing the security plan. I don't know if those people are not qualified to do the job or not. I don't know how well trained and vetted they were to do the job for which they were hired.
I'm not ruling out incompetency. I just think that the base underlying problem was complacency. For anyone to approve a security plan that would allow the shooter to get onto the roof and fire the shot with little to no opposition is the type of thing that if a TV show were being presented a ###### someone would say, "We can't do this. No one would believe we were this stupid."
I just can't believe that any coordinated effort to assassinate Trump would have a plan that should have been so easily stopped.
Incompetency due to complacency. Right now, that is the only thing that makes sense to me.
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Re: I agree, it is weird.
Jul 18, 2024, 7:10 PM
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Your is a reasonable hypothesis for the background to the event.
It’s far too early to draw conclusions, however.
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I agree. I am not saying I am certain my hypothesis is correct.
Jul 18, 2024, 11:26 PM
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If facts and evidence come out to give doubt to my conclusion, then I am certainly open to change it.
But, right now, I can't believe this was some sort of coordinated attack, unless the brains behind the operation were Barney Fife, Moe, Larry and Curly.
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Re: I agree, it is weird.
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I don't think there was any sort of coordinated effort but what a bunch of scrubs for allowing an untrained 20 year old climb on top of a building and take a shot at the former President. There obviously needs to be a thorough investigation to figure out the failures, but I'm thinking a good portion of those people should be told to hit the road.
I think you also have to take a good look at the people who hired those agents.
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Re: I agree, it is weird.
Jul 18, 2024, 8:07 PM
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Your hypothesis is very reasonable.
As with all of the theories out there, clarification should happen if the SS and FBI cooperates instead of obfuscates.
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Agreed.
Jul 18, 2024, 11:28 PM
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The people who devised and approved the plan should be gone. The people who trained the people who devised the plan should probably be gone as well.
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Re: Reasons I don't believe the assassination attempt was a conspiracy...
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If it was a conspiracy, they would know killing him publicly like that would stir the Trumpie nutjobs into a frenzy for civil war. And they wouldn't hire this random kid as you said. They would have made it look like he died naturally.
These are the same clowns who think Hillary got away with 70-something murders, yet now they think they're trotting this little guy out for a public kill.
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which is about to happen with Biden and his COVID
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He refuses to step down, so you intentionally infect him and then will be able to have him peacefully die in your "care" and nobody has to be the bad guy.
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Re: which is about to happen with Biden and his COVID
Jul 18, 2024, 8:34 PM
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It’s being reported that Biden has agreed to drop out of the race and it will be announced this weekend. Also being reported Biden will not be endorsing Harris.
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Mass protests by Trumpees is an ideal outcome for Democrats
Jul 18, 2024, 7:22 PM
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Stirring the Trumpees into a frenzy is part of the objective.
Protests in the streets are easy to infiltrate with undercover government ‘human assets’ for inciting violence by being the first to commit that violence.
Violent mobs marching throughout the country offers the perfect excuse to implement the equivalent of Marshall Law.
Like a different flavor of the COVID crisis, remote voting could be the only allowable way for the election to be held.
In October 2020, leftist luminary Jane Fonda was recorded as having said:
“And I just think that COVID is God's gift to the Left. [Laughs]. That's a terrible thing to say. I mean I think it was a very difficult thing to send down to us, but it has ripped the Band-aid off who he [Trump] is and what he stands for, and what is being done to average people and working people in this country. We can see it now. People who couldn't see it before, they see it now. And we have a chance to harness that anger and make a difference. So I just, I feel so blessed to be alive right now.”
Jane may be deranged, but she isn’t stupid. Honest people recognize that ballotbdrop box voting is highly advantageous for electing Democrats. It is now established that drop box ballot fraud in Fulton County, FL in 2020 hsd led to 100,000 more votes than registered voters. This single act in Fulton County, GA led to GA ‘voting in’ Biden, Osoff, and Warnock.
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Re: Reasons I don't believe the assassination attempt was a conspiracy...
Jul 18, 2024, 9:28 PM
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Second comment.
In your world, a complex conspiratorial assassination, in which the party that carried ot the assassination, conducts the investigation of itself, and then announces that the investigation had concluded two days later … conclusion being ‘nothing to see here.’
The type of person who would support such a conclusion:
(1). Not yet attentive to preliminary details of the crime that conflict with the government’s self-serving account of the event. (2) Propagandist with special partisan interest in maintaining a positive perception about the incumbent political leadership (as long as the incumbent party is the propagandist’s preferred party). (3) Blissfully unaware people who don’t know of the agencies’ egregious recent conspiratorial crimes which are reporting the events and conclusions that absolve those same agencies of any intentional wrongdoing. This category of person was (properly) raised to implicitly trust the agencies whose recent behaviors have violated that trust. Accordingly, they are too uncomfortable challenging their lifelong beliefs to consider reasons to doubt those long held beliefs.
Other than the propagandist with partisan political motives, I don’t have any quarrel with (1) and (3). As this thread reveals, those who are willing to engage in real dialogue are NOT in category (3); they are genuinely interested in going where the (new and old) evidence takes them as they seek the true conclusion.
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Re: Reasons I don't believe the assassination attempt was a conspiracy...
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Conspiracy theorists are going to conspiracy. If it was Biden, they’d be making up conspiracies that it was a false flag to drum up support. Some people just can’t accept things as they are.
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Like abortion is a state issue***
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What? Dude get a grip.
Jul 18, 2024, 9:17 PM
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Some people just cant accept things as they are.***
Jul 18, 2024, 9:32 PM
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2--5 seemed to work out great for this kid***
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Re: Reasons I don't believe the assassination attempt was a conspiracy...
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Jul 18, 2024, 7:38 PM
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the so called mistakes were too basic
inside job
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